RIP Steve Jobs

The turtleneck man is dead.

they took our jerrrbs

Regardless of your thoughts on Apples products or fanboys, you simply cannot deny how his personal vision drove much of the innovation industry wide in the last decade or more. While Apple may not have invented much of the products they are famous for, they are the ones who polished the concepts and created a mass market for them, and drove competitors to the same level of innovation.

For example, Android looked NOTHING like it does now before iPhone launched. Hell it looked a lot more like Blackberry, running on conventional phone hardware with no touchscreens.

Did they invent the tablet? No, but they made the one your grandma can use.

What a legacy to leave behind. RIP.

Yeah agree.

RIP

Yep kris I agree.

I may personally dislike the practices of his company, but he was willing to stand up and be a pioneer. :>

He's not dead, he's living at the bottom of the sea in an underwater palace with the cast of Stingray and Thunderbirds.

Sad day

reinventing as ios666

Yeah but you like the practices of companies like Telecom, so you're not exactly a sound judge



Neat site template on Boing Boing: http://boingboing.net/2011/10/05/steve-jobs-has-died.html

inappropriate lolling in a RIP thread, but that was awesome.

RIP Steve!

RIP maybe but no DRM

Something worth remembering, is Steve wasn't just Apple.






He was CEO of Pixar for many years after buying it from George Lucas in '86 after he left Apple, meaning he was indirectly responsible for all that. Then he sold to Disney for over US$7.5 billion in '06.

Heh, John Sculley, who fired Steve from Apple in 86:
"Apple was supposed to become a wonderful consumer products company. This was a lunatic plan. High-tech could not be designed and sold as a consumer product. How wrong can you be?"

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/10/05/gates-i-will-miss-steve-immensely/

ironic tweet of the day

Stolen from Twincam...


Steve Jobs: iRP.

http://www.ted.com/talks/steve_jobs_how_to_live_before_you_die.html

Hey Steve Jobs, how you like dem apples!?

(sorry)

He's gone to the cloud

Cancelled his iLife subscription

Chur to the chur

A visionary?

He was a capitalist. He did what he did to make money. Full stop, end of story

For those who say "separate your feelings about Apple from his influence" that's absurd. There are plenty of evil men who have changed the world just as much - and we don't extol them when they die.

Mourn for heroes like the SAS troopers shot down in Afghanistan. Don't mourn for a rich whitey

Resurrecting as android man.

Obama is correct. I heard of his passing on my iPhone 4.

dr who's on prime

get over there now tardist

Westboro called. They want their vads back.

Howtf Westboro?! I don't disagree with vads here. He made some nifty toys that were more successful than others and made a fuck ton of money doing so, and his vision changed the world into a yet more materialistic place.

!= big deal imo.

yeah, people need to check the hyperbole a little

some other rich whitey (Bloomberg) compared him to Einstein. That's just retarded.

But sir, Einstein was wrong! E=??? now!!!

Vad's post isn't even worth a response.

But to say he just made nifty toys shows a lack of understanding of just how much this guy shaped our world.

Triptamine + BZP most likely

trippy which ever way you look at it

trippy which ever way you look at it

trippy which ever way you look at it

if Einstein was wrong, then the GPS in your iPhone wouldn't work. But it does.
So thanks for that insightful commentary.

they probably wouldn't put the GPS in the phone if it didn't work.

Microsoft probably would though.

I honestly don't see how, man

Portable MP3 players changed the world? Laptops that were thinner than other laptops? Touch screen phones with applications on them?

Apart from their personal computers very early on none of this impresses me. If anything the rampant consumerism they have engendered in otherwise rational people over the past ten years really just disgusts me

The iPod has completely changed the music world. Just walk down to your local music store and ask them, oh no wait, they don't exist anymore...

But you gotta go back a little further than that bro. Apple was instrumental in the beginnings of the Personal Computer.

whatever you say iClone

for some scientist guy you can be pretty retarded.

sorry, I know how you apple folks struggle with things not all being exactly the same.

I'll try and conform more in the future.

Just about everyone else on this board is capable of having an actual discussion without being an insulting prick resorting to ad hominem attacks as the main basis for any argument..

You don't have a clue about what I really think and why, you've just labeled me based on YOUR relative positions to some of the posts I have made in the past. It's mildly offensive but mostly laughable.

I could do a blow by blow timeline, but aside there being from plenty of info out there it would be playing into the reductionist type of logic that somehow misses the big picture that you see in discussions like this all the time.

Most of the stuff he didn't even invent. He simply marketed it and got given credit, you only have to look at the patent case for the ipod where apple said to one guy "you can't have created it because this guy did" - where they used his 1980's design. The personal computer existed long before apple.

He was a shrewd businessman and was smart with his ideas on what would sell.

I've seen articles comparing him to the modern day leonardo, no. Just no.

I think you'll find that apple was in at the birth of the pc and certainly a force before Microsoft was.

Apparently when all the Apple Fan boys heard Steve Jobs had developed pancreatic cancer they queued all night outside the Apple Store to buy it.

That's not to say he didn't "borrow" a lot of ideas from other people...

Your reducing his and apples achievements again, like, anybody could do what he did. Just a salesman. Why is it then that apple is the first to bring so many changes to technology and everybody scrambles to replicate it usually with results that don't quite get it. And how long after the releases do these companies manage to achieve a significant competitor. It's not even about making cool shit (and then whining about consumerism and somehow pinning that on apple). It's about to total attention to detail and getting it right the first time. Managing it every step of the way. And doing it time after time. And you are probably thinking iphone and ipad and shiny macbook airs, right? Y'know wifi? Guess who bought that to the market first. That USB... everything? People thought wtf when the imac had USB but no floppy. The GUI as we know it? Drag and Drop? Apple went from almost bankrupt to $90B cash reserves under Jobs. Oh and the PC existed long before apple?? lol, Apple STARTED the PC industry. IBM was caught off guard and it took them a year to release a competitor and only did so by cobbling together a bunch of generic parts which then became the cornerstone of a modern Windows PC.

Also, let me tell you something about creativity. NOTHING is original. You can ALWAYS point to something before that inspired X piece of work. But that's not the point. It's what you do and the impact it has.

Remember, too that history reinforces that technical ability minus a clear vision and strong leadership doesn't produce Mac OS X/iOS, MacBook Airs, iPods, iPhones or iPads. They produce Pink/Taligent, 20th Anniversary Macs, Newtons, MacTVs and Pippins. And a company that loses its leadership position, is valued at $10/share, and comes within sight of bankruptcy.

In short, learn your history before posting. Biggie douches can write this off as some fanboy rant (which is a joke btw, I don't own any idevices aside from this mbp which came as a deal with my course) but my respect comes from the facts and some knowledge and a sense of history.

Oh yeah and your learning might become better informed if you stop taking it from a position of "I'm going to try to find a some sort of evidence to prove all those isheep wrong"

Well said smiley wily, that last point reminding me of Perugia's Prosecutor's many pitfalls.

um Apple was not Steve Jobs....

He was but a part of a huge corporation... the heart and soul of to many perhaps but the company, the profits, the innovation and good and dumb decisions shall continue without him

I respect his contributions to our world... but I refuse to worship him or think him any different from every other person on this planet

RIP

Don't want to criticize the guy too much since he's just died, but saw this comment today...

"for all his inovations his legacy is helping to stifle more"

"In 1991 NCR Corporation/AT&T (now Alcatel-Lucent and LSI Corporation) invented the precursor to 802.11 in Nieuwegein, The Netherlands."



"A group of seven companies began development on USB in 1994: Compaq, DEC, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, NEC and Nortel."[/quote]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_personal_computers

The IBM 610 was designed between 1948 and 1957 by John Lentz at the Watson Lab at Columbia University as the Personal Automatic Computer (PAC) and announced by IBM as the 610 Auto-Point in 1957. The IBM 610 is according to Columbia University, the first personal computer due to the fact that it was the first programmable computer intended for use by one person (e.g. in an office) and controlled from a keyboard.

A programmable terminal called the Datapoint 2200 is the earliest known device that bears some significant resemblance to the modern personal computer, with a screen, keyboard, and program storage,... was made by CTC (now known as Datapoint) in 1970.
...the company had commissioned Intel to develop a single-chip processing unit;...the Intel 8008, the world's first 8-bit microprocessor.

The Apple II was released in 1977. Commodore and Tandy both released equivalent machines the same year, with the latter $600 cheaper than the Apple, so it's nice to see that their policy of co-opting others' ideas AND being more expensive continues apace <:



Ok, that is simply wrong. And your using this argument here just shows that, while you may not own their devices, you are nonetheless a fan boy par excellence

Funnily enough, you're a huge conformist. You're just too hypocritical to realize.

ffs you didn't comprehended a word I said and you haven't told me anything I don't know. I'm busy.

!! Now that is a response!

You are celebrating commercial success as though it is indicative of something more than simple commercial success. You are looking at prettily designed products as leaps of technological progress, when they just good design. And you are perceiving the amalgamation of others' ideas as groundbreaking when it is really just copying.

Yet when M$ do the latter people shit themselves. Obviously it's ok if your product is pretty <:

you only need to answer one question to reveal Steve Jobs' relevance and no-one else's at apple

Would apple be in the pre-eminent position it is in today without him at the helm? Y/N

clue: the answer dos not have a Y in its front

and yeah you forgot to mention Xerox's mouse there tony but agree w Smiley you are off the target

Unfortunately the more I respond the more I fall into the perceptions that your trying to create when I'm merely trying to inform you.

You've raised several issues and each one is different. Are we talking about Steve Jobs still? Or are we talking about Apple? Are we talking about consumerism? Apple vs Microsoft? Creativity? What is it you actually want to talk about? Because they are all different and quite vast subjects.

Research labs often discover shit no-one has a use for until someone visionary like Steve comes along and shows us all how

spoken like a true lefty

would Labour have lost in '78 with Norm at the helm, his elephant boots filled by a mouse?

the bloody bolshies in '17 without Lenin?

the reds in China without the great helmsman?

not bloody likely

ya see one man does make a difference

labs, science fiction or hollywood... sometimes all three

Apparently a naturopath killed Steve Jobs by recommending diet and alternative therapies to treat an islet cell neuroendocrine tumour. He quite probably would have had much more time left if he'd chosen conventional medicine. Cheers, naturopathy - stellar work there.

Retard deserved to die.

yeah that is utterly ridiculous to say he is no different to anyone else or that everyone is completely equal. His achievements say otherwise. Perhaps the rise of the computer industry - right place, right time, but what of Pixar, NeXT and Apple's rise from $10 share to $400 a share and several innovative products?

here, take note of the time in which he made some of these comments:
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/08/24/steve-jobss-best-quotes/

Do as I say, not as I do - Steve Jobs

I said he was no different from any other - not that he'd not made a difference

you retarded fuck

So ultimately you're saying he deserves this ridiculous outpouring because he was a good businessman, Smiley and NR? Ring-a-fucking-ding-ding! >_<

Did Jobs invent and personally design all Apple products? Of course not, he has staff for that, but it's *his* vision which lead the product design and usability direction that has made the company so successful.

Did Apple invent the MP3 player? Not at all, but they made the one that was truely mass market and the ease of use along with supporting ecosystem (iTunes Store) put an MP3 player in every pocket long before every phone played MP3's. Also, remember that before iPod, MP3 players looked like this:

For scale - that's the size of a discman.

Did Apple invent the smartphone? Nope, of course not - but they built the aspirational one that changed the way we interact with such devices and changed it from a phone to a portable personal computer in your pocket. Remember what smartphones looked and ran like before? They were fucking awful pieces of shit with terrible UI's, awful stylus interface, crippling bugs because they were rarely updated and just generally shit. As I mentioned above, early Android work looked just like a conventional phone, until iPhone launched.

Did Apple invent the tablet? Not really, but they dipped their toe in the water a long time ago with the Newton, which was truely a long way ahead of it's time, and was a true tablet, not a Windows laptop with a stylus-only touchscreen that weighs a ton and only lasts a few hours on battery.


Also as Dalai mentioned - iTunes KILLED bricks and mortar music stores. iTunes is now the single biggest seller of music on the planet - even more than behemoths like Wallmart. They did that by making it quick and easy for the user, and then leveraging the size of their userbase to negotiate good deals with the record industry, dragging them out of the dark ages into a modern business practise. With their clout, they were able to tell record companies "fuck off, we're not going to DRM these files anymore". It's unthinkable that we'd be where we are today in terms of digital media sales without them.


You can try and deny it all you like, but under his leadership Apple has genuinely transformed more than one industry.

You're being silly.

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But it was Apple that put those technologies (USB and wifi) in every single computer they built, as standard, long before anyone else did. They put all that into consumers hands, not just the hands of a few geeks buying high-end hardware.

I remember my first MP3 player fondly.

Back in the 90s I owed one of these

That diamond rio looks remarkably similar to an ipod.

rubbish it is quite clear you seek to diminish him by your opening statement

ironically, the board at apple will be anxious to asuure the market that this is the case too as investors anguish over his permanent absence from tthe helm

ok ok who invented the circle then eh eh?

That thing I found awkward and annoying to use on original ipods ? - apple.

You must have used a different one to what I used then, because "fondly" isn't a term I would use. (And the Rio was one of the best option of the time)

that's the flipside of his control freakery at apple impacting on us the consumer, the part that I hate - unfortunately you don't get one without the other

in your iWorld maybe - in mine all I stated was a fact

He isn't the company, nor bigger than - and once again I do not dispute the many achievements he personally and Apple corp have made

is it so hard to comprehend?

about the measure of it

Now who's being a contrarian?

It's always a bit painful watching the childish and ill-informed "emperor has no clothes" act performed in discussions like this.

It's worth remembering that resist and neil are just trolling weirdo shut-ins. Don't even bother engaging them.

I comprehend your written and unwritten words perfecly and don't try to hide behind semantics

and mine is an iandroid world and I have issues with them both

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!

Shut in ?

Just cause I hang with a different social group than you doesn't mean I am a shut in.

Hey, I'm a weirdo shut-in too! Guess I'm not trolling, though...

As for transforming multiple industries, I can't disagree entirely, but I see it as more an effect of excellent marketing, market placement, and market identification than anything revolutionary, so my incredulity at people wailing and gnashing their teeth about a successful businessman remains.

He was a shrewd and manipulative businessman, not a messiah

Like how you went for the personal attack when you had run out of things to say though :>

are you upset cause we haven't hung out recently? sorry, but you know i live in australia right?

SOMEONE PUNCH SOMEONE... COME ON!!!

it's delusional to think the iphone owes it's success to mostly marketing. You need something to market.

who's awailing and agnashing? certainly not i nd not smiley - just setting the record* straight


*uh I mean apple lossless aac

don't you mean lossy aac? (which btw wasn't invented by apple)

I will cede that WiFi was largely successful due to apple, again due to some smart business decisions.

However Apple resisted USB and instead tried to push firewire (a superior but non-standard format) they caved into USB after firewire failed to take hold.

and it was Jobs who led the design process from concept to product on shelf every step of the way

no denying he was manipulative and brand jealous as one would expect from him as co-founder of apple

in a week we are also discusing wall st protest it's worth while mentioning that so many of those protesters will be sporting iphones, the biggest corporat by wall st valuation of them all and one that is weathering these recessionary times rather well. For such a consumer company that it is this is remarkable given that their products are mostly luxury or discretionary spends

don't be literal neil

Too easy eh Davey? :>

Wow when you make personal insults people defend themselves ?

You really are a cockstain of a human being kris, enjoy dying at 40.

All of you need to take a walk outside please. iMeanit!