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as I posted in the Lounge the Russians were also the victims of capitalism

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20091109_russian_dilemm
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I wouldn't get to carried away. Twenty years of capitalist triumphalism has seem capitalism eat itself;
And I read Marxism is udergoing a surge in interest in Europe and elsewhere.

Communism 2.0 - coming to scare the beejesus out of a fat cat landlord near you soon!
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peat said:
as I posted in the Lounge the Russians were also the victims of capitalism


How so?

They needed capitalism because as the commanding heights videos show you: Russia needed to import capitalist technology, reengineer it in some cases and also adopt our prices, because they couldn't determine various resources values, only their approximate values.

That's what happens when you fix wages and prices though.

peat said:
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20091109_russian_dilemm


Shocking, somewhat predicted though.
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fish_boy said:
I wouldn't get to carried away.


I was getting carried away? I thought I was just posting the truth.

fish_boy said:
Twenty years of capitalist triumphalism has seem capitalism eat itself;


That's due to the "socialization of investment" and central planning through a monetary authority.


fish_boy said:
And I read Marxism is udergoing a surge in interest in Europe and elsewhere.

Communism 2.0 - coming to scare the beejesus out of a fat cat landlord near you soon!


Maybe in Europe, in America it's more likely to be a libertarian uprising. Re: see tea party movement.
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Rival said:
in America it's more likely to be a libertarian uprising. Re: see tea party movement.


one can only hope... who else is gonna save us from the socialist-nazi-communists, ACORN, and Big Science and the global warming myth! on, and the death panels!
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neil_armstrong said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/opinion/09krugman.html?_r=3&ref=opinion


You would have to hope that in the end their stupidity will be their downfall though.
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http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20091109_russian_dilemma

that's the correct link there for peat's post
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Night Rider said:
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20091109_russian_dilemma

that's the correct link there for peat's post


That was actually an excellent article, well impressed. I should add that communist pressures are ironically responsible for the corruption of America's state apparatus, IMF and World Bank. Think of the necessity to drop the gold standard, restructure Bretton Woods and force the western worlds adoption of fiat currencies pegged to the US dollar. IMF membership involves opening up currency flows and debasing currency from specie.

This is a significant factor in the global financial crisis, yes we can blame Greenspan in 2001, the breaking of the Taylor Rule and the inflationary policies which inflated the bubble, but it wasn't just America which was involved, it was these factors mixed with artificially low interest rates, fiat currency and the carry trade. All this debased currency flying around the forex markets looking for prospective yield. The crack in the dam was the mortgage market through Freddie and Fannie, but if it didn't manifest itself in this outlet, it was only a mater of time before it found another crack in the dam.

Now the world economy is highly volatile and unless we adopt a central world bank and currency, or return to specie (see gold going through the roof at the moment as more and more countries realize this), then things will continue unabated. This present strategy of adopting quantitative easing, is actually a disaster and it's manifesting itself now, everywhere we look. Well, I guess what I am trying to say is, it was the conflict with Russia during the cold war, and the OPEC oil embargo which caused the debasement of currencies.

Irony? It should be for all you geopolitical pundits out there.

As far as the military technology which came out of Russia being something to be in awe over, due to it's sophistication and sometimes superiority over it's western counterparts (despite America having such capitalist advantage) it has a lot to do with their monopoly over the commanding heights of the economy. This is has it's downside of course, especially on the common citizen who has scarce access to the materials, but for the military it was a major advantage and from studying healthcare systems recently in economics, it's very similar to the pro's and con's of a mononopsy health system.

The resources must be rationed on a ratings system (not a price system) and there are shortages (which in New Zealand will constantly manifest through Dr and Nurses striking ever four years) but there are also advantages because the supplies have no mark up and are thus very cheap. Now combine this with an authoritarian central bureaucracy and very little rights for workers (with fear to boot) and it can shift the resources surprisingly fast towards military requirements, free of resistance.

This must have been a boom for the Soviet Military, pity about it's people though.
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Rips said:
neil_armstrong said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/opinion/09krugman.html?_r=3&ref=opinion


You would have to hope that in the end their stupidity will be their downfall though.


And the worlds? climate change? geopolitical instability? These aspects will effect everyone, not just America.
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Rival said:
in America it's more likely to be a libertarian uprising. Re: see tea party movement.


one can only hope... who else is gonna save us from the socialist-nazi-communists, ACORN, and Big Science and the global warming myth! on, and the death panels!


A common theme in civil war, is when the political centre evaporates. This financial crisis and the corruption in the Treasury, Fed and Wall Street, along with the health insurance companies is causing this. The tea party movement is now full of different ideologies. It's no longer just a libertarian movement. It's a paranoid heterogeneous movement. I should really write an article on this, I probably know more about this than the people at Stratfor.

Not blowing my own trumpet, I can just see there is a lot of misunderstanding about the subculture itself, how it started and what it's now become. It should also be noted that a lot of these same social conservatives are being confused with the social liberal, fiscal conservatives. There are even people in the movement who don't identify themselves with Libertarian, Republican or Democrat. And division is evident, for instance Michelle Malkin, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh have ostracised Ron Paul and most of his supporters. Glenn Beck is possibly the exception, now allegedly identifying himself as libertarian.

Regardless, despite being entitled to oppose a public health care system based on the arguments of "rights" and the clause of being penalized if people don't pay $15,000 for their health plan, which includes: jail for 5 years and a fine of $250,000. They are all dead wrong about the climate crisis and attempting to educate them on this, seems like folly. The rights ignorance of science seems matched only in the lefts ignorance of economics.