Whats so great about Technics 1200?

This should fire up abit of personal preference! So what about it? They cost more than most other decks, yet have the least functionality. I personally use Numark TT-100's and when comparing them to my friends 1200's, find mine to be of superior quality. So what that 1200's are in most clubs. Sure they had there time of greatness, but so did the Ford Model T. What are other thoughts on this?

i'm not even gonna bother writing a lenghty reply for fear of offending all those Numark TT-100 owners out there. Good god jay - what the fuck?

what have your friends been doing to their 12's?!? chucking them off cliffs or something? (mind you, even if they had, the 12's would still probly kick ass - they're nearly bombproof.)

ez.

ps: when you say functionality - what exactly do you mean.

if you mean "the most features" ie: 3 speeds, platter reverse, +/- 20% pitch etc like your TT-pooHundreds feature, then I personally feel you are sadly mistaken as to what TRUE functionality is to a DJ.

There is a good reason that 1200's have only had one update in 20 years and they are still the industry standard for DJ turntables. IT KICKS ASS.

/rant ~

Im not saying that the Numarks are the be-all or end-all of decks, but put out the same quality of performance as 1200's. Fear enough comment though, qroniq! (i certainly wasnt expecting many "what the hell - jays right!" replies!!)

OI, moderators! Can you please look at reinstating the edit feature!

I wanted to apologise for being so sarcastic in my last two posts. I'm sure the Numark's have their positive points.

SORRY

Ive seen apicture somewhere of th technics
dude standing on his 1200 spinning
around...now I'm not recommending you do this
but try that on your numark....
;D

turntables are turntables are turntables......
personal preference is a big thing here. technics are awesome, but then so are stantons, so are vestax..... i think the main reason 1200's are prolific in clubs is their reliability. why change a winning thing? but in all honesty... if you can dj, wut does it matter what turntables your usin???

=)

At the end of the day, i think your right amp.lified. We are all doing what we love to do, which is to play our favourite tunes to others. Im sure if i could have afforded it, i to would have bought Technics, but im happy with my decision on the Numarks. They certainly dont have the rep that Technics do, but so far they have done me proud.

STAND FORTH ALL YE NUMARK OWNERS - DONT BE AFRAID!!!

I think people have got to face the fact that 1200's are old technology, reliable for sure, but improvements can be made. I use Vestax and after using both I can honestly say that I feel they are better turntables, whether they will stand the test of time remains to be seen, but functionality and performance wise they kick arse.

I got Vestax PDX-2000 and I wouldn't swap em. They have feedback supression and a nice as kickass motor.

I've only played on Numark belt drives, but I like my Numark Mixer.. so I'll stand forth for that.

Keep an eye on the Denon 151 digitals.. You need a dennon mixer, but you can pitch lock em, and then speed em up and slow em down.

What vestax Blair??

PDX-d3s, getting on a bit actually but I've had no problems thus far.

'The ones with da numbers' hahaha,

P.S. Qronic.. I'm waiting for you to define 'True Functionality'??

Vestax are shit in my opinion.

I won't say I don't worry about becoming a bit reliant on those numbers, they really help when riding those beats..

suck my balls.

Ack.. don't take any notice Blair.. I didn't buy my tables to impress anyone but myself..

And for gods sakes man... cover those numbers up!!!

Jay - If you were talking about the Pro TT-2's and not the TT-100's (which have next to no torque) then I might be inclined to agree with you.....

Phunky - I reckon true functionality is defined by the following: accurate pitch/speed lock (ie the speed doesnt wander), awesome tracking (which admittedly the technics could do with a little work on - but if calibrated properly should be sweet as), bombproof build (try chucking your vestax/numark off a first floor balcony and see if it still works!), good torque (ie the platter spins up to full speed as soon as you let it go - vestax pdx2000 is great for this and the tech isnt too far behind!), feedback rejection, simplicity/layout (my only gripe with the 12 is the power switch location! i had the zero click removed on my techs to solve that problem too...)

below is what i posted in response to someones question on another board. the question was "what should I look for when buying second hand decks". I reckon the same should apply for new decks too.

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Most important, make sure the quartz is still timing ok.
You can check this visually by watching where the strobe hits the platter.
Set the pitch control to 0 or activate the 0 pitch button if the decks have one. Watch the ring of big dots... they should be stationary. If they are creeping one way or the other, either the pitch slider is wearing out OR the quartz timing is bung (both are repairable I believe). Also check that the rotation speed is constant - ie it isnt speeding up and slowing down.. hard to pick, but again, watch the dots!

Secondly, check out the state of the platter itself. Does it have any "play" in it when you wiggle it on opposite sides? This is irrepairable and affects the consistency of speed at which the platter rotates due to the electromagnetic construction of the motor.

Third, check the play in the tonearm mechanism, particularly the play in the base ie: height adjustment mech. Check that it doesnt move easily if the base is locked off. Check that the anti-skate is still working fine by watching the tonearm move more to the right as you turn it up - you might need to adjust the counter weight in order to get the tonearm to "float" for you to check this.

Fouth, check the start and stop speed. It should be about 1 second at the most. This can be adjusted to suit your style.

Fifth, check the general appearance of the decks. Is the paint scratched? Are the leads in good condition? Is the earthing lead on it's last legs? Is the pitch slider all caked up with dust??

Uhm.. I think I've covered most of it there - but if you have any questions about something I haven't mentioned, feel free to ask, email me - whatever.

Good luck finding good second hand technics for less than $800 - If looked after properly they hold their value really well.

If you need your technics modified, calibrated/adjusted, or repaired I suggest you contact Brad @ In the Mix (021 500014).
He serviced my decks - came and picked them up, asked what needed doing, had a quick chat about shit, and dropped them back to me the next day!! Quick turnaround, nice guy, good pricing - what more can I say. Shit, I might as well ask him to pay me for the free advertising I give him! ~

ez.

One thing i for got to mention...

DO THEY SOUND GOOD?

Put nice new styli on them and plug em into the phono in of a nice hi-fi amp with some top notch speakers. Sound good? Sweet as. Sound shit? Nuff said.

Also, do they _feel_ good to back cue, etc?


Out of curiosity.. how do most people have their brake clibrated on their 12s? Fast, Slow, or bounce back?

Oh and is anyone looking for single road cases for 12s? I want to get as many peeps together as I can and get a bulk rate on some. email me on qroniq@voyager.co.nz if you are keen.

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having only used technics 1200's i don't really have anything to compare with. BUT i hear they r reliable as fuck & when u can get them on HP at Hill & Stewart for $1200 dollars each new. then who can really complain about the price issue.
the fact that all the clubs use them is a fucken HUGE bonus. but if u r good at DJing then decks shoudn't make too much of a difference. it'll just take a few mixes to get sorted on the pitch then u'll be sweet. but as i said before i don't exactly have the 1st hand experience to confirm that!

Ive gotta say gothe 1200's as well. As well as being the most beautifull piece of musical equipment money can buy they sure kick ass, theyll still be there spinnin like new in another 30 years time will your newmarks or vestax last?mmmmmm

I learnt to play on Vestax PDX-d3's but at my first
gig at the box i was plonked on Technics and
found them more fun due to being able to treat
them rough compared to the finesse that the
Vestax decks require.

As for Blairs comment - "I think people have got
to face the fact that 1200's are old technology,
reliable for sure, but improvements can be
made." Can you back that up with a
suggestion?

Sure - ive found my Vestax to be more reliable (5
years later and i havent had a problem) but its a
feel thing as well - the same reason that
guitarists still use Les Pauls and Fender
Stratocasters - the design was sound the first
time around.

I just buzz out that in this ever changing world,
we are still using a technology that is 70+ years
old.

This is from a Turntablists point of view...
Iv'e had my 1200's for over 11 years and they still work like new. Ive been skratch'n, mixing and thrashing them for hours each day and they are still the shit. Iv'e even done a Gig in Jumangi territory where we had to travel by 4 wheel drive farm bikes over the roughest farmland ya can imagine with the 1200's bouncing around in the trailor. No problem to the trusty Technics. If ya tried that with any other brand they would have snapped in half.....No Shit!!!
Ive also used the Vestax PDX 2000's, They are a better Turntable for Turntablism because of the anti skip tone arm factor, and if they were invented before the 1200, they would have been the Industry Standard. Although you can achieve an anti skip tone arm on any deck by moving the cartridge on a 23 degree angle. But because of years of use on the trusty and reliable 1200's it's hard to switch to another.
11 years of thrashing is good proof why Technics 1200 are mine and most peoples top choice.

I think Scratchmadd answered all the necessary questions.

TEchnics SL1200s - accept no imitations!

Technics 1200's=The BEST! They are so solid and reliable.

"Although you can achieve an anti skip tone arm on any deck by moving the cartridge on a 23 degree angle"

So this will stop my mates crappy Gemini belt-drivez from skipping when I try to scratch?

Those Numark's are cack. They're sensitive as hell, and they are notorious for motor trouble. They're like a Lada. Don't buy Stanton or Numark decks - Stanton are good for needles and Numark for mixers. But both make shitty decks. And for that matter, Stanton mixers are poo as well. My opinion.

Try and scratch on a belt drive?

Heh Heh Heh

I didn't mean to sound negative, but I'm quite responsive to how certain mixers, rotaries, faders etc feel

(I prefer Vestax for most anything)

(But in this day and age, most are good at the high end and quite similar)

(It's like Benz Vs. BMW)

Personal opinion
1200s all the way
Been using them since i began

Have tried others but nothing gives a smooth trouble free ride like a 12

qroniq, Do you mind me asking how much "In the Mix" charged? Mine are way overdue for a servicing and I have no idea of what is a good price.

hmmm...

& yet everytime I have spec'd out a DJ from any
genre I have always sourced Technics SL
1210's... no other specification for turntables
has ever been acceptable! (Actually the 1210's
over the 1200's is my own little spec').

ghetto - brad was doin a special:

*strip the pitch fader of the annoying zero click
*internally ground the fucker - no more pesky grounding leads!
*put phat leads and RCA plugs on it
*calibrate the tonearm, brake etc to your specs
*make it run like a jem again

all that set me back less than $200 incl - ask him if he'll still do you a special - and it's likely if you live in town he'll pick it up and drop it off for ya.

xmas pressie for ya decks eh?!

Tech. 1200's were designed by NASA. Need I
say more?

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE JUST CAUSE SAMPLE GEE IS SPONSORED BY VESTAX AND HE HAS TO SAY GOOD SHIT DOESNT MEAN THOSE WOODEN PIECES OF BOLLIX ARE ANY GOOD. here some pints:
1. 1200 BEEN AROUND FOR 25 YEARS WITH MINIMAL CHANGES.

2. THE ONLY DECK THAT COMES WITH A 5-YEAR WARRANTY

3. THE ONLY DECK THAT WILL HOLD SOME FORM OF RESALE VALUE.

4. INSTALLED IN 98% OF CLUBS GLOBALLY

5. USED IN THE VESTAX SPONSORED ITF DJ COMP

6. HAS THE BEST MOTOR OF ALL DJ TURNTABLES

7. RELIABLE, RARELY NEED REPAIR

8. Numark tt100 are entry level turntables and are not professional units

9. if u need bells and whistles like reverse, ultrapitch, variable winddown and stop fucntions to be a good dj then you were probably shit in the first place


nuff said


dave

Couldn't have put it better myself

My Pg3 Impression..

OH FOR FUCKS SAKES WHAT A LOAD OF CHEEZY BOLLIX, JUST CAUSE DMC GET BETTER PROFIT MARGINS ON TECHNICS. YOUR ALL CHEEZY FUCKERZ.. BO.

... another p3 impersonation:

FER FUCKS SAKE _ I USE MY FUCKIN" GRAN
MAMA"S 3 IN 1 PHILLIPS MUTHA FUCKA &
STILL MAKE YAH BOLLIX ROCK ~~~~

"Fuck shit arse wank!!!" - just trying to blend in

anyway, Pioneer CDJ1000 - vinyl, the end is nigh!

haha, you'll nevah kill vinyl!

Nice Dave

My Pg3 Impression..

OH FOR FUCKS SAKES WHAT A LOAD OF CHEEZY BOLLIX, JUST CAUSE DMC GET BETTER PROFIT MARGINS ON TECHNICS. YOUR ALL CHEEZY FUCKERZ.. BO.


haha nice one and ferksta the end is nigh for vinyl and dex u fucked in tha head bo! nuttin said bout da selekta bein a teknolikal digital freqz innit!!

(make sense?)

bo muthafuckabitchcuntarsefacebollix

fuck numarks pussyarse pieces of shit.

technics are the shit.

nuff said.