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Sorry, i don't have the link so had to post the article as it was sent to me.


Scientists admit: we were wrong about 'E'

Experts who gave a dramatic warning that ecstasy led to brain damage based
their study on a huge blunder, reports health editor Jo Revill

Sunday September 7, 2003
The Observer

It was billed as the one of the most dramatic warnings the world has ever
received over the dangers of ecstasy. A study from one of America's leading
universities concluded that taking the drug for just one evening could leave
clubbers with irreversible brain damage, and trigger the onset of
Parkinson's disease.

The study, published in the eminent journal Science last September, had an
immediate impact. Doctors and anti-drug crusaders spoke of a 'neurological
time bomb' facing the young. Others suggested that taking one of the tablets
was the equivalent of playing Russian roulette with the brain, and demanded
tighter 'anti-rave' laws to deal with it.

But today, scientists are facing up to the humiliation of admitting that the
stark results they reported in the study were not a breakthrough but a
terrible, humiliating blunder.

The study was based on the fact that laboratory monkeys and baboons had a
severe reaction to the drug when it was injected in small doses. But it
emerged this weekend that the vials of liquid did not contain ecstasy.
Instead, the animals received a dose of methamphetamine, or speed - a drug
widely known to affect the body's dopamine system. The tubes had somehow
been mislabelled by the supplier.

In this week's Science, the scientists will publish a retraction of their
original study, reigniting the row over the role of those who investigate
ecstasy, as well as the real risks or benefits of the drug.

In academic circles, the mistake is a severe embarrassment to Johns Hopkins
University, in Baltimore, Maryland, which attracts millions of dollars of
research funding from both government and companies. Questions are already
being asked about whether the lead researcher, George Ricaurte, was
inherently biased against the drug.

The mistake only came to light when follow-up tests gave conflicting
results. The original study reported how two out of 10 animals died quickly
after their second or third dose. Six weeks later, the dopamine levels in
the surviving animals were down by 65 per cent, leading Ricaurte and his
colleagues to conclude that it could provoke the onset of Parkinson's, which
is linked to a loss of dopamine-producing cells.

He said at the time: 'It is possible that some of the more recent cases of
suspected young-onset Parkinson's disease might be related, but that this
link has not been recognised.'

When the study was published last September, a chorus of experts saw it as
evidence of drug damage. Professor Colin Blakemore of Oxford University,
soon to be the new head of the Medical Research Council, said it provided
further evidence that 'ecstasy can be toxic to nerve cells'.

Dr Alan Leshner, chief executive of the American Academy for the Advancement
of Science, which publishes the journal, went as far as to describe taking
ecstasy as playing 'Russian roulette' with brain function.

He added: 'This study showed that even very occasional use can have
long-lasting effects on many different brain systems. It sends an important
message to young people - don't experiment with your brain.'

Yesterday, Ricaurte was attempting to put a brave face on the calamity. He
is under attack from all sides, and has already been accused of rushing his
study into print because Congress was looking at a bill known as the
Anti-Rave Act, which would punish club owners who knew that drugs such as
ecstasy were being used on their premises.

Ricaurte has denied political bias. He said yesterday that his laboratory
made 'a simple human error', adding: 'We're scientists, not chemists.' Asked
why the vials of liquid were not checked before being used on the animals,
he replied: 'We're not chemists. We get hundreds of chemicals here - it's
not customary to check them.'

It is unusual for Science to have to publish a retraction, but that is
exactly the right thing to do, according to Joe Collier, professor of
medicines policy at St George's Hospital Medical School.

'People must realise that mistakes are made, even by scientists,' said
Collier. 'It is embarrassing - a lot of self-questioning will be going on
over there - but it's important we learn from this.'

Over the past five years, controversy has raged about the real dangers of
ecstasy, a drug which is taken by around a million clubbers in Britain every
weekend.

Some studies have suggested that ecstasy has no long-term impact on the
levels of the hormone serotonin in the brain, while others have suggested
that it leaves clubbers feeling depressed and unable to concentrate.

The controversy is not likely to go away quickly while the scientists
themselves are caught up in such a political and academic minefield.
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Good to see them making this public.

For one thing it proves that these scientists really do care about getting honest results and are not just pushing the agenda of their financial backers. (as some suggested when these results were first released)
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i'm not getting Parkinsons, i'm not getting Parkinsons, i'm not getting Parkinsons, i'm not getting Parkinsons, i'm not getting Parkinsons, i'm not getting Parkinsons, i'm not getting Parkinsons, i'm not getting Parkinsons, i'm not getting Parkinsons, i'm not getting Parkinsons, i'm not getting Parkinsons, i'm not getting Parkinsons, i'm not getting Parkinsons, i'm not getting Parkinsons!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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Laughing rimu
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I read this yesterday in the Sydney Hearald. How stupid were these scientists to think that e could effect your dopamine levels when it uses serotonin. The worst thing is the DEA and FDA in the states would probably use flawed research like this to crack down on the drug especially with the so called ravers act.
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I am sad they are injecting animals Sad
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sallymac said:
I am sad they are injecting animals Sad


me too Mad science is not exact and lab testing only lines the pockets of clever gits who f**k with belief systems.

I would like to hear from the original scientists that formilated e and see what their real intentions were, medical or monetary?
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vivisection is GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

so many differences between humans and animals ...
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ampt,
It was 'discovered' accidentally while trying to find a treatment for some ailment. I'd be more specific, but that would require a web search for MDMA which I don't really wanna do at work... Wink
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MDMA was first synthesized in 1912. It was patented in Germany by the Merck Company in 1914. At that time it was not the subject of human research.

Merck stumbled across MDMA when they tried to synthesize Hydrastinin, a vasoconstrictive and styptic medicine.

MDMA was an unplanned by-product of this synthesis. As usual, the process of its synthesis was patented.

It can not be reconstructed to what extent Merck tested MDMA and what the results of such testing were, but it can be excluded with certainty that MDMA was ever considered as an appetite suppressant.

In the 1950s it was briefly researched by the U.S. Government as part of the CIA's and the Army's chemical warfare investigations, a commissioned research in 1953/54 on MDA, MDMA and other substances as a truth serum. They proved to be unsuitable for this purpose.

The results of this research were not published until 1973. The first reported recreational use was in the 1960s.
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ummmm

MDMA does affect your dopamine levels to some extent (in rats at least ...)

that is why E may actually be addictive (most addictive drugs affect the dopamine system/its a pleasure response).

it's new research going on at our university, very interesting.
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It works as a truth serum on me at times. Laughing
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Laughing
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Well, most peeps i know who take e also take speed, so i gess we're all fucked either way!
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Well at least the animals would have been partying hard for for a few hours before their untimely death. Hope the lab had some decent music for them to listen to! Music Laughing
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umm yeah it's hard house all the way up there Rolling Eyes
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all but a few of the vials were methamphetamine so this study doesnt prove or disprove anything other than methamphetamine causes neuro toxicity which was already well known.

It does not mean they were wrong about mdma and there are still other studies which support the brain damage model, tho this one was one of the most widely quoted. There are incidently questions about the study as it used injection which is not the way which most mdma is consumed.

mdma still causes the release of dopamine into synapses and this is infact what cause the neurotoxicity as the dopamine is split into hydrogenperoxide and something else inside your brain.

The testing on animals thing as far as this study is concerned, animal testing is the only way studies like this can be done. Theres no was a study like this would be able to be done on humans so without testing we wouldnt know the side effects and possible benefits of drugs. So either the testing doesnt get done or we put humans at risk. (prolly better for a new thread to discuss animal testing generally).
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Funnily enough it's people's CHOICE whether to take drugs or not.

I do have reservations about some medical/disease testing, but accept that it is necessary for advances in treatment etc.

However, these are recreational drugs and I find testing on animals pretty bloody selfish in these circumstances Crying or Very sad

And yes I hold an idealistic viewpoint, I understand the arguments for research such as this, but you still can't make me like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes it is peoples choice, but legislation should be based on actual proof that things are bad for us (as opposed to the individual choice to take the drugs)

I dont think anyone wants the animals to suffer but it is better that the research is done and it is better that the research is mostly done on animals.
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Froggy
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I disagree bob, there are already plenty of test subjects happy to help the study, why not use them. Smile Smile

Seriously though, studying more those that use the drugs would be better.
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justahalf, I think you will find that most of the test subjects you are refering to wouldn't be that keen on the brain disection part of the research rofl!