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Supamaorifulla said:
This shit makes even the Black Eyed Peas look good. ...

You reckon? I'd say she's shown as much talent as the BEPs have combined in the last 5 years. Maybe they make bigger tunes but that's not how I look at the talent shown. Not saying she's any good but the BEPs are the benchmark for rubbish imo.
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missjess said:
Thats your opinion.... personally I don't like listening to the Edge at all, not my cup of tea. You state it like its fact when quite frankly it is just your opinion.


No shit Homer. ZM is definitely aimed more at yourself than me - morning crew has huuuuuge female skew. Stupid makeup corner and psychic bullshit etc.

RobW said:
You reckon? I'd say she's shown as much talent as the BEPs have combined in the last 5 years. Maybe they make bigger tunes but that's not how I look at the talent shown. Not saying she's any good but the BEPs are the benchmark for rubbish imo.


Lyrically the BEP are absolutely dire, I'm in total agreement. Trust me there's been no bigger hater of Will.i.am going around the traps than me. Fact of the matter is, though, they've identified their market and catered for it. Their music 'goes off' in cheesy clubs and people get down to it. It's light hearted and manufactured as hell, but it's still nowhere near this stuff. And while Fergie isn't the best diva in the world, she's still got a decent set of pipes on her and sings rings around Rebecca Black.

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gc.
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how attuned are you to the 13 year old girl demographic SMF? Cause thats Blacks market - well the older end of

its about identifying with the singer... living the dream.... "she's just like us"

come on man channel your 13 yr old girl self... but no touching
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bob daktari said:
how attuned are you to the 13 year old girl demographic SMF? Cause thats Blacks market - well the older end of

its about identifying with the singer... living the dream.... "she's just like us"


Hmmm I really don't see it like that eh...

Smile

gc.
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Good article imo. While it doesn't specifically say it, it manages to articulate in my mind something about just why "music" of that ilk is so goddamn annoying. Once upon a time you had good music and you had bad music. The good music was made painstakingly as an art. The bad music was also made painstakingly as an art but it failed.
Now, you can made a turd almost using templates and formulas rather quickly if you are experienced enough and lots of people don't recognise it because it's all polished and technically correct and following some formula.

This RB song isn't much different as everything that came before it as the article says it's the logical conclusion. - Except it's not the conclusion, because inevitably someone else will come out with something even more shit and we'll be doing this again.
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Smiley said:
This RB song isn't much different as everything that came before it as the article says it's the logical conclusion.


Except using the word 'everything' makes it completely and utterly false.

Wink

gc.
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gonna post inna this thread just because it's friday friday
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GOTTA GET DOWN
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fun fun fun

fun in the sun
can we go on?
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Supamaorifulla said:
Hmmm I really don't see it like that eh...
who do you reckon the song is aimed at? 30 year old men? turn the music off and watch the video and you have nickelodeon ffs.
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People still listen to the radio? Confused

New Zealand needs to hurry the fuck up and get Spotify, that way dumb cunts like Polly Gillespie will fade into obscurity.
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micarl said:
Supamaorifulla said:
Hmmm I really don't see it like that eh...
who do you reckon the song is aimed at? 30 year old men? turn the music off and watch the video and you have nickelodeon ffs.


It's not 'aimed' at anyone ffs - it is a spoilt little rich girl whose parents have paid money to indulge her fantasy of being a pop star. I don't see why people are confusing it with real music?? It's an utter joke, and the only reason we're talking about it is because it's just *that* bad that it can become an internet sensation. It's the lowest of the low, and not aimed at any market for any reason... It's just a waste of time. Bought and paid for by parents with too much money for their high maintenance, upper class, spoilt little ugly slut of a daughter.

Cool

gc.
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Supamaorifulla said:
missjess said:
Thats your opinion.... personally I don't like listening to the Edge at all, not my cup of tea. You state it like its fact when quite frankly it is just your opinion.


No shit Homer. ZM is definitely aimed more at yourself than me - morning crew has huuuuuge female skew. Stupid makeup corner and psychic bullshit etc.


^^ is funny when I imagine this guy saying it Very Happy

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SCATHING!
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Supamaorifulla said:
micarl said:
Supamaorifulla said:
Hmmm I really don't see it like that eh...
who do you reckon the song is aimed at? 30 year old men? turn the music off and watch the video and you have nickelodeon ffs.


It's not 'aimed' at anyone ffs - it is a spoilt little rich girl whose parents have paid money to indulge her fantasy of being a pop star. I don't see why people are confusing it with real music?? It's an utter joke, and the only reason we're talking about it is because it's just *that* bad that it can become an internet sensation. It's the lowest of the low, and not aimed at any market for any reason... It's just a waste of time. Bought and paid for by parents with too much money for their high maintenance, upper class, spoilt little ugly slut of a daughter.

Cool

gc.


Pretty fucked up that so many people ITT don't understand this...
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Agree with smf and g_b for the most part, but to play devil's advocate for a second - don't you guys think that it would be pretty fucked up if this ARK company weren't competent marketing types that were considering the appeal to different demographics etc? I mean obviously it starts out exactly as this spoilt rich girl's fantasy, but once they contact this specialist recording label, those people are obviously going to be pretty fucking adept at making the most possible $ out of it right?
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the three of you sound like old men.... stuck in the past, angry cause you just don't get it do you and it makes you angry....

another ob put it better than I can so rea this and think... think forward not back, think of the new world not the old... and FFS stop thinking like middle aged men

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1. Selling recorded music is not the only way to make money in music. Ark Factory came up with a new way, ripping off the parents of little kids. Let this be a lesson to you, rather than complain that the old model is dead, innovate.

2. Old media loves to piggyback on new media. "Good Morning America" featured Rebecca Black as did "The Tonight Show". Make noise and old media comes running.

3. Old media is last.

4. If you want to make an instant splash, you're better off starting online instead of hiring a publicity agent and using old wave apparatus to dun old wave media.

5. Shelf life online is forever. Like a land mine waiting to be stepped on decades later, if you can Google it, it can always blow up. In other words, a spin on radio evaporates, a YouTube clip is waiting to explode.

6. Young kids want to play in the big time entertainment world. Having been sold prepubescent kids as talent, they ask themselves, why not me? This paradigm, like reality TV, will never die. But like reality TV, it's only part of the landscape.

7. A tastemaker is anybody with an audience. In other words, Tosh.0's got more impact than Lucian Grainge or Lyor Cohen. Tosh.0's got an audience. If labels were smart, they'd figure out how to be a brand themselves and gain an audience independent of their roster, but they're dumb.

8. YouTube hosts videos for free. Too much emphasis is being put on how much Rebecca Black is getting paid. More important is the mechanism that led to her fame. Used to be you had to pay independent promoters to get your track on radio, hoping to have it heard and discovered. Today airplay is free.

9. Music and video production are cheap. Rebecca Black's mother paid Ark Factory two grand and got not only a song but a video. Not only does this beg why major label productions are so expensive, it reinforces the fact that anybody can play. In other words, if you're bitching about needing money to make it in the music game, you're playing by the old rules.

10. Train-wreck is more important than quality if you want instant attention. If "Friday" weren't bad, only mediocre, or mildly good, no one would care.

11. In the modern world everybody feels he's entitled to express his opinion. Fifteen years of the World Wide Web have taught people this. Track comments more than spins. Comments demonstrate that people care. But for how long?

12. Don't equate fame with being rich or longevity. Fame is oftentimes brief and oftentimes the famous make almost no cash. I.e. reality TV. But there's an endless parade of wannabes willing to prostitute themselves for a bit of fame. Is it the human condition or a reflection of America, where the poor can no longer be rich and fame is a substitute?

13. Those in the old world pooh-pooh. Yesterday's story was how little money Rebecca Black was making off her success. If you think it's about money, you've lost the plot, it's about fame. Furthermore, in the connected world, real money comes AFTER fame. It's old wave CD thinking to believe people will pay up front to experience something new. It's usually free and you figure out how to extend the life and profit from it afterward. With the mainstream media clamoring to feature Rebecca Black, she can get an agent and sign on as a host for Nick or Disney. Don't think small, but big. Don't think music, but fame. In other words, if all of today's Top 40 acts want to start clothing lines, which have nothing to do with music, why should Rebecca Black be limited to the music field?

14. Give the money away. Not only does it deflect criticism, it helps your bona fides. In other words, Rebecca Black is smarter than Beyonce. In the new world, you give back simultaneously with making it. Black is giving her profits to earthquake relief in Japan. How come she's smarter than all those stars who played for a dictator?

15. In the modern world, you're part of your audience. Don't place yourself above, but within.

16. If you're twentysomething and have been slugging it out for years trying to make it don't complain about Rebecca Black. She lives in a different world. To make it and last in music takes longer than it has since the seventies. The MTV era made stars overnight, which faded almost instantly. Now you gain traction slowly, only your fans know you, they spread the word online and you pray that you never gain a Rebecca Black moment, because that means you'll be ridiculed and be toast.

17. To get a lot of people to pay attention very quickly you've got to get lucky. I.e. Tosh.0 directing fans to the Rebecca Black video. You cannot plot success, your career map is not set in stone, you get in the game and try to get lucky. Better to keep playing and fail than polish one track and hype it to high heaven.

18. You do not need radio or record stores to make it. There is no physical product, airplay didn't break "Friday". Anyone telling you you need a label is sorely mistaken.

19. Either go for train-wreck value or be exceptionally good. Yes, if you're an "artist", mediocre doesn't cut it. The landscape is evanescent lowest common denominator crap or incredible art. In other words, if you're not going to be the next Bob Dylan or Radiohead, stay in school.

20. Rebecca Black is a bigger story than SXSW, certainly than any band that played there. Question the old game. Instead of wasting money to make yourself feel good, stay home and think. Come up with something that truly gets us to turn our heads.

21. Scale is important to instant success. Tens of millions of people can watch a YouTube clip in weeks. Nowhere near that many can see you live.

22. Broadcasting once not only fails in radio, it fails in TV. We live in an on demand world. Rebecca Black's video was available on demand on YouTube.

23. There are more people who want to glom on to a success and ride it to their own personal nirvana than can create something new and different and make it. In other words, there's a cottage industry of prognosticators and analysts jumping on the Rebecca Black train for personal advancement, like ME!


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Supamaorifulla said:
It's not 'aimed' at anyone ffs

I definitely think this is aimed at tweens ala Justin Bieber, nickelodeon.

I can't think of a single 13 year old pop star who has been successful with all age groups especialy 30 year old men. Bad music or not, it's not for you.
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its not aimed per se - that denotes market research and all that $$$ + expert nonsense... its just a 13 year old making a cheap as song and video which blew up thanks to many different reasons

it resonates with 13 year olds for one simple reason - they all want to be pop stars, well enough of them... and via Ark they have a crack at the 15 minutes of fame without the need of several million dollars of investment

now we can discuss this or siply go round and round and round discussing the lack of merit of the song itself - which is a waste of everyones time as no one is saying its a good song
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEooeVbA4U8
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opps
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oh god what a dickhead... I'd rather watch the friday clip on repeat for a month than endure his story
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refer point 14 above
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bob daktari said:
it resonates with 13 year olds for one simple reason - they all want to be pop stars, well enough of them... and via Ark they have a crack at the 15 minutes of fame without the need of several million dollars of investment


Where are you getting the idea that it resonates with 13 year olds? I've seen no evidence that tweens actually like this -- she is not the same type of phenomenon as Bieber at all imo...

bob daktari said:
now we can discuss this or siply go round and round and round discussing the lack of merit of the song itself - which is a waste of everyones time as no one is saying its a good song


Yeah, nobody thinks this is good at all, but we disagree about how universal we think this opinion is. I think EVERYONE thinks it's shit,even 10-13 year old kids, while you seem to think they love it or something?
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I don't know what they think tbh, my inner child thinks its shit too... but you don't get over 58 MILLION views on youtube without someone liking the song

even if tweens hate the song (by resonate I am not suggesting they like the song) the fact they know that making a song is now attainable to them and the world of pop is not for the very very few says a lot - ie i millions of young girls want to be princesses and pop stars...

she's not like bieber... ie hasn't been made within the current business world of music.. rather she just is warts an all
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You're playing both sides of the fence bob d - fix up!

Wink

gc.
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bob daktari said:
I don't know what they think tbh, my inner child thinks its shit too... but you don't get over 58 MILLION views on youtube without someone liking the song


Have you *seen* the youtube videos that get a gazillion views? It's all about schadenfreude (sp?) bro Smile
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My inner child hates everything on Nickelodeon too but it's still on air after all these years, so must have tweens who like it.
If tweens do actually hate this, there is no evidence to suggest they do, then I'd imagine it's more to do with them being influenced by the hate from everyone else in the world than hating themselves for singing "friday, friday, gotta get down on friday" around the house.
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there is no fence, the fence has been destroyed in this instance

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micarl said:
My inner child hates everything on Nickelodeon too but it's still on air after all these years, so must have tweens who like it.
If tweens do actually hate this, there is no evidence to suggest they do, then I'd imagine it's more to do with them being influenced by the hate from everyone else in the world than hating themselves for singing "friday, friday, gotta get down on friday" around the house.


Couldn't disagree with you any more.

Smile

gc.
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Nickelodeon lover?
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I have asked my little sister on FB; tween answers inbound. Personally I suspect they like it both because she is so easy to identify with (having come from complete obscurity she is the closest thing to Justin Beiber that I am aware of) and because the subject matter doesn't get much more easy to swallow than that, but we'll see ^_^
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micarl said:
Nickelodeon lover?


Just everything I've seen/heard is negative, regardless of where it comes from. It's objectively bad, for reasons already commented on at large ITT. The reason it's become famous is *because* it's bad. We're laughing AT her not with her. Although ironically in this meta-world that we live in now our own interconnectivity and shared hatred of the song has enabled her to become world famous, and since we don't really care about reasons for fame any more, I guess it's goal achieved. Thus being famous is now the goal instead of making music, she probably does have young fans that identify with her - BUT that does not mean they like the song.

Smile

gc.
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being famous has been the goal for um 50 years for certain "artists"... refer to all them that use their personal relationships and any other angle to feed the womans magazines et al

Its not about the music and for many never has been

I've constantly used the word resonate for a reason...

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"We" are not relevant to Rebecca Black.
If there's a market for TV channel's like Nickelodeon to survive then there's a market for shit like this.

Also, lol http://culturemap.com/newsdetail/03-24-11-rebecca-black-and-jenna-rose-revive-musics-violent-east-coast-west-coast-rivalry/
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micarl said:
"We" are not relevant to Rebecca Black.
If there's a market for TV channel's like Nickelodeon to survive then there's a market for shit like this.


2 redundant comments. Both points have been addressed earlier.

Cool

gc.
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So had your comment that we are all laughing which is what i was replying to.
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She opens by getting up and saying how she's "gotta have my bowl," which stoners call a wake-and-bake. And unbeknownst to parents, in the the underground L.A. dupstep party circuit, anytime you repeat the word "fun" more than twice, the third "fun" refers to a line of coke and the fourth requests an eight ball.
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micarl said:
So had your comment that we are all laughing which is what i was replying to.


FFS. As bob d stated you're suggesting that this song had/has an intended market which is essentially incorrect. This fame and notoriety is an unexpected bonus and bi-product of the song actually being so bad. ARK produce this stuff to indulge rich whitey, not to move units (but again that will probably change now... irony abounds), which is why they have a fee structure in place, because they know that what they do is not supposed to hit the charts. If they thought they were going to make millions then they certainly wouldn't be charging families a couple of grand to auto-tune their kid's shitty voice and shoot a 1-day music video. In their wildest dreams I doubt they'd have thought they would become so hugely famous.

What's probably more interesting is what happens from now onwards.

Smile

gc.
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I don't think Ark are targetting rich whitey - this is about the middle class - 2K is affordable so I'd suggest Arks business model is quantity at a reasonable price not one or two big spending rich dicks... rich whitey can afford a lot more

of course they could do it all themselves for a couple of hundy tops, but then ya don't get to hang with a man like Patrice...
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Results are in!

13 y/o half-sister says: "... (sorry to be negative) but no!!! it is soooo annoying and gets on my nerves!"

Though I have a sneaking suspicion that at 13 she may be too old anyway. I think a 6-12 y/o would be the ideal audience for this stuff.
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ennajel21 said:
People still listen to the radio? Confused

New Zealand needs to hurry the fuck up and get Spotify, that way dumb cunts like Polly Gillespie will fade into obscurity.


Spotify doesn't change the fact the lots of people like listening to morning radio shows, be it shitty ones on commercial radio or better ones on...where ever better ones lie these days.
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finally, the mix everyone has been waiting for. Suprised Mt Eden was'nt all over this already...

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wubblebubblegum yay
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Hahahaha that's awesome.

Laughing

gc.
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tbh, accordion-step could be the next big thing?
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for the radio-heads....

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/stories/032911radio

please note this is about US airplay, NZ is a vastly different kettle of fish

you're welcome
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Urgh more of the same... Some good points, some I don't agree with.

Smile

gc.
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Heard a good analogy -

Rebecca Black is the William Hung of 2011.

Laughing

gc.
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except she didn't need a massive TV show to spring board her into the spotlight...

she's way more of today than he could ever have been

Wing might be a more approraite comparison
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"X is way more of today than Y could ever have been"

Awesome line.

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otm
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Smile

gc.
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Poison pen people populate twitter
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Teen music sensation Rebecca Black and her internet hit Friday are actually a viral marketing campaign for a new movie, it has been revealed.

A press statement from Universal Studios says Rebecca Black is a character from the family movie The Music Factory, due for release on April 29.

Little-known 15-year-old actress Jessica Jones, who has portrayed Black in the Friday music video and in several television appearances, stars in the film.

The Music Factory, directed by Home Alone's Chris Columbus, is about a secret facility where cyborgs resembling young teenagers are created and turned into pop stars.

The film also features R&B star Usher as a shady record producer.

The Rebecca Black song Friday became a huge hit over the last month, garnering over 92 million hits on YouTube.

The sheer absurdity of the lyrics and video have inspired a host of parodies, a swarm of criticism and even death threats against the fictitious Black.

Some observers have suggested the song is a joke, but few could have imagined it was a viral marketing campaign.

More information will be revealed in the first official trailer, to be released next week.


http://entertainmentnews.instantfreesite.com/stuff.html

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hahaha do they actually expect anyone to believe that? Laughing Laughing
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cunts!
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This thread proves only one thing

The power of HATE
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better than hating granny who buys a camera phone and doesn't know it needs an SD card to work...
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Grannies come in undergraduate packages these days it seems.
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gummi_bear said:
hahaha do they actually expect anyone to believe that? Laughing Laughing

I took it at face value but then again my critical thinking skills aren't exactly sharp when I'm flitting around on the internet while waiting for shit to happen at work.
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Night Rider said:
Grannies come in undergraduate packages these days it seems.

That's pretty harsh and slightly un called for! Mad I therefore christen thee neil rider!
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Hahaha gummi that vid is epic.

DAVIL! SHAME! That was the link that I posted in the other thread. Look at the link mate... definitely a fake.

Laughing

gc.
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"Does his Mommy know that he is doing that?" Laughing
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Here ya go Davil:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/where-will-it-end-fake-rebecca-black-news-story-is-actually-a-hoax/story-e6frfro0-1226037328613

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HOW meta can you get?
A news article claiming that Rebecca Black's song Friday is a "fake" is in fact itself fake.


Laughing

gc.
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Haha, yes that was the article i read first which linked me back to the Fake one. Although i didn't see your link in the other thread.

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Good to see becca has biggie cred
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*cry laugh*

So good I have to steal Music