South Auckland Crime Problem - For the liberals

So there've been six murders in three months in the area and countless assaults.

OK. Here's a solution for the leftie-liberals who think that something called "cultural dislocation" and "post-colonialism" is the reason for this.

They estimate 200-odd street gang members, largely of Polynesian and Maori descent. The solution seems simple - re-education camps.

Put them at Waiouru. Fill them with tribal elders and the like, fence them, make sure there's plenty of security from the Army next door. Have the kids up at 6am and learning about their cultural roots until night time. Have them kept busy all the time.

After six months, release them. If they reoffend - jail.

yeah, but when they get out they'll soon find that there is no respect for their cultural

and that will just lead to problems again..

you also need to change society for your plan to actually work

I dispute that. I think if they're given a grounding in their culture they'll move away from the gangsta/black american attitudes they've taken onboard.

the 200 odd gang members are but a small part of the problem

you might via your propsed methods help some of them Vads, but you've done nothing to change the circumstances that effects these people that lead them to choose a gang styled lifestyle as opposed to something you'd prefer they choose

a grounding in their own culture only helps if that culture can then provide everything that is now perhaps lacking in their lives - which it won't, though it may go some way to lessening the attraction of being in a gang

I'd go one step further, it could possibly have the opposite effect, they might feel even more alienated than they already do. Then were would they be?

Unless there is ongoing access and support to cultural areas, this system would be fairly tempoary at best.

Why not just round them up and shoot them like in South America?

Something you share no?

Would be effective, but the public backlash would be counterproductive. You would have to trickle-feed a few through the sanitation squads at a time, and even then some bright spark at the Herald would probably notice a pattern.

Modern media coverage makes effective counter-criminal sweeps difficult.

There are bright spark jurnos at the herald
hehe

I say, instead of killing or punishing them, lets turn them into a militia, and send them on peace keeping missions. Get plenty of sun, exercise and discipline!

And put them in situations where they can learn skills and garner attitudes which make them much much much more dangerous when they return home.

I like the idea of rounding them all up. Backlash is easily prevented - don't tell anyone. If their family complain to the media etc just threaten the media - run that story and we'll round you up with them too.

Simple fix with little that can go wrong really.

*NOT*

Rob W

haha... 'cultural roundups' are definitely the solution to crime stats.

further separation and alienation from the state and general public is EXACTLY what young, impoverished Maori and PI kids need.

white kids commit crime in south auckland too.



gc.

SMF, the white kids get lined up and shot. No forgiveness for them.

:>

haha... fair enough then.

^_^

gc.

The army knows that these 'social misfits' are more capable of handling violence and emotional seperation that war brings about, so we just keep em in the field until they die eh? At least they won't crack under the mental strain like most people.

Or send em to camps, get some docs to start trying to figure out what's wrong with them physically, and put badges on them to protect 'normal' people.

Send them to camps but make them boot camps.

Their culture is primitive and collectivist... hardly the sort of thing that will stop a pattern of gang offending.

Sounds just like Parliament there liberate.

lol



gc.

Maybe we should start a Biggie vigilant gang to run the streets of South Auckland!
It really is a shame that Nazi Germany didn't make it down this far they would have gassed them!

Maybe Compulsory Military Training would help to avoid situations like this.

maybe it will give them hand to hand fighting skills that will allow them to kick ass more efficiently thus reducing the use of weapons and reducing the deaths to mere hospitalization

Just out of interest - how many of you are either from South Auckland, or are activly involved with South Auckland?


Hang on a moment... let me look out the window... no... not gang members on the streets here...

Lets see... no... infact the place looks kinda nice on the whole... obviously a little downbeat, but then you would have to expect that from the lower social economic enviroment down here... mind you... it does keep the workers under control doesnt it...

You know... growing up in 'South Auckland' - I never had a single issue - in fact, the worst fights I was involved with were either in Remuera or over the Shore...

Heres a little observation as well... I could/would/do walk around at night in the middle of Mangere, and not see a single patrol car.

I was in Takapuna last week... in the back streets, and was passed by two patrol cars within five minutes... just cruzing the streets... I wonder if that might be a reflection on anything...

surely not...

It IS hard to get a good coffee down here. I will give you that.

Just to call you up on something you seem to be hinting at.

Theres more cops in south auckland than northshore - the reason you would have seen them in takapuna is because thats where the police station is. I can go for weeks without seeing a cop car on the NS.

That would be why they are roaming around back streets?

What I am hinting at, is that South Auckland seems to get a hell of a lot of bad press, compared to other 'more civialised' places...

Could be something to do with the beatings, and the murders, and the cops saying that south auckland is a extremely difficult place to police. NS police deal with DIC, Drunken teen parties and burglaries.

Im not saying south auckland is the only area that has violence or that the streets are hugely dangerous but compared to other places in _this_ country it aint no picnic either.

Of course south auckland is a large place so just like any area you'll have good parts and dangerous parts.

true that

Does anybody know the ratio of Men Vs. Women in S. Auckland?

Why??...well i watched a doco the other week about place in china where the ratio is so out of balance that the are feeling the effects now in termsof crime. Really quite interesting.

So i want to see if maybe there is some correlation between these findings and S. Auckland.

I know its not the sole cause but fuel to the fire maybe?...

...in which casen i think discounted brothels might fix the crime wave.....he he he LOL....or maybe subsidised brothel visits.

there are placse like this for Maori,and as for the ather P.I's send them back to there island.

well there sould be south is way bigger than the shore

We could go on and on but the issue is how do we solve this bullshit? My ex missus brother, 16 addicted to crack (p crack that is), steals, been arrested countless times, tagging, always in fights, has gangs after him, has friends died from od'ing blah the list goes on i cant even remember all the stuff he gets up to.

The parents are beside themselves on what to do, if they dont let him go out, he will simply tell them to get fucked. What can you do with these people? They get arrested and sent home the same day to pay a few fines.

We need some sort of program to sort these kids out!

Its called "Compulsory Military Training" :p or CMT!

<i> Hay let me put use all str8 okay. I Live in South Auckland. Thats my hood nd turf and aint nada gonaa change hea okay. thats waht use gta get nd mate ,theas more then 200 gang members throughout south auckland ,its crazy . AND what use dont know that ,little kids from the age ov 12 nd up are smoking p ,nd standing on the corners for gangster ,pimps. south auckland is hood ,gangster . use think its algud . all my homies are wantd but they still manage to get away from the police ! nd thats foreal. Prison aint gonna change us. no1 is!

Im down with this guy, half price for a brother, to bad i made the move to aus already earning 1000 per week sweeping floors, can afford that shit now haha