State of the Union address

I guess we all know by now that Bush feels he is the world's judge jury and executioner when it comes to "global terror networks" but really, I think he is pushing water up a very steep hill...

From CNN: "President Bush will name Iran, Iraq and North Korea as nations that have armed and aligned themselves with terrorist groups around the world."

So I guess this means that we have a nice group of nations gathering to form some sort of world division like in WW1/2? What exactly does he intend to do to rid these countries of their terrorist groups? I can't see the governments agreeing to doing anything, nor can I see the US being able to bust in and create a few new governments left right and centre. Since the US seems to hold the view that you are either "on their side" or are a rebel terrorist, this really seems to be forcing the world into a divided set of nations, mostly by race / religion.

What the hell is he on? Is the only difference between him and GB senior the W in the middle?

But he doesn't name Ireland as being
associated with terrorism?
(nothing against Ireland, but they do have the
IRA)

Bush is, was, and always will be, a yokel from
out the back of the American Wops.
This is an international lynch mob, good ole
down-home Southern-Style.

I read today there had also been a town in Florida that had banned Satan from their fine community. Apparently it was a decree from the mayor in response to all the evil that has happened.
Now that's strange...

thepurpleollie: true, but arent the IRA disarming mmm?

best of luck to dubya I say, should be funny watching him try to clean up the world (with Colin Powell working hard to try and keep the allies happy)

Actually borinscary, I have to admit, I haven't
been home for a 6oclock news in quite
sometime. The IRA could be disarming for all I
know.
*must remember to know my shit before I post*

rando: That division has been there for yonks, it just seems more obvious now. Why do you think we use the term "western country" so often? Has been around for ages.

Dubya's goal is a good one. It'd be 'nice'. But if he has to destroy half the world to do it, that's another issue.

I'll examine this on a case by case basis, but I don't know what other action by the US I'd support.

The ACLU is bringing a case against the town that banned satan, insisting they publicly withdraw the decree, and that the mayor puts an amount of money into the town fund. Seperation of chruch and state, and all.

It DOES kinda scare me that America seem to be announcing, 'you dirty fuckers are next'. Perhaps there are better ways of going about it. Anyway, it's no secret that Iraq want Americans as dead as the Americans want the Iraqis, so that's hardly a pair of opposing forces that could be made more clear. I was under the impression North Korea was becoming friendlier to bits of the world it hasn't traditionally been towards, but I don't know. I guess I got that all wrong.

eight: Yeah, I get what you're saying - it concerns me too.

Dubya is just basically saying: "you guys have got some work to do to prove you're not harbouring terrorist activity". A bit of a "clean up yo' act" call perhaps? I just wonder what comes next....

Admittedly, I've only heard soundbites of the adress. Anyone know where I can get a full transcript? From what I heard, it seemed less like a 'hey, you guys, sort out your terrrorist shit or we'll come do some sorting of our own', than a 'we're gonna come deal to you, because that's the only way it'll work.' Still, will 'warning' Iraq and their ilk do much in their attitude towards America? No. Not a bit. Will bombing the fuck out of all and sundry work? No, probably not. Something's gotta be done, though.

Hey they don't name ireland, because irish people are white, god man are you stupid or something 1 white western person is worth at least 100 mud people.

Do the maths, how many people died in sep 11 well at more than a 100 times less than the amount of children that have died in iraq because of poorly directed sanctions.

White people are more valuable, all dirty mud people can do it make shit for dirt cheap that can be sold on for heaps of money to nice white western people.

Yeah, nice work there neil. *sighs*

I agree that the Iraqian sanctions have not worked properly, but consider the counterfactual - and then, instead of being destructive, give me a better solution. Or would you have Iraq building vast amounts of nuclear and biological weapons?

Come on, tell me how to stop Iraq building nuclear weapons and attacking over countries (Kuwait-style) without affecting the people of Iraq. It's not as clear-cut as you like to make it sound.

Ireland has probably not been named because although there is terrorist activity IN ireland, the IRA is NOT government sanctioned, and there has been considerable effort to reduce terrorism there, including the power-sharing government (which may or may not currently be in disarray?) and amnesties/disarmament etc.

Bush is naming 'obstructive' countries who encourage or turn a blind eye to terrorism.

an interesting thought I read:
If Timothy McVeigh took down the world trade towers, would the US bomb Michigan?

I think it's all about the colour of their skin rather than the content of their character (now where have I heard that?)

Timothy McVeigh acted alone (supposedly).

no doubt he had some sort of "followers" though

Those kinds of simplistic suggestions are silly, because they bear no relation to what they are being compared to. A small group of fanatics internally is a lot different to a large multi-national group with lots of resources, being sponsored by an entire country. Vastly, vastly different!

yes, this is true...but the amount of anti-government sentiment within the US is still high enough to be something to worry about

wft? do you even know what the gulf war was about.

American went off the go protect the freedem loving peoples off Kuwait my ass, Kuwait is a absolute moncarchy.... freedom my ass dictartorship more like it, but a dictorship that is on friendly terms with the US, a bit like pinochet was in chile, (btw 2000 people died there as a result of CIA interference). You see, there is this big oil field that spans underground both Iraq and kuwait. Most of it is in Iraq, kuwait was taking the oil, which was really rightfully Iraq, so Iraq did something about it, not saying it is right or condoning it just saying it happened, at if they wanted to fight it out then the US should have left them alone, instead of letting it's greed get in the way which is exactly what happened.



They was to solve this, is simply to change people's attitudes towards to US. The arab world are not big scary and evil, they are just reacting to decades of abuse from the west. The time now is for everyone to come together, and for the US to realise what they have done, it's time for the peole of the US, to stop being high and mighty iggnorant fuck wits and to see what there government has done on their behalf. The thing about their beloved democracy is that the people can directly be held responsible for their government. It will take a change in US foriegn policy to stop the violence, the "war on terrorism" will never end until everyone is dead, that's every single living person of the face of the planet, because you can't kill an idea, there will always be someone that will pick it up. Stop them being angry at the west, that is how you'll will stop them, they can continue fighting the US, because they have good reasons, take away their reasons, its as simple as that.

sorry i didn't proof read, that, when i get a little fired up i just type and hope it makes sense. It would take a proper inperson discussion for me to fully make my views clear

blah. *shakes head*

The yanks were the biggest funders of the IRA. The US government didnt give a toss about that whilst there US dollars blew up us pommes. I should know i lost count of the number of times i`ve been evacuated by bomb scares and was unlucky enough to be sitting on my bike in Whitehall when they tried to blow up Downing Street. Where was the yanks war on terrorism then? Don`t forget that the only terrorist attack in NZ was conducted by an alleged allie....the French.
i`m voting neil armstrong for world president.
Voiceinsideyou remember the 2nd world war hitler tried to bomb and starve the Uk into defeat. Didn`t work made the pommes hate hitler even more. Same applies to the Iraqi sanctions killing civilians doesnt overthrow governments.