purist statements

ive posted this in utter disgust at djs whom have got themselves involved in trying to pigeonhole other djs and the styles of music that are out there.
terms are merely terms. humans must give things names otherwise some have no idea where they are on the planet, but that does not mean things are what they seem to be known as...this is called hegemony people!

its a real shame that small nz djs like ourselves can't open their minds a lil more huh! all these djs are playing together and making records together under names sometimes no one knows whos who!
also many techno djs across the world play many different styles at many different events. we would have more of a scene if there weren't these sort of pathetic differences being pushed. the scene will reflect the society.
the purist attitude is definitely a white heady one and its quite embarassing i find to be of a white race and read such statements...
its al about soul brothers and sisters, not differences!

get over it.
live for music, not what you think its called.

Agreed, I have had a few debates in this very forum as to the merits of various kinds of music being referred to as techno.

I believe that it does not have to come from Detroit to be techno in the same way I believe it does not have to come from germany to be trance.

Anyways, it ain't batty hardhouse so that's a good start

whoa, hang on a minute.
i agree that a little more understanding is neaded sometime. but from what i read you seem to connect educated musical passions with racial intolarence ("the purist attitude is definitely a white heady one and its quite embarassing i find to be of a white race"). -although im not 100%clear what you mean because your post is kinda messy and chopped up.
there is nothing wrong with knowing what one likes or does not like, as you say "terms are merely terms. humans must give things names otherwise some have no idea where they are on the planet" -so what if something someone does not like actualy has a term or not? what on earth are you trying to proove? that some ppl actualy have gone to the efort of understanding something enough to be able to distinguish it from something similar. you dont nead to tell me (or many others here) that some djs play all kinds of styles, i can hear that for myself. for example: adam beyer produces and dj's some wicked wicked techno and sometimes he plays complete euro shit. that in no way means that one who prefers his more tekky offerings should acept his not so tekky offerings. he like many big name djs is just trying to bridge the masses and catter for the many diverse tastes that are at those huge euro parties - it is his job he is doing not a rule he is applying!!

"its a real shame that small nz djs like ourselves can't open their minds a lil more " -?? speak for yourself maya. that is just a lame ass coment and i think it reflect the disapointment and resentment you are feeling.

anyway, ive come across many of your negative shit stirring posts befor and it realy sounds as if you have some personal problems that nead addressing. realy, so what if some ppl dont like what you are into? are you realy that insecure about what you like??

I'm not into genre debates, tho I useually like to put my 2c in to clarify some points if I feel that there's some confusion, or I have a bit of info that I think others would be interested in knowing... Most people know how wide my musical appreciation reaches, especially over the techno spectrum (full spectrum techno ;] )
I am not against any style of techno, it's all amazing in it's unique way, and it's one of the strengths of the genre (and downfalls). The only thing I'm going to say about this thread is that nobody is knocking acidtechno, just that someone thought it'd be more appreciated in the trance forum, where you'd most probably find more people into the sound (when I say more, I mean more, not all, don't get me wrong, there's people here who are into it, but a minority).
I guess what I'm saying is that if we acid techno has no home, tech-house has one foot here and in the prog and house forums, so maybe we should all encourage people to post here, if there'

nice one sanders...

but you seem to have read the wrong end of the stick!

i am not dissapointed in myself or what i get from the scene at all!
i achieve whatever i want to achieve....
my comments were directed at people who keep themselves inside a so called techno scene and can't see out of it! then complain about how small it is or why people don't show to their gigs etc....
things are changing for techno at the moment here and that is y i have voiced what i have...cos i would like to see more people satisfied!

as for hegemony...one definition, and the one i was using is that of a self fulfilling prophecy! so i hope you get some understanding from this now huh?

i don't try to cause trouble. i just don't like prejudice or intolerance.

word!

response then maybe changing forums might be a good idea. I have noticed that many of the tech-house threads here aren't as supported as one might think, maybe it'll be different, or the same??

Anyhow, keep loving the music, whatever style...

And anyone into acid techno check out my pics of the mo:

Mateo Murphy - Bring It Back (Turbo)
g/o - Coming Out Of Nothing (Force Inc)
Barada - EP (Tronic)
Kings of Punani - Punani (KOP)

matt drake:

actualy i didnt mean that you were disapointed in your self, that would be a stink thing for me to say going only by your words. i said ".......... it reflects the disapointment ......... you are feeling". meaning: disapointment in the scene etc.
while im at it ill strike off the comment, about personal problems that nead addressing, if i may. what the hell do i know about your problems and your personality. sorry about that, i do though stand behind the rest i said.
there is in fact no efforts here in AK's tiny techno comunity to keep out subgenres such as acid tek. the scene is small and concists mainly of several conected circles of close friends. for the most part the scene survives on a social setting with friends supporting friends. its only because of the similar and varied tastes we all seem to share that has kept the AK's less popular subgenres of the playlists. the scene only reflects those within it and not society. if me or my friends reflected todays society and its many shortcommings then we would be fukt.
- its just a coincidence not some sort of acid techno genocide!
with this in mind you cant be surprised that some of us are not so enthusiastic when someone we dont know (i speak for myself) sugests we try something that we may already not try for a reason. and your dislike to our reaction, prevoking you to imply unfounded calls of judgement, just compounds the intolarence you claim you dislike. -thats why i mentioned that i was not clear about what you mean. i saw no grounding and just interpreted it as an off the cuff remark.
so yeah. confusion, missunderstand or a lack off, defensiveness and hotheadedness again reduce another post into pointless venting. no body wins and valueble free time is wasted on getting nowhere. shit, for fear of me wasting my time right now ill end here.

im not clear on what you mean by 'hegemony' ? i understand hegemony to be a form of leadership. maybe you mean that also but the 'self fullfilling prophecy" adition sure is one heck of a curve ball.

cut the bitching guys
its about sharing and learning and hooking up
not dissing on another



hegemony = world domination
generally has a perjorative aspect

haha! its comin together.

mmmm...hegemony.

i thought hegemony was a type of mindset put forward by the powerful and swallowed like a pill by the less aware parts of society. ie by swallowing the pill, one believes the statement one has been given and now fulfills it...the self fulfilling prophecy.
i understand the confusion here though, for its a term that has been used in so many different ways and it exists in a part of society that is hardly understandable anyway at times! =)

i hope we all come together. some great minds workin here.

viva la techno.

dictionary definition of hegemony :

Leadership; preponderant influence or authority; -- usually applied to the relation of a government or state to its neighbors or confederates

people use the word to mean taking over the world tho (in my opinion)



i didnt see any techno this weekend. other shit happenin.....
lookin forward to Vanja next weekend tho!

I thought y'all might find this amusing.

And yes I am so lame that I got it off another techno message board!



Board Of It All
March 2003 WORDS - Gerald Raas-Weiner  
 
Have you ever got into a 'virtual row' with a faceless geek called Cockburger23? Have you been sucked in and riled by smart-arse comments from an anonymous opponent sitting smugly at the other end of your broadband pipe? Worst of all, have you ever subsequently run into him in real life at a party? Did you have to face up to the fact that you'd said something unrepeatable about his mother's penchant for 12" winkies up her pooper as an insult? Or did he take you to task for a comment you made about an obscure Adam Beyer drum loop that you said was shite? Either way, you'd rather rim your own Father than have to talk to him for more than five minutes, right?
Well, more fool you for venturing onto an online message board in the first place: especially one that discusses music. Such places can be citadels of covert cockfoolery. I mean, let's face it: music is one of the most subjective topics you could ever wish to talk about. One moment in life you can meet a 'likemind', who may appear to have a freakishly similar photofit of music-taste as you: next minute, they're admitting that they're "digging Justin Timberlake", and the wedding's off (you know who you are, wanker.) In a forum, you'll end up skipping hand-in-hand with in agreement by someone one moment, and getting bully-rammed by them the next.  
Music forums are made all the worse the further up the 'specialist music' food chain you get. And when I say specialist, I'm not talking dwarf-sex music. You're in real trouble when you move into the realms of 'electronica', 'techno' or, dare I say it 'the avant garde' - (or any music where devotees believe that the God of music has selected them as the chosen few: the higher intelligence receptacle to receive His latest Jeff Mills loop or Squarepusher tonal frequency). Going onto these boards can be like going backstage at London fashion week.  
The terminally-bored-at work. The socially excluded. The mentally imploded. The sick. The ugly. The talentless. The humourless. The curious, the furious and the downright spurious. Whether it's the virtually retarded, or the actually redundant, boards - like any community - can gradually attain their own type of micro-climate, attract certain germs that can survive the adverse and hostile conditions upon which they are run.  
Of course - that's not always true. I've made some very good friends from message boards. Often there's also intelligent and stimulating debate. The sense of community and friendships made can be heart-warming - a very post-post-modern social circle, if you can live with the nerdy association. Sometimes you even get laid in real life (hell, I ended up rutting a girl I met on a message board once, much to all my friends' amusement). At their best, boards can inform, entertain and please in a way that spending time with any good bunch of people you know can.  
But when they are bad, they are very, very bad. Indignation. Cheap insults. In-joking. In-fighting. Back-biting. Caterwailing. Histrionics. If only it were that good.  
Don't get me wrong: for the casual observer, there's nothing funnier than men earnestly and heatedly arguing about drum loops, and whether Jeff Mills has destroyed techno or not. But get caught in the middle of it and you'll find yourself becoming what you've always despised: sitting red-faced at your computer, seething with rage, drafting and redrafting your furious retort with calculated menace. You get consumed by the dark side. Newbies get shot down in-flames. Old hands groan wryly. Zealots get on their high-horse. People flounce off dramatically - exiting stage left. Voices of reason cry out and then disappear in the virtual ether, consumed by their own rage. People make aliases of themselves to say what they REALLY think (only those who run the boards know who they really are).  
But the real beauty of it all, as with today's e-mail culture, is how easily people can misconstrue each other. Even with a smiley after every sentence, without seeing or hearing the person you are arguing with it's sometimes impossible to completely know what they're really saying. It's like talking to an American - sarcasm and irony just doesn't translate. So paranoia is rife. And with a climate of intense competition in the air, an innocuous comment becomes a declaration of war. No one quite realises that they're taking it far too seriously.  
It is however especially entertaining when "the great and good" have got involved - major techno DJs or their representatives have from time to time been exposed with their pants down: squabbling like little girls over the last skipping-rope in the playground. These people deserve your scorn.  
And maybe I do too. Maybe I'm flattering myself to say that there's probably some thread starting on some message board somewhere slagging this article off. Well, here's my well-thought out and carefully observed 'post' in reply to you: "Kiss my cunt ".  
(originally published in the Overload section of the Dedbeat 2003 magazine)  

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HAHA!

i really enjoyed that!