This was just bought to my attention

The Sanitarium Health Food Company is wholly owned by the Seventh Day Adventist Church and as a result pays no company tax on profits.

I'MA HAVE TO CHANGE TO VEGEMITE SADFACE

slow learner

interesting. so did they buy it out at some point?

Brought, not bought!

Sidenote - at New World today they had a huge sign for Vogel's bread being on sale.. spelt Vogal's. God, how can you misspell a 6 letter word that's a Kiwi icon.

Dear God. The teacher has become the student

SOMEONE DELETE THIS THREAD

I'm gonna be up all night staring at the place where that r is meant to be.

oh.my.god.

oh you mean you didn't pay for that bit of juicy information?

Yep. My Weetbix kid childhood was utterly ruined when I heard that.

Holy fuck, I had no idea *boycotts immediately*

how did people not know this?

all cereals are the work of the devil... its in the profits see

Cereal propheteers

I thought this was pretty common knowledge. Friend of mine used to have them as a client, when they drove out to site she had to sign in with her car number plate, which was a suggestive term. They complained about it and the plate had to come off the car.

Speaking of tax dodgers, anyone follow the recent UK carry on? It turns out that if you're a big company like say, Vodafone plc., and you owe Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs something like £8 billion in unpaid company tax, all you need to do is take the boss of HMRC out for a few swank dinners, and he'll say 'look just don't worry about it, it's cool, I know you're good for it, just get me back whenever bro".

What happens when you of me fail to pay tax? We get (rightfully) anally penetrated by the taxman. But if you're a big corporate? Whatever, it's cool dog.

its not what you know its who you dine (amazed he isn't a fat cunt)... great to see public servants working for their true masters

i didnt know that either...
and god know I know enough shit about who owns who.

Weird, I knew it was run by some religious organisation but had no idea that meant they weren't paying the fkn taxman :/

Yeah it's fucked up. I have no real problem with a church owning a for-profit business, but the business is a business and is run as such, with the church as the shareholder gaining the dividends, that's how it should work.

are we totally sure the business pays no tax?
I would've thought the business would have to pay tax as usual depending on its profits. then it pays a dividend to its shareholders who are the church. Normally under NZ tax law the shareholders wil receive an imputation credit from the tax paying business (if tax has been paid) meaning they dont have to pay tax on their dividend income. This is to prevent double taxation on the same profit, and is common and indeed equitable.

If the business doesnt pay tax (eg runs at a loss or has some wrtie-offs itself) but still pays a dividend then shareholders will have to declare and pay tax on that income. However as a relilgious organisation they may not be required to pay tax at that point

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitarium_Health_and_Wellbeing_Company

Tax exemptionDue to being owned by a christian religious organisation, in both Australia and New Zealand the Sanitarium companies do not pay company tax on their profits, something which has been questioned and is considered unfair for other competitors in the same market industry

Oh, and I also knew it was owned by the God Sqaud, but did not realise it meant they didn't pay taxes...that is highly fucked!

some enlighening reading on the NZ & Aus situation here - http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/the-god-dividend/

peat:

Something closer to your heart

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10777060

Pretty sure you're right if it were a publicly listed company. But it's a private company wholly owned by the church.

Anyone else go to a cupla hardhouse parties held in the warehouse next door to Sanitarium on Pah Rd - Mt Roskill??? Think there was at least 1 x "Industry" and maybe the other was a "Decadance" gig?....

I remember every time I went outside for a ciggie or whatever, I'd look at the Sanitarium signs, remember who owned it, and end up doubled over in hysterics at the irony...wonder if they ever realised there was a bunch of unworthy heathens roiling & gyrating to the devil's music on their doorstep?

Cereal is all shit anyway, eat real food :>

Haha.. Im pretty sure a few people went to at least one of the parties there... Revolver I think it was called

It was (maybe still is?) a recording studio which hosted many messy music filled nights and early morns

dammit Twagic wot are you talking about? 1st supermuff denounces fruit and now youre dismissing cereal? You new age health freaks are tilting my 40 years of learned! No fried, No bread, No fruit and now No Cereal!? What the hell am I supposed to have for breakfast? Carrots?

lol yeah. Funny how cereal is bad on one hand and on the other hand you have people buying hotcakes from maccas for brekky.

..Not sure I really conveyed the connection in my head there but... cbf explaining.

Yeah I went to one of those parties.. can't remember when or who was playing though!

Yeah, I have nfi what connection you're trying to draw there

Cereal is shit. Unless you make your own. But I don't eat dairy so don't see the point

not as bad as techno gigs INSIDE St Matthews-in-the-City

This. Run by the WORST and BIGGEST pack of wankers Ive ever encountered in my recording career.. One guy was convinced he was David Geffen and had Rick Ruben sitting next to him, waiting to streamline our sound and make us more listenable. Best decision I ever made was to laugh at these twerps as walk out.
"I tell you we know metal, we engineered Black Jack's album, and made the Dead Flowers"

wow, they must really know their shit.

Yeah, cause the Dead Flowers and Black Jack are sooooo metal.
(Dead Flowers got booed off the stage at the first Sepultura gig, they were only about five songs in :lol

yes, both metal and both hugely influential bands, lol.

haha, i remember seeing some nz act getting booed off stage at one of the big day outs.. on the main stage before one of the headline acts came on, think it was king kapisi.

Thats a bit rough, organisers should have thought that one out a bit better. He was one of the better acts to come out of the hip hop/diy recording explosion.

i remember bumping into him at code once, he was off his face.. had never met him before but he kept buying me drinks telling me "he loved me".. and that whatever i did in life, he'd be there watching over me

i wonder if he's watching me write this?

looool. mind you gotta say that's a bit rough too - dead flowers make for perfectly fine catchy pop music in the sun. but putting them in front of a sepultura crowd? that's just madness.

lol Davil...he is watching you.

Agree Kris, maybe the gig promoter wanted a bit of a laugh, and/or he hated the Dead Flowers. (Push Push probably said no to the gig)
We were pretty hard up for professional thrash metal bands at the time...everyone wanted to be in Push Push, and have names like "Silver".
It was pretty funny however seeing Brian (whats his name...cant remember...dont care) the singer giving the fingers while dodging flying beer cans!

^^stupid italics thingie didnt turn off....sorry.

Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to put Dead Flowers on before Sepultura?!?!

I remember Faith No More’s gig at The Show Grounds in Welly, Pumpkinhead as support, everyone getting pretty amped as they come out on stage…then I’m thinking “that’s not Pumpkinhead?!?!” and we get a “Hi, we’re the Dead Flowers, we just happened to be in town so were asked to warm things up”

Whole crowd basically stood there no moving, clapping, cheering nothing for the token 6 songs before PH got things cranking…was pretty funny, songs finish, complete silense…

I remember Pumpkin Head opening their Logan Campbell show, and they didnt go down too well.
Try opening for Slayer, bands turn down this invitation all the time. Similar to Motorhead in the 80's.

Maybe Welly had more of a following for Pumpkinhead coz they rocked it there...one of the better received opening acts for an international I've ever seen

Jakob open for Tool went down pretty well...a lot better than Shapeshifter did

I make a yum nutty crunch that you could have with almond milk if you want the recipe. Or you can eat it on it's own

Maestro- I still eat fruit, SMF prob denounced it for weight loss reasons (some camps say cut it right down due to sugars etc).

Yeah its interesting how I've been talking to my friend a lot about dietary stuff recently. She also avoids fruit.. and apparently Peas and Corn aren't good now, or carrots either:

"The rule with veges is, if it grows above ground, it's ok (and peas and corn do not count here as they are legumes and grains respectively!)"

" Rice is an occasional treat. Fruit has been reduced right down to once or twice a week in the form of berries or melon"

Then I realised her diet is entirely focused not on being healthy per say, but on losing weight.

I only eat food that's pure white.

except after labour day.

Yup thnaks Twaggy...I did some research after I saw your post, had pretty much no idea so many cereals were full of processed stuff. I never liked the sugary/clusters type ones anyway. Always buy Bran flakes and mix it with LightnTasty or something similair

I eat at least 2 bowls of cereal a day, had always assumed it was fine

You can pry my Coco Pops from my cold dead hands.

Edit: I actually rarely eat them. But still.

Nope, sounds like she is eating primally. Paleo and Primal eating do have their own 'diets' people do, but a lot of people jump on the bandwagon just to be more healthy.

I am similar with my eating now, except I'll still eat carrots (wtf), and any fruit in moderation.

Rice I was eating in the form of sushi, but won't be for the next month.

There's a massive thread on reddit somewhere with links to peer reviewed research on the benefits of cutting grains (before anyone jumps down my throat).

Well I think she really is focused on losing weight.. She gives me updates of her weight / measurements and even pisses on the ketosis kits regulary.

Oh yeah and now she thinks she has wheat aids

Haha sounds more like a ketogenic diet then :/ but the legumes thing sounds paleo-ish

How's the diet going love? Posted on the Domino's UK Facey B page:

*like* haha. So many people do that too.

I knew the SDAs were the owners, but not paying tax? Fuck off, surely not?! As a former SDA with absolutely nothing at all negative to say about them even I find that fucking reprehensible...

Weigh it and do the fucking maths, bitch!

Who the fuck says cereals are bad?!?! I KEEEEL YOU

Like me Light n Tasty, Just Right, Uncle Tobys 'Plus' range, museli's etc...yeah, I know some are high in sugars, and fats, and have some processed shit in them, but they're still packed full of whole grains and fibres and if you're not a fatty boom-sticks who needs to lose weight, s'all good, chow down

No. Cereal, apart from maybe oats.. is not a good breakfast.

Just like only eating "toast" for breakfast is not good for you.

See you fuckers are getting all wrong. Answer is Bacon. Simple. Eat it...it rules.

Actually my friend who doesn't like wheat, sugar or carbs is quite happy to eat bacon as it has none of those in large amounts apparently..

So.. she wont eat fruit, but bacon is fine?

yeah I'm looking to diversify. Still do smoothies but I might wind up dropping the protein powder which I imagine will be hard to replace nutrition-wise, but I'm a bit more relaxed.
Had cereal all this week though because I'm not at home. Not sure what it is, but I'm sure it's one of the better ones....?

Yeah and dear McDonalds please tell me the nutritional info for your big mac and large fries because I'm trying to fill out my diet log. wtf.

Really? With the cereal being so bad? My nurtritionist had me eating half a cup of special k + banana for breakfast. And then we decided to ditch wheat, so I moved to this Vogels one, which is mostly nuts and stuff. This is with a weight loss objective...

I guess it comes down to which cereal you choose, and how much of it you eat. Half a cup is pretty small.

Don't need to write to them, it's printed on the side of the box. HAH!

Most of it is full with sugar. Sugar = bad. My favourite cereal is all bran but the second ingredient on the list is sugar

Not just the sugar, but it's not substantial enough to replace everything you need replaced when you break the fast

So what do you have for breaky davil? If not cereal OR toast?

Cigarettes are the best breakfast.

Now I'm no davil, but I'll give you my options!

Plenty of options.. you could have a couple of eggs done how you like, with some spinach and kumara, maybe some meat if you're daring enough
Or make an omelette.
You could have a smoothie, with added powder if you are post or pre workout. And berries, bananas.
You could have fruit salad with unsweetened yoghurt.
You could have dinner leftovers if they consisted of lean protein and fats and some starchy carbs.
Protein pancakes with yoghurt to top.

I haven't had cereal or toast for a breakfast meal since about October and I feel so much better for it.

Right so cereal is out, buts eggs and kumara are in. Got it.

Don't fear the sugars, man...so long as it's not more than 5-10g per serve, big fucking deal...diet isn't the only key to losing weight, exercise plays just as big a role

What's so about that?

Eggs and kumara are whole natural foods that take longer for the body to digest. They both provide energy, eggs provide healthy sources of fat.

Cereal = processed. Nuff said

You can do a whoooole lot of reading on the new anti grain revolution too, but that's pretty detailed and I leave it to the experts

Actually as far as weight loss goes it's about 70/80% what goes in your mouth, and 20% exercise.

You can't out train a bad diet

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chilli beef and cheese pie ftw Tony !

Obviously, but I still think you're vilifying cereal a lot more than need be...we're not talking about McDonalds Quarter Pounders for breakfast here, we're talking about something which is often high in fibre, high-ish in protein and provides a fair whack of required whole grains...big deal if it's got a teaspoon or two of sugar...sugar is also something that's part of your RDI, just not large volumes of it.

And hey, fucked if I have the time on weekday mornings to make omlettes or poached eggs...fuck all people do

It's the grains not the sugar that's the problem I think...

If you're not gluten intolerant and you're not trying to shift decent amounts of weight, just have a healthy balanced diet, there is fucking NOTHING wrong with (certain) cereals...FACT

Again, only if intolerant or trying to shift weight...otherwise, whole grains and carbs make up part of a healthy diet...FACT

Wait so grains are a problem if you're trying to shift weight, but they're also part of a healthy diet?

confusing.

I'm too ignorant of the debate tbh... everyone (incl. nutritionists) seems to have different "facts" they bring to this debate.

Just laziness on my part really I suppose, but I don't really have the time to spend researching this extensively (who does?). I suspect most people just take these diet suggestions as matters of faith from people they trust. That's what I'd do heh...

If you want to actually read more on it, instead of just repeating what has been spoon fed to us for 20 or so years, there's a good thread here. Peoples opinions seem to be widely varied. I can only give my experience, which has been that I feel much BETTER since cutting grains.

http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/pd4nw/is_eating_grains_bad_for_us_is_a_paleo_diet/

Kumara, Spinach or last nights dinner for breakfast? That sounds like it will go down brilliantly at 6am!

supamaorifulla said no fruit! So that leaves omelettes, I suppose we're not allowed to pout anything delicious in them either. No mushrooms no salami no cheese....

I think I'll just stay fat tyvm

I eat packaged muesli I fricken love it though. I keep meaning to make my own but I am lazy. I am not ready to give up grains.

Fuck not eating fruit buddy You would cut down fruit intake if you're seriously wanting to lose weight.

Hey I have been trying dinner for breakfast on the odd occasion. It's just like eating dinner...at breakfast. NBD :>

ps. learn to make scrambled eggs in the microwave, then time is no issue

I'll send you my recipe. Takes sweet fuck all time to make and will last you a good 1 or 2 weeks You can make it on a sunday!

strong coffee complimented with a ciggie or two is my breakfast of champions

repeated several times before leaving the house

saves having to save for ones retirement

Good, I can feel your anger. The pie is defenseless. Take your bite. Swallow it down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!

Well, for some people, yes...grains = carbs and carbs = bad for some peoples ability to lose weight...I don't buy into it personally, but that's probably coz I've never needed to shift weight and I'm fucking addicted to carbs

I hate to pick on the poor girl but this just popped up:

Sugar is cyclic hydrocarbon, fat is straight chain hydrocarbon. If you were to refine your fat ass down enough you could run your car on the deposits. Want to lose weight, cut sugar (carbs) and fat. But don't skip on protein and vitamines. Most of which you can only really get in foods high in both fat and carbs. Go figure.

Get fat, die happy.

Hey Minxie, if you want a serously healthy and delicous breakfast.. have a fruit smoothy with protein.

I have mine with, a little bit of water, a banana, frozen berries, yoghurt, two scoops of chocolate protein powder.. and sometimes a egg. It seriously is delicious once you get all the measurements correct, and gives you everything you need. Even if you're not pre or post work out the protein is essential.

If not that, then before i was celiac i used to have oats. Just oats, with water, mix honey and frozen berries through it. Put that in the microwave, then once it's cooked add banana. Actually tastes really nice, not as nice as the protein shake though.

This! also a lot healthier than using the fry pan with oil.

Unless you're using coconut oil which is actually good for you
http://www.organicfacts.net/organic-oils/organic-coconut-oil/health-benefits-of-coconut-oil.html

excellent! thanks tragic.

ffs!! bleeeeeuuuukkkkk!!
Whats the fucking point?!? Nuked eggs? and Davil you cook you scrambled eggs with oil?!?!!

use butter you slim fools