SINCLAIR'S BACK, BABY!

Fatty Ryder couldn't keep his hands off a few cold ones and is GONEBURGER.

Matt "The Bat" Sinclair is back. I'm picking an epic 120 off 90 balls.

And with the world's #1 and #4 ODI bowlers - Vettori and KYLE MILLS - this could be a massive, massive victory.

you are so full of shit mate.... more like 26 off 40 balls, looking like he has no idea how to play an international attack (even a mediocre one)

Best NZ batsmen since Crowe: Spearman and Sinclair

EFT!

DNT!

VAD-D,
HAS FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT CRICKET THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW.

Quite possibly your best ever post!


... well, the last line anyway

Spearman... I like to look up his stats sometimes... it's comedy gold

Actually, who knows, Sinclair might get a few runs.... not like the windies are that threatening with their attack... but we have a series vs. Aus coming up, so he won't last long

W.G.Grace
Wally Hammond
Craig Spearman

END OF FUCKING TOPIC, OPIE

With Ryder out they a short a bowler now. I guess that means Elliot will have to bowl 10 overs.

Good to see NZ selecting an actual batsman and not some 2-bit allrounder who isn't particular good at either batting or bowling.

There's such a paucity of good cricketers in NZ it's unbelievable that the selectors have been so harsh on Sinclair over the years...

Which pretty much sums up my opinion of Elliot.



Sinclair has a bit of responsibility on his shoulders. Two new batsmen and a chance of redemption. Should make for an interesting game anyhow...

He's had some tough calls, but when he's had a chance (at least lately) he's squandered it. It's a shame we have to let people like him back in the side, because he's clearly not up to international standard (mentally at least), but that's the reality of the state of NZ cricket.

There's a pretty decent chance we could lose this series. Lot of new players.

Yeah I'm a bit nervous. At least our bowling attack has some teeth in the one day format...

yeah, Vetorri is back to #1

OMG SINCLAIR YOU LEGEND!!!!

VAD-D
BEING WRONG IS A WAY OF LIFE

Reasonable total from NZ. thought Guptill/Taylor could have picked up the pace a bit more when facing Nash/Baker.

Epic innings from Guptill. Second highest debut score for all countries. Not much chance of How getting back in the side any time soon.

Oh, and LOL @ Sinclair. Don't think they'll ever bother with him again will they? A drunk Ryder would probably bat better at an international level.

Sinclair's problem is psychological, not skill.

If you don't select based on domestic form then what's the fuck of having the domestic game?

Not only that, Guptill, Taylor, and McCullum could all have been out for under 10. Sinclair was not unlucky, per se, but unluckier than those OTHER players.

However Guptill proves Auckland is NZ's finest province.

If they don't get a match out of this due to rain, does Guptill's score still go into the record books?

Game abandoned. Guptill's innings doesn't count

FUCKING PWND!

/poor bastard

Pretty sure it will count

I would have thought so too, but TV3 news said otherwise

It counts

Certainly a bit of conflicting info around.

It's up on cricinfo.

of course it counts, it would be ridiculous otherwise.. the fact that it rained later doesn't make it any less of an achievement

vadz: domestic form counts, but so does your performance when you've been put into the top team. And that's a lot more important... Sinclair clearly doesn't have the mental aptitude to play at the top level. It was probably fair enough putting him in as a stop gap measure, but I don't even see the need for him to play the next game...

I think our order should be:

1. Ryder
2. Guptill
3. Flynn
4. Taylor
5. McCullum
6. Broom
7. Elliot (assuming Oram is still out)
8. Vetorri
9. Mills
10. Southee
11. Gillispie / Patel

And possibly float McCullum to give him maximum opportunity in the last 10. I think this game showed how important the death is now with the batting powerplay. And in ODIs, I think McCullum is much more suited to finishing. He had a few good innings opening, and he should be there for 20/20, but his best ODI cricket has been played down the order.

Like the look of that team Mutant. I would drop McCullum to 7 however.

Aussies follow a simple philosophy of selecting the best domestic performer (usually for batting, with bowling it can be a little more complex) when they need a new player in the international side.

Say Sinclair finishes this season with most runs in 4-day and 1-day domestic, averages 75 and 50 or whatever, streets ahead of the closest competition. We get injuries and need another top order batsman. How can you validly not select the best batsman from the domestic game?

When you try to "pick winners" you get abominations like the Marshall twins.

If Sinclair is the best domestic player when there's a hole in the international side, then Sinclair has to be selected. Otherwise it's just patently unfair.

If we're going to drop for shitty international form, then Flynn has NO place in the ODI team. He's not even fit to tie Sinclair's bootlaces.

It's not unfair. You have to take previous inability to apply form to the top level into account as well. Not just current domestic form.

Hayden was shit for a while, and was dropped
Heaps of players have been dropped and brought back - Cowdrey, Brian Close etc.

It makes sense.

oh deer vads

Sinclair wrote the book "How to be the best in domestic cricket and completely fail at International level 101"

No. It makes sense to give the next best person performing at domestic level over someone who has repeatedly failed. Because that next best domestic player might actually translate their form to international level.

If a test average of 32.55 and a ODI average of 28.35 is "complete failure" at international level, then there's a bunch of Kiwi players who are also complete failures.

After 32 tests, Fleming only averaged 35.18 and Martin Crowe only 38.44. Hardly world-class. Should have dropped those two as well eh?

oh deer vads

Sinclair should never play for NZ again.

end.

Half our current best players never would have been selected if they'd gone by domestic form alone, Vetorri included. And your claims about Aus are complete BS. Hussey was best domestic batsman for years before he got selected.

And anyway, it's not like NZ domestic cricket is tough... it's barely at the level of australian local state cricket. So we have to consider a lot of other factors besides that when picking players.

Clearly you don't know as much about cricket as you think.

Anyway, sounds like Sinclair will be dropped.. Guptill to bat #3

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/nzvwi2008_09/content/current/story/386070.html

Definitely counts, the game itself goes into the N/R category but all personal stats still get counted.

I was misinformed. Stupid tv news saying the wrong thing.

It does make sense, but to be fair how are you going to find the next decent player if you keep letting in guys that generally fail when they get given ANOTHER chance. Gutpil being the exception, alot of guys given a chance will fail as bad if not worse than Sinclair did on Saturday, but you dont know if you give them a go.

On another note i will be interested to see how Guptil goes against the aussies. Dont get me wrong, I think he was awesome on Saturday. But it was only the windies.

He did get three chances...



I think he'll be better for the experience though. Confidence is priceless for batsmen. Just ask Matthew Hayden.

Then he averaged 40 for the innings. Not bad

dumb logic!

What a heap of shit. NZ is the only nation that persist time and time again to bring average people into the team that consistantly fails.

Those average players are all we have bro.

Shut up *Reaction*

lol Sinclair lol.

Sinclair is the Spencer of cricket... you can take that anyway you like.

And why do we bring in average people? because those that are there that need replacing are average and the coaching staff get desperate and need to try something else. Someone can look great in our domestic league but fail at international level, your not going to know until you try them because the gap between our domestic comp and international is too big to get an idea of how they will cope.

Would you suggest we stick with people that arent doing any good? Isnt that the old principal of insanity? (doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result)

No. What the fuck is that supposed to mean, exactly

gprowl obv

Which part? The insanity bit?

Carlos Spencer I think he means. Brilliant for Auckland, dangerously unpredictable for the All Blacks.

F*cking south islanders Carlos was awesome

The thing I liked about him was he would always have a go, even if it was with the game on the line. I like the players that try things instead of just playing it safe.
And he had an awesome send off when he came off the bench for the maori's and pretty much won the game for us. I think it might have even been against the Lions?

The plight of New Zealand cricket in one sentence: We drop a fat drunk and replace with a player can't score, we drop a player who can't score and replace him with a fat drunk.

I was a Carlos fan too tbh. I still wouldn't call him Mr Reliable.







Everybody loves a fat drunk. Look at Santa Claus. Pissed on egg nog the whole year, burst blood vessels in his cheeks a plenty, hangs out with (god knows what deviancy they get up to) weird midgets and still the kids go bounce up and down on his knee!

At FB obv. As the "player who can't score", actually did score, and made a record.

FB is talking about Sinclair.

the fat drunk is going to be a top player if he gets his head together

Had to lol yesterday at Powell revving him up with the drinky drinky motion, next ball Ryder tries to smash him and skies the ball high in the air for an easy catch.

He really has to up his mental game if he's going to get anywhere...