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The US Justice Department said that Kim Dotcom, formerly known as Kim Schmitz, and three others were arrested in Auckland, New Zealand at the request of US officials. It added that three other defendants were still at large.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16642369

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204616504577171060611948408.html

whose bitch are we?
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copyright infringement is not an extraditeable offence according to the NZ-US treaty

http://newzealand.usembassy.gov/uploads/images/o16y8MOyHW2l-jJTxaMpeQ/ExtraditionUSNZ.pdf

hattip NRT
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Just to clarify -- these weren't NZ nationals were they?
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Dotcom, a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand, and a dual citizen of Finland and Germany

Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Megaupload-founder-arrested-in-Auckland-site-shut-down/tabid/412/articleID/240007/Default.aspx#ixzz1jwJoy5On
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Pretty sure we have had an extradition treaty with America for a looooong time. As they have with us, which is why they deported that chinese murderer back here a few years back.



So what's your point again?
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pdf poster earlier apparently excludes copyright infringement from extradition treaty...
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Although after skimming through the doc:

Extradition shall be granted, in accordance with the provisions of this Agreement, in respect of the following offenses:

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14. Larceny.
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16. Obtaining property, money or valuable securities by false pretenses or by conspiracy to defraud the
public or any person by deceit or falsehood or other fraudulent [*3] means, whether such deceit or falsehood
or any fraudulent means would or would not amount to a false pretense.


....


Extradition shall also be granted for any offense of which one of the above listed offenses is the substantial element,
when, for purposes of granting jurisdiction to the United States Government, transporting or transportation is also
an element of the specific offense.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________


I'm sure copyright infringement is a form of theft (according to the law)
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extradition treaties are not universal -ie they only cover certain crimes...

saying that I may have been wrong with the NRT tweet about copyeright infringement - piracy is covered by the existing treaty... allegedly... one for the legal types to sort (ie potential conplex issue)

the people have been charged with The charges include conspiracy to commit racketeering and criminal copyright infringement

and yet these charges have nothing to do with the ongong law suits filed by universal against megaupload and their counter claims over the above posted song... tis going to be messy

my point its not our problem.... and we shouldn't make it so
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update rom the twitterverse

people can be extradited from NZ to US for ANY offence that in both countries carries a penalty of at least 12 months' imprisonment
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Wouldn't we be making it our problem if we *didn't* follow due process..?
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are we following it though, refer to last line

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The federal authorities on Thursday announced that they had charged seven people connected to the Web site Megaupload, including its founder, with running an international criminal enterprise centered on copyright infringement on the Internet.

According to a grand jury indictment, Megaupload — one of the most popular “locker” services on the Internet, which lets users anonymously transfer large files — generated $175 million in income for its operators through subscription fees and advertising, while causing $500 million in damages to copyright holders.

Four of the seven people, including the site’s founder Kim Dotcom, born Kim Schmitz, have been arrested in New Zealand, the Justice Department and Federal Bureau of Investigation said on Thursday; the three others remain at large. The seven — who a grand jury indictment calls part of a “Mega Conspiracy” — have been charged with five counts of copyright infringement and conspiracy, the authorities said.

The charges, which the government agencies said represented “among the largest criminal copyright cases ever brought by the United States,” come at a charged time, a day after online protests against a pair of antipiracy bills being considered by Congress — the Stop Online Piracy Act, or SOPA, in the House, and the Protect I.P. Act, or PIPA, in the Senate.

The indictment was handed down by a grand jury in Virginia two weeks ago, but was unsealed on Thursday, and stems from a federal investigation that began two years ago.

The Megaupload case touches on many of the most controversial aspects of the antipiracy debate. Megaupload and similar locker sites, like Rapidshare and Mediafire, are often promoted as being convenient ways to legitimately transfer large files — a recent promotional video had major stars like Will.i.am of the Black Eyed Peas singing Megaupload’s praises. But they have become notorious among media companies, who seem them as abetting copyright infringement on a large scale by giving people easy, but unauthorized, access to movies, music and other media.

Megaupload is currently engaged in a lawsuit with Universal over the promotional video and Universal’s efforts to have it removed from YouTube.

As part of the crackdown on Megaupload, 20 search warrants were executed in nine countries, including the United States. About $50 million in assets were also seized, as well as a number of servers and 18 domain names, the authorities said.

Ira P. Rothken, a lawyer for Megaupload, said in a phone interview on Thursday afternoon that he had not yet seen the indictment, but he added: “Clearly we have due process concerns. This was done without a hearing.”
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wtf... so the govt takes a ton of cash from the guy so he can get residency and then denies him buying the house he wants..? Neutral
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Aha. Murky indeed...
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Arguably, the kind of copyright infringement Megaupload facilitates on a wide scale (for money) IS something that should be punished. Certainly, they aren't squeaky clean, and they have a history of poking the sleepy media industry bear with a stick (bob d's video), and well that just hasn't worked out for them now has it.

I also don't think it's worth moaning about the local arrests - international law enforcement co-operate all the time, and extradition hearings will come later, and will be legally sound. It would be stupid for our police to refuse to assist in a lawful arrest, otherwise next time we want a hand from the Feds, they might not be so forthcoming. And generally, when we ask them for help, it's something we REALLY want help with, i.e. Baby Pumpkins Dad that dalai mentioned.
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Also interesting that this case has moved forward quite happily without NZ's S92, US's PROTECT-IP or anything like that, just good old fashioned regular copyright law.
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U homeboys betta make sho u stop piratin sheet now huh?
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So how did this guy make so much money??
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From Megaupload, by charging for premium subscriptions to the site. Also onsite advertising, and thru a myriad of other businesses he has fingers in.

However he got his start with a computer security company he founded in 1994, and he sold it at the height of the dotcom bubble.
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By selling a product that there was high demand for at the price he charged I assume.
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bob daktari said:
copyright infringement is not an extraditeable offence according to the NZ-US treaty

http://newzealand.usembassy.gov/uploads/images/o16y8MOyHW2l-jJTxaMpeQ/ExtraditionUSNZ.pdf

hattip NRT


everyone knows the Extradition Treaty is just a totally non-binding meaningless piece of paper, because international law isn't *really* law

just ask vads Razz

seriously though, back in the real world, this case will of course HAVE to be determined with reference to the wording of the treaty

I expect the definitions of the specified extraditable crimes in that treaty to come under the legal microscope

I also expect our Courts will bend over backwards to give a "wide" interpretation that is favourable to extradition/the US interests

a number of arguments need to be tested and Dotcom et al would be foolish not to fight this extradition for as long as possible (I have no doubt that they will)

what New Zealander, or any person for that matter, would want their destiny determined by a jury in Virginia?

fuck that for a joke! Neutral
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HIs lawyer is very confident of defending the charges - quoted some similar case i can't remember the one

Obviously a lawyer would be telling the truth about this sort of thing Razz
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nah not that one - one that was won not lost, can't remember the one Confused
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bob daktari said:
this one probably:

http://news.yahoo.com/uk-student-faces-u-extradition-copyright-case-145154829.html[/quote]



I expect that one to be tied up with appeals for a while

especially given that as a UK citizen he has access to the ECHR
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There's a key point in all of this that we missed in our earlier analysis about paid accounts at Megaupload. In the indictment, the government seems to assume that paid accounts are clearly all about illegal infringing works. But that's not always the case. In fact, plenty of big name artists -- especially in the hip hop world -- use the paid accounts to make themselves money. This is how they release tracks. You sign up for a paid account from services like Megaupload, which pay you if you get a ton of downloads. For big name artists, that's easy: of course you get a ton of downloads. So it's a great business model for artists: they get paid and their fans get music for free. Everyone wins. Oh... except for the old gatekeeper labels.

In fact, this is part of the ecosystem, especially in the hip hop world. It's why the artists also support those hip hop blogs that the RIAA insists are dens of pure thievery. The artists release their tracks to those blogs, knowing they'll get tons of downloads -- and actually get money. If they do deals with labels, they know they'll never see a dime. Putting music on Megaupload is a way to get paid. Working with a gatekeeper is not.

And yet... Megaupload is the criminal operation?


http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120120/15060817494/busta-rhymes-backs-megaupload-says-record-labels-are-real-criminals.shtml

meanwhile all the other file lockers are shutting down the ability to share and many are blocking all users from the USA

grab some popcorn this is agoing to be a very long movie
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The whole thing our end reeks of brown nosing Washington.

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yep - hence the choice of thread title

always a proud day to see the world notice little ol NZ in such a positive way - let this be a lesson to anyone promoting the knowledge economy...
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The Heralds reporting on this is interesting to say the least, its like theyr are trying to slag him but cant really find any real dirt so theyr are trying to get us to hate him via jealousy

Not really working with me...dude seems like a bit of a legend, No1 / 15 mill @ Modern Warfare? nh sir Very Happy
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dude strikes me as a dick (who the fuck asks John Banks round for dinner)... but that doesn't condone the bullshit reporting we're seeing

trial by media, not in NZ, not ever



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ha ha

go-getters with an agenda to emigrate permanently have the mayor of Auckland round for dinner. I dont think thats a good reason to hate him, personally

loling again at the heralds reporting "he had 30 credit cards in 3 wallets!" ...before going on to admit most were expired. "Heres a picture of a girl laying on top of him who isnt his wife!" ....except it all looks pretty innocent esp with another dude just sitting there in the bgackground Laughing
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I don't hate him, just consider him to be a dick based on my readings about him - I don't think they are totally innocent either... but do defend the type of service offered

for the twits, the parody account is kinda amusing...

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Kim_Dotcom Kim Dotcom
@Not_JohnKeyPM HEY JOHN KEY WANNA TELL PEOPLE ABOUT THE 37 MILLION DOLLARS I GAVE U, U CORRUPT ASSHOLE
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Laughing
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and meh yeah....most super rich c*nts ARE dicks
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#John Key
@notdotcomm You got gazumped fella
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ROFL Kim Dotcomm photo spread

Looks like randomguy behind kylie in thailand
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Damn though that guy was blinging! His mansion WTF insane!... As much as I despise all that downloading shit etc because I saw it affect the industry I worked in first hand..and my own personal life and job I am not overly excited about it all.. but seriously he knew how to party and live it up.. so new money but looked fun while it lasted…
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Fuck that shitty industry. They've been given EVERYTHING and refuse to do anything with it. They can go fuck themselves.

http://radar.oreilly.com/2012/01/the-presidents-challenge.html
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Not that I support Mega* at all, as I said, widescale piracy was a pretty big part of their business.
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we gave you the Internet. We gave you the Web. We gave you MP3 and MP4. We gave you e-commerce, micropayments, PayPal, Netflix, iTunes, Amazon, the iPad, the iPhone, the laptop, 3G, wifi--hell, you can even get online while you're on an AIRPLANE. What the hell more do you want from us?

Take the truck, the boat, the helicopter, that we've sent you. Don't wait for the time machine, because we're never going to invent something that returns you to 1965 when copying was hard and you could treat the customer's convenience with contempt.


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How and Why did those guys end up in NZ.. just taking advantage??

I haven't followed the story just read a couple of small articles today..... .. seems so odd.
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dunno why... but looking around at today I can think of many reasons why NZ is an attractive to a person with means (and them with a whole lot less)

there is nothing here to enable them businesswise - as this extradition attempt attests
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The Maestro said:

Not really working with me...dude seems like a bit of a legend, No1 / 15 mill @ Modern Warfare? nh sir Very Happy


Really? This guy?
http://gizmodo.com/5877987/the-best-worst-photos-of-megaupload-kim-dotcom

Granted he may have done some cool stuff that hasn't been/he didn't want to be documented but on this evidence he seems to be living the dream lifestyle of a 14 yo computer nerd.
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dont get your point Confused
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I think he's saying the guy looks and seems to act like a prize dick

I know I'd be not dissimilar if I had stupid money to spend... but I'd not allow such terrible photos of myself and my hired boobs to be published - ie act less dickish
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Struggling to understand what else one does when one is rich as fucking shit, other than live out ones childhood dreams.

I mean, if I was making $40m a year, there's no telling what I'd do. Super yachts, super cars and super sluts barely scratches the surface.
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The Maestro said:
dont get your point Confused


I guess my point is for a dude w/ millionaire money his life seems like a teenage nerds version of a millionaire lifestyle which I don't think is particularly legendary..
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How exactly? Apart from being a gamer that is?

Edit: Basically what do you see him doing differently from most other rich jerks, apart from the fact he has more embarrassing photos of his escapades?
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bob daktari said:
I think he's saying the guy looks and seems to act like a prize dick

I know I'd be not dissimilar if I had stupid money to spend... but I'd not allow such terrible photos of myself and my hired boobs to be published - ie act less dickish


Yeah this I guess.

I like to at least think I'd be more of a philanthropist. More of a Bruce Wayne type of deal.
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Who's to say he's not a philanthropist? Just because there's no photos of him doing it?
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And lets review: Bruce Wayne lived a whole other secret life where he played dress-ups and had a whole cave full of awesome toys.
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He IS a a philanthropist...gave like 2 mill to ChCh and Starship

and yeah...so hes havinga lol with his money, so what god for him he earnt it... and dismissing him as a spotty young nerd is almost definetly doing the guys business savvy and work ethic a huge disservice. You dont get that much money by being some sort of jammy layabout gaming stoner (trust me on that one)
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kris_b said:
apart from the fact he has more embarrassing photos of his escapades?


^ this ^

one can spend a fuckton of money on all the things he has (allegedly) and look like you belong not look like you don't - he's borderline JK three way handshake territory

for the record there is nothing wrong with gaming, (some) gaming rocks

saying all that I'm now guilty of judging this chap based on his looks and might as well subscribe to the NZ herald if thats the sum total of my intelligence - apologies to all
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The Maestro said:
He IS a a philanthropist...gave like 2 mill to ChCh and Starship


were they not part of his residency bid?

He might have a heart of gold... but then he'd not have defraudfed all them stock holders with his insider trading is so eh

*still judging... losing my way here... I am shallow*
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Fair points (and I knew you'd mention the nerdy batman alter ego as soon as I posted about Bruce Wayne Kris Razz )

I guess what strikes me as immature/nerdish is his apparent need in his photos to draw attention to his yachts/girls in bikinis.
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bob daktari said:

saying all that I'm now guilty of judging this chap based on his looks and might as well subscribe to the NZ herald if thats the sum total of my intelligence - apologies to all


+1.. But if he looked like Bruce Wayne yet was still doing the same poses/stuff in his photos I would still think he was a dick.
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Needs to build a Death Star, its where he went wrong really.
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bob...pretty sure it wasnt, just had to buy 10 mill in govt bonds
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or at least get an old man to build him a fuck off train set in one of the mansions many garages

*stuff o dreams*
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The Maestro said:
bob...pretty sure it wasnt, just had to buy 10 mill in govt bonds


from my readings he did the govt bonds and the donations as part of his bid - not 100% sure, we'd have to ask John Banks what advice he gave him (another indicator the guys a dick - dinner with banks.... I'd rather eat shit off the road)
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still struggling to understand the hate over the photos Confused Throw big pool party, bitches turn up in bikinis...take party pics...seems pretty fine/standard
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file under jealousy if you'd like - its not hate per se, its the dickish manner (from my perspective)

cool is hosting a fuckoff pool party having carl craig DJ and inviting your friends not a bunch of whores

*god I've really outed myself as a prize cunt today*
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oh ok....ya that might be right. Bsnks involvemtn is intersting. Especially how hes trying to distance himself. ie the reports are he went their for dinner but "barely spoke to him" ..seems odd
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I’m not going to look at the photos but I’m sure it’s probably standard stuff.. and he think he’s some P Diddy guy with his cash ..lol. …. Did he give any to charity? He does seem a bit of a dick but he could be cool.. and someone that smart who can get that far manipulating systems to his advantage would be interesting to have a convo with.. meh I don’t know so probably shouldn’t’ be posting .... ??
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I think the fact that he's a prize bellend isn't in question at all.

But these photos are a stupid thing to focus on - at this time, there's no room for the media to publish the probably hundreds of photos that no doubt exist of him polished up in a nice suit at a nice event, or in the middle of a business meeting. All that you're seeing is a selection of party images, specifically selected for the particular article and the particular angle the author has.

Lets say it was me in that position. Which photo do you think the media would prefer to run with if it wanted to portray me in a similar light?

This one, where I'm smart and responsible:


Or this one, where I'm BIG PIMPIN:


I mean come on, think about it!
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none of us know QT, your views and opinions are as valid as anyones

he has donated to charity, the motivations could be under question if he did so just to gain favour in his residency bid (needs some RobW immigration rants about now) - though giving money away is no testiment to strength of character or good nature

back on topic, from public address:

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The reality is MU is being treated differently from many other organisations. Banks with illegal property in deposit boxes, U-Tube, Amazon, Share traders, Lawyers … and many others all have situations where some users of their services are using the service for illegal activity. In those cases the illegal activity is addressed directly by police and courts without shutting down the legal activity.

That the owners of MU have engaged in illegal activity themselves is a different issue but again does not of necessity demand that MU get shut down including all the legal activity that it hosts. Again nobody expects a bank or law office to be closed because a clerk acted illegally, some funds may be frozen for a short period but the presumption is that most activity is legal, as it should be.


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kris_b said:
Lets say it was me in that position. Which photo do you think the media would prefer to run with if it wanted to portray me in a similar light?


more like the pic from the photoshop thread

herald headline: he's rich and wants your children - the inside scoop on biggie's KrisB
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oh I do like this nz example: (from PA)

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MU are low hanging fruit. Sleazy name, sleazy people (yachts, mansions (lairs?), guns, previous convictions).

It’s like Switched On Gardener getting busted whilst “mainstream” agricultural suppliers can sell exactly the same things without consequences.
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QTRARO said:
How and Why did those guys end up in NZ.. just taking advantage?


At a guess I'd say he was looking for a safe haven in a European style country at a time when a megamansion was being marketed internationally by Sothebys.com or whoever.

Perhaps the triads were being too trying on him n HK.
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His photos just make his look like a good natured clown rather than an evil bastard
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But you can’t judge someone solely on photos.. I mean if people judged me on my photos they’d think wow what a drunken minger.. oh wait?

.. There needs to be a movie on the whole thing .. that would be something worth watching.. Who would make a good dotcom?? Hrmmmm.
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I would pirate that movie.

























No I wouldn't. But no. Just no. It would be terrible, much like every other COMPUTER movie.
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Lazydog said:
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/8956/ironyd.jpg


Holy shit that's awesome. Wonder if anything will happen there....you DO NOT fuck with Walt's Intellectual Property. He will FUCK YOU UP.
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such a good looking car.
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QTRARO said:
But you can’t judge someone solely on photos.. I mean if people judged me on my photos they’d think wow what a drunken minger.. oh wait?

.. There needs to be a movie on the whole thing .. that would be something worth watching.. Who would make a good dotcom?? Hrmmmm.

try this
from 6 years ago
Kimble goes Monaco
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1243368869700997385

another relevant link from Dotcom himself
http://torrentfreak.com/from-rogue-to-vogue-megaupload-and-kim-dotcom-111218/
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kris_b said:
Lazydog said:
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/8956/ironyd.jpg


Holy shit that's awesome. Wonder if anything will happen there....you DO NOT fuck with Walt's Intellectual Property. He will FUCK YOU UP.


That is all kinds of awesome Very Happy

Love it might send it to my old colleagues too they'll love it might even frame it in their office.
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peat said:
another relevant link from Dotcom himself
http://torrentfreak.com/from-rogue-to-vogue-megaupload-and-kim-dotcom-111218/[/quote]

Nice plug for Gin there. Maybe she'll be the winner from this. Smile Very Happy
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"Dear Neighborhood-watch

As you all know I recently moved into the Neighborhood and I am a former hacker. Well I was just hacking into a local mail server and guess what I found.

First of all let me assure you that having a criminal Neighbor like me comes with benefits.

1. Our newly opened local money laundering facility can help you with your tax fraud optimization.

2. Our network of international insiders can provide you with valuable stock tips.

3. My close personal relations with other (far worse) criminals can help you whenever you have to deal with a nasty Neighbor.

In all seriousness: My wife, two kids and myself love New Zealand and "We come in peace". 15 years ago I was a hacker and 10 years ago I was convicted for insider trading. Hardly the kind of crimes you need to start a witch hunt for. Since then I have been a good boy, my criminal records have been cleared, and I created a successful Internet company that employs 100+ people. All the media has to report are old news. Why? Because I have chosen to avoid the media. Just look what the media did to this Neighborhood. Scary.

Now you can make a choice:

1: Call Interpol, the CIA, and the Queen of England and try to get me on the next plane out of New Zealand.

2: Sit back, relax and give me a chance to do good for New Zealand and possibly the Neighborhood.

If you feel like it come over for coffee sometimes. And don't forget to bring the cocaine (joke).

All the best,
Kim

P.S. I did not park my Rolls Royce at the Zoo. I don't even like Zoo's. Too many small minded monkeys there."

Laughing
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Today according to the herald we are supposed to hate on Dotcom cos ...he has an inflatable tank

.......


I want an inflatable tank Sad



Music
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Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom has been denied bail. The NBR has the full decision (in four parts) here. Reading through it, it basically came down to perceived flight risk: the US talked this up, the police told the judge horror stories of people absconding, and how they could abscond if they set their mind to it, and the latter especially seems to have been decisive. Troublingly, that evidence was heard in closed court, and the affidavit returned to the prosecutor to prevent it from being accessed from the court file, so the core evidence here is effectively secret. While able to be contested by the defence, we are not allowed to view it and decide whether it stacks up (and hence whether the judge's decision was correct, or whether he was misled). Also troublingly, all conditions (including 24 hour curfew, electronic monitoring, and a ban on using or communicating by computer, internet, or even telephone - basically an electronic death sentence) were refused. So much for the BORA requirement that those charged

"shall be released on reasonable terms and conditions unless there is just cause for continued detention."

So, we're going to lock a guy in jail for a month or two, in the process undermining his defence in a serious criminal case, on the basis of secret evidence which may be no more than a police fantasy. Which is beginning to sound like Ahmed Zaoui territory again.

There is ample grounds for appeal here, and I expect Dotcom will take it.


http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2012/01/dotcom-bail-decision.html

yep this sort of thing would never happen in good ol freedom loving and transparent NZ....

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The Maestro said:


I want an inflatable tank Sad


A real one would be way more cool. Tiger mk 1.
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real deviants have inflatable horses

giddy up
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The only people this saga makes me hate are normal straight people. Which isn't unusual, just confirmation really.
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who in this saga is normal or straight

my greatest fear is normal people
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What appears to be the majority of NZ public. Those that actually like to be grouped in that way. Every day people who believe they stand up for what is right and good but they tend to enjoy revelling in nasty shit about other people. The civilised who aren't really at all. Those that have their sense of right and wrong handed to them and they just accept it. Oh and stay away from drugs. Unless it's alcohol.
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I wish you hadn't asked me that really...
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you've nailed my fear factor... and you're welcome
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bob daktari said:
copyright infringement is not an extraditeable offence according to the NZ-US treaty

http://newzealand.usembassy.gov/uploads/images/o16y8MOyHW2l-jJTxaMpeQ/ExtraditionUSNZ.pdf

hattip NRT


Thinking about that treaty again..... (Article 2 to be precise).

I don't think the US can use [14] or [16]. Or put another way, I would be disappointed in the NZ courts if they founded extradition on either of these.

The best argument for extradition would be under [19]. Not a perfect fit though.

I can't see any other options.
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gummi_bear said:



I'm sure copyright infringement is a form of theft (according to the law)


It's not.

Central to the concept of theft, is depriving the owner permanently of the thing in question; or dealing with it in such a way that it cannot be returned to the owner in the same condition.

Neither of these apply to copyright infringement.

In short, making a copy of something is NOT the same thing as stealing something.
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interesting article in the NBR today - an IP lawyer expresses the view that the treaty trumps the statute, and that the treaty provides no basis at all for extradition for mere copyright infringement, nor for racketeering (which btw is not a specified offence).

money laundering is a possibility, but not straightforward, and by no means a definite "win" for the US.
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they'd have to prove their was a copywrite infringement prior to any racketeering charge would they not?

As in you can't charge someone for racketeering if the activities were legal?

Interesting Media 7 on this last night - in short the legal dude said the extradition proceedings could take years - similar case in the UK has been going for 7 years

I assume its the NZ taxpayer picking up the bill?

Edit: is that the NBR article stuck behind a paywall? NBR ya throwbacks
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justhanging said:
interesting article in the NBR today - an IP lawyer expresses the view that the treaty trumps the statute, and that the treaty provides no basis at all for extradition for mere copyright infringement, nor for racketeering (which btw is not a specified offence).

money laundering is a possibility, but not straightforward, and by no means a definite "win" for the US.


Doesn't the "12 months prison or more" clause count though?



And yeah bob, one assumes the racketeering charge falls down if the IP infringement stuff does.
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and the money laundering one too

some lawyers going to get a few pool houses out of all this
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kris_b said:

Doesn't the "12 months prison or more" clause count though?


Why can I not see such a clause?
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and yet more reading... and prior court cases that possibly set a precedent for Dotcoms defence (viacom vs youtube and google)

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/292088/20120202/kim-dotcom-megavideo-megaupload-indictment-youtube.htm

again whose paying for the costs here - us or the yankees?
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PhunkyDave said:
kris_b said:

Doesn't the "12 months prison or more" clause count though?


Why can I not see such a clause?


See it where?