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This doesn't sound good...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3493958.stm

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The Zimbabwean government says the camps are job training centres, but those who have escaped say they are part of a brutal plan to keep Mugabe in power.

Former recruits to the camps have spoken to the BBC's Panorama programme about a horrific training programme that breaks young teenagers down before encouraging them to commit atrocities.
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trapper said:
This doesn't sound good...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3493958.stm

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The Zimbabwean government says the camps are job training centres, but those who have escaped say they are part of a brutal plan to keep Mugabe in power.

Former recruits to the camps have spoken to the BBC's Panorama programme about a horrific training programme that breaks young teenagers down before encouraging them to commit atrocities.


Watched that Doco last night, what can i say, its africa innit.... Neutral
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Thats a pretty fucked up thing to say.

When is someone going to stand up and say this will no longer be tolerated. Its sickening to see what the black piece of monkey shit calling himself Mugabe has done to that country. Bet if there was oil wels and maybe a few gold mines in Zimbabwe the USA would have jumped in ages ago to "save the people". But no ... there is nothing for them to gain so they just stick to taking down the middle eastern countries and stealing all their resources.

Music
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LETS INVADE THEM!!
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*Re-Action* said:
Thats a pretty fucked up thing to say.

When is someone going to stand up and say this will no longer be tolerated. Its sickening to see what the black piece of monkey shit calling himself Mugabe has done to that country. Bet if there was oil wels and maybe a few gold mines in Zimbabwe the USA would have jumped in ages ago to "save the people". But no ... there is nothing for them to gain so they just stick to taking down the middle eastern countries and stealing all their resources.

Music


There used to be a lot of white arse holes in South Africa that did the same kind of thing.
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styln said:
*Re-Action* said:
Thats a pretty fucked up thing to say.

When is someone going to stand up and say this will no longer be tolerated. Its sickening to see what the black piece of monkey shit calling himself Mugabe has done to that country. Bet if there was oil wels and maybe a few gold mines in Zimbabwe the USA would have jumped in ages ago to "save the people". But no ... there is nothing for them to gain so they just stick to taking down the middle eastern countries and stealing all their resources.

Music


There used to be a lot of white arse holes in South Africa that did the same kind of thing.


Agree, but this is a hole differant ball game from what happend in SA. Mugabe has not just given his men the word to kill of any white person and take their land, but also anyone that stands against him and not supporting his cause. Thats never happend in SA. This is to much to get into but someone has got to do something.
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*Re-Action* said:
Agree, but this is a hole differant ball game from what happend in SA. Mugabe has not just given his men the word to kill of any white person and take their land, but also anyone that stands against him and not supporting his cause. Thats never happend in SA.

Tell that to Steve Biko (oh hold on, you can't; he's dead).
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phil a said:
*Re-Action* said:
Agree, but this is a hole differant ball game from what happend in SA. Mugabe has not just given his men the word to kill of any white person and take their land, but also anyone that stands against him and not supporting his cause. Thats never happend in SA.

Tell that to Steve Biko (oh hold on, you can't; he's dead).


Biko was a terrorist. He was killed while being interegated by police I believe, while they were trying to find out more about what he had planned. (Yes its very short story) His party killed 1000's of white innocent people. Their was really no cause behind him, it all started of because he was to dumb as a student to pass anything, and thought that he was being discrimated against because they didn't want to lower the pass standards at Uni.

Music
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*Re-Action* said:
phil a said:
*Re-Action* said:
Agree, but this is a hole differant ball game from what happend in SA. Mugabe has not just given his men the word to kill of any white person and take their land, but also anyone that stands against him and not supporting his cause. Thats never happend in SA.

Tell that to Steve Biko (oh hold on, you can't; he's dead).


Biko was a terrorist. He was killed while being interegated by police I believe, while they were trying to find out more about what he had planned. (Yes its very short story) His party killed 1000's of white innocent people. Their was really no cause behind him, it all started of because he was to dumb as a student to pass anything, and thought that he was being discrimated against because they didn't want to lower the pass standards at Uni.

Music


It doesn't surprise me that you believe the propaganda of a former apartheid government and their messages of hate.
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*Re-Action* said:
Thats a pretty fucked up thing to say.

When is someone going to stand up and say this will no longer be tolerated. Its sickening to see what the black piece of monkey shit calling himself Mugabe has done to that country. Bet if there was oil wels and maybe a few gold mines in Zimbabwe the USA would have jumped in ages ago to "save the people". But no ... there is nothing for them to gain so they just stick to taking down the middle eastern countries and stealing all their resources.

Music


Comments like that black piece of monkey shit make you come across as a real racist. A lof of old habits die hard in Sth Africa eh?
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Which part is proaganda? that he killed innocents? or that he failed school?
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Bob said:
Which part is proaganda? that he killed innocents? or that he failed school?

Bob and Re-Action, I'm unsure whether your comments are serious or taking the piss, but I hope it's the latter.

If not, then I object strongly to the term terrorist being labeled on Steve Biko. The guy was a pacifist for a start, and killed by a facist police force.
http://africanhistory.about.com/library/biographies/blbio-stevebiko.htm
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Bob said:
Which part is proaganda? that he killed innocents? or that he failed school?


That he was a terrorist.
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phil a said:
If not, then I object strongly to the term terrorist being labeled on Steve Biko. The guy was a pacifist for a start, and killed by a facist police force.
http://africanhistory.about.com/library/biographies/blbio-stevebiko.htm[/quote]

Why didnt you say that for a start rather than just saying its propaganda?
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phil a said:
Bob said:
Which part is proaganda? that he killed innocents? or that he failed school?

Bob and Re-Action, I'm unsure whether your comments are serious or taking the piss, but I hope it's the latter.

If not, then I object strongly to the term terrorist being labeled on Steve Biko. The guy was a pacifist for a start, and killed by a facist police force.
http://africanhistory.about.com/library/biographies/blbio-stevebiko.htm[/quote]

Pacifist? Are you serious, or do you just don't know what the word means dude? The person that started a group called SASO(go look it up I can't remember what it stands for), the group that single handedly burned down half of Potchefstroom University claiming that the tests were to hard for their people and the teachers wasn't black enough to teach them? Don't believe everything you read on the interweb, there is alot on that man that you don't know. The BCP another group that he started, they were surpose to be there to help uplift communities, show them the way of the future and help rebuild. However everytime they did a march because the goverment didnt supply this or that people got killed, houses, shops and just about anything in sight was destroyed. Pacifist?

Music
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styln said:
*Re-Action* said:
phil a said:
*Re-Action* said:
Agree, but this is a hole differant ball game from what happend in SA. Mugabe has not just given his men the word to kill of any white person and take their land, but also anyone that stands against him and not supporting his cause. Thats never happend in SA.

Tell that to Steve Biko (oh hold on, you can't; he's dead).


Biko was a terrorist. He was killed while being interegated by police I believe, while they were trying to find out more about what he had planned. (Yes its very short story) His party killed 1000's of white innocent people. Their was really no cause behind him, it all started of because he was to dumb as a student to pass anything, and thought that he was being discrimated against because they didn't want to lower the pass standards at Uni.

Music


It doesn't surprise me that you believe the propaganda of a former apartheid government and their messages of hate.


Who said I believe in it? I just don't believe everything the media and some internet site tells me. I had a black history teacher my last two years of school, the things he told about black leaders, how they went abouts getting an uprise from the black communities was shocking. Steve Biko being one of these leaders. His a terrorist and died an appropriate way.

As for hate, I don't hate and Im not a racist. My comment about Mugabe was just that a comment. If he was pink, orange, white, ginger I would have thought of something else to say to insult the fucker.
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It's a bit scary that you think Biko died an appropriate way. No one deserves to die the way he did. As for you the way you insulted Mugabe it cam across to me as being racist and a good excuse to make a racist comment given who it is and how much despised he is.

I've heard people referred to as black pieces of shit before and it was always in a racist context. Why even mention his skin colour if it wasn't a racist attack?
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Does it really matter, or are you just trying to pick a fight. If you want to talk racism I can go on and on and on all day long. Just say the words ...

And yes, it might be scary what I think of Biko and how he died, but thinking of how he went about getting his way. The people that suffered because of him. The amount of people that still suffer from things that he started back then ... An eye for an eye !!

Music
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I didn't think mention of his race was necessary and any way are you trying to tell me you are the only non-racist Sth African out there? Sth Africans are about as racist as you can get.
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Bob said:
phil a said:
If not, then I object strongly to the term terrorist being labeled on Steve Biko. The guy was a pacifist for a start, and killed by a facist police force.
http://africanhistory.about.com/library/biographies/blbio-stevebiko.htm[/quote]

Why didnt you say that for a start rather than just saying its propaganda?

Me confused Confused Don't recall saying it was propaganda...


Re-Action, I have no idea about the accuracy of your comments re: Steve Biko, but one thing that springs to my mind is a parallel to how the Japanese education system taught (teach) their children about WW2, and perhaps how the SA education system taught you during (after) apartheid.

Also please remember the viciousness of the SA apartheid governments and police. Two sides to every story as they say...
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Yeah phila the government is responsible for institutionalised racism.
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Theres a program on tv one from the bbc about the camps. Mugabies plan is to use them to vote and oppress the opposition through fear and violence.

Its fucking increadible really.

Hes trying to get every person from 12 - 18 through these camps. Its something like the hitler or north korean indocrination.
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*Re-Action* said:
Thats a pretty fucked up thing to say.

When is someone going to stand up and say this will no longer be tolerated. Its sickening to see what the black piece of monkey shit calling himself Mugabe has done to that country. Bet if there was oil wels and maybe a few gold mines in Zimbabwe the USA would have jumped in ages ago to "save the people". But no ... there is nothing for them to gain so they just stick to taking down the middle eastern countries and stealing all their resources.

Music


I can tell you when thats going to happen.....


Never..!