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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10522968

This is pretty huge!

Let's just hope the ICTY doesn't take years and years and years to determine his guilt. Since they have to close shop by 2010 getting Karadzic convicted in that time would be a great way to wind things up. That scum Mladic is next, I sense his days are numbered too.

This is massive for the people from the Former Yugoslavia. Karadzic is second only to Milosevic in the pecking order of war crime responsibility. And with Milosevic's death in custody preventing justice taking it's course, convicting Karadzic would bring a much needed resolution for the region - it would not be closure of course but a huge step towards it.

As far as I'm concerned the day of Karadzic's capture was a great day for the Slavs.
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another serb hero captured.
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Mladic to go
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neil_armstrong said:
another serb hero captured.


posting as vads today?
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Karadzic defended the glory of Yugoslavia against secessionists and traitors. There is NO evidence of warcrimes
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bellamysgirl said:


This is massive for the people from the Former Yugoslavia.


It wouldn't be a *former* yugoslavia is people like him had been able to project yugoslavia from the secessionists and racists that tore it apart
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vadinho said:
Karadzic defended the glory of Yugoslavia against secessionists and traitors. There is NO evidence of warcrimes


He slaughtered thousands of civilians in a single act after promising them that every day they would not be harmed. Surely even you can recognise he is guilty of the worst war crimes since WWII.

Not to mention all your usual arguments about sovereign states being able to massacre whoever they want doesn't apply here as he was the self declared President of Serbian Bosnia, giving him no more legitimate authority than the Bosnian Muslims.
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vadinho said:
There is NO evidence of warcrimes


Even if we run with your line of absolute denialism - which I completely disagree with - you would still have to accept that there is enough evidence to present an indictment yes? Or are you questioning the legitimacy of that too?

Once there are convictions, and there WILL be convictions you will stfu. Like you should have a long time ago on this topic
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neil_armstrong said:
bellamysgirl said:


This is massive for the people from the Former Yugoslavia.


It wouldn't be a *former* yugoslavia is people like him had been able to project yugoslavia from the secessionists and racists that tore it apart



I just never know if you're trolling neil or whether vads stole your log in.

In case you're being serious, nationalists tore Yugoslavia apart, Serb nationalists represented by people like Milosevic, Karadzic, Seselj, etc. [/i]
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one country which has two alphabets, three languages, four religions, five nationalities, six republics, surrounded by seven neighbours, a country in which live eight ethnic minorities.

But still, one country.
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A court is the place to sort this out.
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Jono said:
vadinho said:
Karadzic defended the glory of Yugoslavia against secessionists and traitors. There is NO evidence of warcrimes


He slaughtered thousands of civilians in a single act after promising them that every day they would not be harmed. Surely even you can recognise he is guilty of the worst war crimes since WWII.


Rwanda? The 78-day bombing of Serbia by NATO warplanes in 1999?

Many of the victims of "massacres" were shot at long range, which is evidence of dying in a firefight.

And there are no credible witnesses to any so-called slaughters.
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bellamysgirl said:
vadinho said:
There is NO evidence of warcrimes


Even if we run with your line of absolute denialism - which I completely disagree with - you would still have to accept that there is enough evidence to present an indictment yes? Or are you questioning the legitimacy of that too?


There's a lot more evidence to indict the leaders of Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia with high treason against Yugoslavia, correct?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7521993.stm


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Dramatic ironies of Karadzic arrest

By Nick Thorpe
BBC News, Belgrade

"Slobodan Milosevic must be laughing in his grave," said Zarko Korac, a parliamentary deputy of the Liberal Democratic Party.

Radovan Karadzic in disguise as Dragan Dabic
Mr Karadzic was posing as a master of alternative medicine in Belgrade

"Karadzic, Milosevic's old henchman in Bosnia, arrested by a socialist interior minister, during the term in office of a president who was elected by playing with nationalist politics."

The irony of the dramatic events of the past days appeals to the dark humour of many Serbs.

Karadzic the psychiatrist, posing as a master of alternative medicine.

Karadzic the gambler, who used to brood over the roulette wheel in the gloomy ground floor casino of the Hotel Metropol in Belgrade to escape the grim monotony of his war in Bosnia, gambling that no-one would think of looking for him in the Pinoccio Pizzeria in the Serbian capital.

An arrest which only a handful of people close to President Boris Tadic, and the new head of Serbian Intelligence Sasa Vukadinovic knew was coming.

Shadowy forces

"Tadic will go down in history as the Serbian leader who arrested the Serbian hero - Karadzic," Mr Korac continues, ironically. But he is confident that Mr Tadic will survive.

"This is a huge step forward for Serbia - the most important since the arrest of Milosevic in 2001."

It reflects, he says, the ebbing power of the military in public life, the network of over 600 retired generals and admirals who pulled the strings behind the scenes for so long, and the networks in the police and intelligence services who clung to the ideology and privileges of the Milosevic era.
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vadinho said:
bellamysgirl said:
vadinho said:
There is NO evidence of warcrimes


Even if we run with your line of absolute denialism - which I completely disagree with - you would still have to accept that there is enough evidence to present an indictment yes? Or are you questioning the legitimacy of that too?


There's a lot more evidence to indict the leaders of Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia with high treason against Yugoslavia, correct?


No there isn't. And more importantly, that doesn't answer the question I asked you.
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bellamysgirl said:
vadinho said:
bellamysgirl said:
vadinho said:
There is NO evidence of warcrimes


Even if we run with your line of absolute denialism - which I completely disagree with - you would still have to accept that there is enough evidence to present an indictment yes? Or are you questioning the legitimacy of that too?


There's a lot more evidence to indict the leaders of Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia with high treason against Yugoslavia, correct?


No there isn't. And more importantly, that doesn't answer the question I asked you.


1. How can secession NOT be treason?
2. No, there isn't enough evidence. not ONE credible witness
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Where does this grand-standing come from vadinho? Can you really say that there isn't enough evidence nor one credible witness? Either you must know this for a fact ( in which case please point me to your source please) or you are presuming that all the documents the prosecution are relying on have been fabricated, that all the witnesses are liars? You are being illogical.

As for your cries of treason, well before secession eventuated, Serb nationalists began discriminating against other nationalities, breaching statute after statute, law after law, even the constitution itself, until the climate became utterly unbearable for any nationality other than for Serbs. Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia did not want to secede, they were forced to it due to Serb nationalism which began to dominate the political landscape in the late 80s.
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bellamysgirl said:
Where does this grand-standing come from vadinho? Can you really say that there isn't enough evidence nor one credible witness? Either you must know this for a fact ( in which case please point me to your source please) or you are presuming that all the documents the prosecution are relying on have been fabricated, that all the witnesses are liars? You are being illogical.
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All of the "witnesses" are criminal traitors from either Bosnia or Croatia. In the former case, they were camp followers of the Turks, in the latter, neo-Nazi Hercegs.

You can't call them credible. Did any UN peacekeepers witness ANY massacres? Seriously BG? Surely in the years they were there, they would have seen something?
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^^^^^ it seems they did.
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bellamysgirl said:
^^^^^ it seems they did.


Did you read the report?

"Cite witnesses" is not "UN peacekeepers saw the activities"

They saw ONE man being shot. Not a massacre.
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One man shot for what? No reason. Is that not a sign of what might be happening on a mass scale, considering, oh I don't know, the number of fatalities and the number and size of mass graves they found?

It is utterly ridiculous for you to suggest that only UN peacekeepers seeing massacres would be sufficient proof of them occurring. What is this Sharia law ffs?
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bellamysgirl said:
One man shot for what? No reason. Is that not a sign of what might be happening on a mass scale, considering, oh I don't know, the number of fatalities and the number and size of mass graves they found?

It is utterly ridiculous for you to suggest that only UN peacekeepers seeing massacres would be sufficient proof of them occurring. What is this Sharia law ffs?


You can't trust traitorous Bosniacs.

I would trust UN peacekeepers if they saw it happen.

What they have is entirely circumstantial
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mass graves, shots to back of heads, blah blah blah, circumstantial zzzzzzzz

fuck off idiot
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vadinho said:
Karadzic defended the glory of Yugoslavia against secessionists and traitors. There is NO evidence of warcrimes


Jesus your a fuckwit Vads...... Laughing Laughing

your mentality is exactly why there was a war in the first place

tell that to the people of Sarajevo.
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Radovan Karadzic's disguise was quite elaborate, but he didn't spend the past 13 years hiding from the Serbian authorities. They knew where he was all along....

Genuine repentance for all the horrors that Serbia inflicted on its partners in former Yugoslavia would be nice, but it's too soon to hope for that. Karadzic in chains will have to do.


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