poker thread

Ya that was the worst I've seen DN in quite a while :s He just has this obsession that he's getting levelled like every hand and that every hand is some super convoluted puzzle that if he solves, will end up with him getting all the $ heh. It's just it doesn't seem to dawn on him sometimes that "finding the answer to the problem" and "finding a way that calling could make sense" aren't always the same thing :> I've generally defended him in the past (I still think he mostly got SUPER unlucky / tilted on HSP rather than playing super bad) - but yeah he was playing just like a fish businessman here

In other news - how about Hellmuth's transformation the Big Game before that?! Epic aggression / timing from him, very good reading for the most part.. Was like a new guy. Still undid all that good work by being a whiny bitch when things didn't go his way towards the latter half of the game, but still a good start

ahahahahah Erik Seidel's twitter is funny as fuck

"Can't we arrange a swap with Iran? Release the woman due to be stoned, we will hand over the guy w the 8 mill dollar Iphone"

tx could def use some perspective, although the run has been hideous the loses are not that bad copnsidering the prev 10 weeks. will read that Bond post before I play today, lets see how +EV it is Def aware how unimaginative/tight im playing as well, all the rapings have robotised me

This is prob old news to you guys but I just saw Tilly vs Antonious HU on an old MySky recording ahahahahaha Patrick took the piss out lf her so beautifuly

watched that DN spewfest too, isnt he down hugely on televised cash now or did he make some comeback somewhere that I missed? With all the great players coming through and his lack of form DN must have plummted to prob a top 5 in the world player to waaaay down the order

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/phil-ivey-dice-drama-899830/



loooooooooool

hahahahah

MBN to be so awesome at poker you can afford a dice habit np

Turns out it was +EV to the tune of about $1300, courtesy of a final 4 tables run-good in the 50/50 until I make this giant cock up. Please be handing my azz to me on every street

Villian is break even tag who I expect to be pretty nervous carefully given 1st place is $9550

My thought at the time went along these llines
Pre: I dont want to 3 bet cos I dont want to play all in with AJ when villian will never 4 bet with worse
Flop: I dont want to raise/lead cos again I dont want to play for stacks (one eye glued to payjumps after my bad run obv)
Turn: I want to check raise cos the pot is too big to call and I think there is a chance he would 2 barrell. Oh ...he checked back
River: FML I think he has 44 or 55

My mind was pretty wounded about waeakish Aces cos earlywith 2 tables left I had stacked off in the bb with a8 when utg limped ak and the flop came A high



Full Tilt Poker Game #24821463986: The Fifty-Fifty (186315520), Table 80 - 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 03:36:48 ET - 2010/10/19
Seat 1: peliz14 (577,586)
Seat 2: IRON_FIST_NZ (297,87
Seat 3: shhhookem (405,621)
Seat 4: dubears (264,903)
Seat 6: babyskunkhunter (798,733)
Seat 7: NormanChadsWife (258,421)
Seat 8: RandomFish666 (345,85

antes 1,000
peliz14 posts the small blind of 5,000
IRON_FIST_NZ posts the big blind of 10,000

The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IRON_FIST_NZ [As Jh]

shhhookem folds
dubears folds
babyskunkhunter raises to 30,000

NormanChadsWife folds
RandomFish666 folds
peliz14 folds

IRON_FIST_NZ calls 20,000

*** FLOP *** [2c Ah Qh]
IRON_FIST_NZ checks
babyskunkhunter bets 40,000
IRON_FIST_NZ calls 40,000

*** TURN *** [2c Ah Qh] [3d]

IRON_FIST_NZ checks
babyskunkhunter checks

*** RIVER *** [2c Ah Qh 3d] [5c]

IRON_FIST_NZ checks
babyskunkhunter bets 80,000
IRON_FIST_NZ calls 80,000

I think your main problem here is you haven't thought ahead from preflop, it doesn't seem like you have much of a plan for the hand. I think if you're calling preflop for value (ie you're mostly looking to hit your hand, rather than looking to outplay him on a lot of flops) - then you pretty much have to shove this flop after he bets, or, at least try something trickier like call the flop then lead the turn and try to induce a spaz.

I don't think you can just call AJ preflop and then play it so slow with 29 blinds and a reasonably wet flop. There's soooo many gutshots and heart draws and lower pairs that could hit and put you in pretty FML positions on the river.

It seems like you've just gone, preflop, "Okay, AJ, that's okay, let's see a flop". But you should think first about what you're going to do if the ace comes (or doesn't). If all you're going to do is check/call because you're afraid of playing for stacks, then you should've just folded pre imo. Otherwise you want to be making a strong play for the pot on the flop or turn (even if you missed, for a lot of flops) if your preflop read was that you can push him off because of his cautiousness...

(I def agree with not 3-betting though. Given your line in the hand and that you're looking to payjump, I think fold pre is clearly preferable. But if you're looking to make a play at the hand calling and doing your work post-flop is better than 3b pre..)

so what your saying is....it isnt hideous but its not quite optimal? Thats makes me feel slightly better

Seriously need this break...have no idea and no confidence in my game right now, which is why i cant work this stuff out for myself

Yeah certainly not hideous. I like the call pre, but I would've either check-shipped the flop (depending on his c-bet %), or check-called then lead the turn for about 1/3 pot (because it looks more fishy and I think he checks back way too many hands on the turn that we really don't want to give a free card).

As played, I'm not folding for that river bet when every conceivable draw from an EP raise missed..

btw - the latest PAD cash game (150k buyin, over 2 weeks) is pretty sick, recommended viewing.

Durrr, Antonius, Alan Meltzer, Gape Kaplan, Elezra

*spoiler*: Durrrr gets pretty unlucky for about the whole of the first week, at his lowest he was down 565k - and then on the very last hand of the game he got back into profit after a mega comeback. So insane heh. Some awesome pots

lol poor PA that was so sick

ahahahahha fkn love Tony G

He's so awesome in this latest week He's just been a typical whale in recent times but now he's back to his awesome intimidating chat He'd be such a nightmare to play with when he's running well heh

Found Mike Matusows "Check Raising the Devil" at the local library and its a hell of a read so far. For those who dont know Mike was slamming the crack in 2001 and won ~ 1 million in 6 months playing cash games when he 1st started. he was high as all hell @ the 2001 WSOP ME FT, and apparently meth was the real reason why Stu Ungar slayed poker so much....in the short term obv cos Mike goes on the explain how his poker and life fell apart shortly after and it includes this great qoute (well its several qoutes chopped up by me)

"You think you are in control on your meth habit ..but suddenly meth turns the tables and it controls you , I was snorting 1/4 of an inch of a line to win non stop for 18 hours,. I would win huge for the 1st 12 hours but then I wouldnt be able to stop myself from continueing snorting and playing another 30 hours and give it all back "

This is such an awesome hand hehe.. The winner has been a real weird donk. Opening to 6xbb, open shipping a lot etc..

Aaaaaand here's how I just got knocked out of 35k



lolz

Fuck poker is a funny game sometimes. I busted out of DD-B so cbf with DD-A anymore, decided to play every single hand.

In the next 40 hands, I won 28 of them. Got AA, KK, JJ twice, AK twice, flopped a straight wth 74os calling a 3-bet from the small blind :> Here's two beautiul 72os too :>




LOL at this second one ?!

looooooooool

*SUCH* a sick hand in last ep of WSOP given how deep it is and how deepstacked these guys are.

(Spoiler obv if ya haven't watched it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IN3EJtMijo

Ive quit poker. Ive withdrawn my entire roll off all sites and sent filthy emails to Full Tilt, BWIN and Absolute support accusing them all of Doom switching me. Only Mansion survived not being thoroughly berated (and I think I abused them about 12 months ago anyway)

Fucking stupid rigged mindfuck retarded cheating fucking game! Im NEVER playing again. Ive bumped my part time job up to full time and I am quite happy commuting into town on the bus and looking vacant at my desk like a normal person 40 hours a week instead of feeling like someone stabbed me in the stomach 20 times a day. Ive deleted all my WSOP episodes off my MYSKY and Im returning the Matusow book to the library half finished. Not interested in all that shit. KISS MY AZZ POKER. I was fucking terrible at it anyway

How can you quit now.. you're obviously due for epic heater.
Quit after the heater :>

Yeah IRON_FIST... at least be a Sunday grinder?

Also, *please* post emails to FT,PS etc.!!

lol awesome. Yep its a cunt of a game.

post clearly exaggerated for lols ^ I have quit though. all that really happened was that I went on a 10 week tear then a 6 week slump. The losses from the 6 week slump were ~ 12% of the upswing profit... but it felt more like losing a mirrion dollars Halfway through the downswing my game started deterioating until by the end I was playing pretty awful weak tight ultra paranoid poker. Worst_Run_ever. Its just never fkn ended!

I checked my expected EV on Hold Em Manager and turns Ive been running @ 25% below expectation all year. 25%!! When you run like that and are not playing your A Game and your hating it its pretty much impossible to win. Im also sick of having my general mood dicated too by the coin flippyness and random bullshit of a stupid card game. This would manifest itself into me thinking "omg fml so sick" when a traffic light turns yellow on me. So yeah.... fuck that shit....Im out. Certainly for now and possibly 4EVA. gg & gl

Oh no wait thats right.................I *might* uhhhhhhhh play one day this weekend



AHEM




degen

Bubbled my first ever live HORSE tourney yesterday $150 one at Crown.
Got about 70 runners I think, top 9 pay, came 10th :s

Kept battling with this annoying as fuck euro fish who would just never fold. And not only that, but would like mini tank every street, and then *always* call. No idea wtf he's thinking about. Final hand, I was coming like 4/10, he was coming 2/10, game is 7 stud hi/low

He has the bring-in showing a 2. I have Q(54) all spades. I complete, folds to him and he calls.

4th st:
Him - (xx) J 2o, no spades
Me - (54) Q 2 - four spades now

5th st:
Him - (xx) J 2 2 rainbow
Me - (54) Q 2 3 still four spades
He bets, I raise, he raises, I raise, he raises, I'm all in, he calls.

He turns over 6 2o - he called on 3rd with J 6 2 rainbow lol, and then 1-outered trips on 5th.

So I need spade, ace, 6.. two shots at it.
Get a 5 on 6th which gives me two more outs at better trips, and brick all FML.

Hate euro fish So much worse losing to them. Fun tourney though..

Oh, completely forgot to mention my low draw, 7 or 8 gets me half the pot too

Fuck I've never felt more sorry for a poker player than watching Matt Affleck on tonight's WSOP
So ridculous. FHL.

Also big Scott Clements fan, awesome demeanour at the table

well played lefrancois, well played

ya that was so bad... to play for like 9 days or whatever then go out like that...

Him smashing door with forearm on the way out was hilarious -- I watched it over and over again lolz

Also, Duy Le's girlfriend is SMOKING HOT!

Havent seen her yet.... I must be an episode or so behind you guys, def developing a man_crush on Wiliam Thorson tho!

I got dominated by this hot asian chick at crown last night

She sat down, and like 2nd hand in she opens to $20 UTG at 2/3 - I had AQ and 3b to $65 from the button. SB calls and she tank-folds. Flop Q 9 9 - I get all in with sb who has QKs and take it down. Asian chick looks super pissed off and said she had A9. So she must have decided she didn't like me.

2 hands later, I raise to $11, she raises to $25 with like $80 behind, I have A9o and shove, she snap calls with 84s and rivers two pair

About 5 hands after that, she raises UTG to $20 again, I have AQ again and 3b to $65, she calls and has about $120 behind now. Flop 10 3 6, she open ships, I call, she shows 45o and I'm drawing dead on turn lolz.

So fucking depressing playing when you can't beat that shit :/

Hola poker degens! Como esta?

Back from South America now, didn't really miss poker at all, but now I'm back at work I'm hanging for some games soon!

Shame to see Maesto has been having such a shit time, stick at it dude, you know, as we know, you're damn good at this game, you're just catching awful variance...

Yak - that kinda shit seems to happen to me everytime I play cashies at Crown, it gets so damn frustrating...least I've found the level of play in their tournaments is more as you expect things to go, more predictable if you will...the cash games are a fucking crap shoot!

DUHAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!

Defnitely the best Nov 9 in terms of ability level although not as much fun for TV i think.

There just seemed to be not enough personality, smacktalk or talking points to make it really interesting, but the play was pretty good and I am sure Cheong cant be too happy with his blow up...... you could see Racener trying not to burst into a wide smile in the middile of the hand as the two chip monsters 3 bet, 4bet, 5bet BOOOM and he sits on his hands and payjump.

Insanity get some peeps together and we will set up a game at mine again. We need some new players now that Pech has shipped and Maestro has quit......

Love to mate, but I’m here in Melbourne with Pechora, too!

Final Table was interesting…I reckon Grinder wouldn’t be too happy either…considering how low he was on Day 8/the start of the final table and worked his way up to a great position, then spewed and shoved with that 33 (admittedly the call with A9 is a bit dodge)

Would have to see the full coverage, the ESPN is such highlights you have no idea of the history that makes people make the plays they do…you basically only see a small handful of key hands, and some of them look like dubious calls/moves without you really knowing the dynamics.

Wonder if that was the shortest Heads Up in main event history?

Heads up was like 25 hands - there's surely got to be at least a few that were shorter than that.

And ya I don't think Grinder's 33 was a spew... Blind vs blind his 33 crushes Duhamel's range, the A9 call is way more of a spew, you could tell Duhamel was tilting a little bit. I just wish Grinder took his time a bit more. He like looked at his cards and snap shoved, that usually is practicaly screaming "Hello, I'm either bluffing or have a medium strength hand" ... If he took like 20 seconds then shoved I think Duhamel might have folded.

Yeah, agree Duhamel's call was crap...even if you think your A9 is ahead of Grinders range, it's still a 60/40 at best for like 25-30 BBs AND your whole tournament life...awful

Man... does nobody live in AKL and still play poker.. jeez.

yeah I think Grinders shove is pretty average if you think Duhamel is super steamy and going to call even wider than normal. if you look back through all the episodes Duhamel had alread made (that we saw) quite a few CALL's when a player had made big play/bets at him so I think Grinder looking at 33 with a steamy call wizard in the hand with him might have found a muck for this orbit at least.


Any comments on Dolan though? thought he would have lasted better than he did.....or was this just a testiment to the strength of the field.

and Condio just cracked me up with his super ott emotional freakouts and singing, imagiine how he would react on a massive downswing, sequential 1 outers against him lol. he would explode...

lolz, racener is *such* a mega-douche: http://www.johnracener.com/

I'm still in the 09 deadmoney! :>

hhahahahahah lo

"If there were no such thing as Michael Mizrachi, the past four months of November Nine headlines would have been dominated by John Racener. Overshadowed to some extent by Mizrachi’s media funnel cloud, Racener has had to settle for the supporting role under the secondary spotlight. Chances are he’s content with that, however, and his chip stack of 19,050,000 puts him in fourth place and just a pot away from striking."


nice

photoshop threads in NVG are normally pretty lame but this is pretty fkn good imo:

A tad unlucky, but didn't play great either. That JJ v Cheong's ATcc was an abortion on like every street.

Sacrilege! They're awesome

lolz yeah that was terrible. lol @ calling like a pot size bet on river with that board after checking both streets prior :/

Anyone else think Racener's HU bluff-raise on river when he had bottom(ish) pair was pretty bad too?

yeah true, forgot about hand.



and in other online poker clip viewing how good has the old Pokerstars the Big Game been.

Helmuth Blow ups loose cannons bng smacked around verbally and in play, Tony G berating the hell of the internet fools (ROBL) massively entertaining as well as some good pokers

ya the Big Game is easily my favourite poker show at the moment. Even better than the later seasons of HSP imo

Yeah the Big Game fkn owns. Bring back Rick Rahim!! That guy is the best whale I have ever seen on TV
Tony G was simply priceless in the latest week he was on haha...

Re: Racener's bluff-raise gummi - I actually kinda liked it. He seemed to pick up that Duhamel was value-betting light, and Racener had been pretty tight up until then, and every single draw just got there. I was actually a bit surprised that Duhamel called, but I suppose he had such a monster stack it was just a *shrug* call. Pretty sure Duhamel still folds here a good 30% of the time.

btw anyone played any of the new Draw games on Full Tilt yet? Got added last week.

Was playing micro-stakes 5 card draw for a bit the other day, seems ridiculously soft heh. So easy to read people at that game. I wanna get into 2-7 triple draw. Hardly ever played it, but it seems like a higher variance, more brutal kind of razz Which is pretty epic.

7-2 triple draw is fucking sick...played a bit of that on Stars...it's so brutal when you get something like 2347Q and across your 3 draws get nothing nice to replace that Q and the get an A or K on the last one!

Is Tilt doing SNG Draw games or just ring?

They have draw tourneys, so I assume they do SNGs too...

Had a funny day at Crown yesterday.

Rocked up for the 4pm $250 aussie millions satellite. Was a bit stoned, so kinda felt like being a nit and just pay attention etc, and being completely card-dead facilitated that nicely, so kinda just kept above starting stack for the first 45 mins. Very first hand I raised in the whole tourney, there was one limper, I raised the button with J-10dd, big stack who was destroying everybody (not playing completely horribly, just hitting everything) called from the small blind, limper folded. Flop 9 Q K two hearts, big stack open ships with A8hh and gets there lolz.

So went over to play some cash. Within 2 hours, I had two different people say they were going to knock my head off if I don't shut up hahaha. The first one, a guy I've played with before, he limps ($2 / $3), I raise to $16 with J-10cc, he's the only caller, we see 7 8 2 flop. He has like $80 stack at this point. He leads into me $25, I call. Turn 6. He leads $30, I don't know exactly what I was thinking (lolz) but I call. River ace, he goes to bet then checks, he had $30 left. I bet $30, and he tank-folds 33 face up, I show the bluff and he's like "well if you're going to call that with crap then good on you mate" really pissed off... So I knew I had to target this guy :>

About 5 hands later, he raises in blind v blind, I call with Q4ss in the bb. Flop A Q 2. He leads, I call. turn 8 - he leads, I call. River 4 (hahaha). He checks, I pot, he snaps with whatever he had, and shakes his head, then this post-hand chat:

- You're a fucken luckbox mate
- Thanks man
- I was being sarcastic, you don't need to thank me
- Ohhh I thought you were being serious. So I'm not a luckbox?
- No you are a luckbox
- So which part was sarcastic sorry?
- Just shut up, stop talking to me
- So you get to insult me and be a crybaby and I shouldn't talk to you, is that how it works?
- I'll knock your head off, that's how it works
- What, you're going to knock my head off in front of everyone?
- No, in the carpark
- Why would I go to the carpark? I didn't drive here
- <mumbles more threats>

hahahaha

Then like 30 mins later, a new guy joins the table. He looks like a fun target right from the start. Has lame tattoos, is weedy but wearing a muscle shirt, dressed like he's going to a trance club later... A few minutes into his stay, this hand happens:

He raises UTG, button calls, I call in the bb with 23cc. Flop 2 J 8 one club, two hearts. I lead $20, he calls with about $120 behind, button raises to $50. Both the button and I have like $400 and is a bit of a fish, so I call, thinking two pair is probably good if I hit, and could get a disguised backdoor flush too, maybe too loose though. UTG calls too. Turn 9 clubs, I check, UTG checks, Button bets $65. By this time I'm getting a bit confused but what the hell, call anyway. River 3s - I decide to lead $80 as a sort of blocker, to stop the button over-betting a better hand. UTG snaps all in for less with 89 (one heart), Button snaps with J8. So everyone with two pair lol. Then this awesome dialogue between me and UTG:

- <UTG talking in the direction of Button> FFS. So lucky. Jesus... I hit two pair on the turn
- <me talking to UTG> Yeah unlucky mate. You probably should have folded the flop though
- What the fk are you talking about?
- The flop, I lead into you, you got raised by the button, and you're calling with Middle pair 9 kicker? I mean there's just much that could go right for you on the turn, and you were always going to be facing another bet.
- You called with a TWO ?!?! I had you smashed!
- I called with a pair that I can get away from, and a backdoor flush draw, and I'm deep against the button
- Whatever man. I had a backdoor flush draw too!
- Umm, you had a backdoor flush draw to an 8 high flush with 4 hearts on board
- I had the exact same chance as hitting as you
- Except when you hit you had a 1-card flush and I don't ?
- Just shut the fuck up
- Why? I think we're both learning a lot from this conversation
- Shut up or I'll fucken knock you out

Then like 3 hands later this hand happens:

He raises to $15, button calls, I call with K2ss, flop Kd 9s 7s. I check, the guy leads like $30 with $80 behind, button calls, I ship - they both call.
But somehow the dealer got confused by the action, and mucked the aggro guy's cards after he went all in hahahahahahaha... He goes "I'm all in" and the dealer goes "But you mucked?" and he goes " WHAT THE FUCK ?!?!?!!" when he realises his cards are missing and starts going *ballistic* .... I just kept absolutely statuesque afraid to move incase he belted me, but he was screaming and ranting and calling all the supervisers over. His cards were already in the muck so there's nothing they could do - in the end, they gave him back all the $ he put into the pot (which they don't even have to do) and ran the board. Aggro guy said he had AK, button had a lower flush draw, we both missed so I won with my King hahaha, he would've tripled up.

Very next hand, he raises to $11, I put him all in with A8o, he snaps with 92cc and flops a flush, and doubles to like $220. Very next hand, he raises to $11 again, I shove again with AK, he snaps with Q3cc - board runs out A Q 4 3 4 - I win with better two pair, and he stands up and goes "FUCKING COUNTERFEIGHTED. UNBELIEVABLE. COUNTERFEIGHTED." and storms off.

Ahhhhh glorious. So ended up $300 from cash, up $50 for the day, wheeee

Best part imo

Only halfway through the post, but I love this part. Epic description, Ive seen this guy around A LOT

omg i can just see you now in my head having that conversation hahahah the car park line is so gold. but i didnt drive?

wanna play some multi-table SnGs this w/end and was thinking of being a bonus whore.

Have accounts @ partypoker, stars and FT.

What else is good?

For MTT’s and MTT SNGs…none of the other sites I’ve played on come close to the quality, depth and regularity of the games on Stars and Tilt…like even humble 45 player SNGs take fucking hours to fill up, and usually on the Turbo ones fill up at all.

I want a bonus (and rakeback, too) but every other site I’ve played sucks, they have like ¼ the numbers of Stars and Tilt, at best!

How hard is it to get a second account so I can sign up through a rakeback site and get a “first deposit” (lol) bonus? Do they track you via IP address or just your email addy?

Pretty difficult.. They also track by deposit method. So you'd need to use a different CC / neteller account to do it without being caught eventually. And if they do find out, they could just confiscate all your $

lololololololololololololololol


http://www.pokertube.com/free-poker-videos?movie=15493&title=Epic_banned_PokerStars_Commercial

Balls...and being that my second CC is in the same name, that wouldn't help either...oh well...guess I'm forever stuck with no rake back or playing on a sub-par site just to get it...

Seriously, pokerstars rewards program is pretty fkn awesome

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/10198-young-shin-im-becomes-first-female-appt-champion

Helllooooo there

LOL - check out this final table.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/10208-pokerstars-north-american-poker-tour-joe-tehan-wins-la-main-event

Michael Binger, Jason Mercier, Anh Van Nguyen...

Then Tehan knocks everybody out winning what looks like every single hand hahaha

AQ > JJ
JJ > AK
AJ > 10 10
K5 > AQ > AJ (double knockout)
J9 > 87
K10 > K4

hahahah what a fkn domination

Also btw - some fkn ridiculous action going on in Macau right now Ivey, Durrr, Giang, Juanda all flew over for the APT, and ended up creating some of the biggest cash games ever outside of the Beal v Corporation matches by the sounds of things. Here are some cliff notes:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=22952230&postcount=968

who calls here, we have 2 x average stack. Both villians are pretty nitty but no real reads



Full Tilt Poker Game #25671976835: $32,000 Guarantee (198892617), Table 95 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:12:16 ET - 2010/11/18

Seat 1: big yute (5,061)
Seat 2: petona (24,209)
Seat 3: Meathead5844 (5,904)
Seat 4: IRON_FIST_NZ (20,624)
Seat 5: MC_D1980 (5,205)
Seat 6: stafeek (7,903)
Seat 7: GetRich2Day (7,055)
Seat 8: toneurban (8,869)
Seat 9: Ringelsdorf (6,471)

antes 25

Meathead5844 posts the small blind of 150
IRON_FIST_NZ posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #2

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IRON_FIST_NZ [Ad Kd]

MC_D1980 folds
stafeek folds
GetRich2Day folds
toneurban folds
Ringelsdorf has 15 seconds left to act
stafeek is feeling confused
petona has been disconnected
petona has reconnected
Ringelsdorf folds
big yute raises to 800
petona has 15 seconds left to act
petona raises to 24,184, and is all in
Meathead5844 has 15 seconds left to act
Meathead5844 folds

IRON_FIST_NZ is feeling greedy

petona has been disconnected
petona has reconnected

^^ I'd be wondering if that has any relevance... He's got a decent hand but fears disconnecting again so he just shoves? I've done that a few times before. I'd probably think about this and FML because AKdd is such a pretty hand :> But it seems a clear fold. Unless the guy is a proven drooler, then the range is probably something like 99+ and AK so you'd just be gambling away your 2x average stack. Fold, and keep a close eye on him :p

Didnt even notice that heh. he didnt play a single other hand until just now when he got them with QQ < AA and got bounced. Think he might have had some aq hands in his range but figured I was just too deep to stack off there, prob call if I had 10k though

Highly dubious that AQ shoves 90% effective of a 2 x average stack out of the blue like that.. but even if he does, certainly not enough of those hands to overcome the fact that every other hand you're flipping or crushed..

prob right

Still in it with 30 left, no stack tho. 2 x double ups please. well overdue for a heater this deep

obv had to ship lite and get bounced/ran into ak and lose the 60-40..cntt get anything going deep since forever. obv fkn rigged

The assumpation that he wotn ship aq is of course based around villian having a clue, which i dodnt think he did. But that was part of it....I was thinking he maybe had AA

its shit like this that REALLY fks me up



Full Tilt Poker Game #25725986979: $32,000 Guarantee (199349230), Table 154 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:21:56 ET - 2010/11/20

Seat 1: rmmckee34 (1,832)
Seat 2: kEnnywinThiS (3,330)
Seat 3: SirDamnHoldem (3,207)
Seat 4: IRON_FIST_NZ (2,847)
Seat 5: mitch_gach (19,906)
Seat 6: franzia90 (4,780)
Seat 7: JS808 (3,290)
Seat 8: QMD (5,300)
Seat 9: Risiko Spieler (2,180)
JS808 posts the small blind of 60
QMD posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #6

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IRON_FIST_NZ [Tc Td]

Risiko Spieler folds
rmmckee34 folds
kEnnywinThiS folds
SirDamnHoldem folds

IRON_FIST_NZ raises to 308
mitch_gach calls 308
franzia90 folds
JS808 folds

QMD calls 188
*** FLOP *** [9d 5s 7h]

QMD bets 840
IRON_FIST_NZ has 15 seconds left to act

IRON_FIST_NZ raises to 1,680
mitch_gach has 15 seconds left to act
mitch_gach folds
QMD has 15 seconds left to act

QMD calls 840
*** TURN *** [9d 5s 7h] [4s]

IRON_FIST_NZ: lol
QMD bets 900
IRON_FIST_NZ: at that flat
IRON_FIST_NZ has 15 seconds left to act
IRON_FIST_NZ: good job
IRON_FIST_NZ:
IRON_FIST_NZ calls 859, and is all in
QMD shows [4d 4h]
IRON_FIST_NZ shows [Tc Td]
Uncalled bet of 41 returned to QMD
*** RIVER *** [9d 5s 7h 4s] [9s]

QMD shows a full house, Fours full of Nines
IRON_FIST_NZ shows two pair, Tens and Nines
QMD wins the pot (6,062) with a full house, Fours full of Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6,062 | Rake 0
Board: [9d 5s 7h 4s 9s]
Seat 1: rmmckee34 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: kEnnywinThiS didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: SirDamnHoldem didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: IRON_FIST_NZ showed [Tc Td] and lost with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 5: mitch_gach folded on the Flop
Seat 6: franzia90 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: JS808 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: QMD (big blind) showed [4d 4h] and won (6,062) with a full house, Fours full of Nines
Seat 9: Risiko Spieler didn't bet (folded)


How do you justify that. ever

People do that all the time now. Call OOP with a small-medium pair then lead out / don't give up when no A/K/Q etc comes. Yeah it's pretty tilting

Been playing NL 2-7 triple draw exclusively last few days, awesome game, really enjoying it.. It can be super brutal at times (like most lowball games really) but it's mostly pretty easy to play.

Had the house to myself all day yesterday so played $4 180 man SnGs on stars for most of the day... most tilting day of my fkn life

Neil Channing GOLD

http://www.pokertube.com/ChannelFilms.aspx?movie=14945&title=Neil_Channing_on_staking_players&player=1&content=1020&page=0

Btw - new cliffnotes thread has been created to follow this action..

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/nosebleed-cash-games-macau-cliff-notes-version-921898/

Awesome post:




lol?

haha...classic

Nice to finally meet you on the weekend, Yak...see you around sometime soon no doubt!

heh thats funny .......but the washed up and bitter poker player inside me questions what the fuck rooms are doing turning one of the few gold mines left online into yet another tight winning player.

This mentality which leads to good players obsessions with discussing hands in forums and creating training sites have totally cooled the once scalding hot faucet of positive expectation. Its too late now...... but do you think this would have been the case if those with clues had just STFU instead

We can only hope that the asian market takes off (unlikely without an asian Moneymaker since they already love baccarat/their own games) and/or the american market sorts its credit issues out..and/or all the bright young minds go back to training to be lawyers. The game is loads harder now than it was 3/4 years ago and its only going to get worse. Soon it will just be the rounders pushing chips back and forth desperatly trying to relive the glory days and getting owned by the rake

slight exaggeration as it will obviously always still be beatable especially for the elite, but I get the felling the industry is well into starting to eat itself

EVIL THINGS IN POKER


1) Poker Forums

2) Training Sites

2.5) Any strategy discussion. ever

3) HUDS/Poker Office/Pokerstove/HEM/SnG Power Tools (look whats happened to sngs)

5) Dodgy sites/Superusers

6) Jamie Gold

7) Rakeback

How is rakeback evil?

I see what you're getting at with the others, but rakeback?

Gotta remember, they game isn’t solely about making money, if that’s all you want from it, you should probably stop playing online now, or take a solid bankroll and play cash tables at the casino where there’s more gamble and easier money (though the variance is higher)…it can be about the game, about getting better at the game, and sorry, but you don’t improve if you only target easy games against weak players. You improve by playing players better than yourself, or at least on par with you.

You too dude.. shame I couldn't stick around for longer haha. let me know anytime you're heading down there I'm playing the $300+40 opening event of the Joe Hachem Deep Stack series this Sunday, lookin forward to a proper deep-stack cash tourney, been ages since I've played one.

Pretty fkn disappointed that you fellas didn't hurl streams of profanities and insults at each other tbh

Insanity…my posts are mostly tongue in cheek (which I prefaced in my 1st sentence)

Your point about learning and improving from better players is fine except it doesn’t address the point that the games are less profitable these days when virtually the entire poker community makes fewer mistakes. Its doesnt really matter how good you are, or think you are going to get, this development is wildly –EV.

Rakeback is evil cos it meant (in cash games) you literally made money by folding. (Although understand at least some RB/Poker sites have changed its formula now to pay out actually contribution to rake, rather than just dealt-in)

Live cash poker can fkn bite my ass, I’ll start listening to you guys about it when one of you actually starts becoming profitable doing it. Judging from your posts it’s a freakin nightmare

Live cash is definitely massively profitable (certainly far more so than online); the main problem is that there's no microstakes live. So the minimum you'd want to play is like $2/3, which has a max buyin of $200, so you pretty much need to bring like $1000-1500 with you to survive even relatively standard variance. Even then, you're only starting 67 blinds deep so it's still not a proper cash game imo. The first level where they let you buyin for 100 blinds is $2/5, in which case you want to have like $2500-3000 with you. So it can get expensive trying to chase away variance.

With good bankroll management (which I'm horrible at), and good tilt-control (which I'm pretty bad at) - I'm definitely convinced that live-cash is the most profitable form of poker there is.

It seems like every time I play at crown, I'm getting all in with like A7os for $200 vs J-10off, and they always call "because I knew you were full of shit and I have two live cards". That stuff would happen for $10 at a 5c/10c game online, but you'd never get that happening for $200. As long as you can survive the short term variance of stuff like that, live is awesome.

hmmmmm interesting. Lets try find someone to back us with $20K in roll and a whole swag of Valium then. I think my biggest problem would be patience and inability to walk away when stuck like you said

Im obv notorious for my dismissing of live cash, but I was thinking about giving it a go and just nitting it up something horrible to reduce variance. Come to think of it deadmoney said he did ok @ Crown over a decent sample, and he's a giant nit so it could be true

This is less and less true.

Microstakes is filled with people who can't afford to make big deposits and are the biggest nits ever :/

At SkyCity - being a total nit is absolutely the way to go. I did pretty well over my whole time there playing in the $5/5 and $5/10 games, but struggled something chronic in the $2/3 and $1/2 games they had because I never played like a nit. My strength was always in hand-reading, so when I knew somebody was on the draw, I'd usually try to price them out, thinking "either I win the pot, or they are overpaying for the draw" - but against people who basically never fold, it just turns it into a massive variance war. On reflection I should've had way more pot control on flops, and try not to have to bet 3 streets with like TPTK or small two pair kinda hands.

Crown is actually noticeably easier for me at the lower stakes, because people here are better overall. People mostly take it seriously, and there's only 1-2 people at the table who are the absolute fish who never fold, as opposed to 3-4 at SkyCity. So my bluffs work better, and people are a little easier to read etc. I usually only bring like $800 with me though, so I've made the mistake of playing a high-variance style with only 4 buyins the last couple times.

You should really think about giving it a proper go though. Once you get out of your preflop-tourney-donk mindset () you'll see there's SO much more to analyse and think about in cash games and I think you'll find yourself getting less bored. I think that's primarily a symptom of you multi-tabling tourneys and not really paying attention as much to hands that you're not involved in, so when you're sitting there live and zone out when you're not in the hand, there's nothing else to really do. But after a while you'll grow accustomed to considering each hand a puzzle that needs to be solved regardless of whether you're active or not, and you'll pick up heaps of little bits of info that you can put to use. And there's usually someone at the table you can have good yarn to as well.

Yeah true, they're pretty solid even at that level. I'm pretty much giving up on NLHE cash online. There's no point.. You have to be like a full-time pro, comfortable with 6+ tabling and savvy with all the software available to really make a go of it these days. I think the soft points are anything live, online tourneys, and online PLO cash and other games - in that order.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=23076102&postcount=30

This guy's avatar destroys me every time I see it. She might be the hottest chick in the world, but I can't be completely sure because it's a fkn thumbnail. I spent a good couple of hours once trying to find out who it is but nobody knows. I could watch it all day :o

lol

i cbf finding the poster right now, but theres one who posts a bit in HSMTT with the azn (prob Japanese) promo girl doing this mega cute "finger pistols/Oh no not you" type routine that once had me tranfixed for days while I supposed to be grinding

The poster is 1outter ... Well aware of his work

Loose pre flop, nitty as fuck post flop (unless you've got a good read and think you can get them off their hand/draw)

i feel that I am going to have to wade into his live cash discussion with a huge AMEN that it is the easiest and most profitable form of poker (at least for me)

I played minimum 5 days a week for about 7 months and was decently profitable despite my terrible leaks
Poker (like most sports in case you havnt noticed) is about WINNING and in this case making MONEY not how you play or what style is sexy, just ask the All Blacks how far pretty rugby and expansive, fan pleasing play gets you in a world cup.
And I am actually far less of a nit than people think and all the regs at sky that I played with actually got this in the end after seeing me play lots. It just happens to be a profitable image to have.

And generally in a game that limits your buyin to $150 that has an opening raise size of $12-25 being a nit until you have double, triple,quadrupled your stack size actually makes sense as does limping AK and other vulnerable but strong hands and topping up to max buy in every hand until you go below $150

I remember reading something in either Harrington on Holdem or Sklaknsky Theory of Poker (think the latter) that in a certain type of game with complete novices and fish where you were likely to get called with bets way bigger than the pot then you should try and get to the river as cheaply as possible and then go all in every time your hand was likely to be best. Now im not saying thats what i do but it always stuck in my mind when playing at the Sky that I didnt need to do even a quarter of the things that are standard for tourneys cause my made hands will get paid.

The patience thing cant be that big of an issue for you Maestro your just used to online. I remember you grinding everynight on LIVE $1/$2 LIMIT HOLDEM in 2004.

Live cash and good consistent paydays certainly beat spending 48hours in 3 days in front of your PC and bubbling everything for negative returns.

Tourneys are still very worthwhile, but yeah you're destined to go crazy playing them exclusively imo. They do my head in after 2-3 days of running bad - I don't know how you handled weeks of it Maestro heh. Well, you didn't handle it well always right :>

Make living off cash, then play 10-15 tourneys a week and hope for the occasional 10k+ score is the way to go.

poker is shit lol

heh ya but when I grinded the limit pokers I had only just discovered the game and I found everything about it absolutely fascinating . I also dreamed of getting good enough at it to leave behind a job that I hated. I played LIVE LIMIT 4 weeknights a week till at least midnight with a reasonably stressfull full time job. Im amazed that I had the energy.... but thats love for you

fwiw I NEVER played the 1/2. That game was a carnival show. Its had 8/9 players to the flop nearly every hand! I played the 5/10 I think it was?... until I worked out the 10/25 wasnt actually tough at all after peering at it intimidated for months. *brag* I logged all my rssults up there and made 10k in 200 hours. Just shows how soft it really was back then though as I didnt really know what i was doing techncally and made almost no effort to hide or decipher tells. Plus i would drink and even occasionally eat BZP lol

and ya...I used to lose my rag a fair bit but not toooo bad. Its harder to tilt/lose bankroll disastoursly fk sp in MTT's cos its obvious when you do that rejoining is pointless. I think my worst leak was not having the sense to take breaks and decompress from it all with nice holidays. especially after good scores when it would have been so easy to do so. A suprising amount of top players are backed too, which i never wanted to do (and still dont)

u guys are def making some sense sop i appreciate your long explanations. I expect I will still stubbornly refuse to try it though. Right now Im enjoying my break from poker, although i may be forced back if my current temp job goes tits up which is may well do

anyway i know im bitching about the game and probably coming across like an azz but the truth is Im extremely grateful to poker, before I discovered poker I use to GAMBLE, and that was never going to end well. I hardly gamble at all now save Cup day and the odd lotto ticket ( i dont consideer poker "gambling"

*review* hummm I sure like talking about me

Im finally starting to get this

joshaucks star shone so brightly yet briefly

You can come play a live fish game with me if you want. every two weeks on a Friday night (although probably not over xmas period)
I have played there about 50 times in the past 4 years and had 4 losing nights. = easiest game ever, not sure why they invite me back.

This game is actually my experimentation ground where I try my "new" tricks etc etc.


Seriously though Maestro you need to reengage with what makes poker FUN which is live smacktalk during fun home games/ round up some likely players and i will set up another game at my house where we can do some flips and generally be completely unresult orientated get drunk and suck out on every hand...

lol

I actually found that having this game kept me sharp at Sky cause I would play wild and try crazy things at this lower stakes fun game and then walk into Sky and be ULTRA focused on winning and playing the best I could. Had some wicked sole reads at Sky when i was in the zone.