Tri Nations 2010

Squad has been announced this morning:

Forwards:

John Afoa Auckland (23)
Anthony Boric North Harbour (15)
Tom Donnelly Otago (7)
Corey Flynn Canterbury (7)
Ben Franks Tasman (2)
Owen Franks Canterbury (12)
Jerome Kaino Auckland (27)
Richie McCaw (capt) Canterbury (83)
Keven Mealamu Auckland (74)
Liam Messam Waikato (3)
Kieran Read Canterbury (19)
Brad Thorn Canterbury (40)
Victor Vito Wellington (2)
Samuel Whitelock Canterbury (3)
Tony Woodcock North Harbour (63)
Backs:

Jimmy Cowan Southland (36)
Aaron Cruden Manawatu (3)
Israel Dagg Hawke's Bay (2)
Cory Jane Wellington (15)
Richard Kahui Waikato (10)
Mils Muliaina Waikato (83)
Ma'a Nonu Wellington (46)
Rene Ranger Northland (1)
Josevata Rokocoko Auckland (62)
Conrad Smith Wellington (35)
Benson Stanley Auckland (3)
Piri Weepu Wellington (3

No Hosea Gear? Now I'm convinced that Henry is mad.

Oh and choosing 5 specialist midfielders? *sigh*

Stoked for Benson making it. Although with Nonu coming back, not sure how much game time he'll get.

Thoughts peeps?

No Dan Carter??

Well, I went to the Tron for the game. I can’t believe Guilford was dropped. This was his only outing in the starting XV and it was in this fag end game of the early international season. He was the most enthusiastic and interested All Black back on the field. Most of the All Blacks were somewhere else for the balance of the game last night. They were as bored as the crowd. Guilford gets one run and never gets a go in combination with his mate Israel Dagg. The selectors say they are all about combinations, so how come? Rokococo is yesterday’s man. Gear and Guilford are the wingers for tomorrow, not Rokococo. Dropping tomorrow’s players to hang onto one of yesterdays men makes no sense at all.

Muliana was OK – a bit slow I thought, but maybe he was short of a gallop. Still, Dagg seems a better bet for 2011 than Mils at the moment, but Muliana is good cover for centre I suppose.

Kahui and Stanley did nothing outstanding on attack last night. Our mid-field lacked the “X” factor. Ranger was clearly brought on “to make something happen.” Stanley is OK with good players around him, but last night he had a mediocre centre outside him and it showed him up. McAlistair should be there instead of either him or Nonu. Looking to 2011, it seems to me obvious that McAlistair and SBW are the 2nd five options, Kahui and Smith outside them. Nonu is one dimensional cut-back king whose awesome physical strength counts for nothing at international level. We saw in the first two tests how Conrad Smith flourishes with a proper 2nd five eight inside him.

Cory Jane is a magical player, so light and well balanced on his feet!

Again, why pick Ranger and not Gear/Guilford?? That makes no fucking sense whatsoever. And sticking with the “no fucking sense whatsoever” file Liam Messam for Thompson? WTF? Meesam has been tried and found wanting twice now. What makes the selectors think anything has changed? He can’t make the step up to international level. We know this already.

Cowan and Carter are clearly our best in their respective positions. Head and shoulders above the rest. And speaking of head and shoulders above, Cruden is too small for international rugby – he is tiny! The Springboks will target him. I suspect that we should be looking more to the rapidly developing Brett rather than Cruden.

I don’t have problem with dropping Tialata, he has been on borrowed time. The scrum needs a lot of work – the Bok’s will kill last night’s scrum.

So basically, I’d have Gear, Guilford, Thompson and McAlistair in and Ranger, Nonu, Meesam and Rokococo out of that squad.

Fishy, Benson set up the first try for the AB's. He did everything asked of him. No missed tackles and cleaned up some of other's mistakes.

Cruden is small. 78 Kgs and no height. He will get exposed big time, so agree there. Especially for a 1st 5 who likes to run, he needs bulk.

I thought McAlistair was unlucky. I'm not a big fan of the guy, but I thought he did enough to be there. Again, I do not see the point naming 5 specialists midfielders.

Gear, well, um, who fucking knows. It's the most strange non-selection. He might not be a kicking wing, but he runs it back and makes meters, and omg he can score tries! Something that Rokococo doesn't even know about. What a joke.

Vadz, I copy/pasted it from Stuff.co.nz. Must be missprint. I've had another look now, and he's on the list.

Benson Stanley is a journeyman, picked because he was the last man standing. He has done a good job of holding the fort but better players are coming back from injury now. He is solid but has nothing to offer at the highest level beyond that.

Kahui is bloody lucky to - in combination with Stanley he was useless, but like Rokococo the selectors love him.

Oh and lets face it - on form McAlistair has the international class skills, an X factor that can win games... And that is what you need in the crunch games.

Best tackler at 12
VERY solid passer
Got a real "punch" as a runner, doesn't have top end pace, sure, nor much of a wiggle, but that's not his style
Very communicative, sets the d-line
Is a captain. Leadership
Won an NPC title unbeaten as captian
Won't fuck up with dinky little chips

You may remember us not winning a world cup since 1987, fishy. "Skilful" 12s like Walter Little, Lukey Mac etc are a fucking waste of space. When you have a creative #10 e.g. Carter, Spencer you need a 12 to straighten the line, hold the fort etc. Stanley is the perfect link between a daring Carter and a slashing Smith. Having Carter-McAlister-Smith creates one of the least solid possible combinations. All 3 of them are noted for missing tackles (which isn't the same as making big hits.)

The thing is we need another kicking option for Carter, not some Joe average 40 metre merchant like Benson Stanley but a 60-70 metre booming boot - which is what McAlistair can do when he is on song. He can break a tackle and has great vision.

Sorry, but it's the OK Stanley boy vs. the outstanding McAlistair.

You can't call Benson Stanley a journeyman, he hasn't been around long enough to qualify as a journeyman. I would've picked Luke McAllister as well though. Kahui had a brilliant game on the weekend whereas Guilford was caught out a couple of times on defence. Rocko retains his place deservedly for his experience and the fact that he still runs 100m quicker than anyone in the side (apparently).

I think what fish_boys means is he has journeyman traits. I like Stanley but LukeyMac has significantly more ability and versatlity in his game than him. Obviously when Luke misfires it doesnt look good, but thats because he tries more things. He gets critisised for risky moves like chips kicks but he does things like that because he is TOLD TO, and he is told to because he has the ability to pull it off.

Its worth remembering Luke McAlister was far and away the best black jersey on the field in *that* game in Cardiff. If properly used and on form he can be an absolute trump card for the All Blacks on par with Dan Carter for next years World Cup. Part of his problem is the Harbour Union just leaks players to other unions and overseas so dramatically and seems to be adminstratively incompetent. A shift to another union could possibly help but my understanding is he is extremely loyal to North Harbour and wont move

We've seen in the past few weeks what LukeyMac can do with an NZ Maori jersey on..... the man has heart as well as extreme talent and loyalty. lets hope it gets utilised properly

If you based selection on performance for the NZ Maori, then Stephen Brett would be DC's understudy, not Cruden. Brett was the BEST Maori back on the field, and Hosea Gear was second. Lukey Mac was 4th or 5th

You know nothing, obviously

I've watched more games than Benson has played than you. Benson has an excellent boot, and what's more, it's a long distance boot. His kicks have a lower trajectory than McAlister's but they have the same distance. Benson was often the outlet valve for Auckland when Lavea was first five as he had better distance

Again, Benson Stanley CAPTAINED a team to a TITLE, UNBEATEN. That's what we who understand sport call "intangibles" - that is, leadership and will to win. If you measured on speed etc all the time you'd have a team full of athletes who can't play. Look at Germany in the World Cup, Klose and Podolski scored nothing all year but with the jersey on those intangibles come out.

Pick winners, not good individuals.

running this thread through my vad translator yields the following

"pick the aucklander not the north harbour scum"

lol @ calling Benson a journey man.

Simple really. Stanley is an outstanding defender, which McAlister has not even close idea about. I mean the man has more metal plates in his face than a bionic man, due to his below average tackling technique. And defence is not only about being to tackle but organisation of the backline. Have you ever played along side Benson, fish_boy? I have. And I can tell you that he is best defensive organiser I know. Him and Smith are simply the best at defensive organisation. McAlister on the other hand runs around the field like a headless chicken. He's erratic, inconsistent and lacks a good pass.

Team to play SA:


Mils Muliaina, Cory Jane, Conrad Smith, Ma’a Nonu, Joe Rokocoko, Dan Carter, Jimmy Cowan; Kieran Read, Richie McCaw, Jerome Kaino, Tom Donnelly, Brad Thorn, Owen Franks, Keven Mealamu, Tony Woodcock.

Reserves: Corey Flynn, Ben Franks, Sam Whitelock, Liam Messam, Piri Weepu, Aaron Cruden, Richard Kahui.


No suprises there really. Although I had a txt from vadz to say that it's shit about Benson being dropped, I think it's a first time Henry made the right decision. By bringing Nonu back he not only showed loyalty, which lets face it he only gave to Rokocoko (out of poor performers), but also kept the midfield combination with Smith going. Stanley will have his chance again. And now Nonu knows that he has some contention for No 12 jersey, it will put the pressure on him to perform well.

Ya I dont really see how Benson could have been picked over Nonu/Kahui. He will get his chance again tho

Tbf to Joe he had a great Super 14 and there's a bit of a dearth of wing talent out there right now. Hosea Gear is about the only player I can think of with Sivi injured - Kahui isn't a winger, he's a versatile centre. The days of having better wingers outside the AB squad than any other country had available are long gone.

Worst ref ever.

you won the game! surely you could stop blaming the ref for once!

Fuck, Boks got smashed out there tonight.

lol Bakkies lol

needs to think more with his head, instead of trying to smash people with it

He made watching the game a torture. Missing obvious infringements on both sides. Northern Hemisphere refs just suck in general and tonight's performance by one of them showed why.

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He wasn't biased, he was old and incompetent

Opening play of the game I'm sure he missed 1, maybe 2 All Blacks knockons, then Cowan blatantly holding back a Jaapie player - which were all things that made it tougher for you, neil_a.

Ah, what a beautiful sight - the furor Zealandicus smashing the dirty filthy cheating (did I miss anything? Oh yes! COWARDLY) Saffa's off the park!

Poor old Jimmy Cowan, he helpfully tries to tuck in Bakkies Botha jersey and he gets a sneaky head butt in return.

The ref was to old and not quick enough, he was clearly a bit stunned by the speed of it all, the sweat was POURING off him!! BUT he also kept both sides on side, which gave our backs the room to show they are to good for the Springboks. Now, imagine what we would do with Luke McAlistair playing!!!!

Christ Jimmy was awful though, if that performance doesn't get Weepu a start then he should probably go to league. No doubt the hacks in the NZ press will give everyone an 8 at least though because we won.

*Fetches his papr* Grumble...no _/10 rating system for this game. How annoying/lazy

We saw how the Boks try to win games with that brutal stuff they started the 2nd half with. The problem was they didnt appear to have the energy to do it for 80 mins. Possible jetlag issues... its such a shitty flight. They will improve next week one would imagine

Oh and if I ws an NZ based safa Id HATE the commentary team. Honestly Smith should stick to cricket.... and him and Nisbo are vomit inducing with their fawning over the AB's. Everything they do is brilliant and everything the safas do is boring_rugby or borderline cheating. They are starting to give Bill Lawry a run for his money, turn it down a bit guys..... its embarrasing

Maestro, the commentary teams are awful in this country. By far the best you'll hear anywhere is the Aussie League commentary team built around Ray Warren. Our commentators are, first, the creatures of Sky TV - so they talk it up. Then they are the bitches of the All Black management, cos toadies get the nice invites to hang out with the players. As usual in this country, the listening and watching public come a distant third.

But also in style, there seems to be this strange belief they have to pretend to be dispassionate observers, even if they are actually biased as hell. But listen to Ray Warren - I love listening to his language, its gritty and intelligent and boyishly enthusiastic - with Ray Warren, you KNOW you are watching something IMPORTANT. Lets face it - without Ray Warren league would exposed for the hopelessly boring, formulaic (you get six, I get six) game it actually is at the moment.

Kinda used to it by now dude.

Your prayers have been answered by TVNZ: http://tvnz.co.nz/all-blacks/v-springboks-player-ratings-3638056

And I doubt there was any jetlag, they fly business class and have been here since, what, Tuesday? Stop sticking up for the cheating fuckers. Especially the stalling/collapsing of the scrum on their own goal line to get Botha back on the field. That was laughable.

Whats laughable is how thugby heads in this country deride professional fouls in football..... and use it as a basis for refusing to embrace Fifas World Cup

Yet when Jimmy Cowan holds a player back which is as blantent as obvious a professional foul as any in-the-box diving no one seems to notice

Yes they did. Read Buck Shelford's (albeit amateur) review of the game on the TVNZ website. Even Foxy had a few things to say about it.

Jimmy Cowan had a shocker. Judging by the look on his face after the game you'd think we got smashed by 40+ points. poor cunt, he dropped every 2nd ball and every other ball he turned it into a hospital pass. Forgetful match for him.

PS I made a killing off the Stags 1st shield defense. $100 @ $4 the first scoring play = Southland Penalty. Check. And $100 at $3.40 winning margin 36-47 points. Easy money.

Well my point still stands, if cynical professional fouls "ruin" football...then whats the difference with what Cowan did

It was kinda surreal how It happened.... and then shortly after we saw replays of the head butt, and Smith... Unbelievably ....started bellowing "The ref was right there! How did he miss that!?"

Quite Smithy...how did they miss that. Wait...what is it we are talking about again? Botha should have just used a short swinging arm and I think Cowan would have had no right to complain

I agree 100% And Botha just got 9 weeks, which I think is a trifle harsh.

hah! you must be taking the piss here; only a team of naive idiots wouldn't stall in that spot...

The faux outrage of a lot of AB fans is pretty hard to take seriously sometimes

It is because he has got form - he has just come off a four week suspension.

Not when you look at his previous record, from memory he got 8 weeks for something he did against the Lions last year so he only has himself to blame.

I still have no idea why he got suspended for that Lions incident...



Really doesn't seem illegal to me -- can anyone who watches rugby more than me explain that?

The dude's a grub, but 9 weeks seems a bit OTT to me for headbutt

Like I said, shocking reffing.

I thought both Weepu and Kahui made a difference when they came on. Still believe Donnolly is over rated. Whitelock should have had a start. And I think Henry must let him start very soon, it's just makes sense for his confidence.

Mils was outstanding, except for one knock on he made in the first 5 minutes. Having Dagg in the team really puts him under pressure and he responded so well.

Nonu, shit, it's hard to find things to criticise him about tbh.

We'll see how Bocks respond.

GB, I'm pretty sure they have taken in consideration the fact that he infringes ALL the time. He's consistently fucking bad with his temper. If I was a coach, I would never pick him again. He's a liability.

PS. In his post match interview, Smit was really fucked off, you can tell, and he said something like they will not put up with such behaviour.

WTF Donnelly was IMMENSE bro, were you paying attention to any of the set pieces? Or too busy watching your fellow backs. Whitelock is far too inexperienced to start against a South African lineout/scrum, just because he scored a few tries against third rate opposition doesn't make him equipped to deal with the worlds best line out - look what happened when we rushed Isaac Ross in against the Boks, we got destroyed.

South Africans were a bunch of thugs in that game

I thought Thorn had a moster of a game... did you see that tackle he did!! Nonu was pretty awesome as well, becoming a more complete player IMO, not just smash and bash styles.

I also noticed that the ABs were better than completely useless at the lineout...

Was a brilliant game by the AB's they outmuscled the boks in every part of the game.

Januarie is def a weak point in the boks line-up right now. I have no idea why Ruan Pienaar is not starting at #9 ... we lost the game at scrum half to start with.

Anyway like I pointed out to the lads on the weekend ... typical AB's performance ... pre-ejaculation at its best. SA does not have to worry about this Eden Park voodoo because they will play against someone other than the AB's in the WC final

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Put your money where your mouth is then

What odds will you give me on a South Africa vs any team except the All Blacks in the WC final?

If you want to bet with odds go to the TAB.

Lulz weak stir reaction. Your boys got butt raped and you would have been insufferable. Suck on the fat loss you filthy Perth living south African cunt!! We fucken smashed you, now be a man and admit it.



gc.

haha awesome smf

That was one of the most encouraging things for me, hence my comments about Donnelly.

All Blacks for the weekend:


Mills Muliaina, Cory Jane, Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Rene Ranger, Daniel Carter, Piri Weepu, Kieran Read, Richie McCaw, Jerome Kaino, Tom Donnelly, Brad Thorn, Owen Franks, keven Mealamu, Tony Woodcock. Reserves: Corey Flynn, Ben Franks, Sam Whitelock, Liam Messam, Jimmy Cowan, Aaron Cruden, Israel Dagg.

lol smf. Q...you got told!


Im picking taht the 1st time Ranger gets the ball he will run straight over the top of whichever green jersey is in front of him.... and by the end of the Tri nations selecting an AB's side without him is unthinkable. he is Johan Mach 2

Ranger on the wing?



gc.

Yeah smf. It will be interesting to see how he goes. I reserve my personal opinion about him. lol

No he is not, he is a thick as pigshit Northlander, and I am picking the 1st time he gets the ball he'll drop it, and the second, and third times he'll butcher a try, just like he did in the Tron. Then he'll drop the ball again. He will make one punishing run, and then the selecctors will drop him.

lol...well, Im picking that strange little outburst is you hurting over your boy Guilford not being selected. The reason Rokocoko would have been selected if fit and Why Ranger has been picked in front of Hosea and Zack should be obvious. Rokocoko is over 100 kgs and more likely to make the advantage line and less likely to be swamped by the physicality of the Boks. Zack may have his day but he is a few years and a few KG's away from being an auto selection for Spingbok tests.

Im not going to bother to refute your claim that Ranger isnt a sharp thinker partly because I suspect you are right and partly because its a bit of a non-issue, theres been plenty of pig shit thick rugby legends after all. We will see who is right soon enough

Back to Bakkies Botha. He has been widely pillored but its also South African rugby that desrves a serve as well. Botha has clearly had issues for some time with the way he has approached the game, but there seems to have little or no attempt to pull him into line. I assume due to many safas love for his moniker "The Enforcer" and their deep held belief that thuggery has its place in international rugby.

Well it doesnt. Incidents like his sly headbutt do nothing positive for the game. And this is coming from someone who is rare for a kiwi in that I fucking love the Spingboks, but its well overdue that this ugly crap of theirs was banished from their game. It doesnt really work at the very top anyway when you have guys like Brad Thorn who simply arent scared of anyone

Just to add to Maestro's point. Being a professional is not only about having outstanding skills and fitness, but it is also the ability to realise that certain things on top level will be picked up by cameras. I mean the guy is playing like it's a club game where side line refs are too busy fighting with the supporters to look at the action on the field. And that is why I believe he does not belong on this level. And as I said before, if I was the coach I would not pick him ever again, because he is a liability.

Edit: ^^^^Talking about Botha there.

Exactly. And I cannot understand why Botha has not had this spelt out to him many years ago, becuase it is exactly what would have happened to some kiwi running round the NPC/Super acting like a lunatic. Random acts of stupid violence cost games, and no worthwhile coach would stand for it. Yet here is a senior international player who has seemingly been almost encouraged to let loose.

Its just so unhealthy for the game. I cant imagine how many mums saw that single act and instantly vowed to not enrol their little boyfor rugby next season....probably hundreds of them, maybe thousands. Nice one Bakkie

At test match level the rule of singularity of opportunity comes into play - namely, you might only get one opportunity and if you blow it by decision making then you could lose the entire match. Ranger has no vision, he is just a bullocking pillock selected in the desperate hope he might learn some vision from those around him. Such is the cocnept of a "project" to this selection panel. Guilford is a far more accomplished player and finished product, and a lethal finisher, but the selectors have to have their "little suck it and see before discarding" moment with Ranger first.

As for Bakkies - if every dirty filthy cheating Saffa was banned, we'd end up playing fifteen girl scouts - and five of them would be on their second yellow card.

Botha will miss the remainder of the Tri-Nations thanks to the suspension, picked up during his side's 32-12 loss to the All Blacks last weekend, and Smit has backed the decision, slamming Botha's ego.

"The fact of the matter is that in a team sport, you can't afford to have too many big egos. If you have one that is outside the team ethos, it hurts a team," Smit said. "It was probably the least penalties we've conceded in a long period of time but all you remember is one act of silliness. It's been dealt with, thankfully. I think it's just reward for silly behaviour."

Smit's comments were at odds with those of his coach, Peter De Villiers, who defended Botha as having been provoked by Cowan's holding him back as they chased a loose ball.

http://www.scrum.com/trinations2010/rugby/story/119464.html

Ah, well well well. Rene Ranger is a thug currently before the courts for an assault that left his victim with broken teeth and stitches - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10659379

If there is no place for Botha (or Lauaki) in international rugby, then there is no place for this Northland Neanderthal in the All Blacks. The contrast of this vicious animal Ranger with the clean cut and clean living Hawkes Bay hero of the people Zac Guilford can hardly be more stark.

I heard that Guilford is gay.

Ranger = loser
Guilford = loser

EFT
Play an Aucklander!!!

'Guildford' with a D.

He has a habit of running sideways across the paddock instead of attacking in a forward direction/running good lines.

Exactly Lazydawg. Guilford is a stepper





While there is an element to truth in this you are making the game more complex than it is with your romantising of the game. This post is exactly what people said about Lomu when he was 1st selected vs France at 19. And while they were proved right to a degree as the French bamboozled the young winger a few times to score down his chanell, what Lomu went on the achieve is obvious and the reason is simple. he was simply too big and too strong for his nopponents...... and whatever Jeff Wilson/Conrad Smith type defensive nous and positional play he didnt have was more than compensated by his being almost impossible to tackle. It doesnt take a mathematician to work out that selecting a player that lets in one try but scores 3 is a +EV proposition

Rugby really isnt that complex, if you are fucking huge and strong you will more than likely suceed because all the rest of the stuff can be learnt and isnt that important anyway

As for that court case pffffttt who the hell knows what went on in that drunken pub carpark brawl and he hasnt even been found guilty of anything. The guy probably tried to stand up to Rene and got his beans. So what

Who? David Smith? Dont make me laugh. He's been exposed at NPC level ffs

Sif Smith. Anybody in Auckland. Anybody. There was a young gay last year...Pakalani

I remember him. He was decent enough but about 80kgs dripping wet. Harbour smashed him!

I forgot Smith went to Wellington, HE was going to be the next big thing according to you IIRC

A Hawkes Bay hero who abandoned his home province and legged it to Canterbury as soon as he got the slightest bit of exposure? We want loyalty in the ABs not players only interested in personal glory/money, he'll be in Europe before we know it.

Dagg play of the match imo !

Boom!

Weepu

Weepu for man of the match, Dagg for the play

Fucking horrible reffing imo..

gg ABs

No argument from me with that game, I know about observer bias, and even with it for the AB's the ref missed some crucial calls against the ABs and was overly aggressive at penalizing the Boks.

I love it. The boks have so much talent but they need a good couch and I have said this before PvD will lose us teh WC next year. He is horrible and so is his team selection ...

I was to busy snogging to watch the game so I will have to watch it tonight - but that doesn't stop me calling you all cunts, especially Maestro.

Yuck.



gc.

What the shit?

Can you get lip rash from latex?

Apart from couple of non selections, one of which is due injury, I don't really see how any other player would have made a major difference. Also a discipline, which Boks obviously lack, is not always possible to control by coaching staff. It's a mentality that the players carry with them. Don't just blame PVD.

I thought Smit and Matfield ran the team anyway.....

Oh and while I dont like posting this and nacoa is probably the only person who will enjoy reading it, you gotta give props to canterbury rugby whom we would be utterly screwed without. Auckland rugby is not producing the players they should be yet the red and black have given us .....McCaw Carter Franksx 2 Reid Thorn all looking like world beaters right now. Auckland has given us....... Mealamu and Kaino. Not good enough

I cannot understand why we took Weepu off, especially with Carter kicking like shit. The game definitelywasn't over by that stage and Weepu was playing so well and had just taken over the goal kicking, bringing on Cowan smacked of subs for subs sake and was undoubtedly a very poor decision given the context and how much worse Cowan was.

Henry himself has stated that due to the speed of the modern game no half back can go the full 80 these days. Would loved to have seen Piri stay on though.

Cowan is pants- has to take a step before passing every time.
As soon as he came on, what do you know- straight into a pointless box kick!

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Dagg did save him with an outstanding take but I agree it was an aimless kick that gained about 10 metres of territory, and if not for Dagg somehow making that catch it we would've lost the ball for the sake of 10 metres.

However de Villiers, on Australia's Rugby Club television show, suggested the All Black victories had been helped because of a conspiracy to develop greater approval for rugby and the seventh World Cup.

"I've got my own observations about the last two tests, and I can't say it in public," de Villiers began


LOL

Ah, he's a funny cunt indeed.

gold *

Yeah fucken PDV. What a cock smoker.



gc.

There is at least 4 changes that I would have suggested that indeed would have made a HUGE diff in the team. Ricki Januarie is a fucken useless piece of shit and should never wear the bok jersey again, but he is PvD's love child so yeah ... go figure. He lost us a huge part of the games because of his tacticle or lack there off kicking game. Anyone that plays rugby knows that if you want to win against the AB's you don't give them the ball. Im not even going to talk about the inclusion of Aplon in the team when you have somoene like JP sitting on the sideline. Its fucken redonkulous.

As for the lack of dicipline its def another PvD thing. If the team respected him, if he made sure the team places some value in the bok jersey that shit would not be happening as often as they do currently. The bok team has always been dirty but whats been going on of late is digusting and thats because PvD is not controlling them.

We have a stack of talented players but due to the lack of a good couch that talent can't be harvested. Give this team to Henry, White or Heineke Meyer and they will be unstoppable.

PvD is a fucken tard, he thinks the world is against the boks when in the end its nothing but him.

I should prob stop blaming PvD huh ... his music is aiiiiiight!!!

definitely need a more tacticle couch

Man, Boks were so shit, that they let a shit Aussie side to win last night. Shit all around. lol

the ref, touch judges (omg fuck off cunts), boks and PdV's frown were equally bad last night :/