Yay! ..Goodbye Labour LOL

Boo hoo

LOL ...well, I for one will not be missing Auntie Helen and her big band of lefty misfits.

What an indepth political analysis.

You do realise the Nazis were rightists, right?

And the Soviets who stopped them, lost 20 million of their own in order to save civilisation, and smashed them back to Berlin were a "big band of lefty misfits."

Tell you what - when a right wing government wins a war, call me. Right wing = weak

after killing 20 million of their own and before killing many more

^ Oh my God you're right, the Nats are obviously going to start a holocaust!


Absolutely took the bait didn't you -- my earlier comments were deliberately provocative -- funny thing is you probably love Obama who is actually to the right of Key.

BTW, Josef Stalin and Mao Tse-tung were responsible for a few deaths too.

actually, vads hates obama

you forgot the part where the soviets killed around 35 million of their own people...oh i see that point has been covered.

That was a really smooth troll man, did you come up with that all by yourself?

LOL, yeah, as a matter of fact I did

Seriously though, I'm sick of all the scare tactics Labour and the Greens used against John Key. I'm not expecting miracles from Key but come on, Labour leaves office with the country in a pretty shitty state. Oh I know their supporters will conveniently blame the Global economic crisis but to do that is to ignore the fact New Zealand has already been in recession for a year.

timj: do you actually watch or even understand international markets? Here's 2 of about 2,000 questions I could ask you to get you thinking about it:

1. Explain the effect the sale of assets to foreign owners had on New Zealand during the last National term. Make specific reference to the relationship it creates between our economy and those of Australia, Japan and the United States. What effect does that have on our resilience to a global recession?

2. Name the first month New Zealand was in a recession and the size of it.

Why oh why do we give voice to fucken idiots

DEMOCRACY, FUCK YEAH!!!

Which New Zealand assets precisly?



I can't remember the exact month we were officially declared in recession but the economy has been in trouble for well over a year.

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New Zealand Enters Recession With Q2 GDP At Minus-0.2%


(RTTNews) - New Zealand officially slipped into a technical recession in the second quarter of 2008.

Statistics NZ reported Friday that the nation's Gross Domestic Produce shrank 0.2 percent in the three month period to June. It followed a contraction of 0.3 percent in the first quarter, meeting the widely held definition of a recession as two consecutive quarters of negative GDP.

The last time New Zealand experienced two straight quarters of declining economic activity was for the three-quarter period through March 1998.

The Q2 contraction was smaller than the 0.5 percent reduction most economists expected.

For the full year to June, GDP rose 2.6 percent.

Statistics NZ said activity in service industries decreased 0.4 percent while activity in goods-producing industries was down 0.2 percent.

Household consumption expenditure fell 0.3 percent for the quarter following a decline of 0.4 percent in the preceding quarter.

why confine it to National when Labour started the ball rolling well and truly in the 80's

Heh you mean the guy who was responsible for destroying the labour party until 1999 ? The same guy that's back in Parliament with a party in power ? Roger ?

this country is a helluva lot better off thanks to roger who took it by the scruff of the neck and kicked it into shape let me tell you

that it was done in too much haste is in my opinion due to

1 the urgency of the prescription given the dire state of the patient

2 the exigencies of a 3 year parliamentary term - 4 is preferable

3 an unfortunate under-valuing of some state assets but this is all very well in hindsight

4 the failure to unbundle telecom when it was privatised

Its easy to be the bearer of good news - ie hard to fuck up when the economy is doing well.

Sometimes you have to make hard decisions. Deregulation and reducing union power was a good, though unpopular way to get efficiency and competitive companies/industries. Just look to the US automotive industry to see the effects of over unionisation (or unions on a power trip).

While unions have been a pain in the arse in the US Automotive industry, GM hasnt lost US$78bn in the last year because of its staff...

Care to define right / left then? I'd wager many people call them leftists...

Huh? Maybe you and some other mates on teh internet.

Oh! Is it because they were the National Socialist German Workers Party (NASDP = shortened to Nazi)???????


Then I imagine you think the DPRK is a fully functioning Westminster Democracy?

I don't know anybody who would call them left. They were staunchly anti-communist

*sidetrack*


I've always wondered why communist countries insist on calling their country a "democratic" something a rather. eg the DDR, the DPRK etc.

Is it because it legitimises their right to govern? That they were chosen by the people? Genuine curious about that one, I was wondering about it the other day in fact...

/sidetrack.

it's because the state is meant to be controlled by the workers. It theory, it's meant to be a democracy...

Nobody doubts Labour started it.
Nobody doubts Labour made mistakes.

But the Labour Party of 1987 is not the Labour Party of 2008.

Understand?

Or can we start blaming the Nats for breaking the waterfront strike?

Well, the Nazis were more left wing economically than Labour, fishy.

Nationalisation of industry, destruction of profiteering, state-run holiday parks etc. Healthcare was free and all that.

So they weren't nearly as bad as Rogernomes.

one of Helen Clark's major achievements was to steer Labour back to a centre-left position. getting traditional labour party supporters to trust the party again after the free-market reforms of the 1980s was no mean feat.

So a party can have both left-wing economic views and right-wing social views, so does social trump economic for the purposes of labeling the Nazi's as right wing?

NR didn't you say that the country was screwed pre-Douglas, and then say that Labour started it? Or am I mistaken?

Out of interest, for those genuinely saying "Yay, Labour's gone", what is going to be better over the next three terms? In real, legislated-for outcomes?
Genuinely, am interested in what people see as the improvement.

it was certainly screwed pre Douglas and Muldoon was prevailed upon to devalue the dollar by 20% against his wishes before handing over power after losing the election

Douglas inherited a mess and then embarked on an ambitious programme of selling state assets and other economic reforms that out-stripped Thatcherism and Reagonomics - and these were not repealed by Clark and co because they worked.

Only trouble was it was all conducted at breakneck speed and some balls were fumbled having not been that well thought through i.e the sale of Telecom

Grumpy lefties. Im not even going to gloat as I can't be bothered listening to the reality denial type rebuttals.

Didnt the Nazis help kick the shit out of the communists in the Spanish Civil war? Saving the Catholics and thereby paving the way for the Vaitican to owe them a debt of gratitude hence the rumours they helped Nazi officers escape Europe after the WW2?
Or was that book I read on Opus Dei all propaganda?

Cheers Neil.

I always thought it was because they were just taking the piss

This is the monumentally stupid TINA argument, still only put forward by monumentally stupid people.

It was was never a case of "There Is No Alternative" in 1984. The Australians dealt with similar problems without allowing a bunch of ideological cowboys to asset strip the country. What happened in 1984 was an organised ambush by a group of fundamentalists who used classic Bolshevik to infiltrate and subvert a major political party in order to impose an agenda they knew the electorate would not accept if honestly put to the vote.

ACT still peddles the tired economic vandalism of Rogernomics, and even with the tide going out on Labour they can only manage 3.7% of the popular vote.

TINA is associated with Ruthless Richardson not Rogernomics

Again just how much of her reforms (or his) did Labour in 99-08 repeal?

How the fuck are you supposed to repeal it? You dont go "Ok we're changing the law back, can we have our shares back please?'

well they bought back the railways (at a huge advantage to toll I might add) didn't they?

but that's not what I meant

however now that you bring it up why didn't they re-nationalise the assets sold if they were so paid up members of the internationale solidariat?