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Being released here tomorrow, how many of you will be lining up in the long cues to get your hands on one? Or will you wait for a while and see if they get that antenna issue sorted first? Smile
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you'll be waiting til iphone 5 I suspect

now that my iphone 3 g(oes) s(low) works like a dog and never did get 3g reception where it mattered to me most

I think I'll buy a droid and try out droid rage instead
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Tomorrow, no, in a few months when my current contract runs out, yes.

Antenna issue is pretty overblown tbh. I know people who are left handed (which brings it on the most), and yes, they can force it to lose bars, but have never once dropped a call because of it.

And there's nothing to sort anyway bar re-engineering the whole case.
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Have they announced all the prices or plans yet? Seems odd that it's out tomorrow and nobody knows the cost ...although I guess the fanboys who are frothing at the mouth to get one don't care how much it costs.
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They announced full retail prices earlier in the week, $1099 for the 16gb. Plans will likely remain the same.
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That's only one price for one model. And isn't it a different price if you buy on various plans?
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Yeah, dependant on the plan, the handset will be a little cheaper. I assume iPhone plans with company like Vodafone will remain the same. Although 2Degrees stated that they're looking to release their own iPhone plans, which they claim will be at least 20% cheaper to those of Vodafone.
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harvey said:
That's only one price for one model. And isn't it a different price if you buy on various plans?


That's why I said full retail price. 32gb hasn't been announced.

If you want an indication of pricing break for term contract, then look at the most closely priced current one:
http://www.vodafone.co.nz/iphone/16gb-iphone-3gs.jsp

It seriously wont change much from that.
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Wipeout said:
Although 2Degrees stated that they're looking to release their own iPhone plans, which they claim will be at least 20% cheaper to those of Vodafone.


So they keep saying, but it would be a big shift considering they don't really offer "plans".
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Yeah for sure. But I think it' would be a good move for them. If in fact they will offer plans which are considerably cheaper of those that Vodafone offering, it will create more competition etc.
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not I... just splashed out on the mega extension cord for the landline... can now accept calls 20 metres from home

*this is future world and I want off*
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Well yes that was their whole point in launching Razz

I did laugh my ass off at Orcons MVNO launch. "Hey we have great deals!"...MORE expensive per month than my current Voda plan for less. Huuuuuuuur
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Heh, yeah. I was just thinking that Orcon can potentially be independent from Vodafone all together. They're after all a state own enterprise and it is in government's interests to have more competitive environment. I realise how expensive this exercise might be however. Razz
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Yeah we really don't need a fourth separate fucking network. Bear in mind 2degrees still roams onto Voda network outside the main centres.
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No we don't, you're right. But government should hurry the fuck up and regulate those mother fuckers. It's ridiculous how much we pay for our mobile phone termination fees.
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Pretty sure you wont see this government doing it. Couldn't even get the last government to do it!
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kris_b said:
Antenna issue is pretty overblown tbh. I know people who are left handed (which brings it on the most), and yes, they can force it to lose bars, but have never once dropped a call because of it.


This is interesting actually - something I thought of straight away when I saw it... Obviously I am an Android fanboy and hate Apple, but when I saw that antenna thing I thought about how I would hold the phone, and it turns out I would be the worst nightmare. I naturally hold my thumb in pretty much the exact place that kills the reception! Left handed, thumb near the bottom. Heh.

Laughing

gc.
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Still doesn't mean it will drop unless you clutch at your phone like an angered militant
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jbs said:
Still doesn't mean it will drop unless you clutch at your phone like an angered militant


Not really - only takes pretty minimal contact on that bridging area to cause the signal decrease. Cbf finding the video though - not really worth talking about.

Smile

gc.
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HTC FTW
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Getting one on Friday via work. Not bothered at all tbh, more looking forward to getting my iPad next week ...

Got my parents the new Sony Xperia X10 Mini-Pro and its such a cool little phone with Android on it.

Music
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*Re-Action* said:
Got my parents the new Sony Xperia X10 Mini-Pro and its such a cool little phone with Android on it.


I'm getting one from my client... eventually! Was supposed to be this week, but now not look likely til next week. Urgh.

Very Happy

gc.
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jbs said:
Still doesn't mean it will drop unless you clutch at your phone like an angered militant


From what I've seen it's network dependent. AT&T being a crap network means it's much easier to drop calls wereas on a stable network like O2 in the UK it's very rare to actually drop them. Although I don't know wy anone would have one, and not have a case for it.
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If I get one no way I'm putting it in a case!
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Why the fuck would you put awesome piece of design like that in a case!


As for Android......lol. I tried it the other day and actually laughed out loud. It's a good replacement for Symbian, that's about it Razz
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You had hands on of palm pre plus yet? Looks to me like serious contender but for smaller screen.
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Palm = not even an also-ran.
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I've got a bit of plastic here which could be a SERIOUS CONTENDER.
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kris_b said:
As for Android......lol. I tried it the other day and actually laughed out loud. It's a good replacement for Symbian, that's about it


I guess if you like everything simply, and concretely laid out for you in a nice little Apple interface then you won't enjoy it.

What device did you use?

Confused

gc.
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So you suggest a device should not be simple and should have an interface that changes around? Razz

Some LG piece of shit.

The Android UI struck me as unintuitive (come on, I'm not a dribbling moron, I should be able to figure out how to use it pretty quickly, but I couldn't), spread over two screens for no purpose, laggy as fuck, unresponsive and confusing. Other, supposedly better Android phones ahve stuck me as having the same problems.

The hardware itself wasn't much better - the touch screen needed way too much force, it had stupid soft buttons, and the slider keyboard buttons were way too small to be practical.
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kris_b said:
Some LG piece of shit.


Wellllll stop right there FFS. That's just stupid - the hardware is still going to have an enormous impact on the experience.

Desire, Legend, X10 (& mini-pro) and even the old OLD Google phone that Voda used to sell (which my flatmate has) are all 1000 times better than that piece of shit handset that Telescum are peddling.

Come on dude.

Laughing

gc.
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Cnet does not agree with you. Unlike crapple it just works and updates do not cripple the crapple out of it. Great for multitasking and is not so damn proprietorial.
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Oh and i just had to hard boot for the umpteenth time since 'upgrading' to ios4. Go crapple!
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Supamaorifulla said:
kris_b said:
Some LG piece of shit.


Wellllll stop right there FFS. That's just stupid - the hardware is still going to have an enormous impact on the experience..


Did you not notice that I separated out my comments on the OS and the hardware? And that I said I had the same reservations about the OS on other hardware too?
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Ugh of course I saw that, but it doesn't change the fact that the hardware has a huuuuuuge impact on the experience of the OS - you can't deny that.

What other devices have you used Android on? Anything actually good or just shitty low range floor moppers like LG?

Confused

gc.
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Nexus mostly, and about 2 mins on a Desire. Still the same reaction.
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What devices is it good on?
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Haha so you've had 2 mins on a decent phone then.

And I think you were blinkered a bit because the Desire is a whole lot more responsive than the many iPhones that I've had a blast with. It's grunty as fuck and has a beautiful touch screen.

In terms of it being 'unintuitive' I can't disagree too strongly there though. The Apple stuff is simple and well constructed. Part of its popularity no doubt. I just don't really like that it's so proprietary and locked down. The beauty of Android is that it is far more open and customisable. And updatable software that doesn't gridlock your device is also pretty important.. Although with that in mind not all Android devices are updatable, those are usually the ones with hardcore brand ethics that can't see past the end of their nose though... Much like Apple.

It's just going to be the same old stuff though really isn't it. People claiming that Apple is more 'intuitive' and the alternatives being more open source and accessible, but perhaps initially harder to use. Although I have found Apple computers (not iPhones) traditionally pretty frustrating and difficult to use and think that's a bit of a misnomer anyway.

FWIW there are something like 160,000 Android devices launching every day, and that number is going up. Apple, thankfully, cannot compete with those numbers over an extended period. And once Nokia bite the bullet and can Symbian the numbers will skyrocket further. I do think Apple need to be a bit careful with their PR over the next while.

Smile

gc.
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Ya will be getting iPhone 4 almost definitely when I land in Melbourne. I was gunna wait, but my 3GS was stolen recently Sad so need a new phone. Been looking through pricing plans, my god, I've heard everyone talk about how ripped off we get in NZ but didn't realise how bad it was! For what I pay now to Voda NZ, I could be getting unlimited calls / texts / Video calling / MMS and 2GB of data as well as subsidy on the handset. Mental.


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So tell me, what does open source MEAN for you?
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Howsabout 25 euros a month for phone cable tv and internet all unlimited including calls to nz. That's like 300 channels btw.
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Vodafone aren't going to have them for a while, I asked, it becomes available tomorrow in NZ only on the apple online store (not sure if they'll have them in store as well). I will definitely be getting one. My first smart phone. Woot! :>
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Will be buying one tomorrow through Apple online. No doubt that it is the best smartphone available standard in the NZ market right now.
Vodafone NZ have been OWNED on this though - Apple have completely ignored them in their own press release, and now it seems that Vodafone won't even be able to provide them tomorrow. If MagnumMac etc can then Vodafone just got bitch slapped by Apple pretty hard...
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Vodafone NZ seem to have pulled every bit of iPhone 4 stuff from their local site. A bit weird with the launch date being tomorrow!

The whole this OS is better than that OS debate is going to be fairly redundant shortly. The capabilities of every OS is becoming very similar and at the end of the day MOST people won't give a shit, as long as it looks pretty and is fast.
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The plot thickens!

My bet is that Vodafone NZ tried to renegotiate their deal with Apple to which Apple, as is their custom, told them to take it or leave it. Voda seemed to have left it, for now...
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kris_b said:
So tell me, what does open source MEAN for you?


Ahhh look. It was definitely foolish of me to use the phrase ‘open source’, as I know that has much bigger connotations that don’t really apply. Although the database of usable, FREE applications is bigger on Android because of its more open source policy. And also we haven’t seen Android shut any apps down like Apple has because of the same principles. This will eventually (and I’ll definitely concede that it’s not the case atm) mean that the Android app store will cane the Apple one- especially given the wildly increasing number of devices activating all the time.

However that’s not really what I meant. I just mean that an Android device is *generally* much more customisable and ‘open’ for anyone who cares about that sort of thing. Probably not important to your average user, but something I appreciate, and is definitely important to many of my tech savvy friends. There are the obvious exceptions as I said like Sony-Ericsson, Motorola & LG that have some gay brand ethic that won’t let them see beyond their own brand principles to allow them to embrace the fully customisable attitude, and remind me somewhat of Apple.

On these HTC devices in particular, though, Android is running fairly pure (and the latest versions (2.0 and up) running on the Legend and Desire in particular are smooth as hell because of their superior hardware), with the Sense UI over the top, and allows a bit more of an individual experience. You can run multiple home screens, which can all be customised with any shortcuts, widgets and layout you want. I suppose the widgets themselves are more or less the standard things – Facebook, Twitter app, weather, address book, calendar etc, but with the different home pages running it means you can use these things, in effect, all at once. Not something you can do with an iPhone in my experience? (could be wrong there). Generally using the home button will let you see whatever home pages you’ve set up in a tile type menu too.

For me it just seems like you’re using something that is ‘yours’ as opposed to using something dictated to you by Apple. I guess if you’re a Mac geek or you have the right hook ups you can jail break your phone and you have a bit more free access to decent apps etc, but I don’t that’s a true layman’s comparison. The openness of Android allows these manufacturers to add their own touches to the OS and gives you more options than what you’re ever likely to get with an Apple phone. There is also a huge ‘open source’ community making inputs to the various different versions of the OS, because every release of the software is accessible to those who want to access it – legally and free.

On another note, being a PC user and a fairly heavy user of google stuff (gmail, calendar, buzz, docs & RSS reader) – Android’s ability to integrate my online life is way more epic. In particular if I happen to change or upgrade devices it is pretty much as simple as inputting my password and hitting enter, and I’m ready to go on any consequent devices.

Ultimately Android seems open and Apple seems totally proprietary – which my past experience has taught me is not the real way to develop technology. Don’t get me wrong, Apple have created a really solid device that is fucken easy for the ‘everyman’ to use, but it’s not for me. Perhaps it stems from my previous bias against the computers and my blood boiling hatred for that knob Steve Jobs, but so be it. He’ll never get a cent of mine, and thank fuck there are very robust alternatives to the sheepPhone.

Smile

gc.
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Or Apple tried to renegotiate/ duress. Telecom has made some inroads so I wonder if they will finally get a look in. Maybe its brinkmanship on the part of all three. If you were telecom you would want to make sure voda were paying as much as they can make them do so for the rights to iphone.
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Or the cynic I am thinks maybe its just a publicity ploy by voda... didnt they do somethig with the android as well?
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it's looking more like an each way bet to me android-iphone

if I were voda I wouldn't want to be pushed into a corner what with all the negative publicity right now
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Supamaorifulla said:
For me it just seems like you’re using something that is ‘yours’ as opposed to using something dictated to you by Apple. I guess if you’re a Mac geek or you have the right hook ups you can jail break your phone and you have a bit more free access to decent apps etc, but I don’t that’s a true layman’s comparison. The openness of Android allows these manufacturers to add their own touches to the OS and gives you more options than what you’re ever likely to get with an Apple phone. There is also a huge ‘open source’ community making inputs to the various different versions of the OS, because every release of the software is accessible to those who want to access it – legally and free.

Being able to change the depth of shadow renderings on our smartphone folders marks us as free from tyranny!!! Rise all ye oppressed and join the pure amongst the fields of alternative boot ROMs that change the placement of the weather widget!
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Night Rider said:
it's looking more like an each way bet to me android-iphone

if I were voda I wouldn't want to be pushed into a corner what with all the negative publicity right now


As usual I have no idea what you're on about.

Laughing

gc.
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well you've said it yourself the droids are making inroads and are expected to really push apple

outside diehard fanboys there are a whole heap of pissed off customers like myself only too willing to look at alternatives to crapple

why then be locked in to a contract with apple that could lose you a lot of money, or not make you enough to make it worth your while, and they've had three years to assess things now?
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G-Dub said:
Being able to change the depth of shadow renderings on our smartphone folders marks us as free from tyranny!!! Rise all ye oppressed and join the pure amongst the fields of alternative boot ROMs that change the placement of the weather widget!


Heh whatever dude - he asked what it meant for me, I told. My comments were more in response to his jibes at Android which aren't really relevant to where it is at at the moment. And while you can make light of the customisable nature of it, I think it becomes more important as time, inevitably, marches on.

Smile

gc.
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Razz
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It's fucking funny watching people frothing all over the fact that Vodafone have not released any statements on iPhone 4...

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=76&topicid=64426&page_no=43

Laughing
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Just my 2c but I know Apple weren't exactly happy with voda making comments about the iPad launch on Twitter last Friday. Apple pulled iPhone from Telecom originally cos they went out saying they would have it before Apple said they could......would not surprise me at all if voda went out of favor.....along with struggling to supply all that was required to launch well...sometimes secret launches just don't work well trying to get stuff done.
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Night Rider said:
Oh and i just had to hard boot for the umpteenth time since 'upgrading' to ios4. Go crapple!

I read in the comments of Cracker on Public Address that disabling spotlight on the 3G fixes the iOS4 slowdown. Also, an update promised to fix it is due shortly.
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Also....if they have taken down the info it might just be because it launches tomorrow and it's pointless asking more people to sign up for notifications this close to launch.
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Smiley said:
I read in the comments of Cracker on Public Address that disabling spotlight on the 3G fixes the iOS4 slowdown. Also, an update promised to fix it is due shortly.


Pretty sure that's what they said about 4.0.1 but that was a no show. Don't hold your breath.

Wink

gc.
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Isn't it pretty clear that the 3G is just not suited to the latest OS because it's old tech? You know, like how most Android phones sold back with 1.5 or 1.6 ain't able to rock 2.2?
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neither is the 3gs and they said it would be
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Weird, wife's 3GS with iOS4 seems sweet?
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G-Dub said:
You know, like how most Android phones sold back with 1.5 or 1.6 ain't able to rock 2.2?


You'd probably have to go back before that to find phones that can't run 2.2 dude.

Smile

gc.
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mine's a D O G

even barks like one
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G-Dub said:
Weird, wife's 3GS with iOS4 seems sweet?


Agree - everyone's said the 3GS is sweet? I thought it was just the 3G that was fucko'd.

Confused

gc.
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i been reading plenty of pissed off 3gs customers' rants
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Supamaorifulla said:
G-Dub said:
You know, like how most Android phones sold back with 1.5 or 1.6 ain't able to rock 2.2?


You'd probably have to go back before that to find phones that can't run 2.2 dude.

Smile

gc.

Oh I thought it was only the Droid and NexusOne getting it along with the ultra latest crop?
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Gotta say the one part that 2.2 = win is wifi hotspot tethering - this really should be the future of all smartphone OSs. Fuck having a separate account/SIM etc for different devices.
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The 3gs was a dog for a while after 4.0 but better with the latest update though the camera still takes ages to load. The wife has a 3g and its shit with 4.x
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G-Dub said:
Oh I thought it was only the Droid and NexusOne getting it along with the ultra latest crop?


Flatmate has the Magic/MyTouch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Sapphire) ting that was running 1.5 when he got it ages ago. Runs 2.2 sweet as... Obviously not as fast as the Desire or any new ones because the hardware is way inferior, but certainly no dramas ala iOS4.

Smile

gc.
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G-Dub said:
Gotta say the one part that 2.2 = win is wifi hotspot tethering - this really should be the future of all smartphone OSs. Fuck having a separate account/SIM etc for different devices.

Downloaded an app for my nokia N71 so I can now tether my iPad too....crazy...never reaslised it could broadcast wi-fi
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G-Dub said:
Gotta say the one part that 2.2 = win is wifi hotspot tethering - this really should be the future of all smartphone OSs. Fuck having a separate account/SIM etc for different devices.


Which, PS, was originally an opensource community development on older versions, introduced to standard OS because of its awesomeness.

Wink

gc.
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Dr_seuss25 said:
G-Dub said:
Gotta say the one part that 2.2 = win is wifi hotspot tethering - this really should be the future of all smartphone OSs. Fuck having a separate account/SIM etc for different devices.

Downloaded an app for my nokia N71 so I can now tether my iPad too....crazy...never reaslised it could broadcast wi-fi

Yeah I run that on my E71 at the moment too. iPhone can do it but needs jailbreaking...
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Are there any knobs currently queuing up outside stores to buy their nonexistant iPhone 4?
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harvey said:
Are there any knobs currently queuing up outside stores to buy their nonexistant iPhone 4?
Some people are actually driving around Auckland as we speak, looking if stores are getting ready for launch tomorrow (from geekzone)! That is some fucked up shit... Laughing
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SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIT.

Neutral

gc.
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Wipeout said:
harvey said:
Are there any knobs currently queuing up outside stores to buy their nonexistant iPhone 4?
Some people are actually driving around Auckland as we speak, looking if stores are getting ready for launch tomorrow (from geekzone)! That is some fucked up shit... Laughing

Those are some weird/sad people.
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We arent much from that by posting on a forum about it :p
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I guess the crazies do provide some entertainment.
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bob said:
We arent much from that by posting on a forum about it :p
hahaha... so much more different. We're laughing at them. Razz
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Supamaorifulla said:
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIT.

Neutral

gc.



I can just imagine Ol' Uncle Steve saying Clay Davis's best ever line: "Hell I take any motherfuckers money if he just givin' it away!"
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lol dalai.

bahahahaha... noone is getting an iPhone 4 today, that's who! Laughing

I certainly hope this is Vodafone's fault, cause it will play in my favour with what I'm involved with right now. Very Happy But it looks like both Apple and Vodafone are just having a handbag fight and customers are the ones that are suffering. Read geekzone forums this morning and people are fuuuuuucked off with neither of the companies making any announcements.

So amusing tho. Smile
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Now that Jobs has Palm's top gun working for him maybe we can expect a re-write of ios4 so that it actually does do what it's supposed to do and doesn't cripple older phones. And maybe it will actually be as smart as it is made out to be. Like the palm pre plus already is. But that would be asking too much.
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Perhaps it's all a practical joke. To laugh at the people waiting outside stores in the middle of the night in winter.
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Speaking of Palm. HP are making a big song and dance about them and seems they paid quite allot for them.

Apparently it's the new interface for their Printers/MFP's, going to be interesting especially with the recent canon deal they have done

As for the iPhone V's everything else, there is an element of conditioning transitioning any OS/software. Like the learning curve for using Outlook and when you have used Lotus your whole life Laughing of course everyone will think what they have used/know is better. I'm open to change and had a tutu with the Milestone the other day, looks ok. Definitely a step up from our work HTC's Rolling Eyes
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harvey said:
Perhaps it's all a practical joke. To laugh at the people waiting outside stores in the middle of the night in winter.


That would be funny even if they still got their phones... What is the point of queueing up when you can just rock in and buy one an hour later without the heartache? Unless something is likely to sell out, like concert tickets or something, I don't see the point in lining up at all. I had to laugh at the news reports saying there were 'tens' of people lined up outside Magnum Mac on the day of the iPad release, and they were reporting sales of like 27 or something on the first day!! OMG 27 iPads!

Hahahaha

Laughing

gc.
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here's a good side by side comparison of the smartphone elite

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/iphone-4-vs-the-smartphone-elite-evo-4g-n8-pre-plus-and-hd2/
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All in all it's pretty shit from the companies involved to not let the fanboys know what's going on. There are guys willing to queue up in the middle of the night for their product and they don't have the decency to tell them it's not going to be available in advance.
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crapple's next major announcement should read:

New PR manager appointed
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Someone really should've hit them with the hose...
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and I've just had a call from voda telling me that the iphone 4's release has been postponed so that is official confirmation at least from one of the horses' mouths
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Anyone had a run with the latest Symbian stuff? I mean it's always been an utter dog, but can it keep up these days? N8 looks pretty.

I assume you've had a crack with the Palm Pre, NR? Design is appalling IMO.

And the HTC HD2 ... Surely it'd be foolish to go Windows Mobile at the moment. Reports are that 7mob will be awesome, but they've only just done a dev release to start building an app profile. If they're keen on the consumer market their app market will have to be extensive, and I doubt it will be there for a while. Going 6.5 would just be dumb.

Smile

gc.
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a friend has got one and he is an utter fanboy but he already was in the palm of their hands boom boom

he's had 40 plus apps opened and phone handled it effortlessly, phone updates over the air anywhere, has unified messaging for im, sms and email with alerts, has root access right down to linux filesystem, has real gps, can change battery (but he gets a day's use and hasn't needed to yet)etc.

looking at n8 and the evo I like the hdmi out which is sensible if shooting at 720p

the phone market has really hotted up

also now that HP owns Palm there's talk of a pad and much more

they really needed the capital injection that HP ownership gives them so look out crapple you've got real competition now

but well done for showing everyone how
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harvey said:
http://www.vodafone.co.nz/iphone/


Argh, They need a decent number of texts on the higher plans
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Night Rider said:


also now that HP owns Palm there's talk of a pad and much more

they really needed the capital injection that HP ownership gives them so look out crapple you've got real competition now

but well done for showing everyone how


HPPad apparently to be released this Quarter, called the "Hurricane"

We will see, HP historically take pretty cool technology and often don't maximize it. They will be under major pressure on the OS side from Bill Gates. But given the IPG side is the largest profit producing part of HP's business and they are developing the WebOS it looks like they are running with it.
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Supamaorifulla said:
Although the database of usable, FREE applications is bigger on Android because of its more open source policy. And also we haven’t seen Android shut any apps down like Apple has because of the same principles. This will eventually (and I’ll definitely concede that it’s not the case atm) mean that the Android app store will cane the Apple one- especially given the wildly increasing number of devices activating all the time.


I dunno - there are literally tens of thousands of free apps on the Apple store. I've been able to find a free app to do anything I've ever wanted to do, with the single exception of Remote Desktop - which I wasn't actually that fussed about doing from a tiny touch screen anyway. Sure, in a lot of cases, I've gone ahead and upgraded to paid versions of those apps, but there is two reasons for that: 1) the paid version had some extra feature I wanted, or 2) I've been impressed enough with the app that I'm happy to throw the developer a few dollars for their trouble.

Also, I don't disgree that it's a bit stink for Apple to have shut down a few of the apps it has - but I understand Apples reasoning. Also bear in mind we're talking about a tiny handful of apps turned down for Apples ideological reasons.

Supamaorifulla said:
However that’s not really what I meant. I just mean that an Android device is *generally* much more customisable and ‘open’ for anyone who cares about that sort of thing. Probably not important to your average user, but something I appreciate, and is definitely important to many of my tech savvy friends. There are the obvious exceptions as I said like Sony-Ericsson, Motorola & LG that have some gay brand ethic that won’t let them see beyond their own brand principles to allow them to embrace the fully customisable attitude, and remind me somewhat of Apple.


I agree that Android is far more open and customisable. However, in practise that's largely ideological. As you say, to the run of the mill user it means nothing, but I find that in practise, even those geeks that highly prize the open aspect actually don't take fuck all advantage of that.

Supamaorifulla said:
On these HTC devices in particular, though, Android is running fairly pure (and the latest versions (2.0 and up) running on the Legend and Desire in particular are smooth as hell because of their superior hardware), with the Sense UI over the top, and allows a bit more of an individual experience. You can run multiple home screens, which can all be customised with any shortcuts, widgets and layout you want. I suppose the widgets themselves are more or less the standard things – Facebook, Twitter app, weather, address book, calendar etc, but with the different home pages running it means you can use these things, in effect, all at once. Not something you can do with an iPhone in my experience? (could be wrong there). Generally using the home button will let you see whatever home pages you’ve set up in a tile type menu too.


Basically yes, you're wrong. Within the framework of "app icons laid out in a grid style", you can customise the iOS homescreen layout to your particular needs. Easily just as much as Android. If you wanted the primary home screen to only have Phone/SMS/Mail/Calendar apps on it, you can. All your other apps are a swipe away to the right. You can stick apps in folders, whatever. iOS's system of notifications (the little red badge with a number in it on say the SMS app telling you you have X new messages) works really well for showing you what app needs attention, alongwith pop up notifications. All customisable.

Supamaorifulla said:
For me it just seems like you’re using something that is ‘yours’ as opposed to using something dictated to you by Apple. I guess if you’re a Mac geek or you have the right hook ups you can jail break your phone and you have a bit more free access to decent apps etc, but I don’t that’s a true layman’s comparison. The openness of Android allows these manufacturers to add their own touches to the OS and gives you more options than what you’re ever likely to get with an Apple phone. There is also a huge ‘open source’ community making inputs to the various different versions of the OS, because every release of the software is accessible to those who want to access it – legally and free.


Again, very irrelevant to the average lay person.

Supamaorifulla said:
On another note, being a PC user and a fairly heavy user of google stuff (gmail, calendar, buzz, docs & RSS reader) – Android’s ability to integrate my online life is way more epic. In particular if I happen to change or upgrade devices it is pretty much as simple as inputting my password and hitting enter, and I’m ready to go on any consequent devices.


Because I have a Google Apps account (which anyone can get for free, minus the charge for a domain name), all I need to enter is my login and password, and the server m.google.com and bang, iOS syncs automatically between my Google Mail, Calendar and Contacts into the native apps. Standard Google account access is about as trivial.

Of course I can't say Android wont always have an advantage here in terms of access to the new stuff Google rolls out, because they will, but it doesn't matter because iOS can do it anyway.
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kiwispikework said:
Speaking of Palm. HP are making a big song and dance about them and seems they paid quite allot for them.

Apparently it's the new interface for their Printers/MFP's, going to be interesting especially with the recent canon deal they have done


Seems? It's public knowledge that HP paid $1.2billion for them.

Will be interesting to see where they go with it, Palm was struggling by themselves, takeover rumours were rife for months with both HTC and Lenovo rumoured to be interested.