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So....for kinyears ive been argueing with biggie haterz that ChrisR is in fact NZ's top sports journo, with a penchant for telling it how it is....while adding a bit of hyperbole to fool some into hating him

Kinda reminds me of Clint Eastwoods UNFORGIVEN ya know

anyway....lets look at his latest offering shall we gummi/dalai/grinda/other CR critics.... please do tell which parts you dont like


Its a bit CNP so I'll just link


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10599966&pnum=3
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Chris Rattue obviously didn't watch the Chiefs in the Super 14, and has obviously never seen Sivivatu, Laaueki, and Masaga decimate other team's defences...

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Name the rugby side that is saying "we'll show you what this game is all about." Name the rugby side (or even player) of today who you might still be talking about in 20 years' time for any other reason than victories. Pick the last time you saw a rugby player charging around in open field, like Michael Jones or John Kirwan or Christian Cullen, like league superstars Jarryd Hayne or Billy Slater, like the way we dreamed about in the playgrounds of our childhood.

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Codpiece while I like the Chiefs, they still don't score 4-5 tries a game, every game

Masaga, Sivivatu etc just aren't as devastating as they should be. It's because of smothering defences

I think Rokocoko's career shows it perefectly... something like 26 tries in his first 20 games and 19 in his next 40 or so.

Blame defences, not him.

You look at the NPC in 2005, or even 2007, and it was free flowing brilliance. The fucking ELVs RUINED RUGBY SO MUCH

Why? I'll tell you why... a team that takes the ball INTO a ruck/maul should be given a little preference. Because it's only with continuity that you get good attcking rugby. Right now it's too easy to make a small mistake and ruin any continuity that existed.

Another problem is that plenty of our best players have been taken overseas.

I mean Auckland has lost a shitload of great backs
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The breakdown is the huge problem.

Top sport is about contesting for the ball. In league, you get six tackles - six "goes" at doing something, then you hand the ball to the other guys so they can have a shot.

In union, far to much depends on the referee. some Referees will allow a contest for the ball, some won't but all will award penalties for often trifling technicalities, which given the power of modern defense means everyone is terrified to play rugby. Instead, they boot the ball down the field to get the ball out of goal kicking range.

And you have to look at the success of those serial cheats the Springboks to see how poorly the offside is policed by referees.

Here are three ideas from left field - how about in rugby union, apart from the tackler only forwards are able to take part in the ruck? This would reduce the pile up at ruck time and force teams to commit forwards to the ruck... And how about making the offside line 5m behind the hindmost foot from a ruck, that would give the attacking team a bit more time. And finally, I would pick my referee's as a unit of three who always work together as a unit, and let the assistant referees penalise sides for offside. Just some ideas.
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Heh, he's only saying what us leagies have been saying for years. Thing is Maestro, I agree with him often. That's not why I hate him.

Next week or in a couple of weeks or next year he'll deliver an article full of spite and hate towards the NRL and he'll go on about how awesome rugby is and that will be perfectly normal of Rattue to go careening off to the other end of the opinion spectrum because that's what he does. He inflames for the sake of inflaming. To him, a vitriolic pasting is more important than reasoned opinion. That's why I hate him.

No consistency. Just controversial headlines to sell papers.
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Agreed dalai, he's the Winston Peter's of journalism, no actual views or opinions just story of the week controversial crap to sell papers.
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Look at the bttom of the article dalai, you can email Chris and apologize your your insolence! Wink Razz

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Chris Rattue writes that the $500 million Rugby World Cup shortfall accurately represents where power and privilege lie in NZ.

Expand John Key at the 2011 Rugby World Cup ticket sales announcement. Photo / Richard RobinsonA simple and sincere "thanks" would help.

Because that's what the rugby chiefs owe the rate and taxpayers of New Zealand. Big time.

A New Zealand Herald story estimates that New Zealand will spend $1.2 billion on investments for this year's World Cup, and reap $700m in return.

The validity of these numbers is open to question of course, especially the one involving the returns. There are many ways to evaluate the returns, ways that would produce many different returns. An argument could be mounted that the long-term gains will be higher, or not. An economics professor puts the gain at a paltry $150 million.

One thing is certain - we were sold a pup so massive that it is a dog.

In 2005, when the tournament was awarded to New Zealand, the Treasury estimated that in a "worst-case scenario" $70 million of public money would be needed. Instead, the public bill - if you regard lotteries money as part of the public purse - will be between $600 million and $900 million. This is a scandalous rort that is being talked down through a retrospective construction of benefits that are not even backed by evidence beyond vague references to national brand building.

Shouldn't someone in the Treasury be sacked? Or maybe the department was misled. Surely a Treasury estimate that was so wrong needs to be analysed through a public inquiry, so we can find out who said what to whom in the name of our money.

It's rugby's sense of entitlement that sticks in the craw, as well as the way it is allowed to run riot over real New Zealand.

The whole country has been forced to bend over backwards, financially. In the process Auckland - under time pressure - threw good money after bad at Eden Park.

Don't you love the precise cost-benefit terminology the rugby acolytes pull out when they need to?

"It's way bigger than anything we've done before," said World Cup Minister Murray McCully, while throwing in jargon like "brand building" and "legacy values".

And actually, 30-odd years ago a National Administration embarked on something way bigger, a project called Think Big, which cost an estimated $7 billion. But that's another story.

RWC chief Martin Snedden points to the intangible benefits (as it was described in reported speech) of having "really extensive worldwide media coverage and television coverage".

He may be right, he may be wrong.

Considering the extraordinary amount of money that we, the citizens, are putting in, Snedden might try harder to make the intangible tangible.

Prime Minister John "Sporty Spice" Key will relish the RWC's photo opportunities, but there is a bigger picture.

Come on troops ... stop pulling our leg. You are a bunch of rugby heads looking after your own tribe.

Those who reap such great rewards tend to represent the same club - white, middle-class, middle-aged males (think Hollywood film makers, inveterate America's Cup yachties and the rugby honchos).

Meanwhile, rugby league - for instance - shuffles along in an outdated stadium in Penrose. There is an army of motor racing fans without the facilities to match their enthusiasm. The youth of today (and the not so youthful) aren't rugby obsessed and many prefer the waves and slopes and flying through the air for their kicks. But they are lucky to get a mound of concrete for their benefit in a local park.

Here's an idea with long-term benefits: Let's use public money to build a "boutique" stadium for league, a sport that has a major following among those who have traditionally been excluded from the exclusive club. It could double as a soccer stadium, catering to another major sport.

After years of having Government institutions and employees - namely schools and teachers - actively working for rugby and against the interests of league, the 13-a-side code deserves a make-up call from the taxpayer.

As a business, rugby is veering towards the gurgler. The national body struggles to make ends meet, some provincial unions are in major strife, and recently reported television figures suggest the fan base is dwindling outside of test matches.

Rugby is banking on the World Cup for a rebirth. In other words, ratepayers and taxpayers are propping up a flailing, perhaps failing, business.

When league struck problems, it faced an investigation before Sparc funding continued with provisos. When rugby struck problems, it was handed a nationwide billion-dollar World Cup investment with no strings attached.

League was portrayed as inept. Rugby is portrayed as a victim of outside (overseas) forces, the same ones that crushed league in this country decades earlier.

Many of us still thrill to rugby's great battles, are in awe of the remarkable players this country produces, and revel in reflecting on its place in our history. I am not a rugby naysayer - the game is still a massive part of my life.

Times are changing, though, drastically.

Rugby remains the national sport, but its exalted place in New Zealand life is no more. The black jersey has an aura, but in the age of professionalism, it is a commodity.

I'm sick of having rugby's myths jammed down my throat and now its hand stuck in my wallet.

This isn't, as the RWC mob likes to claim, a country of four million rugby fans. Like every country, we are a place of diverse interests. There are actually people hellbent on getting out of the country during the tournament.

The money being spent on this World Cup is completely out of whack except that it accurately represents where power and privilege lie. Rugby has pulled a fast one and got away with it, thanks to friends in high places. At least the game should say thanks instead of hurling the dummy pass of intangible benefits at us.

By Chris Rattue | Email Chris
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Even a broken clock gets it right twice a day. You know my opinion of this guy.

He is a fucken parasite that loves to jump on the bandwagon and jump off agin as soon as the road starts gettting bumpy. FUCK HIM.

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Laughing
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Actually I think I already put it quite well in my post a year ago. Razz
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Anyone read the Chris Rattue article yesterday on the Anzac Test? Once again proving he obviously does not even watch rugby league...(writing off JT and Darren Lockyer saying they're over the hill!)
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Yeah h mae a few mistakes in hat article, I noticed another but camnt quite remember what it was

Cant be awesome all the time! Deadlines etc Smile
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oops typos sent before proofing

Found the bit i didnt like, saying Foran and Marshall are possibly our best ever halves combo? Foran is way too unproven to compare to Filipina/Friend

Potentially > possibly
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grinder said:
Anyone read the Chris Rattue article yesterday on the Anzac Test? Once again proving he obviously does not even watch rugby league...(writing off JT and Darren Lockyer saying they're over the hill!)


Not quite, he was looking for possible weaknesses in the Aussie backline and he said Lockyer was "on tired legs" and JT was an enigma. That's not entirely untrue.

Here I am defending Rattue. What the honest fuck is wrong with me. :-/
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The implication that the Aussies are even slightly weak at 6 & 7 is a joke! They are two of the very best players from this generation of rugby league and they are both in amazing form right now, and they're both big game players too...he's probably right about Inglis though, and Billy Slater who does seem to have some kind of complex about playing Kiwi teams!
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Yeah but he set it up with the story about how he was refused entry into the Kiwi dressing rooms because he was honest abotu what he thought of their chances. There he was looking for positives so if the Kiwis did win, he wouldn't be barred from entry to do the post match interviews. It was kinda tongue in cheek.

Or at least that's how I read it. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit...
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mate the reason you hate Rattue so much is simple, Its all based in your 1st impressions. He used to berate the Kiwis the warriors and league in general.

But at the time...he was right, think of the bumbling Tanui (sp) and ARL ownership of the warriors, not to mention management clowns like Monie, Robson and Watson. The Warriors never stood a chance of winning the NRL with those fools. The kiwis were also diabolical and the NZRL once hired a CEO that wanted to put a team in the Superleague ffs Laughing

Now league has its house in order, he gives props where due...and gets on the case of the NZRU..which you like, but now your confused Pink Winky

As I keep saying. rattue tells it like it is almost 100% of the time..... its the hyperbole that angers you, not the facts
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That's fair. I'm just one of those people who call a cunt a cunt. Razz