taking the U.S. serious in the dance scene??????

well i was just looking through the other boards, and it made me remember something that my friends and i were talking about once. americans and the dance scene. i and my friends just cant seem to take them seriously. i look at them and cant help but role my eyes. they're trying to attempt to do something that to them is a biscuit, yet they're trying to make into a cup of tea (nice metaphor ha?). ok i need an example to back me up. well take the two movies human traffic and fuck it, i cant rememeber the name of it. u know the "american" version of human traffic. it had a guest appearance with john digweed in it. but n e way. i looked at their lil version and couldnt help but laugh. as well as forwarding half the movie, to find something good. it was terrible. it was kinda like dawson's creek's special on dance parties. if u didnt see it that girl with the blond hair who used to go out with pacey dropped an e, and had an epileptic fight. woopsey, gone a bit far from my main point. to me the states = movies, rock and hollywood. i just think they should stick to something they know and are good at, glamour.

Movies and Music.. US Style..

Apparently NSync have done a movie due to be released soon. Well.. two of the guys from NSync. The review said that they had to cut the only sex scene from the movie to make it more palatable and fit with the groups image.

I rest my case!

pfftt americans will never get it, the majority of US club culter is based around stupid kids running round off their nut on K, E and all other crap running throught their bloodstreams, rich little white kids tryen to tell us they are in it for the music, whilst their whole nigght is ruined becuse their tickle me elmo has ran out of batteries, Filthy fucken candy ravers!,

The only REAL music scene alive in US is its House, Undergorund hip hop, detroit techno scene and booty bass genres and the growing DnB scene, outside of that you are back to fucktards with foam letters stuck to their head, drooling over their new pokemon doll....


EZ

Danjah

I think america has a good underground scene you just dont see it cos its ...underground. The stuff you do see is the candy ravers, mainstream shit.

And your surprised a movie from america was shit? i cant think of the last american movie that i enjoyed.

That scene in GO (i think?) with the nutter holding the toy fish kinda sums it up for me when the guy takes the fluro pen and rights FREAK on his arm heheh.

danjah....
you just summed up a good proportion of the
auckland scene as well
"stupid kids running round off their nut on K, E
and all other crap running throught their
bloodstreams, rich little white kids tryen to tell
us they are in it for the music,........, "

The American movie name is: Groove

thank u zebedee. i knew it was something along those lines, starting with g that is. i kept thinking go, but i knew that wasnt it. but yeah, did that movie have a story line to it??? cause i couldnt work the thing out. my favourite part was wen that girl found out her boyfriend was gay. classic!

but glad to see everyone agrees with me.

Yeah Danjah. You summed it up perfectly.

I remember hearing about how america had just picked up on 'electronica' through the prodigy and fat boy slim thinking "They have absolutely no fucking clue'. That whole candy raver thing is just stupid and yet the American media cover it like it was the be-all and end-all.

Of course, seeing Mark Farina changed that perception for me.

As Eddie Amador said on B, the states is about hip hop and to a lesser extent (these days) rock. The dance scene is relatively small. He quoted some statistic about how Mateo and Matos sell as many albums in New Zealand as they do in the states. Blood ridiculous when you think about it.

Bullshit about him playing his mix of "Superstlyin'" being the world premiere though. It was available from Satelite a month before he arrived in NZ!

I think a lot of the dance music culture is built around the drugs. In the states, their 'sound' reflects their use of coca, heroin, speed as a core basis.. Whereas in NZ and UK we tend to prefer the more 'euphoric' drugs such as E and, umm, E I love how the americans have that candy raver thang going, I think it's really cool when people get really involved, wear costumes and all go out of their way to be over-friendly (I think this is the only way to keep the scene from going all snob-ish like people are complaining about in other threads.) You can never take any one representation as the 'grail' for any one country, especially in the states, the country is huge. I think it's kind of a dumbass thing to say actually, haha! As a rule though I've noticed the american sound tends to be more related to the venue, rather than the venue to the sound if that makes sense. Gay clubs play diva house only etc. One could say the american scene is more about the people than the music. But then, again, this is only a rule and not always effective!





Jems

Hey cool! Someones disagreed with me!

Jeremy, I wasn't saying that hip hop 'represents' the States. Just that *when you compare the dance scene* to the rest of the music industry in the States, its tiny. Thats no reflection on the quality of the American dance scene. Its a reflection of the *fact* that most people in the States prefer something else - Eminem or Korn or Mariah Carey for example.

As for the media coverage of dance culture in the US, my irritability isn't directed so much at the candy ravers (thats just me being old and cranky) but the media themselves and the political agenda they pursue. Inevitably their footage shows some 'far out' looking kids in the desert, twirling fire sticks, dancing around like injuns because they *know* what buttons those images push in the minds of paranoid lawmakers and right-wing politicians and conservative religious groups.

And whadya know? The States have begun to crack down (as they did in the UK) on illegal crackdens... oops I mean raves and 'dance music paraphenalia'. Its the way that the media is complicit in the weakening of civil liberties that pisses me off.

"Inevitably their footage shows some 'far out' looking kids in the desert, twirling fire sticks, dancing around like injuns"

The Burning Man festival perhaps?

Haha, Burning Man festival *wierd*


I wasn't actually referring to your comment Trans, I was aiming more toward someone saying that 'All the american scene is, is a bunch of idiots dressing in flouro etc etc etc' waaaay up the thread I didn't disagree with anything you had to say, just someone else being so black and white..

Probably Dave. The footage I'm thinking of was in the Nevada desert. It was in Wired magazine and you know how whacky those cats are!

Yeah, sorry about that Jeremy. Was taking things FAR too seriously on Saturday. Ex-girlfriend stuff.

Americans are straight out fucked anyways

touch has finaly made it. I think that you can't really comment on usa's dance scene because without them we would still be singing `Bliss'(Nice & Urlich mix). Yes the candy rave scene is the public face at the moment but you wouldn't categorise NZ's scene as being solely trancers/hh would you. Personally most of the music and DJs I love come from the US, so if they are making it there they must be playing it there, and if they are playing it there people must be listening there.

Word touch, how can you not take the US scene seriouslly, yeah fare enough there is alot of what you call candy ravers, and the huge growth in popularity of guido house is chessy. Look to the underground, real underground, not the prissy who you know what you wear underground, real people real music.
Example NYC Shelter(gone now at the expense of the commercial shit, but no party compares in NZ)
Body and Soul-sundays,
Deep Sea with Lola and guests -Tuesdays.
Wednesdays-Dance Ritual with Little Louis Vega, kenny D and guests-this week eve of souls party with Tony Humphries and David Moralaes and Vega.
Thursadys Subliminal Sessions at centro fly, brings outer town DJs-dimitri carter Rivera etc-also Nutz on thursadys with Tony Humphries as well as Giant Step Sessions with Ron Trent.
Fridays-undeground collective with Yellorange crew and guests, Bang the Party with Lola and E-Man.
Saturdays-Nu lite with Franky feliciano and guests.
Compare that to a week back there?
Yeah the mainstream over here don't have a clue, and there is a huge mainstream, but thats cool don't want the mainstream any way.
Peace.

Totally flavourflav (you must be the nz version with the "u" in flavor!). What I didn't say in my post was that while the Americans themselves might consider the dance scene to be small, its still absolutely gigantic compared to NZ! Imagine line-ups like the one you mentioned above one every night! Fuck yeah!

The American idea of being a raver - wearing doctors masks and sucking dumbies if you ask me they look like knob stretchers

well dont get me wrong im not overly fond of americans ..but to say they dont know anything about dance scene is a real miscarriage of justice so to speak ..there are numerous fucken brilliant Djs that come from the states and if you dont realise that then maybe you are stuck on the LAGERED albums and dont realyy know your shit..hahahahahahahaa..or your thinking abiout all the manufactured BOGUS POP that they produc
please someone tell me if im wrong...but isnt the greatest dj ever mr danny Tenaglia...american.. and Vasquez..and as far as house goes Dj Garth the cd i got a while ago is very nice indeedy!!!
so lets remember people it doesnt pay to generalise cause when we do we usually start getting ourselves into deep shit...at least thats what ive learnt in life!!

Morpheus, Larry Levan is the best dj ever and he is from new york, closely followed by Lil Louis Vega also from new yorkask Mr tenaglia he'll confirm.

Touch not that I ever had the privilidge of hearing Larry Levin, I heard that it was not really his technical skills that drove the crowd, his song selection ie not being afraid to throw any thing in the mix. There are alot of talented DJs across different genres, I don't really like which way Tenaglia has leaned towards-Tech House, but later in his sets he gets really deep and play great classic house, genious DJ. Then you got Tony Humphries love his sound and skills Jersey style. Frankios K does amazing tribal type house. Different DJs have differnt sounds and styles, hard to get into battles over who's the best and what not.
Personally my list in no order---Humphries, Frankios K, Dereck Carter, little louis vega, Oslunde.

Just in case you wanted to

A proposed bill in California making it an offense to "use" or "be under the influence of" of MDMA has been shelved. The bill was proposing a minimum sentence of 90 days for anyone convicted of using or being under the influence of MDMA

and...

There is also another article which i can't find right now, but they shut down some clubs using a law that makes it illegal to permit the use of drugs on your premises (originally used for crackhouses), to shut down clubs. Evidenence that the NY police used,

1. They allowed people to hug and touch each other
2. They played music with a repetitive drum beat, which is associated with drug culture
3. The presence of glow stick, and dummys. Also signs of drug use.
4. Bottled water
5. Chillout areas.

Steps that have been taken, for New York raves in the future, NO glowsticks, NO chillout areas allowed

(P.S according to Gray who ownes Staircase, The Twilo (NY legendary club) is just a big crappy shed, but then again apparently so is the Republic the home of Gatecrasher, i suppose it's all really about the music and not the decor)

(This is turning into a wankfest)

Twilo was overpacked to the max, they had there own ambulance crew throwing drug fucked kids in a room till they were privatelly taken to hospital, place had a sick sound system but owners were too money hungry, too many raver type glow stickers , brought international DJs to a city where the mainstream dos'nt really understand the calibre of there own DJs, Paul Okenfeld is more widely known than there own DJs? I support the no glow stick and dunny shit.
wank wank wank.

Flav, if it's a list you want it would be difficult but tech skills is a very small part of it, it doesn't matter how good at mixing you are if you play shit tunes you suck. For tech skills you have to go to the techno guys like Richie hawtin. I like garage so you see where I'm coming from, Mr Hawtin is from Canada via Detroit, not so far from the subject after all

Glowstix, face masks, snow-goggles and scream masks...... Do I take them seriously??? hmmmm

Detroit baby is where alot of the underground scene is at - Carl Craig, Richie Hawtin, Josh Wink etc...
New York and San Fran also have a great underground scene.
Remember that these movies are mainstream and they will use mainstream, acceptable dance music. Nothing too edgey that is going to alienate the audiences.

Is Richie Hawtin coming to NZ soon! God I would cream my pants to see him again - I think he's playing somewhere in London this weekend.