video editing - rendering out the ying yang - HELP

hey Im currently working on some seriously big video files in adobe premiere and the rendering time is farking atrocious... a 39 min video is taking 14 hours to render..and slowing my PC down to the point Im about to throw the farking thing out the window.

Im gonna go buy a second PC to do it on...can anyone suggest what to go for...the machine will be used for the video editing stuff..so i can leave it chugging away while I work on this PC.

My current PC is a p4 2.4 with a GB of RAM and it just aint cutting the mustard baby.

Suggestions please...please...need to get this shit done and running out of time...


What should I buy? ..assid..you might have a suggestion?

anyone?

oh and also its school holidays, i think Im gonna throw the kids out the window too

HELP!!!!!!

how much money are you going to spend?

if possible a HT pentium with a raid 0 would be good but thats not exactly a second hand machine....

you could get a computer similar to your one for about $1k now and just rdp into it from your current box so you dont need monitor or keyboard.

holy shit.

14 hours?

How much stuff are you trying to render?

Just rendered a 7 minute video out of Final Cut Pro as a self-contained movie - took about 15minutes at the highest settings.

Rendering to DV tape took about a minute...

Dual 1Ghz processor G4 Mac, 2GB Ram.

streamline your workflow - make sure you are working in the right environment for the right job. - stick with DV if you can...

do you really need full frame?

what codec are you using?

other option is get a hardware video board which will dramatically decrease your render times.

best thing you can do is just preview stuff before you do an output render ..

I did a 25min HP video for the scanners and printers ...

you will want to use things like 100mbit network with a server for parts of the vid (youll get a good 10MB per s .. but youll need fast disk .. and lots of it ..

Video editing is really meant for Avid suits and the likes ..


rememeber to put your source vid on one disk and the out put to another ...

thanks peeps

yeah Bob - my hardware guy suggested raid, think I may go with that...

assid - definately full frame, playing with codecs now as there is probably another I should be using but as Ive only been using premiere for a few months I'm not exactly up to speed with it.

PC wise, i'd get the fastest processor you can and lots of RAM. I don't know how important disk is - I find that rendering is mostly CPU/RAM limited, not disk limited, and with lots of RAM it'd be cached too.

Choose the processor that works best for your rendering program - some programs might be optimised for P4 but not Athlon. Check out reviews of the software to work it out.

true to a point .. how ever we are talking about two processes here.
Rendering and working with extremely large files. yes the rendering will speed up over all processing of compression / effect routines .. however simple view / editing of these files in post production stages .. you need fast disk ..

mirrored raid will help .. and almost double the speed of your disk access (in burst)

however I find the best way is to have multiple volumes .. on different controllers. thus increasing data bandwidth through put ...

Interesting. My assumption was that there's lots of processing to do on a small data set (small at one time), in which case processor/memory are more important. That's my experience with DVD compression, which takes maybe 6GB of data and outputs a CD. Data access there is sequential too, so caching will work wel. The disk isn't taxed at all in that, but processor is at 100% the whole time.

I really don't know about professional rendering, so I will defer to someone who sounds like they know more than I do

DVD compression is different to video production ... Compression yes .. sure uses bugger all disk bandwith ... but what this fulla is doing (the original question) is video production with Adobe Premier. basically arrange cutting splicing files in a project file that uses tons of RAW footage to make a final edit (movie) then he can look at compressing it down to something else like DivX .. etc etc ..

hope that clears things up a bit ...

Ah yes, raw digital video would probably be pretty massive. I can definitely see how fast disks/raid would help with that - thanks for educating me

I've never been called a fulla or a he before. but thats ok, I'll forgive ya

Some helpful comments in here people, cheers.

Changed the codec I was using and messed with the settings a bit more and it cut the rendering time down about 60%. Still need to get more grunt though, looking at mirrored raid...also going to have get more space....those files are bloated.

I would think youd want striped raid (Raid0) Raid1(mirrored) is for important data - you could go for Raid1/0 (10 drives) or raid 5 but youre looking at mega$$reading from a raid0 array and writing onto a normal drive (assuming youd have one raid0 array then a cd/dvd rom and another hdd on the other ide channels would probably be the best way to go. Alternatively you could use/ write to a networked comp possibly with scsi drives - it would be a pain to have to sit at a multiple scsi drive computer theyre pretty noisey mind you one of my comps has 4 ides and it aint quiet especially when the hdds get slightly out of sync and you get this annoying occilating whine.

annoying occilating whines are not a good thing

.....but it makes it go faster

How about a couple of Xeons with raided scsi for more power.....buy one of them then I can use it