plagiarism? (what do yo think?)

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=28973101&blogID=415290964

you can hear "efrat" here: http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=21230

That sounds pretty close to me!

I don't understand how you could get to Shlomi Aber's level of djing/production and not be aware of groove la chord and maybe think twice about releasing something so similar.

That said, Brikha should probably have spoken to him privately before arguing on myspace.

Blatant rip of the b side. Good on him, name and shame. The Israeli guy has handled it like a bitch. Claude Young hits the nail on the head with his reply. Saw Aril earlier this year and he didn't play Groove La Chord, just neo trance sorta stuff which was really dissapointing. Maybe he will start playing it again now. I gave this record away a few years ago, big mistake..

Samuel L Sessions has made the most useful contribution to the blog replies imo. Claude Young - like many of the old school Detroit guys - pretty much resents anyone else who makes music inspired by Detroit.

This is a can of worms which could have been opened 100 times a year in the past decade - everything from Daft Punk tunes to Moodymann to whatever.

R

It's bit like the internet beef that King Britt had with Dennis Ferrer where KB accused DF of ripping off the bassline from "Contemplation" for DF's remix of "Most Precious Love".

Anyway, Shlomi got my hard earned $1.99.

There's a difference between making music inspired by detroit and ripping off a pre existing track by a swedish producer. Clause is a bit OTT regarding these things but that makes him badass.

Hhhhmm. I wasn't talking about inspired-by, I was talking about heavy sampling.

Aber says he used x synth and has the midi/project there... far less a crime than any number of Daft Punk etc tunes which are based in the most part on other tunes.

For example:

Thomas Bangalter "Spinal Scratch" - is a cut up edit of Prince Batdance.

Moodymann "I can't kick this feeling" - is basically an edit of Chic's "I Want Your Love", and Music People is an edited amalgam of The Flirts "Welcome to our world" and The Flirts "danger" with a few drums over it...

But somehow the Detroit guys often justify it to themselves by saying : it's our music, so we can sample it (i.e. none of you white guys touch this shit please).

Creativity in sampling or being inspired is debatable. This current case is only different in that the tune which seems to have been an inspiration is modern-ish and not a 70s/80s obscure disco tune.

If you don't agree then you must be ten times as annoyed at Pete Heller for "Big Love", Spiller for "Groovejet" and Cabin Crew for "Star To Fall"..

R

Typo... Mass Production "Welcome To Our World" and The Flirts "Danger".

R

I misread your post.. I did say inspired in my first post but the examples I used were of straight-up sampling.

R

Thats' the difference between house and techno Rob - we EXPECT house producers to be lame at music and have to rip off good musicians to do a decent tune. Where as techno, we generally frown upon it...




(Note: the above statement should be taken as tongue in cheek and doesn't necessarily reflect those of the post's author).

Fair call - but drum-loop sampling is rife in the history of techno as much as house... and If any house producer would be a beacon of integrity then it should be Moodymann right?

If guess the end call comes down to - was it done to make it easier, or to use the idea in-general, or as a tribute nod to the original?

Aber thinks it's none of those things and is just a coincidence.. which I'd tend to believe having listened to them both. I mean, really, how many tunes out there come up with the same basic chord progression completely independently of each other? Tons I'd say.

Brikha is making himself look bad the way he is going about this - even if he is right.

R

It's too bloody close to the shuffle mix to be anything other than him copying, even if it was subconsciously - Aber even says Aril is an influence, so he would have heard the track, since it is probably THE most played techno track of the past decade, they he is either self deluded or just trying to cover his ass in something he should have asked permission for. Nobody will ever know, but what it comes down to is this:

SOMEONE WILL have mentioned that it sounded the same many times before pressing this thing up, so he had the chance many many times to rethink this. Techno people don't take too kindly to this type of thing, the only people who do are generally newbies who the tracks are aimed at (look at all the unfortunate techno rips: wink, oxia, this) - all aimed at kiddies or DJs who play to kiddies who don't have the skills to pull off playing the original, and need a 'safe' version.

Aril is a straight up guy, lovely person, and wouldn't be pissed off lightly. If it was me, I'd be in the same headspace. Groove La Chord is in the top 10 techno tracks of all time so yeah, it's kinda gospel.

Anyhow. That's all I'm going to say on the matter.

No, Moodyman is good, but he isn't truly original in the way that say, Richie Hawtin, Moritz von Oswald or Mike Banks are.

But as I said, house came from a history of copying those from before, doesn't mean that techno likes it. There is a level of it I guess, especially the USER / Ben Sims stuff, and the techno "dj tools" area of the field, where an artist will sample a big tune and put their stamp on it, but not say it is an original production, the vast majority of techno tracks like this openly state the source, and never claim to be anything other than mere homage.

Techno samples from other tracks/sources vastly less than any other style of dance music - there are some areas (some) that might do it a lot, but the majority of techno producers like raw source drum machines, synths and software.

Blah.

hahaha!