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What events over the next few months are you planning on heading to?

Both nightlife and other events... quite a few coming up that are worth while!

Smile
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KRAFTY KUTS!
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RWC
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Goldie! as many Fu/Zen gigs as possible before they close them.

No other gigs on my horizon though, other than choosing between Northern Bass and RnV for New Years.
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Portishead.
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Smiley said:
Portishead.

Remind me, when is this?

I'm hitting the Halloween gig with Pleasurekraft (Noize Control?). Not interested in any of the other acts so will prob catch them play then I think I'm heading into town to play myself.
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10 November apparently, tickets $77 - $85.

Tickets on sale 26th Aug apparently.
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Was going to fo RNV soundcheck but hitting Parklife instead, wil definately look at Krafty Kuts.
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Warriors' final run! :>

Mono in Oct Very Happy

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PRIVILEGE IBIZA OFFICIAL - Monday 29.08.2011
Tiësto,

Tonight, Amnesia Ibiza - Tuesday 30.08.2011
Main Room
Eric Prydz, Maya Jane Coles, Special Guest (TBA)
Terrace
Annie Mac, Erol Alkan, Fake Blood,The 2 Bears

Cream, @Amnesia - Thursday 01.09.2011
Main Room
Above & Beyond, Sander Van Doorn, Gareth Wyn
Terrace
Calvin Harris. Chris Lake, Burns, Andy Mac

Pukka Up Boat Party (San Antonio), - Friday 02.09.2011

Followed by...

Come Together Space Ibiza
From: 22:00
Discoteca
Tinie Tempah Live,
Pendulum (El Hornet DJ Set),
Nero

Red Box
Faze Action, Ian Blevins

Shapeshifter 24th September

Oktoberfest end of Sept

RHCP O2 London 7th November

Think that is about it...
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Nope forgot one..
tickets sitting on my pillow when i got home to Snoop Dogg 7th Oct
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NZSO is doing Beethoven's 9th!!
Over the top epic awesomeness, that will blow peoples heads off! This is seriously wicked, and anyone with even a mild interest in classic/chamber music will be blown away.
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I sense that I am nearing the end of my desire to party at 'events'. Not too sure how I feel about it!

Smile

gc.
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Demetri Martin, Eddie Izzard and Roger Waters next year.
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Supamaorifulla said:
Not too sure how I feel about it!


Old.
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Ha!
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Warriors games
All Blacks games

Big Boi (tonight)
Electric Wire Hustle

That's about it. Not really any musical events I'm looking forward to right now which is a shame.
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kris_b said:
Supamaorifulla said:
Not too sure how I feel about it!


Old.


I guess. I'm still an immature cunt though. And I still love to get wasted. I just don't like 'events' really, all seems a bit contrived. I don't mean this to include things like sporting events, specific concerts and especially not shows in a theatre etc. I mostly mean it to mean "events" in town.

Smile

gc.
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But you're still single SMF. Those things are boring when you're old and married, but when you're single I would assume they would still hold some appeal?
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I still go out all the time.. Every weekend in fact. I'm really social and still love to get well liquored and meet girls or whatever... I just don't enjoy the contrived, over hyped nature of events in club land in this city. They're all so samey and tiresome, regardless of genre or DJs.

Smile

gc.
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Admittedly though, you go to shit gigs.
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Uni Snow games is this Week.
I'm heading along as an official photographer (as I cant compete due to injury) - should be awesome.

Otherwise: Events + Dunedin... don't really mix haha (unless I'm completely forgetting something).
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went to Cirque de Soleil today , took the step grand daughter for her 4th birthday , enjoyed the theatrics as much if not more than the acrobatics.
Want to head to the art gallery opening as well too , to see the building of course but there are a set of moderns from America that should be worth a view.
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Just* said:
But you're still single SMF. Those things are boring when you're old and married, but when you're single I would assume they would still hold some appeal?

I'm single and those things hold absolutely no appeal to me anymore. In fact quite the opposite.

Just give me a quite corner, strong booze and good mates and I'm happy these days. Although if I think about it (and I do) I guess I've always been that way. I just don't do enough drugs to make myself believe I'm enjoying it now Smile
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Supamaorifulla said:
I still go out all the time.. Every weekend in fact. I'm really social and still love to get well liquored and meet girls or whatever... I just don't enjoy the contrived, over hyped nature of events in club land in this city. They're all so samey and tiresome, regardless of genre or DJs.


Couldn't agree more... shit events, shit club-nights, shit clubs...it really is all about the bar circuit in this city at the moment.
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That's because the 'events' in Auckland all have the same 10 DJs playing at every single one, whether it's dubstep, electo, house.. They all interchange and play whatever is popular. Those gigs are exist for people to be seen at.

If you want quality music, heading to a big event is never the way to go. Small club and bar nights are where it's at. Same thing here in Welli, I can't even remember the last time we had a house international through. It's the monthly bar nights that are killing it. WAY more fun too.
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I'm going to escape overseas for my musical fix!
Really looking forward to
Labyrinth fest next month w/
LIVE-
Atom™ & Pink Elln [Rather Interesting, Logistic: Chile, Berlin]
Voices from the Lake aka Donato Dozzy & Neel [Aquaplano, Prologue: Italy]
Kangding Ray [Raster-Noton: France]
Morphosis [Delsin, Morphine Records: Lebanon]
Tobias. [Ostgut Ton, Non Standard Productions: Berlin]
Function [Sandwell District: NYC, Berlin]

-DJ-

Peter Van Hoesen [Time To Express: Berlin]
Donato Dozzy [Aquaplano, Prologue: Italy]
Function [Sandwell District: NYC, Berlin]
Fred P aka Black Jazz Consortium [Soul People Music, Underground Quality: NYC]
Appleblim [Apple Pips, Skull Disco: UK]
Silent Servant [Sandwell District: USA]

October looking forward to brainfeeder party in Tokyo with
TOKiMONSTA, MARTYN, TEEBS, THUNDERCAT, AUSTIN PERALTA

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Nick Warren next week (so excited)
Portishead
Eddie izzard (Fuck. Yes. Do you have a flaaag?)
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Yeah I'm gonna go to Parklife over here in Melbourne too..
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PS The last "big event" I went to in Auckland was a shocker.. really bad!
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heylady said:
That's because the 'events' in Auckland all have the same 10 DJs playing at every single one, whether it's dubstep, electo, house.. They all interchange and play whatever is popular. Those gigs are exist for people to be seen at.

If you want quality music, heading to a big event is never the way to go. Small club and bar nights are where it's at. Same thing here in Welli, I can't even remember the last time we had a house international through. It's the monthly bar nights that are killing it. WAY more fun too.


I wasn't just talking about "big events" - I was talking about club-nights and night-clubs as well - Auckland isn't in a great place right now (and from what I hear neither is Wellington nor the rest of the country
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just lower ya standards and you'll be sweet
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bob daktari said:
just lower ya standards and you'll be sweet


Laughing

Sweet life mantra bro!
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not my mantra... but the scene is what it is because people accepted and aspired to the bland, the mundane and the soul-less

tis all about the small bars and good people currently as you have already stated Smile


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But I just got a cool dj haircut and I wanna show it off, where can I go if its only about good people. Good people dont care about what my hair looks like!!
I wanna be seen and talked about by other people that only want to be seen and talked about.
I have a bag of really big choooons (Radio 1 was caining them) and Ive been training my jebus pose for ages in front of the mirror....dammit!!!
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grinder said:
heylady said:
That's because the 'events' in Auckland all have the same 10 DJs playing at every single one, whether it's dubstep, electo, house.. They all interchange and play whatever is popular. Those gigs are exist for people to be seen at.

If you want quality music, heading to a big event is never the way to go. Small club and bar nights are where it's at. Same thing here in Welli, I can't even remember the last time we had a house international through. It's the monthly bar nights that are killing it. WAY more fun too.


I wasn't just talking about "big events" - I was talking about club-nights and night-clubs as well - Auckland isn't in a great place right now (and from what I hear neither is Wellington nor the rest of the country

Not sure where you're getting your info from, Welli is awesome ATM. There are an abundance of little club nights popping up all over the show and the music is top notch.

The time of big clubs has passed, people don't want packed venues and sweaty gurners anymore, the small bars are where it's at. I regularly play at Terrace Bar in Welli, it hold 100 people tops and it's awesome. The vibe is up for it, the drinks rule and I have yet to have a single bad night there.

A lot of Aucklands club nights are, I find, the same as the big events, it's still the same 10 DJs playing the same re-hashed music. What do you listen to? If you want good house I can tell you that Beatstreet always kicks and there are a few gigs at Red Bar that go off, CTRL and Prefix to name a couple. The music is out there, as are the good times. But you have to go find it if you want it. Moaning on a forum isn't going to make it any better though, beb. Smile

LeKnight, you can come and Jesus pose at my gig any time you want. There is a gay bar upstairs, they will probably love you. Wink
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can I bring my new haircut?
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skanky_yankee said:
Nick Warren next week (so excited)


Hang on... What? Where?
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Be next Wednesday
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LeKnight said:
can I bring my new haircut?

Yes. If you also bring your old hair we can weave a wig for some poor receding hairlined man. Or woman. Yeesh.
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Now have Dirtyphonics live on my horizon too Very Happy
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"heylady" said:
Not sure where you're getting your info from, Welli is awesome ATM. There are an abundance of little club nights popping up all over the show and the music is top notch.


Info is from friends & DJs down there as well as my last visit where I saw that what used to be one of NZ's best clubs and certainly Welly's largest – Sandwiches – had converted half their establishment into a tacky burrito bar, and there was a DJ playing commercial, dirty electro to an empty floor in the main-room which would never have happened a few years ago. (To be fair, there's still the likes of D-Dog & co pushing quality international acts at Sammies but it must be a struggle for them from what I hear). So it was back to Cuba St, Havana and Motel to drink as we'd given up on dancing altogether after searching the city for somewhere decent…

Glad to hear otherwise from you though, and this was back at the start of the year so maybe things have improved. (Must check out Terrace Bar next time I'm there).

Christchurch nightclubbing has obviously and sadly been wiped out by the earthquake, and in Dunedin, with Bath St (another of NZ's best nightclubs by a mile) having closed down earlier this year there's just no suitable venue for an intimate clubbing experience away from the mainstream student population that have typically embraced angry, screechy dubstep/bro-step...

Auckland's not too flash at the moment either. With several mainstays of the bars/club scene heading down a slippery slope and/or closing down, eg. Rakinos, Khuja, Ginger Minx, Fu/Zen - I think it's definitely time to moan on an internet forum!

Aside from Ink, is there even one decent proper nightclub in Auckland anymore?

PSC is great on a good night…Third & Social sometimes plays good music but the crowds are juvenile and don't appreciate the music… the younguns are fickle, Cassette 9 is no longer the place to be (but still has its moments) and Be Club has had its day (though it was always pretty shit anyway)…

"heylady" said:
The time of big clubs has passed, people don't want packed venues and sweaty gurners anymore, the small bars are where it's at.


Totally – I'm just saying there isn't that many. One or two in Auckland isn't enough, there should be a dozen of them.

I guess DJ's and dance music really just aren't cool or a novelty anymore and as small cities we're susceptible due to our small population sizes.

I hear shit still goes off in Berlin…
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Bath St is closed,I did not know that - Sad
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....and biggie, which has died a death reflects this generational churn and burn.
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nah biggie reflects peoples changing online habits, especially those of the younger set

I'm sure plenty of people check out the photos
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grinder said:
Info is from friends & DJs down there as well as my last visit where I saw that what used to be one of NZ's best clubs and certainly Welly's largest – Sandwiches – had converted half their establishment into a tacky burrito bar, and there was a DJ playing commercial, dirty electro to an empty floor in the main-room which would never have happened a few years ago. (To be fair, there's still the likes of D-Dog & co pushing quality international acts at Sammies but it must be a struggle for them from what I hear). So it was back to Cuba St, Havana and Motel to drink as we'd given up on dancing altogether after searching the city for somewhere decent…

With regard to Sandwiches, you are dealing with a very small city with an even smaller scene. They did what they felt they needed to to stay afloat, unfortunately it was aimed at a young crowd which inevitably meant it became predominantly dubstep, DnB and electro. I believe things are changing there again and there is far more focus on local four-four which is awesome to see.

Again though, it's a big venue and from what I have seen lately, it's the bigger venues that are struggling. People want to head out for fun nights where they don't have to fork out loads on a cover charge. they want great drinks and a solid vibe, this is why the bars are thriving.

grinder said:
I guess DJ's and dance music really just aren't cool or a novelty anymore and as small cities we're susceptible due to our small population sizes.

I don't think this is the problem, I believe that it is more to do with what I've already talked about, the same 10 DJs everywhere. There is a distinct lack of excitement in the scene. People are bored and over the same old. If promoters would only see this and start booking different acts and DJs instead of their mates every time, I believe things would start to thrive. There also needs to be a coming together of the scene, as it were. At the moment things are very segregated. Promoters are out for themselves, there's no cohesion. In Wellington we are trying to amalgamate our scene, to bring acts, DJs and promoters together to ensure our scene grows. And it's working. This is something Auckland has never been very good at doing, but I think it's time they started.

grinder said:
I hear shit still goes off in Berlin…

Shit goes off in Berlin because it a huge city that is focused on art in all forms. It's also centralised in Europe, which is where everything happens, and most of the worlds best DJs and producers are based there for at least part of the year. It's a musical hub, much like Detroit was in the 90s.

Sadly, NZ is always light years behind Europe with what we choose to listen to. Dubstep being a good point. You would NEVER hear those awful chainsaws and horrid wobbly bass belting out of Panorama Bar or Harry Klein. But we are the antipodes, we are so far removed that we simply have no idea.

Having said all of that, I have noticed a change in Wellington. People want quality four-four. they are actively seeking it out and there is an obvious disdain for the bass-heavy dubstep and gash electro. Now all it will take is those who are passionate about it to slowly build the scene up again. It's happening in Welli, it can happen in AK too. Smile
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totally disagree on the no idea call heylady - we're new zealanders and from my experience we have awesome music tastes and historically our music retailers were the envy of touring DJs and musicians alike - we got the best of UK, Europe and the US whereas most markets have one or the other

why has the most mundane music become the dominant form in clubland - look directly at those who have dominated the bookings etc of clubs and refer to every single RobW post on how to run a club

then look at the commericalisation of george and the staid music policies of stations like BFM

people got complacent when they should have been pushing forward

people were attracted to $ and the other perks of the scene who cared less for the music than the other

we sat back and emulated Australia when once we were light years ahead of (musically)

and most importantly of all perhaps - small population, small potential returns for not so small outlays - the risk adverse don't take risks (understandable)

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Ah, but there is a difference between one persons taste and then the group collective.

People like what they deem to be cool, which is why dubstep took off. So, while we may have good taste as an individual, once people take on group formation, they tend to bow to peer pressure. Not so much amongst our age groups, but certainly 20 somethings and younger. And lets face it, they are the ones constantly going out and 'driving' the scene as it were.
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Ugh, double post. :>
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heylady said:
People like what they deem to be cool, which is why dubstep took off.


Bit more to it than that.
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there is and was some amazingly cool, fresh and out there dubstep - shame the worst of the worst seems to be the 'dominate' local sound adopted

its the young that populate bars and clubs but its the old (mainly) whom own them - ie the sheep can be wrangled

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I was talking about the crap dubstep that gets played here, not the wicked stuff that the likes of Martyn churn out. Smile
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heylady said:
I was talking about the crap dubstep that gets played here, not the wicked stuff that the likes of Martyn churn out. Smile


The crap dubstep at the gigs you've seen it played at you mean. I've been to more than a few gigs playing the quality stuff, but you're not going to find it in a big club/big gig at peak dancefloor time, because the kids wanna hear brostep.
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I had to ask a child what brostep was

I wish I hadn't
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heylady said:
I don't think this is the problem, I believe that it is more to do with what I've already talked about, the same 10 DJs everywhere. There is a distinct lack of excitement in the scene. People are bored and over the same old. If promoters would only see this and start booking different acts and DJs instead of their mates every time, I believe things would start to thrive. There also needs to be a coming together of the scene, as it were. At the moment things are very segregated. Promoters are out for themselves, there's no cohesion. In Wellington we are trying to amalgamate our scene, to bring acts, DJs and promoters together to ensure our scene grows. And it's working. This is something Auckland has never been very good at doing, but I think it's time they started.


Agree for the most part, but like Bob D I also will refer to Rob's many posts on how terribly most venues are run musically with such awful short term views. Up here I feel it stems from people dumping massive amounts of capital into a fancy fitout and struggling to service that debt, forcing people to chase the money, not build something.

Cohesion is the great pipe dream in the sky. Fact is though, Auckland is way too big and way too diverse to do it properly. Behind the scenes most promoters are fine with each other, apart from a few obvious and vocal exceptions, which make it seem a lot worse than it actually is. And in reality, there's not a lot of need for it - we have the population to support more than one thing going on at once - why should a bunch of 20 year old guys putting on a brostep gig work in concert with some 30 somethings putting on a 4-4 gig? Doesn't make sense.


heylady said:
Sadly, NZ is always light years behind Europe with what we choose to listen to. Dubstep being a good point. You would NEVER hear those awful chainsaws and horrid wobbly bass belting out of Panorama Bar or Harry Klein. But we are the antipodes, we are so far removed that we simply have no idea.


Fuck. This. Shit. I'm sick to DEATH of hearing how we're "so behind Europe" or "they do this" or "don't do that in Europe". We're NOT Europe and never will be. Minimal techno is huge in Berlin? Good for them. In Auckland you have a few hundred tops interested. Panorama doesn't play brostep? Cool. There's thousands of other places in Europe you WILL hear that stuff. Hell, where do you think most of that sound COMES FROM in the first place? We have plenty of talent locally both behind the decks and behind Logic in the studio, we do what we do. I'd be sorely disappointed if we just started slavishly sucking eurotrash cock for inspiration.

Is the scene fucked up here? Yes it is. Does that mean it's all doom and gloom with nothing good going on? Fuck no. Sure, the vast bulk of gigs are shit, that's why I don't fucking go to them, voting with my dollars. But there's plenty good to be found.
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You are taking my comment about cohesion the wrong way. I'm not talking about dnb working with house or whatever, I'm talking about the various souls involved in each sector getting together to make things work properly. Pulling groups together for parties rather than each group doing their own thing separately with their own mates and batting the whole time.

As for our local talent, where on earth did you get that I don't think that exists? I run a gig in Welli that is based solely on our fantastic local talent, I have done this on and off for years. Our scene can't exist without or locals propping it weekend in and out. Internationals should be a treat, not a given.

Are we behind Europe? Of course we fucking are. We are at the other end of the world, what was huge there months ago filters through here months later. This isn't a slate on our culture, it's merely the way that it is. Of course dubstep was big there, but the problem is it has morphed into the appalling sound that gets bashed out here. That isn't what's big is Europe, it never was. Broste maybe is a better name.

Rather than getting your rage on with me, do something about it. I am. i'm trying my best to make things happen in Welli and yes I agree there is masses of good to be found, not just with the sound that I like either. However, don't be fooled into thinking we invent our own ideals about what's hot, it all comes from another source and with house that is Berlin. Why on earth is that a bad thing? I think it's great. the music that is coming out of there is amazing. It's forward thinking, it's pushing boundaries, it's inventing new sound. That's something I aspire to be doing and playing, I would hardly call that "sucking Eurotrash cock."

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Hey!


Thats MY fish!


Mad


Music
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Slow your roll a bit love, I'm playing the ball not the man Razz

heylady said:
You are taking my comment about cohesion the wrong way. I'm not talking about dnb working with house or whatever, I'm talking about the various souls involved in each sector getting together to make things work properly. Pulling groups together for parties rather than each group doing their own thing separately with their own mates and batting the whole time.


And I think it happens, with the good gigs anyway. The others....fuck em, I don't care. On top of that, you've still got the fact that people are going to want to do their own thing anyway.

heylady said:
As for our local talent, where on earth did you get that I don't think that exists? I run a gig in Welli that is based solely on our fantastic local talent, I have done this on and off for years. Our scene can't exist without or locals propping it weekend in and out. Internationals should be a treat, not a given.

Are we behind Europe? Of course we fucking are. We are at the other end of the world, what was huge there months ago filters through here months later. This isn't a slate on our culture, it's merely the way that it is. Of course dubstep was big there, but the problem is it has morphed into the appalling sound that gets bashed out here. That isn't what's big is Europe, it never was. Broste maybe is a better name.


Bollocks shit takes ages to filter through. It's not like we're waiting for promos to arrive on a slowboat any more, fools be downloading that shit the minute it hits. And I totally disagree that brostep isn't huge over there, because the fact is it is. Heads hate it there too, but that doesn't make it any less popular in the clubs with the kids.

heylady said:
Rather than getting your rage on with me, do something about it. I am. i'm trying my best to make things happen in Welli and yes I agree there is masses of good to be found, not just with the sound that I like either. However, don't be fooled into thinking we invent our own ideals about what's hot, it all comes from another source and with house that is Berlin. Why on earth is that a bad thing? I think it's great. the music that is coming out of there is amazing. It's forward thinking, it's pushing boundaries, it's inventing new sound. That's something I aspire to be doing and playing, I would hardly call that "sucking Eurotrash cock."


As I said, I'm just sick to death of hearing about how "Europe" rolls. Your music influence currently is the Berlin sound, and that's cool. I just don't think we should look to Europe as this amazing utopia of awesome.

I am doing something about it: I vote with my feet on what gigs I support, and directly support my mates doing good things and pushing the scene I like, as you know. And occasionally, I play sets of the sounds I like.
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bob daktari said:
I had to ask a child what brostep was

I wish I hadn't


ffs, me too, and I'm not best impressed Crying or Very sad
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heylady said:
Are we behind Europe? Of course we fucking are. We are at the other end of the world, what was huge there months ago filters through here months later. This isn't a slate on our culture, it's merely the way that it is. Of course dubstep was big there, but the problem is it has morphed into the appalling sound that gets bashed out here. That isn't what's big is Europe, it never was. Broste maybe is a better name.

kris_b said:
Bollocks shit takes ages to filter through. It's not like we're waiting for promos to arrive on a slowboat any more, fools be downloading that shit the minute it hits. And I totally disagree that brostep isn't huge over there, because the fact is it is. Heads hate it there too, but that doesn't make it any less popular in the clubs with the kids.


Brostep is definitely most popular in the US, and then UK..to be fair its not as much a European thing.

DJs here aren't thaaat behind the best overseas DJs these days, though it's a bit different over there when you can see the big names week-in, week-out all over town, on the same bills...whereas we only get our education once a month if that.
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What's this about Khuja and Rakinos - they are closing?!
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heylady said:
Sadly, NZ is always light years behind Europe with what we choose to listen to. Dubstep being a good point. You would NEVER hear those awful chainsaws and horrid wobbly bass belting out of Panorama Bar or Harry Klein. But we are the antipodes, we are so far removed that we simply have no idea.


Berghain/panorama has the sub:stance parties - one of the more influential dubstep parties around.. The next one has adrian sherwood scuba, martyn, untold and kuedo, their lineups are always huge... Probably not much of the brostep stuff there, but I'd agree with Kris, that stuff can be found everywhere, Berlin included. there's loads of bad or just boring techno and house in berlin too.

I don't see much point in handwringing over the dance scene in nz, there must have been 00s of threads here about it over the years. There'll still be parties as long as there's money to be made or people passionate about music.
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I think we just have much different tastes to places like London as well, NZ likes bass heavy stuff like dnb and dubstep. I was surprised to see how popular electro was when I got to London as it was very much on the way out here when I left, it really changed my view of us being months or years behind Europe. Dnb was very underground when I was there - that's no to say they parties weren't huge but with the population difference they're always going to be bigger there... Over here dnb has been massive for years - maybe more so in Wellie rather than Auckland - the most packed gigs I went to in Wellie were all dnb and I don't confess to knowing enough about the Auckland dnb scene to say the same.

Techno was the sound of Shoreditch/Hoxton Square when I first arrived and the following summer it was the sound of Ibiza, yet it's never made much of an impression here.
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^ Techno used to be huge, in Wellington at least, it died off when the funky house movement took off and never recovered. It's too much of an introverted music for the part-time party people, you have to have a room for of real appreciators for it to go down well when some people (read MOST) are just out for a good time, the dark and introverted nature of the music isn't "fun" for them...you end up at sausage fest parties of people closing their eyes, scrunching up their faces and while yes, they're having a good time, it's not a jump and scream from the rooftops fun-times for all, kinda good time

/ramble
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Bn1 said:

I don't see much point in handwringing over the dance scene in nz, there must have been 00s of threads here about it over the years. There'll still be parties as long as there's money to be made or people passionate about music.


Pretty sure that's the problem? There aint money to be made and there's not much passion for music.

I blame the fall of MDMA
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HardHouse007 said:
What's this about Khuja and Rakinos - they are closing?!


Nah. Both are still fine establishments but have had changes in direction and not for the better.
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Brings to mind Meat Katie's Hum nights when I was living in London. They started out in a no name bar near Leicester Sq that held about 30-odd people and built it up slowly to a gig that was held at Canvas where there were 1000+ people and constantly rated as one of the best nights out. You can't start something from the top. If you want to play quality dubstep you need to supply the niche audience, then grow that audience.
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the best things I've been too have always been targetted at music people (I consider myself one of these creatures)... and the party people makeup the bulk of the crowd

when you cater to the party people over the music people and the music then you end up with the sorts of parties and events and club nights we have (generally speaking)

party people will (generally) go to great musical events but music people choose not to attend "shiity music" events - the trick is to get the balance right to attract both

only cater to music types and you're doomed as they are small in number... only cater to party types and you will have potentially huge sucess for a period then you're fucked (they is fickle and will move to the next new bar/club/opening at the drop of a hat)

ands why do we discuss this topic and similar ones endlessly - cause its fascinating... and a topic filled with passion for that which most of us here care about, go figure
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spike said:
Brings to mind Meat Katie's Hum nights when I was living in London.


I used to go to the Metallheadz nights at the Blue Note Club, small and intimate... and awesome

then it got mega 'cool' and popular and fill of wankers and I stopped going
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grinder said:
Bn1 said:

I don't see much point in handwringing over the dance scene in nz, there must have been 00s of threads here about it over the years. There'll still be parties as long as there's money to be made or people passionate about music.


Pretty sure that's the problem? There aint money to be made and there's not much passion for music.

I blame the fall of MDMA


Nah, there's fucktons of money to be made, but making money and passion for the music used to do that are a bit mutually exclusive right now.

1am last night, at least 200 kids in a queue outside Code, hundreds if not thousands more milling around the bottom end of town.
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Seeing Danny Tenaglia in NY next month <-- fair few other acts but jumping out of my skin with excitment to see this guy again.
I believe I'm going to see Elton John in Vegas but its not been confirmed.
Above & Beyond next weekend.

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