OMG Jonathan Marshal - what a tosser

EIGHTEEN months from the biggest sporting event in New Zealand's history, the Rugby World Cup, glaring holes in security at some of the country's biggest stadiums have been exposed.

The Sunday Star-Times set out to test security at three world cup venues – Auckland, Hamilton and Christchurch – following a recent spate of terrorist threats against sporting events worldwide.

It was alarmingly easy to carry banned goods into the stadiums undetected, and move around inside unchallenged.

Our reporters:

Entered Eden Park during Thursday's cricket international between New Zealand and Australia dressed as construction workers – wearing hard hats and reflector vests hired from a costume shop. Despite having no tickets or ID, the two reporters had unfettered access to construction areas and other restricted zones within the stadium, walking past at least six security guards and getting within arm's-length of Australian Doug Bollinger while he was fielding. At one point the reporters stood next to four police bomb squad officers as they surveyed the new grandstand. At no point were the reporters questioned or asked for ID.

The Australian players are particularly concerned about security right now, following threats by al Qaeda against this month's IPL tournament in India, and have demanded that rigid security be put in place before they take part in the tour.

Took toy explosives and detonators, as well as alcohol, in a bag and on the body, into Waikato Stadium during the March 5 Chiefs-Reds Super 14 rugby game, with Red Badge security staff failing to search one reporter's bag. He walked freely around all parts of the stadium, approached the Reds' bench and shook hands with a team manager, entered the VIP corporate box area and spoke with boxer David Tua, got players including All Black Sitiveni Sivivatu to sign the bag containing the toy explosives and walked unchallenged through the players' tunnel, getting within a metre of the changing rooms before finally being asked to leave by a security guard.

but this is pretty tame and valid imo

Reasonable reporting about a reasonable issue. He's always done somehat ridiculous stories but this is pretty tame and valid imo

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-news/news/261643 <-- more idiocy.

Um yeah maybe next week they can test the security at school soccer matches?

What is the valid concern?

So you don't have any word on the downsides to it? The potential for panic that might have been created through his little stunt. Yeah, it would have been awesome if several thousand people stampeded out the exits and some kid got trampled. ...all for a sensationalist "news" story.

this didnt happen though did it?

Jesus Christ, Apex

sunday star times old man

TtheHF: overreaction aside do you think that the stunt a) wasnt pointless when there is no claim to high security in NZ for super 14 games b) couldnt have resulted in disruption for a hell of a lot of people. c) future copy cat actions might make proper security very difficult and possibly result in actual harm to someone.

I have no problem that it was dumb. At least it had an element of objectivism to it in that at a point in the future this will be a concern. Of course anyone who thinks that the impetus behind the piece was public safety is utterly wrong, but we are all smart enough to realize this. So we are left with belly aching over his shitty reporting, which just serves his ends. Any real potential for harm in/from his actions is minimal to non-existant; dignifying his antics with anything more than talkback radio conjecture is the only REAL harm ^_^

venality you mean

So if it happened when you were at the cricket and as a result you were forced to evacuate you'd be fine with it?

So if it happened when you were at the cricket and as a result you were forced to evacuate you'd be fine with it?

...and maybe my little bro was sitting next to a kidnapper/nmolester/scientologist...

the last two terrorist attack in New Zealand involved One Tree Hill, and a hammer being taking to the America's Cup.

I don't think people should be up in arms over mr Marshalls actions - surely he was only doing his employers bidding. The newspapers editors or whoever decided to copy the high standards of the sun et al should hang their heads in shame...

at least his task was not to bait a convicted 'murderer'

We dont let drink drivers off just because they didnt kill anyone this time...

Can we not dignify those two events with the label terrorism? Especially when we have had REAL, state sponsored terrorism where people have actually died on our shores?

and the last thing we'd have tolerated is interference from the French in our judicial process as some of us now appear to propose we do in the case of the Japanese whaling protester

Perhaps Apex and TtheHF could respond to this from earlier?



There was a very real possibility that the crowd would have had to be evacuated, people dying in a stampede is an unlikely but still possible outcome. Think about what happens when someone sets the fire alarm off at a dance event, the firemen have to come and check over the whole place even if they have a security guard who saw and apprehended the guy doing it.

Im not making this out to be a huge deal but it had the definite potential to cause disruption AND if this kind of thing happens a few times it puts the police or security in a difficult situation.

No I wouldnt laugh if Bill and Ben did this and when i saw chase and whoever do the osama thing in aussie i thought they were lucky they didnt get beaten... however that was obviously a piss take and they didnt pretend to have bombs.

that one time when we all had a bbq at okahu bay.... maybe some little kid saw us and left with the idea that excessive drinking is cool, he grows up, drinks, drives and kills a 4 year old girl. IF ONLY YOU THOUGHT OF THE KIDS JONO!!!

everyone is over reacting sooooooooo bad its funny. like all of you never did something stupid at some stage.

dumb old apex, he has no idea of the repercussions of his actions

and the last thing we'd have tolerated is interference from the French in our judicial process as some of us now appear to propose we do in the case of the Japanese whaling protester

Interesting analogy there bro...

when was the last time soneone died because the fire alarm went off at a gig bro?

at most it COULD have meant an inconvenice for a bunch of people in which case i'd say the majority of new zealand would be ripping the shit out of jon. im thinking it would have been more like "what the fuck is this in you're bag" "ok sorry you got me.... this is what we were trying to do"

more to the point - he wasn't running around saying i have a bomb.

drinking and driving is a fuck load more dangerous than carrying a backpack around a rugby game. lets be realistic here

You mean like we did when we LET THEM GO?

Forgive me for not wanting that to change.

I'm with bob d on this one. Stop reading stupid papers.

what with the trade weighted HEAVILY in our favour

I cant fathom why you are so stuck on someone dying being the measure of whether something was stupid/inconsiderate/poorly thought out.

I'm with bob d on this one. Stop reading stupid papers.

However, some interesting way of thinking by some of you... *stares at apex*

it happens everywhere else why not at possibly the biggest even auckland has ever had?

i can't understand why more people don't see it this way?

lol im not saying it was an amazing story or anything just saying i think everyone is over reacting about what *might* have happened

i can't understand why more people don't see it this way?

You mean the world cup, where the security will be on a completely different scale to that of a Super 14 match? Which is the whole point of why this is just stupid.

We don't want to live in a police state where every person turning up to a normal run of the mill weekend sporting event is thoroughly searched etc.

As was stated by the police and stadium management etc. Where there is the threat of terrorist attacks the security would of course be different.

We don't want to live in a police state where every person turning up to a normal run of the mill weekend sporting event is thoroughly searched etc.

Holy fuck Apex! We don't really judge actions on an "all's well that ends well" basis. The important point that you're simply ignoring is that this supposed piece of journalism could have had very real, very negative consequences. And for what? A cheap headline?

Apex, where/when are you DJing next?

We don't want to live in a police state where every person turning up to a normal run of the mill weekend sporting event is thoroughly searched etc.

As was stated by the police and stadium management etc. Where there is the threat of terrorist attacks the security would of course be different.

Every time I see someone do something stupid and wonder what goes through their mind I will think of Apex and realise - not much at all.

Exactly (although no threat is not the only reason, the security will of course be very different).
The only thing this sort of "hillarious stunt" achieves is hastening even tighter security... have a night out in Sydney sometime and see how much fun it is to have a full pat down search and metal detector scan plus sniffer dog to get into even the most average of clubs.

The next race day no doubt this will be raised, and it will have an affect on my day, and the punters day which is a bad thing whichever way I look at it.
You can send your thanks to the hacks involved.

Exactly (although no threat is not the only reason, the security will of course be very different).
The only thing this sort of "hillarious stunt" achieves is hastening even tighter security... have a night out in Sydney sometime and see how much fun it is to have a full pat down search and metal detector scan plus sniffer dog to get into even the most average of clubs.

The next race day no doubt this will be raised, and it will have an affect on my day, and the punters day which is a bad thing whichever way I look at it.
You can send your thanks to the hacks involved.

thats like slipping you're dick in hilary barry's ear while she reads the news.

i still dont think a story in the sunday star is going to really have an effect on how the security is run at the world cup?

It's not even close to that, it's more like pulling a funny face in the background while a solemn faced reporter talks about p. In order to reach dick in ear type awesomeness you would to at least have one of your testicles appear in the front page story photo in a not obvious at first but OMG there it is when you see it sorta way.

i still dont think a story in the sunday star is going to really have an effect on how the security is run at the world cup?

It's not even close to that, it's more like pulling a funny face in the background while a solemn faced reporter talks about p. In order to reach dick in ear type awesomeness you would to at least have one of your testicles appear in the front page story photo in a not obvious at first but OMG there it is when you see it sorta way.

It's not. That's the point. As has been mentioned multiple times, the World Cup will have completely different security protocols to a normal Super 14 match. Which is what makes the article so completely retarded.

All this achieves is creating a moral panic that people have to be seen to act on to appease the masses, then we have unnecessary impact on other stuff.

Now see, had he cut a hole in the bottom of the bag, and his balls were poked through amongst the fake explosives, and that was the photo on the front page... then I might have laughed

assuming that people read it and take it as seriously as you lot have? i don't think i'll be seeing on the 6 o'clock news tonight.

all i've said is that it was a pretty funny stunt and they pulled it off.

assuming that people read it and take it as seriously as you lot have? i don't think i'll be seeing on the 6 o'clock news tonight.

all i've said is that it was a pretty funny stunt and they pulled it off.

you've spent a good 5 hours of your day talking round in circles with me....... not sure how smart that makes you bro

Yeah that might be considered quite stupid but then I'm in good company and its not uncommon on any part of this board. I cant say it takes a lot of effort to post obvious stuff and I get time while i'm waiting for other things to happen.

A decent come back like the your momma one you posted earlier? No obviously I don't have enough time.

Again, when are you playing next?