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seeing as there hasn't been a poker thread in here in ages i thought i'd start one up about what's going on in the poker world

the second series of full tilt pokers million dollar cash game has just been aired overseas and is up on www.pokertube.com click on Million Dollar Cash Game 02 on the right hand side. lots of familiar players from last time with the lineup of
Tony G
Eric Seidel
Alen Cunningham
Andy Bloch
Chris 'Jesus' Ferguson
Phil Ivey
Patrick Antonius
Eric Lindgren

table with quite a few nits so its not as exciting as the high stakes series but its still a good watch. Brian Townsend aka sbrugby or aba20 (huge online player) comes in at the end to replace Lindgren.

Quite a few interesting hands but i wont post any spoilers in case anyone wants to watch it..

New series of Poker After Dark has started in the US with the first episode being an online qualifer picking a table of his favourite players to play against. The table has matusow, negreanu, hellmuth, jen harman and scotty nguyen. The amateur is an ABSOLUTE FUCKING DONKEY like BEYOND donkey its actually one of the funniest things ive ever seen, he stays quiet in the first few episodes but in the final episode his talk is sooo funny! he says stuff like "wow phil you cant be raising without an ACE in your hand that would just be stupid" then folds when its 3 handed! and finds it weird when they dont check down a hand to get him eliminated lol. Can see it on pokertube on Poker After Dark season 3. The qualifiers for the PAD thing on full tilt come a lot from free rolls as well as buy ins so i guess thats why this guy made it..

Aussie millions main event is on sometime soon, maybe next couple of days? or next week? few events have been on already with last years runner up jimmy "gobboboy" fricke winning the 500$ mixed stud event, theres been an 1100 HLHE but most of the players weren't very well known, most of them are in the bahamas for the PCA an european tour event. This event has brought a whole lot of internet phenoms down to the bahamas as well as the notable US players.

Anyone follow the big games of full tilt? so many actions most days, i check most of the results on www.highstakesreport.com and just watch them (althought it hasnt been updated for a few days, its usually updated every day without fail..)

Was watching Zigmund aka Ilari Sahamies play Ivey the other day on the ivey thunderdome, which is Iveys own table on Full Tilt and its pot limit omaha (sahamies best game) with blinds of 500/1000

some fucking sick hands here! usual buy in is 100k and theres always big rebuys between these players. heres some good hands

Full Tilt Poker Game #4779809348: Table Ivey Thunderdome - $500/$1000 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 0:06:54 ET - 2008/01/08
Seat 1: Phil Ivey ($144,385)
Seat 2: Ziigmund ($155,607.50)
Ziigmund posts the small blind of $500
Phil Ivey posts the big blind of $1,000
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Ziigmund raises to $3,000
Phil Ivey calls $2,000
*** FLOP *** [Ts Js 9c]
Phil Ivey checks
Ziigmund bets $6,000
Phil Ivey calls $6,000
*** TURN *** [Ts Js 9c] [3c]
Phil Ivey checks
Ziigmund bets $18,000
Phil Ivey calls $18,000
*** RIVER *** [Ts Js 9c 3c] [6c]
Phil Ivey has 15 seconds left to act
Phil Ivey bets $45,000
Ziigmund calls $45,000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Phil Ivey shows [As 8s Tc 4c] a flush, Ten high
Ziigmund mucks
Phil Ivey wins the pot ($143,999.50) with a flush, Ten high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $144,000 | Rake $0.50
Board: [Ts Js 9c 3c 6c]
Seat 1: Phil Ivey (big blind) collected ($143,999.50)
Seat 2: Ziigmund (small blind) mucked

and heres a SICK pot with ivey making a STRAIGHT FLUSH!

Full Tilt Poker Game #4780023440: Table Ivey Thunderdome - $500/$1000 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 0:27:05 ET - 2008/01/08
Seat 1: Phil Ivey ($363,042)
Seat 2: Ziigmund ($103,997.50)
Phil Ivey posts the small blind of $500
Ziigmund posts the big blind of $1,000
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Phil Ivey raises to $3,000
Ziigmund raises to $9,000
Phil Ivey calls $6,000
*** FLOP *** [6s 8s Ac]
Ziigmund checks
Phil Ivey checks
*** TURN *** [6s 8s Ac] [7s]
Ziigmund bets $18,000
Phil Ivey has 15 seconds left to act
Phil Ivey calls $18,000
*** RIVER *** [6s 8s Ac 7s] [Qc]
Ziigmund bets $54,000
Phil Ivey raises to $108,000
Ziigmund has 15 seconds left to act
Ziigmund has requested TIME
Ziigmund calls $22,997.50, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $31,002.50 returned to Phil Ivey
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Phil Ivey shows [5s 9s Js 3h] a straight flush, Nine high
Ziigmund mucks
Phil Ivey wins the pot ($207,994.50) with a straight flush, Nine high
Ziigmund adds $100,000
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $207,995 | Rake $0.50
Board: [6s 8s Ac 7s Qc]
Seat 1: Phil Ivey (small blind) collected ($207,994.50)
Seat 2: Ziigmund (big blind) mucked

saw this hand live and zig took a hell of a long time to make the call, must have a smaller flush or the straight i think..

hopefully this thread will be an ongoing one with people updating what they've been watching, game results and how they've been doing..

Very Happy
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Heres some reading material for y'all, I'll post a massive self undulgent moan about my own recent misfourtunes later


A BIG DEAL
Dec 19th 2007


Poker is getting younger, cleverer, duller and much, much richer

DOYLE BRUNSON (above, left) is a poker legend. Twice winner of the
game's most prestigious annual tournament, the World Series of Poker
(WSOP), held in Las Vegas, the cowboy-hat-clad southerner
affectionately known as Texas Dolly also wrote what many consider to be
the bible of poker theory, "Super System: A Course in Power Poker". His
reputation among card-shufflers borders on the superhuman. Indeed,
after fighting off supposedly terminal cancer in the 1960s, he
celebrated his return to the cardrooms with 53 straight wins. Adding to
the mystique, both of his World Series titles were won with exactly the
same cards: a full house of tens over twos.

Now in his mid-70s, Mr Brunson is still going strong. But not strong
enough for Annette Obrestad (above, right), who beat the old master and
361 other entrants in September to win the first ever WSOP event held
outside America. Miss Obrestad's victory, which netted her GBP1m ($2m),
shows how much poker has changed since the days when Texas Dolly,
Amarillo Slim Preston and Jack "Treetops" Straus held sway. She is only
19 (making her the youngest ever winner of a World Series bracelet) and
she is, of course, a woman. She hails from Norway, not Nevada. And
though she had previously won over $800,000 in internet tournaments,
the event at London's Empire Casino was the first time she had
encountered serious opposition in the flesh. The poker press refers to
her by her online moniker, annette_15.

Miss Obrestad's route to the grand prize--dumped on the final table in
bundles of $50 notes, as is the World Series tradition--required her to
see off such modern-day poker luminaries as Chris "Jesus" Ferguson, a
hirsute scholar of game theory, Dave "Devilfish" Ulliott, a somewhat
less cerebral but wily British professional who wears diamond-encrusted
knuckledusters, and Phil "Poker Brat" Hellmuth, arguably the most
celebrated (not least by himself) modern player. Jim McManus, a poker
player and historian, describes the young Scandinavian's win as a
"startling milestone".

Yet it is also part of a trend. Youngsters are flocking to poker as
never before, attracted by its growing cachet and the ever-expanding
pots. The plethora of books, blogs and DVDs now easily accessible, and
the rapid growth of poker online, means newcomers can learn the art
much more quickly than in earlier eras. "When I started out it took
years of hard grind at the table to get good. Now the learning curve is
much steeper," says Howard "The Professor" Lederer, a professional
player. It is often said that while Texas Hold 'Em, the most popular
version of poker, may take only minutes to learn, it takes a lifetime
to master. Annette_15 may beg to differ.

The threat to the old guard from quick-learning online players first
became apparent in 2003, when the aptly named Chris Moneymaker won the
World Series after qualifying through a satellite tournament for
players on a poker website. He turned his $40 fee (a tiny fraction of
the $10,000 "buy-in" for the pros) into $2.5m, finishing off his final
opponent with a colossal bluff. This year's winner in Vegas, Jerry
Yang, qualified the same way. After two weeks of intense play, with
daily sessions lasting up to 16 hours, the 39-year-old psychologist
went home $8.25m richer, promising to give much of it to charity. No
other sporting competition (if poker can be called a sport) offers the
same reward.

Popular websites such as Full Tilt Poker[1] and PokerStars[2] enjoy
peak traffic of tens of thousands of visitors at any given time,
occasionally over 100,000. Full Tilt offers visitors the chance to try
their wits against a roster of professionals, who play under their own
names and are paid according to how well known they are. Poker sites
employ some of the snazziest software on the web. They also offer a
dizzying array of blogs and forums, which debate everything from
"slowplaying" (playing a strong hand with deceptive passivity) to
Morton's Theorem (don't ask). One recent discussion had more than 1,600
participants. No wonder it is often said that poker has done more than
anything apart from pornography to develop the web.

STAR OF THE SMALL SCREEN
The other force fuelling poker's growth is television. The game has
grown rapidly on the small screen since camera crews worked out a way
to show the "hole cards" (those dealt face down to each player) using
miniature cameras positioned beneath specially designed tables with
glass panels. This allowed viewers to see each hand's dynamics as they
unfolded. Televised celebrity games have added to poker's appeal. Ben
Affleck, Toby Maguire and James Woods are among those who consider
themselves accomplished amateurs. Mr Affleck even hired a pro to help
him raise his game, and subsequently won California's state poker
tournament.

Today poker is the third most watched sport on cable television in the
United States, after car racing and American football, trumping even
NBA basketball. In America, it is regularly aired on ESPN and the
Travel Channel, while Britain has its own poker channel. ESPN's World
Series shows regularly get more than 1m viewers, and numbers hold up
well even during the busiest sports periods, such as during the
major-league baseball play-offs and the NASCAR motorsports season.

The poker economy has never been flusher. There are an estimated
60m-80m regular players in America and perhaps 80m-100m elsewhere.
Poker is by far the largest chunk of the online gambling market, which
had worldwide revenues of around $15 billion in 2006--a figure that may
be closer to $20 billion this year. Poker chips are among the
best-selling items on Amazon.com. What was once the preserve of either
high-rollers or low-lifes is now being roundly embraced by the mass of
ordinary folk in between.

The changing of the guard at the top of poker reflects this move into
the mainstream. Harrah's, the casino operator that runs the WSOP, has
brought in Jeffrey Pollack, a former NASCAR executive, to smooth its
image and entice in corporate money. He has revamped the website[3],
wrung more money out of ESPN and put poker on the radio (where it works
surprisingly well). More impressively, he has lured dozens of
sponsors--including Hershey's chocolate, Milwaukee's Best Light beer
and Planters peanuts ("the nuts" being the term for an unbeatable hand
of cards)--into a game that many consider morally questionable.

Mr Pollack says his aim is to run the WSOP, which was conceived in the
late 1960s, as a "38-year-old start-up", constantly innovating and
pushing into less developed markets in Europe, Asia and Latin America.
An annual tournament in Macau is likely to be the next move. That would
put the World Series head to head with the new Asia Pacific Poker Tour,
which is sponsored by the PokerStars website[4]. In some Asian
countries, such as Thailand, poker is illegal. But China is a
potentially huge market, and the game has exploded in popularity in
Australia. Some 400,000 Australians joined poker leagues after Joe
Hachem, from Melbourne, won the World Series in 2005. That burst of
activity prompted a government inquiry.

Another largely untapped market is women. They make up only around one
in 20 of all tournament entrants, though Miss Obrestad's victory is
likely to encourage more to take the plunge. Mr McManus, who teaches a
poker course at a Chicago college, says his female students have just
as much of a feel for the game as his male ones. But he also thinks men
have the edge in no-limit Texas Hold 'Em, which relies more heavily
than other forms of poker on aggression and the willingness to risk
everything on a single hand.

Some of the game's most eloquent player-commentators are women, notably
Annie Duke, who has won more than $3m in prize money, and Victoria
Coren, winner of the London leg of last year's European Poker Tour and
author of a poker column in Britain's GUARDIAN. Ms Coren describes
poker as "a stimulating psychological challenge, combining guts and
detective work...a world of its own, offering all the childish appeal
of secret places, special languages and staying up late at night." It
is hard to imagine Mr "Devilfish" Ulliott describing it that way.

Both would agree, however, that the best players display a good deal of
skill, and that poker is a long way from basic forms of gambling such
as roulette or lotteries. The object, says Ms Coren, is to control the
swings of luck with skill, figuring out how to win the maximum with
your luckiest hands and lose the minimum with your unluckiest ones.

The skill-versus-luck debate has crackled back to life because of the
passage of a law last year, sneakily tacked on to a port-security bill,
which sought to bolster existing legislation against internet wagering
by blocking Americans' access to accounts that can be used to gamble
online. All games that are "predominantly" subject to chance were
covered by the ban. Poker was included. For reasons best explained by
lobbyists, horse racing, fantasy sports and lotteries were exempted.
This discrepancy had already landed America in hot water at the World
Trade Organisation, thanks to a case brought by tiny Antigua, home to
several online gambling sites.

America's Department of Labour has given a nod to the element of skill,
in some eyes, by last year recognising "professional poker player" as
an official occupation. Courts, however, tend to view poker as a game
of chance. That, Mr Lederer is convinced, is only because the opposing
arguments have been botched at the bench.

As he concedes, it is hard to argue that a seasoned professional will
beat a first-timer in any given hand. But there is evidence aplenty
that, over the long run, a player with a head for calculating odds and
a feel for the psychology of the game, such as bluffing, will always
overcome an untalented opponent.

The skill, Mr Lederer argues, is in the betting. And it is apparent in
the fact that you can win without the best hand. More than half of all
hands end without the cards being shown, not because one player got
lucky but because he managed to persuade the others, given their
analysis of the available information and the size of the pot, that it
was sensible to fold. When no one declares their hand, can it really be
argued that the outcome was determined by luck?

At the highest level, decisions about betting, bluffing and folding are
based on the complex juggling of probabilities. "What drew me to poker
is that it is essentially an academic endeavour," says Ms Duke. She is
one of a growing group of full-time players who came to poker through
game theory and mathematics, not through any love of a flutter.
(Indeed, she never plays craps or roulette.) Others include Mr Lederer
(her brother) and Mr Ferguson, who has a doctorate in computer science
and writes academic papers on probability theory with his father, a
statistician at UCLA.

Thomas Bihl, winner of a recent HORSE tournament, in which players have
to show mastery of five different styles of poker, thinks the game has
more in common with finance than it does with basic forms of gambling,
because it requires the constant pricing and repricing of risk. Mr
Bihl, a former stock trader, says the move from his old job into poker
was a natural progression. Though his GBP71,000 win was "a huge lift",
he says that he is motivated not by money but by the chance to use his
brain to outfox opponents. This is a common refrain among regular
players. As Ms Coren put it in a recent article: "Cash is nothing more
than chips, just the tools of the trade, like fishing rods to an
angler. The game is all about money, and nothing to do with money."

Those who think skill predominates also point to the fact that some
players excel at the game while others don't. Dan Harrington made the
final table of the WSOP in both 2003 and 2004, the odds of which would
be 25,000 to one if it were down to chance. Stu "The Kid" Ungar, a
brilliant player with a self-destructive streak, won three times in not
many more attempts before succumbing to drugs.

Moreover, when wealthy amateurs pit their wits against professional
players steeped in poker theory, more often than not they lose their
shirts. In a number of sessions beginning in 2001, Andy Beal, a
Dallas-based banker, locked horns with a syndicate of pros, including
Mr Lederer, convinced that he could come out on top. He did not.

Nevertheless, luck is important. It blends with skill to produce a game
that is "much like life, full of incomplete information and
second-guessing," says Mr Lederer. Poker is certainly more exciting to
most than chess, a game of complete information and limited psychology
where the better player always wins. Tellingly, whereas computers can
be programmed to play chess at the highest level, they still have a
long way to go to match expert players in poker games with more than
two participants. The best attempt so far, Polaris, developed by
researchers at the University of Alberta, failed to get the better of
two top players, Ali Eslami and Phil "Unabomber" Laak (who plays
hooded).

Moreover, professionals say that poker's generous dollop of luck is
good for them on balance, because it attracts money from neophytes who
fancy their chances of beating the top players in tournaments. Some
pros disparagingly call such players "ATMs". But, as Mr Moneymaker
showed, the newcomers occasionally win big. His victory in 2003 led to
a surge in entrants for the World Series main event from 512 in 2000 to
8,773 in 2006. A dip this year to 6,358 reflected the new American
law's effective ban on internet sites buying satellite-competition
winners into the tournament. (Some tried to get around this by sending
the winners cheques instead, but most recipients simply held on to the
money rather than using it to buy themselves in.)

"It doesn't take most young people long to realise they won't be the
next Michael Jordan. But they can all aspire to be the next Phil
Hellmuth, and they don't even have to work out," says Mr Hellmuth,
slurping a full-cream mocha. He then quickly points out that poker
requires a great deal of mental stamina, and that he promotes an energy
drink.

POKER FOR PUPILS
Parents are increasingly encouraging their children to play, he adds,
because it is mentally more rewarding than video games and does not mix
well with alcohol (at least if you care about winning). "When I started
it was seen as a bit of an outlaw pastime, for rogues and cheats. Now
it's a huge bottom-up movement," he says.

It might seem a bit of a leap to go from here to putting poker on the
curriculum. But some academics see it as a worthy subject of study.
Chief among them is Charles Nesson, a professor at Harvard Law School.
Earlier this year he founded the Global Poker Strategic Thinking
Society (GPSTS), whose awkward name belies a clear set of goals: to
highlight poker's role in teaching patience, strategy and money
management, and in improving cognitive skills. "Poker offers metaphors
for a range of life skills and could be a wonderful educational tool,"
says Mr Nesson, who plays a regular game with other law professors,
including Alan Dershowitz--though he has yet to play with Antonin
Scalia, a Supreme Court justice known to have a fondness for poker.

Poker is, first and foremost, a game of managing resources, argues Mr
Nesson, teaching a cautious approach to risk-taking, not recklessness.
There is some evidence for this. One study, comparing experienced poker
players with financial- market traders, found the players less likely
to exhibit over-confidence.

AN UNLIKELY SOCIAL-WELFARE TOOL
Determined to counter what he sees as the demonisation of poker by the
American right, and the resulting squeeze on personal freedoms, Mr
Nesson is working on a pilot programme to teach the game to
disadvantaged children in schools in America and Jamaica. He muses
about turning a property he runs in Second Life, a virtual world, into
an online poker university.

Ms Duke sees other ways in which poker teaches "life skills". It taught
her, for instance, how to be a good loser ("Even the best lose most of
the hands they play. If you let that get to you, it will kill you"Wink.
She says she even uses poker theory when dealing with her children: "I
always bet the minimum when making a threat. If you say no TV rather
than no Disneyland, you can always raise later."

By enlisting the help of players, statisticians, law students and lobby
groups such as the Poker Players Alliance, whose membership has swollen
to 860,000, Mr Nesson hopes to roll back not only the federal ban on
online gambling but also the worst bits of the nonsensical patchwork of
state laws. Massachusetts law, for instance, makes it hard for the
university to hold even a charity poker tournament. "Are they afraid
that people will become addicted to giving money to good causes?" asks
Andrew Woods, a Harvard student who helps to run the GPSTS.

As the pokeristas sharpen their legal arguments, they are hoping for
some extra help from the statisticians. Online poker sites have reams
of game-by-game data. These could, in theory, be used to show what
makes some players better than others, and what defines their skill
(Bluffing? Shrewd betting based on the rapid calculation of odds? Or
both?). Though research in this area has been thin on the ground to
date, number-crunchers are starting to rise to the challenge.

Among them is Steven Levitt, an economist at the University of Chicago
and author of "Freakonomics". He oversees a project called Pokernomics.
It aims to collect millions of hands (which players can store using
readily available tracking software) and analyse them systematically in
the hope of answering questions. Does a big stack of chips allow
players to bully others and win even more? To what extent does position
relative to the dealer matter? Are there simple strategies that can be
used to win money even with losing hands?

These efforts may produce fascinating results. Or they might reveal
nothing much. Even if the data highlight strong trends, it may still
not be clear which are caused by skill and which by luck, says Jay
Kadane, a statistics professor at Carnegie Mellon University who
studies games.

Perhaps a better way to win over judges and lawmakers would be to
highlight poker's place in the American psyche. Introduced by French
colonials, as a game called poque, it soon spread from its original
base in the Mississippi delta. By the late 19th century it had become a
prominent cultural facet across the country, not only in the South or
Wild West. Much ink has been spilled analysing its appeal to Americans.
The answer may lie no deeper than Walter Matthau's one-liner about
poker exemplifying "the worst aspects of capitalism that have made our
country so great".

Poker has long fascinated America's great and good, from politicians to
generals to captains of industry. Presidents Roosevelt (both), Truman,
Eisenhower and Nixon were all keen players. Nixon was famously good:
most of the funding for his first congressional run came from poker
winnings. Poker was said to have inspired cold-war tacticians. It is
still a useful military motif: recall the playing cards used to
represent Saddam Hussein and his most-wanted cohorts. Poker financed a
sizeable chunk of Microsoft's start-up costs. Bill Gates once said he
learned more about business strategy at the baize than in
classrooms--though these days he apparently prefers the more stately
game of bridge.

Not all famous players have made such good role models. As he partied
away the declining years of his career, Errol Flynn incurred some
excruciating poker losses, including, on one particularly bad night, a
Caribbean island he had hoped to develop into a holiday resort. John
Wayne had some shockers too, though in one memorable game he won Lassie
from the canine star's desperate owner.

GETTING SERIOUS
What would Nixon, Flynn and Wayne have made of poker today? They would
surely have marvelled at the transformation of "the cheater's game"
into a multi-billion-dollar industry, pumping out new millionaires
almost daily. Even they might have been shocked at the latest season of
"High Stakes Poker", a television series in which players buy into each
game for $500,000 apiece and the winner takes home more than $5m.

They might, perhaps, have been disappointed that the game had lost some
of its backroom edginess. Miss Obrestad's generation are more likely to
put their excess winnings into tax-free bonds than blow them betting on
a single round of golf, as Mr Brunson and his Las Vegas pals used to do
in their madder moments. Still, those hoping to win over poker's
sceptics will find no better example than young annette_15. She is
stern, sober and chillingly focused on her game. She appears to be
exceptionally good at it too. Either that or amazingly lucky.


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The Maestro said:
I'll post a massive self undulgent moan about my own recent misfourtunes later


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Had a few have you? I have stopped playing at Full Tilt for fear of going on a murderous rampage. Pokerstars seems a lot kinder...and has five card draw.

I honestly get the feeling full tilt is populated by 17 yr old yanks with nothing better to do but bust my aces by making two pair on the flop with 8 3 off. I was nearly in tears, which soon turned to anger. Mad
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pulla said:
Had a few have you? I have stopped playing at Full Tilt for fear of going on a murderous rampage.


Fuck, tell me about it. I'm giving up on online poker for now. Like Maestro, have just suffered the worst 2-3 months of beats of my life since my last big tournament win. His sounds worse than mine though..

My reading ability has picked up *heaps* though. I've been hitting top trips with queen kicker on the flop and check-calling all the way when I'm beat, I've been getting KK, hitting a Q high rainbow flop and not pushing cause I know the other dick hit his set of queens.... My main problem is that even though I'm very confident I'm beat, it's still so damn hard to fold because I keep thinking "SURELY... this has to hold up ONE FUCKING TIME" and always call out of frustration heh.
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I feel your pain...but I end up calling, then punching myself in the head.
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I ran so cold from around August-year end it wasnt funny. Mostly on FT but I switched to Party for awhile only to encounter the same things

It basically went like this. Nothing much went right for about 4 weeks but I didnt worry too much about it as I had a decent bankroll after a good period around July. I probably didnt play too good in this time

So I started to fret a bit and was playing better but everything that could go wrong was.

# I would triple up early then literally have to fold j4/32/92 etc for 2 hours before being blinded out

# I would hit undersets or run into AA when I had KK

# Couldnt win the vital coinflips when deep in MTTs (note thats all I tend to play)

Again I wasnt too worried, had some full on temp work to go to for 3 weeks in Nov so figured when I got back into it I would be refreshed and my luck would change.

It changed alright Neutral To much much worse

In 2 days I entered about 12 MTTS, and I got knocked out when all in preflop with KK 6 times in a row (ie KK never held up for me once in between)

The hands I lost to were ak, aj (not so bad) JJ, 99, QQ and 44 hit an ugly river straight

I thought that was bad, but the next 2 weeks were just hideous. I got knocked with AA more times than I can remember. Not only that but people were making ridiculous calls to do so, making me even madder. I started abusing ppl in the chat box, something I never used to do and something that I dont believe in. But my bankroll was slipping away and I was playing well but there was nothing I could do about it. It was really REALLY soul destroying Sad

To cut a long story shorter, in the last 120 days of the year I was smack bang even. And for someone who kinda relies on poker income, it was ridiculously stressfull. No real money coming in for 4 months, and every attempt to right it was scuppered by pure bad luck and donkeys hitting unbelievable hands

I dont believe I was "hit by the deck" once in that 4 months, and could count my bad beats on other players on one hand. I must have been bad beat (lost when 70% + a fav) at least 50 times and around 4/6 MTTs played daily

Ive worked out now though that somew good success meant i let my ego get to me a bit, when you saw me pull down the 6pm 18,000 GTD for the 2nd time pulla I decided I was a lot better than I really am, and stopped working on my game. Big mistake

Standard Deviation is a bitch in MTT's Froggy Im now going back to grinding the SNG's and picking up a bit more "real work" until I get my mojo back anmd plug a few leaks in my game. I kinds got bored with the game and stopped watching the play. I didnt quite go broke, I actually made a decent pile of $$ in 2007 (as anyone can see from my Official Poker Rankings stats) .... but a few more months of that luck and I would have

I could do some more moaning but no one is probably reading anymore lol
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Oh one more moan/bad moment. In the middle of all this I had been at Yaks for a poker school day and came home and decided to play the $50 rebuy (BIG payouts)

I started great and had quintipled up when I got in a hand with the chip leader who only had a few thousand more

I cant actually remember the details but the turn card came and he went all in. I didnt have a lot but I really wanted to call as his bet stank of bluff and he had been generally acting like a looney. But then I would be out if I was wrong and I had a sinking feeling

I thought "fuck it, if I win this im a massive chip leader and I really think he aint got shit" , so I gritted my teeth and called. . Like I said I cant remember the hand but he turned over sqwa_dooosh and I had him dominated, his only outs were one of the two red 7's left in the deck with one card to come. I was home and hosed, surely I cant get bad beat here as well?

flip

*7d* Neutral

I immediately leapt on MSN to cry to Yak then quit for the day. Fucking steaming I was. You know poker is treating you rough when you make a great gutsey call then get axed out by a 20-1 shot instead of having a massive chip lead Sad
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Lost all my monies on Party Poker and just stopped playing for ages...been mucking around with play money on Tilt just coz I can, which I know isn't really good for your poker skills, but such it

Then Party Poker emailed me with the "You've not been around in a while, here's $25, come back" so I played around on the cash tables (10c/25c) and the low stacks SNGs and turned it into close to $200, then had a bad streak and dropped down to about $60, tighened up and got back to $150 then decided to cash it out as a wee xmas bonus.

Best to date in a tournie is 4th out of 180 which was nice, but a shame it was only a $2 buy in! Laughing

Really don't find the online play that "enjoyable" anymore...much rather play at a table with real people and real cards. It's just hard to find the time really.
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Jesus! That's wrong. Purely wrong. I noticed on OPR you are now playing much lower buy ins...including those KO 90 seat sngs. Which I hate cos it only encourages 17 yr old yanks to go all in, all the time.

Remember me talking about a cash game populated by commercial property reps a while back? One of them, my mate Steve, won a $100+9 rebuy tournament on Full tilt. $28,000 USD! He's been on a run ever since.
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Yup around Xmas time I decided enough was enough and dropped down to the $10 MTTs, then the $3 ones. And you know what? I saved myself a fair bit of coin cos I couldnt even do well at those Neutral For someone who was playing decent stakes and was ranked inside the top 99.70% of online poker players it was a big slapintheface

$28,000 Sweeeeet. Very Happy Best Ive done is two $6k takedowns and a bunch of $2k-3.5k's wins. He must be good. Online name?
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grizzlernz. He reckons everything just clicked about two months ago, kinda fell into place. Stopped making stupid calls etc etc, and of course, had a few flops, turns, and rivers go his way.

His missus absolutely detests the amount of time he spends on the net now...but doesn't mind the cash. Wink
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pulla said:
His missus absolutely detests the amount of time he spends on the net now...


Laughing I bet!

I managed 18th out of over 750+ in the Annual Corporate Games here late last year at Crown. No prizes, playing for bragging rights really. There was 2 heats of over 370 people on the friday after work, top 66 cut came back at 4pm on Saturday for the finals. Sucked that stacks didn't carry through as I was near top for my heat and some people were just scraping through by the skin of their teeth. Basically it was like qualifying for a whole new tourny.

Had a mate over here that weekend and we got good and fucked up on Friday, danced the evening away, munted the day away, went back to Crown with ZERO sleep and still managed 18th from the 132 starters! Laughing

Was soooooo tilting and fucked by the end of it, hand I got knocked on I raised with AJ for late pos, all but 1 folded and he was the chip lead on the table, me about 3rd. T Q X flop, mixed suits, he bet 2000 into a 6000+ pot, I raised to 8K as I thought he wasn't on anything, he pushed all in...shouldn't have called, but did as I had the K's and the Aces as outs. He had AQ so the Ace wouldn't have helped and the K didn't come. All things (no sleep) considered, was still pretty happy with that placing.
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trixytrixer said:
New series of Poker After Dark has started in the US with the first episode being an online qualifer picking a table of his favourite players to play against. The table has matusow, negreanu, hellmuth, jen harman and scotty nguyen. The amateur is an ABSOLUTE FUCKING DONKEY like BEYOND donkey its actually one of the funniest things ive ever seen, he stays quiet in the first few episodes but in the final episode his talk is sooo funny! he says stuff like "wow phil you cant be raising without an ACE in your hand that would just be stupid" then folds when its 3 handed! and finds it weird when they dont check down a hand to get him eliminated lol. Can see it on pokertube on Poker After Dark season 3. The qualifiers for the PAD thing on full tilt come a lot from free rolls as well as buy ins so i guess thats why this guy made it..


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing I just finished watching this now. Wasn't that EMBARASSING? Oh so awkward. For the first 3-4 episodes I was thinking "Poor guy. This is some of the most card dead I've ever seen anyone" - but man, it's lucky he was card-dead; kept him out of trouble.

"You're not dumb enough to be raising with like less than Ace High are you?" Laughing

And WTF was up with announcing his hand out loud as soon as he looked at them? Noone seemed to pick up on that? Neutral

Amateur to 11-time bracelet winner who is makes a call as chip leader against a microstack all in getting like 4:1 odds "Oh yeah you've gotta call, you're getting great odds there!"... Laughing great table talk Captain Obvious..

I can't believe some of the hands he was folding considering how dead he was.

Ah well. If any of us got to go against Negreanu, Harman, Nguyen, Matusow and Hellmuth I guess we'd be a little out of sorts as well :> Although I would LOVE to play Phil. I swear to god I know exactly what he's going to do nearly every time. He's getting predictable Razz
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I also loved it how he said just before the turn on the final hand "Whatever happens, it's been great playing with you guys." and neither Harman or Hellmuth even flinch let alone extend some graciousness back Laughing so hardcore.

And Light practically dry humping Negreanu when he got knocked out "You're my favourite player in the whole world... Seriously.. Seriously." Settle down Ken Wink
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trixytrixer said:
. Brian Townsend aka sbrugby or aba20 (huge online player) comes in at the end to replace Lindgren.



Must be a big online ring game player, cos his MTT record is abysmal. You gotta watch these peeps, I have a poker book where a so called expert gives advice. I bet he's regretting giving his online name though, cos i looked him up and he's -10 ROI uhhhhhh *throws book away*

Looking at your mates OPR record pulla, his ABI (average buy in) is $28, so for him to win and presumbaly get hit by the deck in a $109 rebuy, where your minimum investment is pretty much $327(entry, 1 rebuy and add on) ....was extremely fortunate

ie he's prob beent sucked out on and cold decked in a bunch of $20 MTT's...then hit pay dirt when playing a MTT over 10 x his normal buy in

I dont mean to sound so jealous and snakey as fuck though Razz Just an observation, he has had other decent is smaller wins, so he is obviously good

Does anyone know what these "1st ties" are on ORP though? Confused cant work those out. Full Tilt doesnt do final table dealing making AFAIK
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He added on at the break I think, but no re-buy. He's also had a win on Poker Stars, for about $3.5k, and has lately had some good success on the ring games.

Fucker called me yesterday, he went from a super satellite (like $3 buy in) to satellite to qualifying for the $750k guarantee.

The first ties for Steve come from playing those $6 or $8 buy-in 18 seat SNGs where the top five get a $26 token. Once the bubble bursts on those they go all in straight away, and al go out together, or at least that's the way I understand it!
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The Maestro said:




I dont mean to sound so jealous and snakey as fuck though Razz Just an observation, he has had other decent is smaller wins, so he is obviously good



Don't worry dude, I snake him all the time on it. When he won it I sat there going BASTARD! He's a good dude though, and I think a lot of his poker success lately comes from the fact he is now comfortably well off in life (43 yrs old, works spasmodically now, money invested, rich girlfriend, set for life basically). By that I mean I think a few grand doesn't matter mentally to him, so he is prepared to put bets in that some people wouldn't make.
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Ahhhhhh the token frenzys and satelittes, of course

Def an advantage in MTT's when you dont care so much about the money. You need balls to play MTTs well, which means pushing all in at least a couple a times per game with not much/a draw. hard to do when youe been running cold. But just waiting for good cards means just making or missing the bubble, usually

Fuck i dont know when this bad run is going end Sad, got rivered a few times last night then I get all in on the flop with 88 to a 8-5-J board, villain shows 10-10 and of course a 10 comes on the turn Neutral Just now Im trying to win a token with a 600 FTP game, get heads up with absolute donk calling station...have 3 x chips lead and him all in on the flop with my j8 to a j-8-6 board ....he calls with k-6 and hits King on the turn. Very next hand Im all in preflop with ak vs with aj.....flop safe, again a Jack on the turn. When the fuck is this going to end, seriously Mad
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playing online can be so brutal sometimes Sad

yeah sbrugby isn't a big MTT player, most of the big online players stick specifically to cash ring games because that's where the money is to be made

Who is Brian Townsend (Sbrugby, aba20)

Sbrugby (pronounced S.B. Rugby) is a regular at the highest stakes games on Full Tilt Poker. You can usually find him playing 200/400 no limit holdem and pot limit omaha. He also plays on PokerStars under the username aba20.

http://pokeronamac.com/online-poker-pros/sbrugby/

the amount of money that can be won when these degenerates play omaha is crazy!

Sbrugby wins a $430,000 Online Pot
http://pokeronamac.com/news/sbrugby-wins-a-430000-online-pot/

and yeah that poker after dark is soooo hard to watch, the guy has blogged his experience on there and in his blog he tries to sound as if he's some kind of professional Laughing
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Any of you lot play much Omaha or Stud?
Been mucking around on the play money tables with those recently.
Omaha is fucking hard man! 7 Card Stud not so hard really, since you can see over half of any players cards.
Came 2nd in a play money HORSE sit n go too...Razz FTW! Laughing
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I've mucked around in Omaha quite a lot. It's an awesome game but I'm nowhere near good enough to play for decent stakes heh. It astounded me when I first started playing how the hand values drop massively at a full Omaha table.

You've really gotta start playing drawing hands more than made hands I find (except if you've got the stone-cold nuts obviously)..

In a one-week spell of Omaha, I saw quads beaten three times by a straight flush, saw *countless* set-over-sets, and flush-over-flush hands.. I've found if there's more than 4 people in a hand, it's never worth even going for a flush unless it's the nuts, and never if there's a pair on board already - because someone DOES have the boat already Razz

Still, good fun. I particularly like hi-low omaha.
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Ive avoided other games, figured I had enough to learn with Hold Em and my mind hasnt been changed. Although I grew up playing 5 card stud, i now understand what a basic game it is so havent really bothered

Threw my toys out with Full Tilt and wandered ovr the party poker last night where I discovered my balance was 0.39c. Converted my remaining Party Points to a $10 sitngo which I won among some terrible opposition. Now $50. Quickly joined a $10 turbo where I lost most my stack with KK (again) allin preflop to 88 (hit set) fouhgt back a little before losing the rest with my A-10 vs A-9

Started steaming again and then joined the $6 speed MTT which I came 2nd in (of 355) netting me $274. was also bad beat twice heads up, raised preflop with AK and got called, board comes 8,10,J...opponent shoves all in and I called. He shows Q,5 and nine comes on the turn grrrrrrr that was the game as we had same stack sizes. $462 sure would have been a lot nicer. wont complain tooo much though as I beat QQ with KQ and won a few crucial coin flips on the way. Found it easy once I got down to the final 2 tables though...most players didnt seem to understand inflection point play and I won many pots just pushing any hand folded to me with not much

have over $300 in there now, not bad from .39c. Wondering now after watching the play on PP if Full Tilt doesnt have a disproportionate amount of middling-good players. There are still no yanks on that site
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I decided to blow the remaining of my FTP points on some satellites. Joined a 45 person one, at an 18 person one - came 5th in both.

In the 45 person one, standard button steal attempt from me, get called by big blind. Roughly same size stack, he's coming 2nd I'm 3rd. I've got 79s in diamonds.

Flop: 2s 3s 10d - check, check
Turn: Ad - he checks, I decide he hasn't got it, and go all in, with my flush draw as backup.

He calls, turns over Qc Jc ... WTF ? I mean, in hindsight it's an incredible call but what the hell? Is he drawing to the inside straight? Is he putting me on underpair and hoping like hell he hits? Even King High beats him Neutral river blank and I lose. So baffling.

Then playing the 18 person one now.. didn't put my money in bad *once*.. I'm coming 2nd out of 5, then get all in with the 1st place guy preflop with my aces versus his queens.... stupid bitch on the flop Razz ugh.

Guess I'm glad these aren't proper money MTTs or I would be spewing Razz
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god you've got to hate getting your aces cracked deep in a tournament like that Sad

Aussie Millions, Event #9, $100,000 Hold 'Em: Lederer Lands Big Payday

The biggest names in poker took their seats around three tables as the largest-buyin event of the 2008 Aussie Millions kicked off, the $100,000 No-Limit Hold'Em event. The 25 entrants created a $2.5 million prize pool, to be divided among the top five finishers.
Guaranteed tournament. First place took down $1.25 million, with fifth getting a $100,000 refund on their buy-in.

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2008/01/aussie-millions-event-9-lederer-lands-big-payday.htm
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Hey trixy...

Can you put a spoiler warning before you post results in future please :> I watch pretty much everything that gets televised and it's better when I don't know who won hehe.
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yeah no prob, but is that even televised? thought the main event is the only one?
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trixytrixer said:
yeah no prob, but is that even televised? thought the main event is the only one?


I'm not sure.. The last Aussie Millions got a lot of media time so I'm hoping they'll make a bigger deal of it this year. But I doubt it. I was just talking about for future reference Smile I was so paranoid about going near any poker sites this year attempting not to find out the winner of the WSOP 2007...

I got to watching the final table before I found out by watching a video of an online game that was being commentated by barry greenstein and he mentioned Jerry's name Sad it didn't completely give it away but I knew..
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I mean "last year" Neutral Still in 2007 mode.
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I got back into some online cash games over the Xmas Holidays, since I had some extra cash, put $25 on about 3 times. Doubled it up bout 3 times on low tables like 25/50c. Cashed out $25US to break even 1st 2 times and used the $25 profit to gamble, but both times lost the other $25 against players that went all in before river with nothing. I generally had them well dominated, then they rivered, happened like 5 times. Neutral

The 3rd time I doubled up, I cut my losses and cashed it all out. When I get some balls to play on some higher cash tables. I think I won't encounter as many cowboys there.
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Friend of a friend was on holiday in Sydney...checked in for his flight home, then decided (since he's a lil rich) to un-check in and come to Melbourne to try his hand at the Aus Millions. Won a seat in the $200 re-buy satellites. Playing the main event today. Lucky bugger,

Down to top 8 with 7 tickets to the main event and 8th place getting the remaining $6000 - lots of talk on the table and everyone else talking about chipping $600 each no matter what happens so that 8th place gets to just buy into the main event. He said "Umm, no thanks, I'm qualifying and not paying for someone else to play" Needless to say when he was the one to knock 8th place out, the guy was less than impressed! Laughing
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Arrrr well...he didn't survive the first day.

Near-ish to the bubble, semi-low stacked, pocket 4's...raised from Button, 3 callers, flop = Q43, half-pot bet, 1 caller, turn = 3, min bet to keep the guy in, guy re-raises drawing him all in...guy flips over Q3...hits the required Q on the river.

GUTTERED!
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Wooop

Just played the Full Tilt NZ free roll, 275 started, finished 4th Smile

Only $2, but pretty happy Smile
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Nice one! Dude I know came 3rd in the Pub Poker Grand Finals...years supply of beer...4 installments of 13x2Doz slabs! Laughing
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signed up on full tilt to play tonight, played 6 dif sit and gos with a good 56% ROI with two wins. Keep donking my money off in the cash games tho lol.. think i should stick to the MTT's
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Dealer: RageTiltSnap shows a straight flush, Jack high
Dealer: eselko shows two pair, Eights and Threes
Dealer: RageTiltSnap wins the pot (2,020) with a straight flush,
Jack high

sweet!

95% ROI Very Happy
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Full tilt is SO awesome

Full Tilt Poker Game #4962340207: $16,500 KO Guarantee (37024093), Table 16 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:36:48 ET - 2008/01/23
Seat 1: Avalanche23 (41,860)
Seat 2: FullTiltJoker (9,370)
Seat 3: sprstoner (8,444)
Seat 4: MFCKER (4,560)
Seat 5: spotty8 (10,465)
Seat 6: IRON_FIST_NZ (9,990)
Seat 7: 24Molson (614)
Seat 8: McLovvin (3,395)
Seat 9: zoriden (11,439)
spotty8 posts the small blind of 100
IRON_FIST_NZ posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IRON_FIST_NZ [As 9s]
24Molson raises to 614, and is all in
IRON_FIST_NZ: 44
McLovvin folds
zoriden folds
Avalanche23 calls 614
FullTiltJoker folds
sprstoner folds
MFCKER calls 614
IRON_FIST_NZ: lol
spotty8 folds
IRON_FIST_NZ calls 414
*** FLOP *** [Ah 5s 7s]
IRON_FIST_NZ bets 444
Avalanche23 calls 444
MFCKER folds
*** TURN *** [Ah 5s 7s] [Js]
IRON_FIST_NZ has 15 seconds left to act
Avalanche23 has been disconnected
IRON_FIST_NZ bets 327

Avalanche23 raises to 3,200
IRON_FIST_NZ has 15 seconds left to act
IRON_FIST_NZ raises to 6,073
Avalanche23 raises to 40,802, and is all in
IRON_FIST_NZ calls 2,859, and is all in
Avalanche23 shows [7c 7h]
IRON_FIST_NZ shows [As 9s]
24Molson shows [Qh 3h]
Uncalled bet of 31,870 returned to Avalanche23
*** RIVER *** [Ah 5s 7s Js] [Ac]
Avalanche23 shows a full house, Sevens full of Aceshouse, Sevens full of Aces
24Molson stands up
IRON_FIST_NZ stands up
The blinds are now 120/240 with an ante of 25
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 21,308 Main pot 2,556. Side pot 18,752. | Rake 0
Board: [Ah 5s 7s Js Ac]

IRON_FIST_NZ shows a flush, Ace high
Avalanche23 wins the side pot (18,752) with a full house, Sevens full of Aces
24Molson shows a pair of Aces
Avalanche23 wins the main pot (2,556) with a full


^%$$##@@%^
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I don't get your bets on the flop/turn? Neutral

A pot of 2,500+ and you bet 444...
Then one call, and you bet 327?

As it happens it probably didn't matter anyway. One way or another you guys were gunna get it all in there. But still, that's a weird as way to play it. Curious to hear your reasoning Razz What did you put him on preflop and on the flop?
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Im a little reluctant to explain, since it reveals a little too much about my playing style. Razz ie Im trappy to the point of being silly about it.
But I will explain, since Im evolving my game now anyway to include less trappyness and more direct plays

Its a KO game remember, $15 for swatting the all in microstack

Id been at the table with Avalance for a while and he was a maniac, preflop I had him on nothing or at best Ace weak kicker. Although that was unlikey as I had one and I thought the allin could too.

So Preflop I had his most probable holding as something like Q 10 or a random conneting hand like 9 8. I thought he would have raised with any pair to isolate the allin

Now Ive flopped top pair with the nut flush draw but with a weak kicker, I think Ive got Avalance crushed, but Im possibly beaten by the alliner Molson who has AJ/AQ/AK, so now Im concentrating on the side pot

lets look at his possible holdings

# If avalance has nothing on the flop, he wont call a half pot sized bet. But if faced with a small scared looking bet he will either call with his random connectors hoping to catch some runner-runner BS OR he will attempt to come over the top of me with an eye on the bounty


# Also....he could have two spades as well, creating a great situation for me if another spade comes. Or he could catch his straight or 2 pair at the same time as I hit my flish. Either way, Im ahead of Avalance here (or so I thought) so Im massaging the pot with the best hand and the best draw as well as leaving the door invitingly open for him to bluff me


In summary, I want to play this had to the end...not chase my opponent away.

He just calls my flop bet and my flush card comes. I started to wonder now if he had flopped 2 pair with 57 or A5 and was slow playing, but that would have been a very bad play with the flush draw there and the bounty available.

Im not even bothering to consider he has a set. Why even enter into thinking about it? Its unlikely and as you say it really doesnt matter anyway. Im still way ahead with my nut flush and I want to keep getting money into the pot

On the turn my 327 bet was prob incorrrect and I could have bet something a bit higher but not much as a large bet practically screams I have the flush when coupled with the small bet on the flop. Again Im looking to trap him into bluffing cos I dont think he has much. If he just calls thats fine with me, he must be drawing and let him catch his straight/2 pair/set on the river, because thats where Im launching the big bet. My main problem with my 327 bet is its a weird number and amount relative to the pot and would probably just ring alarm bells if anything. It could however make him think I only have the ace of spades and want to see the river cheaply

So yep, in a way... I trapped myself. But I got all my chips in as an 80% favourite with one card to come. Im really not sure what the fuck else Im supposed to be doing than that. was well p*ssed off as a 20,000 stack was 2.5 times the average and im just so_sick of getting crucified like this


....

Now lets hear how you would have played it and why Very Happy
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Well... Razz Firstly, I definitely would've re-raised preflop. Why?

- As9s is the best hand in the world Wink

- The fact that it's a KO tourney and the microstack is all in, means you don't have to put either of the callers on any kind of decent hand (as you've noted with your guess of Q-10). Also, there is a strong interest in taking this hand away NOW, because not only are you collecting some useful dead money, but you're picking up the bounty (if you win).

- You're out of position, and need to take some initiative now. Otherwise if you just call and the flop comes A-8-2 rainbow - then what? You have no information whatsoever on your opponents. They could have anything. If you bet you can get taken away easily by a bluff-raise. If you don't you'll be seen as weak and you won't know whether to call a bet anyway. In position, I would've considered just calling.

But let's assume I played your way and just called Razz

On the flop.

I'm first to act - and going to bet about 850 - 1,000. Why?

- If anyone has any kind of draw, they will pay. They will have the odds for it, and the bounty will be tempting. They may even semi-bluff raise, in which case you're obviously happy to go all the way with this hand.

- If anyone has an Ace, they will pay.

- The side-pot is ZERO at the moment. If noone has anything, why on earth would they bluff? If they bluff and the others fold, they're going to be going to win a sidepot of $0 and then be up against the only person showing strength with their nothing? They won't bluff. So I'll bet - if they have nothing and fold, so bet it. If they have something they'll come along for the ride and I want as much as possible.

- Small bets reek of suspicion to me.. Unless they're exactly the minimum bet (which people sometimes do to see free cards), then your 327 just looks calculated. If it looks like you calculated that bet size, then the immediate implication is that you're up to something. Also see point above. They're not going to put you on a bluff that can't see a raise, because why would you bother when there's no sidepot?

So I would bet. On the turn, I would check for sure. It's the classic "I'm betting this flop because I want to chase out the draws and now the draw hit so I'll back down". If someone has missed their straight draw so far, they MAY bluff here, because there's a sidepot to win now. Lower flushes don't matter because you're both going in anyway, pretty much the same for set. So I'm hoping that someone will bluff, or hoping that someone has enough of a hand to value bet. My second option would be to bet about another $1600 or something.

Regardless of what happens after that, it's going to be some sequence events that leads to us both going all in... neither of us are folding heh.
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trapping on full tilt is ddaanngerrrroussss
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Hey, I'm pretty new to biggie, but am a poker fiend in training, looking for some advice.

I play on fulltilt and am having trouble getting decent results from tourneys. Cash games I'm fine with, generally make a reasonable amount, or at worst, come out about even. But tourneys... My thinking is that I play too conservatively, i.e. fine in a cash game with set blinds, but not in a tourney. I usually end up finishing mid-late position, either just in or just out of the money.

Advice? Tips? Books to read? Further info needed?
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Just wanna add to that: ...play too conservatively, but if I try to be more aggressive/ bluff more, I just end up coming out of it worse off.
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rust_ said:
Advice? Tips? Books to read? Further info needed?


Heya Smile

My #1 tip would be to make sure you're aware of as many contextual factors as you can in a tournament. This is way more important in tournaments than cash games.

For example; in a cash game, you're mostly thinking about three things: your cards, your knowledge of your opponent, and your image at the table. In a tournament there's so much more: relative stack sizes (more important when you can't rebuy), current blind level and ration of stack:blind, when the next blind is coming up, what stage of the tournament you're at, is the bubble coming up? Lots of stuff like that.

If you're thinking about all that kind of stuff you'll learn to be MUCH more successful at being aggressive. If you bluff at the right times in the right situations, you'll find it works like 80-90% of the time; barring that you've run into a monster.

For further analysis I'd recommend Dan Harrington on Hold'em series. Three books... WELL worth the investment.
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Maestro is a much more experienced tourney player though, so he'll have some good advice Razz

Thing I've learned most from him - BE PATIENT.
I get so tempted torward the end (with the blinds/antes so high) to commit with things like AJs and small-medium pairs when I have an average stack in early position. Learning to just be more disciplined as helped me a lot.

Then again, I'm clearly much more a madman than you are so perhaps the opposite advice would work for you Wink
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yeah patience is key, should play sit and go's they're great been playing heaps of 6 handed turbo ones and been doing pretty good i find them a lot easier then a big tournament
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Thanks for the advice, some things to think about, and I know a lot of this game is experience. Pot odds and maths only get you so far.

Re patience: I'm fine with waiting around for a proper hand, but more often than not, I just get eaten up by the blinds and have to push with a semi decent hand.

The solution to the problem is of course to keep building my stack steadily over the course of the game. This is where my problem lies. It's easy to win if you always have the nuts, but unfortunately that's not gonna happen. My thoughts are that of course you have to bluff, and be able to call a bluff, to do well.

I wonder how many poker players have to learn to be a maniac? Laughing
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steal those blinds! push when you think a raisers weak etc etc Very Happy
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I'm gonna take my turn at having a bad beat rant.

Playing an 18 player SnG. 1st hand, dealt KK, manage to get all in against JJ, win, good start to the game.

Next hand, lose it again to someone who picked up one of their 2 outs on the river Sad His boat vs my straight.

Not too bad in the scheme of things - I'm no worse off than when I started, more ranting about what might have been...
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rust_ said:
Next hand, lose it again to someone who picked up one of their 2 outs on the river Sad His boat vs my straight.


That doesn't make sense Wink

If he ended up with a boat then he had trips on the turn or two pair right? So he's got 6 outs minimum or as many as 9..
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As many as 10 even I mean..
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Sorry, didn't think that one through properly.

2 pair on the turn (9 10 10 J on the board, he had AJ), another 10 came down on the river. So four outs right?
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Sounds right to me.

I just put my $50 Free Sports Bet voucher on Jo-Wilfried Tsonga to with the Aussie open. Unseeded, first time he even made 1/4 finals...now he just has to take out Rafael Nadal and (most likely) Federer! EASY!

Laughing

15:1 odds
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rust_ said:
Sorry, didn't think that one through properly.


Neither did I Neutral Yeah 4 outs hehe
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whatre your guys full tilt names?
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Yaksha
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rusty_knifenz
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Rusty I thought your name rang a bell, and sure enough we have played together on 30th December, probably shared a "Kia Ora bro" or something


Yak you make a lot of good points about post flop play but a few clangers not taking notice of the INFORMATION available to you, as well as exhibiting the usual hyper agrressive tendancies that you know I dont agree with Froggy

You might like ace nine but I dont think much of it, so I wouldnt bother raising a lunatic with it when I know there is an 50% chance I will be called and 30% chance I will be reraised all in. A9 dominates sweet fuck all and while I *might* be a slight favourite vs the lunatic, and with a 10,000 chips stack and blinds of 100/200 Im not anxious to get into a big confrontation with a mediorce holding

Also ...you base a lot of your post assuming that the side pot ismnt worth bluffing at and the all in has shown strength. If you take another look you will see the all in pushed UTG with 600 chips, at blinds of 100/200? I know I said I thought he had an ace but that was just a random musing trying to figure out Avalances hand

If Avalance bets at a side pot with not much and I fold, he gets his bet back and is now heads up vs the microstack rather than 3 way for free! That can add 40% to your winning chances. Coupled with the bounty factor belive me its a play many make in KO's

Having said all that I accept I didnt play the hand perfectly, particulary the turn. However I was playing th player not the game, (you didnt get to see how Avalance was crashing that mosntser stack of his around previously) and Im a very different type of player to you

Anyway....I get to end this post without moaning like a small girl about poker for a change Very Happy

came 1st in the 1583 player $10 Midnight madness on Full Tilt last night. FINALLY I was able to play 6 hours and not suffer a horrendous beat. Well I did ....but it was in the 1st hour and only cost me 1/3rd of my stack

$2976

KABOOM!

feels good to be back in the winners circle and not hating the game so much blower
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congrats maesty Very Happy
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$3K from a $10 entry! Awesome work dude!
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The Maestro said:
Also ...you base a lot of your post assuming that the side pot ismnt worth bluffing at and the all in has shown strength. If you take another look you will see the all in pushed UTG with 600 chips, at blinds of 100/200? I know I said I thought he had an ace but that was just a random musing trying to figure out Avalances hand

If Avalance bets at a side pot with not much and I fold, he gets his bet back and is now heads up vs the microstack rather than 3 way for free! That can add 40% to your winning chances. Coupled with the bounty factor belive me its a play many make in KO's


Hmmm... I don't hate the bet on the flop as much as I did initially with some more thought, but it still seems like it doesn't really match up with your intentions.

a) If he has *anything*, at least enough to call 444, then he will still call 800 right? So why not just bet 800? What hand could he have that can call 444 but not 800? Bottom pair? :/ He's a lunatic, he's calling with middle pair or ANY kind of draw...

b) If he has *nothing*, then even if he does try and bluff, all he's done is won 444 back and goes heads up with the short stack, but with nothing? Also, he's still got another player behind him as well who could have just about anything..

I'm just not sure what your best-result is. Are you trying to lure in QK? Or are you trying to set up possible middle pair?

Anyway.. this stuff obviously works for you.. great work last night :> Vindication is sweet huh.




Having said all that I accept I didnt play the hand perfectly, particulary the turn. However I was playing th player not the game, (you didnt get to see how Avalance was crashing that mosntser stack of his around previously) and Im a very different type of player to you

Anyway....I get to end this post without moaning like a small girl about poker for a change Very Happy

came 1st in the 1583 player $10 Midnight madness on Full Tilt last night. FINALLY I was able to play 6 hours and not suffer a horrendous beat. Well I did ....but it was in the 1st hour and only cost me 1/3rd of my stack

$2976

KABOOM!

feels good to be back in the winners circle and not hating the game so much blower[/quote]
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Ugh.. forgot to delete the bottom part of your post sorry..
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Dealer: RageTiltSnap wins the pot (1,540) with a straight flush, Six
high

second one in two days Pink Winky
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Where are you playing trixy? Im in the $10 KO right now and registered for the midday $26


Cheers for all your kind words, I hope to read of similair wins from you all some time soon Very Happy

Yak you are right in questioning what was an odd play, and the answer is I was pretty much caught up in trying to trap the looney. he had previously been coming over the top with huge over bets and thats what I was looking to lure him into doing.

I then fell in love with my trap and panicked when my hand hit on the turn. Which happens to me occasionally. I make mistakes, but Ive made a lot of money playing online poker because I also make a lot of good decisions

gah. Update. Knocked out of the KO, all in on the flop with a set of 33s, called by 2 players, the open ended str draw and flush draw lol. Neutral Flush draw hit river, Ive changed my mind about the midday and are gonna go get some sun for a few hours instead Cool I'll probably play the daily double at 3pm. get in there you dirties!
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i play 12$ turbo sit and go's 6 handed. they're so easy to dominate
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The Maestro said:
but Ive made a lot of money playing online poker because I also make a lot of good decisions





whoops! There goes that ego piping up unneccasarily again! Its got a mind of its own I tells ya. Ignore Cool

The $12 turbos huh. Tell you where I struggle, the 90 player KO's. I cant get my head around what I would have thought was the perfect type of game for me (since I have a very good record in the Party Poker speed tournies) I even struggle in the $3 ones Confused I should just flag them until i work out whats going on
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i find it hard to maintain the patience in a decent sized MTT so i just stick to the one table turbos
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Dealer: RageTiltSnap shows four of a kind, Queens
Dealer: RageTiltSnap wins the pot (2,155) with four of a kind,
Queens

beauty! straight flush and quads in less then an hour reow!
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The Maestro said:
Rusty I thought your name rang a bell, and sure enough we have played together on 30th December, probably shared a "Kia Ora bro" or something


Hey Maestro, I do recall seeing IRON_FIST at one of the tables, don't think we were at the same table for long though, I don't remember getting into any huge clashes anyway Smile Congrats on the win also!

Nice on trixy - always good when those monster hands come down, even better when you get a decent pot out of it!
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Only time I've ever hit quads was pocket aces, flopped quads. I'd raised it pre flop to 4xBB and had two callers. Was first to act after the flop, checked, which they did two, King on the turn, checked it hoping one of them had Kings, but it got checked all round, dud river, bet like 1/8th of the pot but still they both folded...sad.
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Tell ya one thing, if you ever get a chance, play the 9pm NZT $26 POT LIMIT on Full Tilt. Ive won it before, and there really are some TERRIBLE players on it. Especially by FY standards (high)

Doesnt always work out for ya though, check out the action

Full Tilt Poker Game #4999489471: $4,000 Guarantee (37308079), Table 14 - 10/20 - Pot Limit Hold'em - 3:08:47 ET - 2008/01/26
Seat 1: holloway61 (2,840)
Seat 2: oceansbluetwou (2,940)
Seat 3: belgianwaff (3,110)
Seat 4: RoadKing_er (2,660)
Seat 5: biggdawwg (5,940)
Seat 6: IRON_FIST_NZ (2,950)
Seat 7: bennyp24 (2,980)
Seat 8: woftam (3,000)
Seat 9: stilts2112 (580)
bennyp24 posts the small blind of 10
woftam posts the big blind of 20
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IRON_FIST_NZ [As Ah]
stilts2112 has 15 seconds left to act
stilts2112 raises to 70
holloway61 calls 70
oceansbluetwou folds
belgianwaff calls 70
RoadKing_er folds
biggdawwg folds
IRON_FIST_NZ has 15 seconds left to act
IRON_FIST_NZ raises to 380
bennyp24 folds
woftam folds
stilts2112 calls 310
holloway61 calls 310
belgianwaff calls 310
*** FLOP *** [3h 2s Qd]
stilts2112 bets 200, and is all in
holloway61 calls 200
belgianwaff raises to 1,180
IRON_FIST_NZ raises to 2,570, and is all in
holloway61 has 15 seconds left to act
holloway61 calls 2,260, and is all in
belgianwaff folds
IRON_FIST_NZ shows [As Ah]
stilts2112 shows [Js Jh]
holloway61 shows [Qc Jc]
Uncalled bet of 110 returned to IRON_FIST_NZ
*** TURN *** [3h 2s Qd] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [3h 2s Qd Tc] [Jd]
IRON_FIST_NZ shows a pair of Aces
holloway61 shows two pair, Queens and Jacks
holloway61 wins the side pot (5,500) with two pair, Queens and Jacks
stilts2112 shows three of a kind, Jacks
stilts2112 wins the main pot (2,350) with three of a kind, Jacks
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7,850 Main pot 2,350. Side pot 5,500. | Rake 0
Board: [3h 2s Qd Tc Jd]
Seat 1: holloway61 showed [Qc Jc] and won (5,500) with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 2: oceansbluetwou didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: belgianwaff folded on the Flop
Seat 4: RoadKing_er didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: biggdawwg didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: IRON_FIST_NZ (button) showed [As Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: bennyp24 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: woftam (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: stilts2112 showed [Js Jh] and won (2,350) with three of a kind, Jacks
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ooooooo I keep forgetting, heres unusual poker dilemna/question for you all....a matter of "poker morality" (lol)

When I won the midnight madness, there was an incident at the final table

3 players left....chips stacks are roughly

Me 1,200,000
Player "X" 500,000
Player "bad connection" 600,000

Blinds about 20,000/40,000

Player BC disconnects as he had a few times at the FT. Hes in the BB and Im the SB and so Player A starts hammering his blind from the button. I let him do it a few times then counter re-raise with not much to which he predictably folds. He doesnt do it for a few rounds after that so naturally I min raise and take the blinds and antes

Now the stacks are a little more like

Me 1,400,000
Player X 500,000
Player BC 400,000

When something awesome and game defining happens. Player X from the button moves all and I have QQ. I think omg if I win this the game is all mine if Player BC doesnt come back

Player X shows KQ and the case Queen hits the flop to eliminate him

Now its just me and MR BC. The 1st 3 hands I get in the small blind are pairs and AQ so Im just raising like normal. Now hes only got about 180,000 left and I get a crap hand in the SB a hesitate cos his rail bird is saying I should wait and give him a chance to come back

I pause for a second before making an executive decision of "fuck that" and proceed to minimum raise him out of the game

Next day MR BC pops into my game to have a semi_moan about it, asking why I didnt wait. I just told the truth

# I had good raising cards to begin with anyway

# Once that stopped he was microstacked compared to me

# After a crappy 4 months of hideous beats, Im not about to give a sucker an even break

He was actually ok about it, and was more wanting to moan/get sympathy about his connection. But some other fucker at my table weighed in saying I should have waited

thoughts Confused
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lol you were totally right Smile
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The Maestro said:
thoughts Confused


You had it right with "fuck that".. seriously. I don't even think it's debatable Neutral

Anyway... time for my bad beat story of the decade.

So I enter the $700+$70 buyin event at the Casino tonight: my biggest buy-in ever. Feeling a little nervous, but psyched to find out there's 50 minute blind levels and starting stack of 7,500 (usually 4,000 in their tourneys) - so a good amount of play. 51 people entered.

So I stay out of trouble mostly for the first couple of hours, picking up pots as I do when people are weak - managed to stay about even but a little bit up for 3-4 hours..

After a few hours I re-raise an UTG raiser who I thought was a little weak with my AKos, he had QQ. A mis-read on my part, but it panned out and I hit the A. Sweet. I always seem to get into these coinflip situations about half-way through, so was stoked to win for once. Kept out of trouble again mostly - made some brilliant calls, some good bluffs.. managed to get up to about 18-19k over the next couple hours.

Eventually we get down to the final 15 people, and everyone's eyeing the final table, glancing every couple of minutes at the payout structure, staring over at the other table to see who the short stacks are etc... So the payout structure looks like this:

1st: $12,800
2nd: $9300
3rd: $4600
4th: $2400
5th: $2000
6th: $1600
7th: $1200
8th: $1000
9th: $800
10th: bubble - $0

Some more standard play, and we get to the final table finally. I'm probably coming 8th out of 10 at this point. Now this is where it gets interesting.. Everyone is talking about making a deal due to the mental amount of money in the purse. They're talking about taking $3-4k out to play with, and then splitting the rest proportionate to your chips. If I agree I'll get like $2200 now, and the chance to play for $3-4k more. I agreed, along with everyone else except for the SHORT STACK who refused. With poetic justice, he was knocked out on the bubble a few hands later. Moron. People start saying they'll talk more about deals in half an hour or so...

Then, I double up. Okay, I got lucky. I pushed from the small blind with an ace, KK to my left called, I hit an ace on the river. Thank christ. Now I'm coming about 5th out of 9..

Play for a while longer, two more people get knocked out.. down to 7.

Now, I have 50k in chips, people start talking a deal. If they take 5k out of the pot to play for, and split the rest based on chip count, I'm going to get a deal for about $4300 cash now, and the chance for more later. Again, everyone accepts except one person, the short stack... We argue for a bit, he still doesn't accept, we play on...

THEN

A guy raises from UTG. I put him on a weak ace because he's done it before a lot. I was very sure. I'm looking to accumulate chips because the short stack will be gone soon and I want the chips to make my deal better. I look down at A4s, push all in. The other guy has me covered so I know he can't call. But he does. He called me down with A6 Neutral As an aside, this a COMPLETELY retarded call. If anyone doesn't get why I'll explain later. But we're now playing for the chip-lead:

Flop: 2 3 5

I've flopped a straight, and the nut flush draw.

Turn: Queen, no flush.

So now let's look at my situation. At the moment I have him dead to three outs (any non heart 4). If I win, I'm the chip leader, they can all go fuck their deals, and I'm going to win $13k. Even if I do deal, my stack will afford me a deal of at least $7.5k now.

River: 4 clubs. He gets a bigger straight.

I'm out in 7th place for $1200

AFTER PLAYING FOR OVER 12 HOURS....

...............

Neutral Neutral Neutral Neutral Neutral Neutral Neutral Neutral Neutral
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Dealer: RageTiltSnap shows four of a kind, Threes
Dealer: RageTiltSnap wins the main pot (1,560) with four of a kind,
Threes

oi what are your guys msns? lets play a sit an go on full tilt Very Happy
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I'm yaksha@gmail.com

But no more poker for me tonight Razz
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Jeeeez trix. You pulling some hands outta FT or what. Its slightly suspicious that new players always seem to do so well on that site. (I won the 1st MTT I played on there, the 6pm $18,000 GTD)

and cheers for the affirmation of my action on MR Disconnect, I thought that was the case but with 3 people disagreeing with me in the chat box I thought I woud check there wasnt some unwritten rule I was unaware of. I know its supposedly "illegal" to collaborate with player X in that spot (identify he is DC in chat. and agree to share his blinds and do it quickly to get him out)

Yak did he actually have only 2 outs on the river? Have I read that right? Understand you posted that last night when tired and p*ssed off but if you have a 4 in your hand and the 4h is no good..... you got cleaned out by a 20-1 shot ugggh Sad You must ahve nearly thrown up with that much money on the line. Did twrecks hug you? I dont hug men as a rule, Mad but I might have thought about it at that moment.... Cool

Anyway...you should be proud of this result, regardless of the Bad Beat you put down VS KK and winning a few coinflips. You actually normally need to lay down at least one BB that to win anything anyway

It sounds like from this and your texts you felt you had the tables mostly under control? Was the standard of play higher than normal?

His call of your reraise with A6 was absolutely abysmal. Neutral What position were you in? The BB I assume. All I can think of is he was just tired or it was his favouirite hand or some shit. Either way....A6 dominates pretty much nothing, and to play for what? 12 hours and shovel a bunch of chips in there is just awful. and that just from a technical POV....
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The Maestro said:
His call of your reraise with A6 was absolutely abysmal. Neutral What position were you in? The BB I assume. All I can think of is he was just tired or it was his favouirite hand or some shit. Either way....A6 dominates pretty much nothing, and to play for what? 12 hours and shovel a bunch of chips in there is just awful. and that just from a technical POV....


Yeah sorry 2 outs. Neutral The river was just sick yesterday. There were so many 2-4 outers on the river all day.

In that hand I was in late position, I think cut-off. But the three to my left were all healthy sized chip stacks and would not have risked calling a re-raise with anything less than AK or 10-10 + so I know I'm good..

What made his call worse is the exact same thing happened about half an hour earlier. He made the same raise, I made the same re-raise all in.. He folded that time and I showed AQs (because I wanted the credibility, I was shortish stack at the time).. THIS time, he was thinking about it for a while. I had him on a weak ace so I was just about to flip over my ace for him to see. Obviously then he definitely can't call. But just before I was going to he went "gamble gamble!" and pushed. Ugggggh.

It's just so insulting to walk out of that position with $1200 (which is ony like $430 after buy in) after playing awesome for 12 hours Neutral Especially when if I'd made a deal right then I was going to be offered at least $4,000.... + $5k more if I win. Who raises UTG with A6 anyway? Confused

You know what the crazy thing is.. The entire 12 hours I played, these were my best hands:

Flush (which lost)
Straight x 2 (one of them lost)
Two Pair x 2

I didn't get a single set, full-house or winning flush Razz 90% of the chips I won were from bluffs or one pair / high card.. heh
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The Maestro said:
It sounds like from this and your texts you felt you had the tables mostly under control? Was the standard of play higher than normal?


And yeah it was... 5-6 of the people at our table were awesome. In fact of the final 7, 4 were starters on my table heh.
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this may seem stupid but does anyone wanna wire me 30c on fulltilt.

i have 70c in my account and cant deposit any more until ill put some money on my credit card.

but the 30cs would put me above the dollar limit to pay a 5c/10c table.

it would be much appreciated
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got some horrific bad beats in there as well maesty as well as some big hands, but thats cause ive been playing so much. looking forward to tommorow Very Happy
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Had my first decent placing in a big tourney last night. Just a $1 on full tilt (their Ferguson special), about 1500 entries, but it'd be fair to ignore about half of those as maniacs who dropped out in the first 30mins - it is a $1 game after all.

Managed to get 4th for $88 (1st was a little over $200). Low stakes for sure, but still felt good to get that far in a tournament that large. Very Happy Plus I can't complain about winning 88 times the buy in! That even put my ROI into the positive for tourneys - up till now I'd only been making money off cash games.

Now I just need to get a bit more consistent so I can increase the stakes.
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Thats the way, congrats, on both your 4th placing and perspective ....the sensible poker player newb

# Owns the freerolls then moves to the $1 tournies

*struggles for a bit* THEN

# Owns the $1 tournies then moves to the $2

*struggles for a bit* THEN

# Owns the $2 then....Im sure you get the picture

Thankfully, very few players actually follow this entirely logical sequence. Through both foolishness.... and the relativity of buy ins to income/well off ness, which is just two of the great reasons the game is so profitable
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Interbreed said:
this may seem stupid but does anyone wanna wire me 30c on fulltilt.

i have 70c in my account and cant deposit any more until ill put some money on my credit card.

but the 30cs would put me above the dollar limit to pay a 5c/10c table.

it would be much appreciated


it does sound stoopid, but only cos you cant wire 30c bud. Not sure of the minimum but its either $5 or $10
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The Maestro said:
Interbreed said:
this may seem stupid but does anyone wanna wire me 30c on fulltilt.

i have 70c in my account and cant deposit any more until ill put some money on my credit card.

but the 30cs would put me above the dollar limit to pay a 5c/10c table.

it would be much appreciated


it does sound stoopid, but only cos you cant wire 30c bud. Not sure of the minimum but its either $5 or $10


ahh cool. worth a shot.

looks like i gotta pay that credit card off faster
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yeah ! that was me after opium 2005!


Very Happy
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anyone wanna transfer me $7 so i can claim a $75 bonus Laughing Laughing
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I will if ya split the $75 with me Froggy

Are you referring to that email they just sent out? You will need more than $7 unless you start out HOT



Mya? What an odd post. lol. misplaced I assume
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Will I??

Thought it was an email to just get me playing more, I have to use $75 in 10 days or something...
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quote:
Dear nacoa,

In appreciation of your play on Full Tilt Poker, we are pleased to offer you a bonus of $75 and have credited this amount to your Full Tilt bonus account. To activate your bonus, simply log on between now and 23:59 ET on Monday, February 4th and click "Check my Bonus Offer…" under the "Requests" menu. Once you have accepted your offer, you will then have exactly 10 days to clear your full bonus amount
[quote]
nacoa said:
quote:
Dear nacoa,

In appreciation of your play on Full Tilt Poker, we are pleased to offer you a bonus of $75 and have credited this amount to your Full Tilt bonus account. To activate your bonus, simply log on between now and 23:59 ET on Monday, February 4th and click "Check my Bonus Offer…" under the "Requests" menu. Once you have accepted your offer, you will then have exactly 10 days to clear your full bonus amount


Assumedly the bonus will be released $5 at a time according to the normal rules. The more you play, the more of your bonus you get..
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heh nacoa. You know what they say about things that sound too good to be true dont they Wink

FTSOP VII is on fuckers! Whose going to try get a piece of it? blower
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Fuckers, there was no small print, should sue em for flase advertising haha

Laughing Laughing Laughing


So pretty much if I put $50 on I will get the full $75
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Not unless you play real good.....

learn how points work here

http://w.fulltiltpoker.com/fullTiltPoints.php


I just signed up for the bonus and I think it said you get 6c credited for every point earnt. If you run bad $50 wont make you much

Im planning on playing a bit soon so will see how I go, I wouldnt be suprised in my collect from bonusus is small though
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The Maestro said:
No real money coming in for 4 months

I would so love to give up my day job and do forex trading full time but this is why I dont. Just cant rely on it for income

So I just grow the capital base.
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Was playing some play money SNGs this morning...had one had which I folded from EP with 85.
3 players, flop 467! D'oh! Flopped straight missed! Oh well, was the right thing to do.
One guy bets, next guy raises, next guy re-raises, first guy re-raises again, at this point I'm think 'WTF? This all could have been mine!!!"
Ends up with all three of them all in...and they flip over 44, 66, 77 respectively!
3 flopped sets! BOOM!
Lucky I had made the right choice to fold pre flop though as I would have been creamed when the 4th sixth came up on the turn.
Crazy hand!
Laughing
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set over set over set! jesus!
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The Maestro said:

Im planning on playing a bit soon so will see how I go, I wouldnt be suprised in my collect from bonusus is small though



Update = I have played in $137 worth of MTT's since I triggered the bonus on Sunday night

For that total spend I have "earnt" $4.62, next *actual* release is at $7.50. Conclusion: With only 8 or so days to go I will be lucky to release $15 of it

Not quite what you were thinking when you saw the email aye nacoa Wink
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The Maestro said:

Not quite what you were thinking when you saw the email aye nacoa Wink


They had no small print in email stating this, reckon we should sue Laughing Laughing
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQl0xgIP5D4

Hevad Khan playing 26 SNGs simultaneously on poker stars Laughing Laughing
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Well that's just nuts! there's no way in hell you could be keeping up with the state of play...like someone mentions, all you could ever be doing is relying on the big hands/luck. You could never bluff without it being very risky as you can't possibly have built up enough info on players to know when is OK to do it and when it's not.

check out this geezers setup...



...that's the shit you want if you're serious about your multi tabling!