Usain Bolt - 9.58!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4Px38H4Ww

Looked like he had some left in the tank near the end too

This is unbelievable. Being a sprinter myself, I can't even dream to imagine these types of speeds. Very cool indeed.

Oh and you've gotta love the german commentary!

yep.

I heard that on the radio tonight, Usain Bolt breaks his own world record blah blah blah but when I heard the time I was stunned... 9.58 WTF!!!

dude will do sub 9.5 for sure. How pissed would Gay have been... sets a pb and still can't match the Bolt.

I know they've said he's too tall etc but that kids can run like the wind... come to think of it Donovan Bailey was a pretty tall and he was mean too

Whats brown and runny?

Keep that shit in the lounge

Sorry funpolice

The dude is a farking legend, but that's been said enough to make the comment redundant

bobby brown?

We all know Jamacian athletes don't get tested when training at home by their own federation, and the IAAF's programme in the country is inadequate.

Personally I think Tyson Gay, on the balance of probabilities (remembering too the five Jamaican athletes caught a couple of weeks ago) is the world's fastest man.

But really they are pretty much all at it.

Erm... Usain Bolt is unquestionably the most drug tested man on the planet. What makes Jamaican doping so awesome that they don't get caught? Americans have a HUGE history of doping themselves. You can't just speculate stuff like that like it's 'certain'.



gc.

This also makes me laugh... Who the hell is 'they' in this instance?

"Oh... the fastest man that ever lived is TOO TALL TO BE A RUNNER", they said.

:>

gc.

I think what Greenie is saying that they (jamaican) train at home under influence, not compete dopped up. I think thats what hes saying anyway. heh

WTF? Usain Bolt is under more scutiny than anyone so to suggest he's doped up is utterly unfounded, especially when you refer to Tyson Gay as clean. Which country has a track record of doping sprinters Jamaica or the USA?

Plus look at him, newsflash, drugs don't make you faster they generate muscle growth and Usain Bolt's physique looks a lot more natural than pretty much anyone else in the sport. It's sad that people naturally assume this sort of thing when someone comes along who is just that much better than everyone else.

Performance enhancing drugs can do all sorts of things, not just build muscle. You should refer specifically to Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids, IGF1, or Human Growth Hormone when making a claim like that.

Let's be realistic, they are all on it. Celebrate the fact that Bolt is obviously a human being with superior genetics. The drugs might just give him the edge over other superior beings.

I find this statement interesting, got any facts to back this up?

Just curious to your source material that proves these findings...

Mostly anecdotal evidence, but there are a few very famous cases across many sports.

A good friend of mine had a very good chance at becoming a pro cyclist in Europe. He went to Italy as a fresh 18 year old, and came back very quickly as he wasn't prepared to play the game as it were. I've also trained around some quite well known athletes: Donovan Bailey was one, andother fella called Virgilius Alekna (once the world discus champion), they were both quite open about things.

Well documented cases such as Operation Puerto and the Festina scandal in cycling implicated huge numbers of cyclists seeing certain doctors. You also had the Balco labs scandal (San Francisco based I think) who were manufacturing and supplying the designer setroids like THG. Balco serviced a large number of athletes from Baseball to Athletics. The operator Patrick Arnold is now serving jail time. I believe you also had the shot putter CJ Hunter (Husband of Marion Jones) involved in that same scandal.

You also have cases of pro Bodybuilders supplying large circles of athletes. There was a Canadian bodybuilder arrested last year who had quite a ring of 'customers' and also another fella Victor Martinez who was guilty of the same.

Then there's the documented programs of the old Eastern Block countries. I guess I'm saying that it is very likely that the drug thing is very widespread.

Don't get me wrong, I think the achievements of guys like Usain Bolt are fantastic. They are genetically gifted to the extent of (in Bolt's case) being the fastest person on earth. That's like faster than the other 6.49 billion other human beings. Let's say you put them all on a drug free playing field. He's probably still be the fastest man on earth. He just has to play the game though to be better than the others that need drugs to beat him.

I still want to know why these guys don't get caught then? If 'everyone' is doing it, why are there so few cases of people getting caught? Bolt said he was tested so much at the Olympics that he (and other runners) were very much worried about turning in sub-standard performances due to how much blood they have to give up in the tests.



gc.

Steroids have different 'half lives', that is they are detectable for certain periods. The Stanolozol Ben Johnson used in 1988 is detectable for a considerable period of time, whereas Dianabol is out within a few hours. Not sure if a test has been developed for Human Growth Hormone yet, but a couple of years ago it wasn't testable. The THG Balco labs developed wasn't even known about by authorities until an anonymous person left a syringe of it at a testing agency a couple of years ago.

A good friend of mine who competed as a weightlifter at Commonwealth level (he's also a doctor) was always known to say you are only as good as your masking agent or the doctor prescribing/advising you. Food for thought there.

I heard from this guy who told somebody that Usain Bolt takes drugs...

who do you think 'they' would be? people involved in sprinting from reporting, coaches and performance research...

Bolt is unusually tall for a sprinter. Donovan was considered tall (6"1) but this guy is 6"5 and has gone significantly quicker

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/features/So-just-how-low-can.4399357.jp

height has been considered an issue in the past - slower starts, more resistance was meant to lead to slower times. Obviously attitudes are changing as sports science gets more tech and runners like Bolt come along.

gc

20 degrees of separation or something like that

It's flawed logic, pulla, to say that in the absence of evidence, there is an indication of drug use.

Occam's Razor: what's the simplest possible explanation of someone testing negative?
1. He is not using drugs
2. He is using drugs and is masking them

It's not definitive, but in the absence of anything else, it makes more sense to assume he's negative

Is there any drug out there right now that will make a person faster over a short distance, and not do so as a result of muscle growth?

Funny coming from you!



gc.

I understand the flawed logic call, I base my thoughts purely on having spent some time over many years with people that know a lot more than you or I on the extent of drug use in sport as a whole. Nothing surprises me in that respect.

Jono: Look at the energy substrates used by a sprinter to power his body over the 100m. It's an anaerobic event, that is oxygen is not a part of the equation. Therefore something that promotes speed and power is very useful. Testosterone and it's mimickers do this very well.

The THG steroid was and probably still is very popular with sprinters. Have a look at the links (sorry to use wiki):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrogestrinone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_exercise

Look at Bolt's body-type. He's very tall, he has very long limbs and therefore muscle bellies, and as a result he's very unlikely to induce the bulky, round look to his muscles. Having said that if you stood next to the guy he's more muscular than 95% of the population anyways. His schlong is probably 2 foot long as well. As I said earlier (I think) the human body will respond to different types of stimulation. What I should include here is certain types (endo, ecto, or mesomorphs) play a huge part too.

What do you lot think of Michael Phelps?

Or swimmers in general? Why are there less swimmers getting busted? Is it just the 'better drugs' scenario?



gc.

Should also include that Bolt very probably has a vastly different make up to his muscles. He would be predominantly type 2b fibre, therefore much better at short explosive bursts of power.

I think Phelps, much like Bolt, is just a physical freak. Someone who happens to be physically so suited to their chosen sport that it puts them a league above the competition.

It was interesting to hear Ato Baldin (sp?) speaking yesterday and saying there was about 10 things that Bolt did wrong in that race with his technique etc that if he corrected would shave more time off.

Remember the Chinese swimmers a few years back that busted world records all over the place? Or that butch looking bitch Michelle something from Ireland? It's rife! We all know Phelps smokes the weed too. I know after a cone I'm definately stronger....

Phelps wins his medals over 100m plus events. He is very probably extremely efficient in metabolising lactic acid so can push himself a lot harder than most. That and he has a dis-proportionately long arm span to his height. In other words he's a freak too.

Someone like Phelps confuses me a little. Like Tiger, I think he's just at the top of his game. If he continues to smash records into the next few years then I'd certainly question his methods.

Over the past few weeks I've been listening to the two part BBC Radio documentary "Sport’s Greatest Cover Up". Anyone who listens to that would find it difficult to take any track and field result seriously, the first thought anyone has when they hear of some new freak smashing a world record is "drug cheat".

Does anyone, in their heart, really believe Usain Bolt is just a happy coming together of genes and starchy staples?

It makes me feel sad for the honest athletes, because to me whole sports are hopelessly tainted with drugs. And after listening to the BBC doucmentaries, it seems utterly predictable that it is sports particularly popular in Europe - in particular athletics and cycling - that are the most utterly compromised ones.

The documentary is available on the BBC and RadioNZ websites, it is worth a heartbreaking listen.

why utterly predictable?

Perhaps you should listen to the documentaries and find out?

In short, after the fall of the GDR twenty years ago no one really wanted to know about what coaches, scientists and doctors got up to. Many of the records were deliberately destroyed. Anyone who investigates in Germany is now labelled a "sports traitor" and ostracised. Instead of finding out who what, how, where, and when, it has all as much as possible been quietly forgotten.

Many - if not most - of the doctors and coaches involved simply dispersed around Europe (and the rest of the world) into cycling and athletic programs taking their knowledge with them. And politely, no one in their new job discusses their role in the GDR doping scandal.

Probably because they used the eastern block (not just GDR but Bulgaria, Russia and others) athletes as science experiments. A lot of un-suspecting athletes were given concoctions of 'vitamins' and years down the track found themselves with all sorts of cancers, infertility issues, and in some cases depression leading to suicide.

With the juice must come side effects unless properly managed.

I take it by GDR you mean DDR? Otherwise known as East Germany.

And yes right now I sincerely believe that Usain Bolt is just a freak of nature, tbh I would be utterly gutted if he was found out to be a drugs cheat.

What usain?

least he's a man and doesn't require a committe of specialists to determine his gender

In other news six Jamaican Sprinters test positive for banned stimulants...

he now adds the 200 metres to his record busting

200m final:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce7jJBu7Koo

Woahhhh



gc.

Good posts pulla


Coooooome on some of you, I know its inspiring/intersting etc to see these records getting toppled but its common sense to "assume" Bolt is on the juice . I mean the sports history is steeped in drug abuse. This guy starts poorly, hams it up at the finish and doesnt even stretch out

Despite this he is smashing every record in sight

Perhaps as well as being constructed perfectly for sprinting he also just happens to respond to the drugs extremly well

chaos_theory...I loled

I'll remember that in case at any point you praise a NZer for their efforts then. Cos clearly anyone that does well and breaks records must be a cheat then.

What are your thoughts on the likes of Sarah Ulmer? Smashed the world record in a semi at the Olympics and then bettered it in the final. Is she definitely a drugs cheat as well? Is everyone who wins a cheat?

in some sports, you will never convince me the top guys are clean. Tour De France and sprinters are right up there in this regard

I dont know a hell of a lot about Ulmers discipline but Im guessing there is a lot more it to than sheer power/endurance. There would be a strong emphasis on things like technique too I would imagine

Bolt is still a legend b/c as stated he would be the best if everyone was clean (lol)...and if everyone was on the juice

well he passed another drug test after the 200M final so there

add pro football (ie soccer) and pro tennis to the list.

i think we should also think long and hard about some of our rugby players too, especially when you have seen in the past some of our guys gain 6-8 kgs of muscle mass over the off season...

cycling is perhaps the most tested sport around.

in other news daniel bell goes to hospital for binge drinking at world swim champs!

have you see some of the 6s mccullum hits?! definitely as much of a drug cheat as bolt...

wtf?

I weird attempt @ a wind up.. one can only imagine. neils posts have been strange lately, even for him

codpeice...you are dreaming putting football in the same drug cheat category as cycling

Just wanted to clafify that I dont mean any hating on Bolt. He is still awesome I just think its naive to think (hope) he is actually clean

Most drug charges laid in football have been against Cocaine!

translation: they're both not drug cheats

fuck you two are dense.

You post that dribble and call us dense? fuck you are funny

How the hell do you KNOW he isnt a drug cheat, o lord of sport neil

and yeah phelix...I find it ridiculous guys get pinged for coke/weed.Not exactly performance enhancing is it

Maybe weed could be performance enhancing for the world hot dog eating champs.. I suppose

The same way that I know that ice cream is fattening and that oranges contain vitamin C.

Somebody did a test and checked.

It's got nothing to do with sport per se

ice cream is sugary, not particularly fattening