So, I obviously missed something...

It seems minimal and techno are 'mainstream' for parties now?

yes - the new electro house

time to abandon the wagon

seems to me the wagon burst its seams some time ago aye. its everywhere. from mainstream music and radio to tv advertising. i still like it though, i just wish the credit would go techno insted of to all the 'come lates'. at least people are getting into it, no matter what they want to name it. if it makes people feel beter to have 'discovered' it then good times to them.

its all techno to me

Ah, its all good.

Just been listening to a Sven Vath mix all morning...

mmm...

Yah
NZ is only so far behind the rest of the world, I guess it was only a matter of time before popularity came around..


I've moved on to just playing disco edits now

you obviously missed Steve Bug



oh right, it's going to take another few years for people to actually learn who the internationals are

unfortunatly it doesnt mean that the matt drakes and others who have been pushing techno in nz for the past 15 plus years will be getting any extra sets or credit, just the likes of sam hill/code/asta etc and other 'electro' house djs will jump on the wagon and get all the credit for introducing a new sound.

and as usual bring down sydney club djs with 2 years under thier belts and flog them off as international superstars.



such is life...

dont get too bogged down. the popularity is positive.

besides, the genre isn't dancefloor / out to party "friendly" enough for it to get spoilt.

i agree. there are more positives than negatives

Doesn't matter, minimal is over rated anyway. Bring back Ultimate Bass!

Yeah I've never understood this argument at all... similar cries were made like 6 years ago when breaks blew up, started taking over main rooms and main stages at festivals... many in breaks hated it. Why?

Would you really prefer that no-one except over 25's hairy men shared the love of your sounds, and there were next to no places for techno nights to go, next to no-one turning up etc.

It can only be a good thing IMO... and sure, the more experimental/underground aspect to tech probably won't get much show, but then again many more main-stream clubbers may be exposed to these noises, and learn to love a wide range of techno sounds. Even minimal booty!

Positives:
Better promoted techno gigs, better venues, better PA's, better international acts being toured, more hot young tings coming to your gigs instead of the usual 20-30 jaded, grumpy techno-soldiers more opportunities for local DJs who push this sound etc.

If I was a straight techno DJ I'd be grabing my board and riding this wave

straight or gay it shouldnt matter this day and age



"more international, beter PA's and hot young things" - thats ticking all the boxes - bring it on.

However, I will happily be proved wrong. I for one will certainly be offering my services.

There's definitely some upsides, this is true. More interest and more people at gigs allowing for more and greater variety of international visitors is all good.

Unfortunately with your last point it isn't that simple - at least for me. As a dj/music collecter I'm always looking for music that is new and exciting to me - once 'minimal' is everywhere the things that made it sound unique and exciting will wear thin and I will move onto music with new influences. This has already happened in the past year or two with deeper/housier sounding stuff becoming more attractive.

If I'd wanted to ride the wave to the promised land of multitudes of young nubile fans I would have stuck with the breakbeat things I was into 4 or so years ago, but I moved on then cause my ears told me there was more interesting stuff happening, and the same thing will no doubt happen again. Been listening far more to the Rob Hood and James Murphy fabric cds than the steve bug one if that is any indication of where my head is at.

ahaha just read my comment and I sound pretty pompous

But hopefully you get my point.

i get your point dude, as long as your moving on musically because thats what your ears are telling you not because the music you like becomes to popular. while its good to search for something new i think its better when it just comes naturally because you expose yourself to a wide variety of music. All i ask for is diversity amongst dj's, i quite often go out and hear dj's that dont play a similar sound to me but that i know have a passion for their particular sound. Hopefully with the move away from the "electro house played in alot of nz clubs" dj's will start to discover there own sound.

sry i ment to say "more dj's" we already have some very good dj's who are passionate about the music they play.

when i hear this kind of shit im actually pretty embarrassed to be into minimal techno.

Awe don't listen to me too seriously bro, I'm not even a techno DJ. You know you're scene far better than I ever would, and what's best for it.

Was just being a bit light-hearted/borderline flippant about the topic - trying to counteract some of the pessimissim

Don't be embarresed about minimal, or the scene - there's been some amazing tunes from this field in the last 1-2 years

minimal techno has been around for a very long time. well over a decade. for a start do a google on rob hood and follow some links from there. do some homework.


bn1: we get your point and it aint pompous. its a straight forward music loving perspective.

fully, pretty sure Bn1 is the most passionate music mofo ive ever met. i also really need to do my homework, getting there slowly any other artists you suggest i should be looking back at?

DC1 mmmm that flame grilled feeling

Minimal Techno: bitches, hoes, money and drugs since 1994

::cristal::

All I said, and all I meant, was that I think there has been some amazing tunes coming out of the minimal scene in the last couple of years

I'm aware of how long minimal techno has been around for hey.
You could say I've been doing the DJ thing for a bit
So I'll pass on the googling and homework if that's cool

Speaking of Robert Hood though... quite enjoying his fabric mix cd at the moment.
Its got a real DJ'd feel to it, like his throwing down a set IMO.



Yo Bean, you dropped in that mix Cd yet fool?

Not yet but soon! Getting my head round a cdj400 after hanging on to vinyl like a sinking ship for too long.

Arrgh.

Yo Alex check out Daniel Steinberg

cool as, please yourself.

what does IMO mean?

im already a huge fan prob one my top 10 producers at the mo loving that jacking tech funk house ( kanda sounds like germany meets america to me) . what i was trying to say is who are some really old school producers i may not know of, who have had an influence on all things tech?

claude young and rob hood are my fav american old schoolers. and surgeon and oliver ho are my fav UK old timers. there are so many more as well as loads of obscure names who influenced those four..
i think matt drake should be able to list out a great techno tree. im just going on personal taste.

Heres a few more:

Paul Mac
Trevor Rockliffe
Heiko Laux
Samuel L Session
The Advent
Dave Angel
Kenny Larkin
Patrick Lindsey
Basic Channel

Now a list of new jackin techfunk guys la Mr Steinberg wouldn't go astray...

you might have already heard of these guys but just in case you havent...

daniel bell, plastikman, stewart walker, studio one, brothers yard, isolee, farben, salo, antoni electr., benjanmin wild, theorem, haken lidbo, fredmike ink, dettinger, puma, max ernst, sasha funke, early perlon stuff, jiri.ceiver, mundo muzique, maurizio, r factors, D. diggler, losoul, g-man, hardfloor, percy x, LSG, ken ishii, der dritt raum, freakisoid, oliver lieb, alexander kowalski, samuel L session, stevey bezet

hmm let me think

Stimming
Harry axt
Solomun
H.O.S.H
3 Channels/ Catz n Dogz
Guido Schneider

will try think of some more when i get home.,but chers for the list of artists I only recognise a few so will definitely check them out.

Yeah, think I remember seeing you play in 02/03? First time I had heard anyone playing baltimore club styles..



Good picks! Early perlon, kompakt, force tracks, and playhouse was when I really got into this music.

Alex - check out the 'classic house records' thread in the house forum for some good tips on the housier end of things..
Oh and sander mentioned it but again:
http://www.discogs.com/label/Basic+Channel

Oh sorry, McBean mentioned basic channel!
I'm sure sander is a fan though

Chur Alex, those fullas is where its at! Makes me wanna soundproof the apartment. Must be time for a gin.

for sure. basic channel helped stear me in this direction around 98. maurizio was the clincher

in my opinion or IMHO

watch out for adding the 'humble' word to the acronym coz then people think your gay

thanx peat. i thought i may have been emo spelt wrong.
in my opinion acronyms are kinda lame.
sorry i mean IMOAAKL.

lol

I think you guys might find yourselves to wrong in the long run.

Look at how the whole Electro House thing started out in Auckland. Although you had the likes of Emma Green and Greg Spencer playing tech/old electro, the first ones to really start pushing Electro House was Greg Churchill and Angela Fisken. At a time when alot of the Trumpet House Massive and Clubs kind of outcasted them. Then welcome in 2007 and half of those Funky House Dj’s and clubs that wouldn’t originally book them now play Electro House!!!!

Some of the new cats pushing tech like Dan Farley and Kurt Erickson are actually technically sound dj’s and really passionate about quality tunes. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the likes of the Matt Drakes turn up on the bill at some of their Tech Parties.

Alot of it also comes down to if the current older mould are willing and able to adapt their sound for the new generation.

Who really gives a flying fuck if its Christian Smith & John Selway, Dubire or Samuel L Session, Advent that gets the kids dancing. If it’s good music, then let the beat do the talking.

actually on second thought I’d cringe at the idea of Techno and Minimal becoming as bastardised in Auckland as Electro House has become. Can you imagine 14 minute long minimal builders with Whitney Huston accapellas?

I’d run for the hills….(oh that’s right Auckland Club Land has already made me do that!)

Lets hope in the long run quality prevails.

When DJT and M.A.N.D.Y came to play at Rythem & Vines last new years I was lucky enough to get a ticket and cheak that out.
It was solid epicness.
I distinctly remember (in my twisted mindstate) a minimal tech remix of a popular Justin Timberlake track and it totally tore up.
Still to this day don't know what it is or where it came from but if done right, minimal mash-ups would DEFINATLY work.
I try to be open-minded to what sounds good (technically) more than stick to what I know...
The evolution of sound?
(N/B: I'm not a freak raver who knows nothing about electronic music)

How is a Justin Timberlake Mash-Up an evolution?

It's a watering down for the lowest common donominator...

Evolution would be using a 3.2 second snippet of his vocal and pitching it down low.

muuutha fuuckaa dooon't knoooow hoow too acct

yeah

I was thinking commercially.
What does the future of the Auckland club scene hold?

What ever the promoters decide.

Anyone who can get an ad on T.V. I've noticed.
Ministry of sound, Gatecrasher (back in the day).

Your right what you say though.

I can't imagine why people haven't brought in the into the whole SLG, lucio aquilia, Massi DL sound yet though. Its got HUGE potential to be popular, more popular than this cookie-cutter electro thats been milked dry.

Anyway, I'll still be rocking the dancefloor whenever any mnml internationals bless us with a mix.

bullshit...

promoters decide, but the peoples opinions always count more at the end of day...

lets go back three years should we.

Do you think at the peak of Funky House, Adam Bennett really wanted to add electro House dj's to his lineup?
Or Jolyon really wanted to add Electro House to his C.V?

Basically people got sick of the same old "lola's theme", just like they are now getting sick of Dirty South and Sam La More. and they spoke with their ears + feet, and then funky house died and electro house took its place.

Promoters will always adapt to what people want= the money. If enough people in Auckland decide that minimal is the shit, then look out Asta and Code..

i highly doubt given the "youth" of the NZ Dance scene, that this will happen.

An aside - Jolyon? The same Jolyon bagging Electro, and playing funky vocal house at the moment?

Greg Chruchill is still doing Aural Trash, JK still the trance Gigs...

However, there have been some new promoters in the likes of Daniel Farley and co, that have done well and created a scene. Yes, based on trends overseas, but I honestly dont see it being a punter lead change. They might have wanted change, but the musical direction has been up to the people putting on the gigs, and the people they have been booking.

Adam Bennett is still putting on House gigs, as far as I can see? Or did I just miss their swing back to funky house?

Minimal and Techno looks set to become big. Although, its not going to be the same Minimal and Techno that has been played in NZ already for years.

all this talk of electro and funky house is making want to go poo's

I've really taken to techno lately, and a few "new" djs are starting to push it too.

at the moment, i'm playing roughly half techno and half prog in my sets.

hmmmm some sort of infusion?

Giz a hug.

Sharon we're leaving

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