old trance

is sweet.

got this dude from my work into it who is married with kids, he's asking me which clubs to go to for a night of it...






plur.

Next one is Oxygen, August 12th At Studio.

http://www.incline-events.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=7

Anyone who like "old trance" will love this gig.

The first Lagered party was a messy one. We gave up DJing with tickle me Elmos soon after

actually, the next trance gig is july 15th @ space called evolution (the old phoenix bar in newmarket) I play trance - some will call it psy- that is both old and new... psy people love it and so do club people....it really crosses the line between the 2. Jk, I understand that you are promoting your gig hard out, and I am promoting myself, rather then the party, but you're shocking- on one post you say it's energy trance, on another "old trance" I am sure you'll say it's whatever people are looking for to promote your gig, and thats cool. A full event is way better than an empty one. But honestly, to state that oxygen is the only trance gig coming up.... I hope EVERYONE goes to both....it's not like they are on the same night or anything, and in fact I would try to make sure that if I am involved with an event in the future that they don't overlap, It's not like one is better then the other - just different. But be careful. You try hard to pigeonhole the tunes I play as Psy (ie. in your opinion dirty hippy noisey tree hugger shit) but it is SO far from that, John"00" at slinky played tunes I own, and you portray your trance as all encompasing trance for everyone- real trance, energy trancy, happy trance...everything for everyone. It's a bit tacky, sorry

oh, and by the way..the entire "psy" scene came from the rave scene, so old trance is actually psy...goa trance was around in the early 90's

He said the next one was Oxygen, not the only one. Which probably means he didnt know yours was on. Fair enough, neither did I. And have you ever been to an Oxygen? Heard of them?

Your comments are pretty far out of touch dude

Furthermore, nobody makes any qualms about John 00 playing psy (amongst other stuff, yes I own some of his records ), its not for everybody but some of us quite enjoy dirty noisy tree hugger shit, why is that something to be ashamed of?

If your gig is psy, given that Oxygen is not, youre not even aiming at the same market, so I fail to see what the problem is here

One more thing, the colloquial usage of "Old Trance" or "Old School Trance" is not used in reference to psy. Sorry. Psy/Goa is and always has been Psy/Goa.

so mr panorama.... do you have a laser?

I don't really think you understand what I said at all. -

yes, he said the next one..and he is fully aware of the one I am on about (not my event-just playing at) and Oxeygen is in august, Evolution in July. So It actually isn't the "next" one.
yes I have heard of and have been to Oxygen. Good events.

I suppose you should probably read some of the other posts on this site and various others to understand why I thought that it was a bit shocking.
Promotion is cool, as I said, I hope both gigs fill to the seems.
Is that out of line?
Do you actually have any idea what I was on about?
oh- I have stacks of trance euro trance dirty psy prog psy uplifting trance....tonnes,,, I am not worried about what people think trance is, as long as they enjoy it

Do you have any playlist? Would like to see what sort of stuff you play.. that trance euro etc..

This may be a bit long winded, but humour me as I point out your stupidity...









Because I assumed that if you had, you would have an idea of the scale and diversity of them, they dont need much promoting




See the little tag "Bad Influence" under my name? That means I read around a bit.



Clearly, I have no clue. Maybe you should be a little more articulate when you write things, that way, stupid people like might be able to comprehend exactly what it is you are getting at.

Furthermore, I am worried about what people think Trance is, because when people get it wrong it loses popularity due to the stigma of other genres rubbing off on it. People disliking something, thinking its Trance, thereby avoiding Trance gigs.

"seems" = seams.

Lastly, please dont take any of this personally. Sometimes I just lose patience after a long day and some poor sucker on here gets the rough end of it. Today was your day, see you at Evolution

No it is a Psytrance gig. Psytrance and trance are as different as a cat and a dog, although both are household pets.



No, you play psytrance. See above.



and?




Not at all. The post on NZRave was by BJ, who i know very well, and whilst he used the terminology "Energy Trance" (not my term), i know exactly what he meant. Why is that? Oh.. well because as i just said, i know him well and know that he is talking about the NU-Nrg, Paul van Dyk etc mixes that he has on his computer...
Definetely not Psytrance.

The above post was in relation to someone from the summer of 2001 by the sounds of it.. feel free to correct me if i am wrong..

Bed, Voyager, Sinners, Kiss, Jones etc never played Psytrance? They all played Trance.




It is the next trance gig that has been announced thus far yes.
DNA at Kiss is coming up too i think, along with Godskitchen in October.
Both are Trance.. not Psytrance.




I doubt Phoenix holds 750 people. Otherwise it would be good, it doesnt really matter what our personal preferences are. The fact of the matter is Trance is far more popular than psytrance... if they are similar then why would that by?





Cool. Unlike you... i have actually listened to your cd and know what you play.
You automatically write off what i play as "Euro trash", like you said in another thread. Which i can post the link to if you wish?

If you want to hear what i play, go and pick a copy up of my commercially available mix CD from Real Groovy.




Tacky.. hardly. See above. I think you have missed the boat a long time ago.

Thankyou.. come again.

Exactly what i said. Go promote your gig or your mates gig as Psytrance..

Phat Productions have never labelled their gigs as Trance before. Why do you insist on doing so?

Trying to get a slice of the pie, that myself, CJ, 3AM etc work so hard at keeping credible?

Confuse people and everyone loses.

There's a wicked Underground Trance event on 15th July @Space (used to be Phoenix in Newmarket) It's the fourth of a series..If you look at the posts here for "3Phase" then you'll see what other NZRavers thought about the last one in May. Everyone that came and a great time; they were from different age groups and quite a lot of slightly older (maybe married-with-kids-people like i am?)

It will be dancey tracks though, these DJs don't do dark psy or anything yuck like that. They're also from all over Europe, which will give the event a nice different feel - wicked tunes, a lot of old trance...and the venue is really lovely, not your average warehouse-feel to some clubs.

See you there!

missed the boat? thank you come again?

unlike me, you know what I play -cause you listened to it...... but I don't?

whatever....

As far as who enquired to my playlist, well....I don't actually have a "playlist" but to get an idea of the diversity of the stuff that I play, listen to Brain Salad Surgery on Upfm mondays at noon

If you would take a moment to read the thread, or hell, even just the last few posts of said thread, you would learn that the gig at Spcae in not and "Underground Trance" gig. It is a psytrance gig. Please dont confuse the two

Actually lots of hard out psy fans (don't get me wrong, I love some psy) do refer to their music as "trance". I don't know if they even have a word for what I would call trance. When in Rome, do as the Romans do I guess.

JayKay, this doesn't mean that Oxygen will be full of "classics" does it? Or strippers?

Na

Therein lies the problem

man....the sexual tension in this forum....you could cut it with a knife I tell ya.

Are you coming onto me?

and you all wonder why our dance scene isn't as good as it could be...

You only have yourselves to blame..



no longer is it allowed to be called trance in this forum ever again.. define it as club trance, psy trance etc..

keep in mind most of the population still thinks it's all "techno" anyways

fuck i missed the shitfight

Don't see what all the fuss is about really, though i understand the argument...

PLUR has an agenda. And that is world domination. If you do no concur with PLUR, you may be targetted for Scientology-esk removal from existance.

That is all

PLUR.

well put astral, I like your style.
Give my best to PLUR

The flyer for the event sits sqaurely in front of me at this moment, and to end the debate, I would be happy to hand deliver a copy to you. It says on the flyer:

"Underground trance party"

Me, trying to get a slice of the pie you created and keep "credible"?
Wait, thats a bit of a stretch, First, it's not my event, second, thats like me saying you are trying to capitalize on the success of artists like Paul Van Dyke, Paul Okenfold or others who came before.
Are you an authority on what is credible?

ok, psy trane Psy Trance PSY TRANCE....happy now?

Read what i posted again....

That Evolution gig is run by Phat.. They were exactly the people I had in mind when I mentioned psy lovers that refer to their music as "trance".

It is only the fact that underground psy is becoming not so underground that this terminology tangle has become apparent, they've been calling it "trance" for ages.

From looking at the flyer I doubt there'd be any real trance there at all

It ultimately depends where you live I suppose.
If you say "trance" in Japan people think psy
If you say "trance" in Israel people think psy
If you say "trance" in the UK people think euro/gatecrasher.
If you say "trance" in the Netherlands people think 'cans of coke with Tiesto on it'

What is "popular" is directly correlated to what is available in any given place. "Trance" as a lot of aucklanders know it is more popular than "psytrance" simply because it has been made more readily available. This isn't so in all party places in the world. If you do a bit of research into what is Underground Trance as a normally acceptable term in many places in Europe & the States, that is exactly the kind of music that will be played at Evolution.

Promoters of all people should know that it's not at all easy doing this; ie.offering punters up an event genre which you yourself are totally passionate about; that you're acting on a gut feeling that it will be enjoyed if people just experienced it for themselves; and then have people try to gun it down before you've even showed your hand...

So jk & chaos theory, what are you really saying about yourselves with all these aggro posts? That you're afraid people will give up hands-in-the-air trance and start going to Psytrance or Underground Trance Events and you're unable to evolve with the times? That you're an authority on what's trance, what's psytrance, what should be marketed as what because-hmmm..because YOU can get more then 500 people to an event, and YOU sell cds you have mixed in a city where platinum sales is like 7,000 units?

I know the Evolution promoters and some of the DJs really well and they are not dickheads trying to trick punters out of their $20, nor are they here to erase other promoters' hard work. If anything, they love Psytrance & Underground Trance events that they've put up and/or experienced in other countries (you know, where you can get 1,500 people into a venue where it isn't all about stumbling around madly from drunken & drugged stupors). This is wicked music people--do not be mistaken by the insinuations of bad intentions--There's nothing wrong with sharing what you love.

Evolution will be a wicked Underground Trance Party. Pigeonholing it would be deceitful. No one in this entire town has the experience nor the authority to say it cannot be marketed for what it is.

So, come out and experience it, have fun; or bicker some more and get it all out of your system with your next night of handbag house or hands-in-the-air-commercial-trance. It's really all about options.

Thank you.
You're really cool.

yawn

exactly yawn.

This debate goes round and round. No ones right. Well, Jaykays kind of more right cause the reality is in NZ the masses are more in line with his thinking.

As I said, psy trance, psy trance, psy trance....I can live with that, man, I was just quoting a flyer

I was wickedly addicted to Tiesto coke when I lived in Masstrecht, south of Amsterdam. I am not sure what they put in the stuff, but manit really packs a punch.

Im sorry, do we live in any of those places? Because I thought we lived in New Zealand And here, in New Zealand, we call Trance "Trance" and Psytrance "Psytrance" or "Goa"



Why would a promoter offer an event genre that they werent passionate about? Im not saying the gig wont be off the hook, Im just saying promoters need to be careful about how they specify their genre. If I ran a Hard House party and called it a House gig, all the house bunnies would turn up and when they got there would probably be put off "House" forever.



I wouldnt call my comments aggro, that entails aggression. I think condescending is a better word. Im not afraid of people giving up Trance gigs in favour of Psytrance gigs, Im afraid of people not liking psytrance gigs and therefore giving up on all Trance gigs because they thought that psytrance was Trance. Yes, I would say Im somewhat of an "Authority" on whats Trance and what is Psytrance - albeit that meaning I can tell the difference between the two.



You are absolutely right, there is nothing wrong with sharing what you are passionate about. But trying to claim that your Psytrance gig is Trance is unfair to punters, and to both the Trance and Psytrance scenes.



Pidgeonholing is one thing, Branding is another. If your gig is Psytrance call it Psytrance. Everybody wins. Actually all we are asking is that it IS marketed for what it is, and isnt marketed as something its not.



I love this last little stab at Trance which perfectly emphasises just how little a clue you have about Trance and where it is at. Last I checked, nobody was offering a hands-in-the-air-commercial-trance night, so if you could point me in the right direction... And if you want handbag house, youre in the wrong forum honey, try here: http://www.biggie.co.nz/interaction/forum/viewforum.php?f=10

and see how well your pidgeonholing of their genre goes.

I like psytrance, if I knew that Evolution was psytrance I might have given it a shot. By calling it something else, it means that me and all other psytrance fans dont even realise that whats playing there so would probably never go check it out. Phats loss I guess *shrug*

I was responding to Candi K, not you Panorama. Weve heard you saying "psytrance" ad nauseum

YOU do - psy people have always called their music "trance" here in NZ.

No one except the very new to the scene is going to look at that flyer and think there is much of a chance of any (non-psy) trance being played there - is it really worth worrying about?

Thats the problem, its the very new to the scene who we have to look out for. Theyre the future jaded old bastards of the scene

I invented a new genre a while back by the way, technically its trancey breakbeat, electro styled jazzy-pop funked up, hard ragga, dancehall techno on the rocks with a twist. But I decided to shorten that to psytrance, its what Ive always called it. Spread the word

And just after my last post:
http://www.twisted.co.nz/forums/evolution---the-next-step-ft7505.html

Ho ho ho. I give up

Nice

And the very new to the scene will decide if they like it or not, my bet is they will love it, but of course it's up to them.

But I don't want to mislead anyone down the wrong path. Who knows, they might end up using illegal substances and going to more dance parties!

God Forbid anyone gets into dance parties. And using illegal substances? what would the world come too?

I have no idea what you two are on about

Baaahahahahahahahaa

what a fantastic thread!!!!!!!!!

this is great


yeeeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i don't like trance. i just like music.

So, seeing the topic was "old trance" i thought there might be people talking about old tracks they like.

So here goes. Nothing released after 1996 (10 years ago) please. Mnot saying it's bad, just the point is "old" trance . And any sort of cheesy-dirty-goa-euro-tech-progressive-friggin "trance" counts, haters will be forced to listen to old jungle.

For starters I like:

Vernon : Vernon's Wonderland : Eye Q
Union Jack : Cockroach : Platipus

trance is trance end of.. its all the same thing... and all to the same format.


what nick collings put should be looked at and thought about..

I think anyone at this point in time runnin a trance night in auckland is brave....

you should all just really get along and help each other out. instead of fighting over punters and who plays what...


at the end of the day its a party... not a footy game lol

1997 but:

Virus "Moon" Our House Mix - Perfecto FC. Classic.

and to just chuck a spanner in the works.. i like the following trance records

Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar - 1993
Cygnus X - Orange Theme - 1994
Drax II Ltd - Amphetamine - 1994
Jones & Stepheson - The First Rebirth - 1993


but wait were they "trance" before they were remade & rereleased in the late 90's?

Just sums up again how stupid our scene is at the mo.

nick, have you got an origonal copy of cygnus-x from 94?
I have a few old "psytrance-goa" tracks from that time period that used to be played by big Rave DJ's in australia... there was no such thing as a trance party back then.
you are right really, what exactly is "old trance"?

OK, I'm cheating too cos this was 1997, but

Blue Planet Corporation : Crystal : Flying Rhino

also

Vernon : Vernon's Wonderland - Sven Vath remix : Eye Q

classic minimal hard trance.

I never got the old Eye Q 12" but I did get a one sided white on of the original mix a few years later.. then got all the bigger club trance mixes at the end of the 90's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goa_Mix

Yeah, Ive got two copies of the one from '99

Hooj Choons or Free For All 12's?

I got the Hooj with the Moonman mix. Was released in 2000.

also have the one from 99 and stacks of old vinyl from 98-99. I don't play it much ever anymore except perhaps at home- and I will probably never sell it either....I was just really interested in some of the stuff from the mid 90's- yes, before it was called trance...paul oakenfold and danny rampling and all that stuff from when I was just in kindygarden

also have the one from 99 and stacks of old vinyl from 98-99. I don't play it much ever anymore except perhaps at home- and I will probably never sell it either....I was just really interested in some of the stuff from the mid 90's- yes, before it was called trance...paul oakenfold and danny rampling and all that stuff from when I was just in kindygarden

Free For All

Nice, the free for all had all 4 mixes on the one release. Most worthy.

now..this is nick collings at his best! Archiving to the max...love it

Astral....1997 but:

Virus "Moon" Our House Mix - Perfecto FC. Classic.

...your showing your age buddy

next time i'll plot em on a pie graph for you Andy

Yep, very happy members of my collection

Even earlier. More like mid to late 80's.

...sorry, did you say pies Mr Collings

sure did... and for once i didn't eat them all

Speaking of old trance, most of the "name" DJs are now in their 40s and some in their 50s. I once got told Yoji Biomenhaka is in his 60s??

talamasca too is an old guy...but man he sure still rocks when he does live sets

Armin = 29
Paul Van Dyk = 36
Tiesto = 37
Signum = Both 27

etc etc etc

Ryder = 25

Pan - 83 next Wednesday

lol this thread is great! reminds me of the battle we have with techno boys over electro!!

Trance to me is the early Reactivate sound, that's what got me into it. I hate people pigeon holing sounds into categories, but I guess it’s the way the scene works

yeah reactivate 13 started it all for me.....good times.

Belearic House.

reactivate cds- wow - John "00" Fleming putting together those early trance CD's... I do remember...I think I owned 1-9.. and look where John"00" is today, making psytrance with astrix and GMS........ now the techno/electro debate is a whole other thing

Is that where Belearic Bill lives?

Bill is locked away, never to see the light of day again.

John 00 is hardly a representation of where trance is heading, if that is what you are getting at.

He is hardly a household name. I have respect for the guy but his music these days lacks warmth and feeling. Its too undustrial and underground for my liking..

*industrial*


I own about 15 JOOF's as well... never work in a club. Clears floors.

The Steve Birch remix of "Attention" is huge.
Johns stuff works better pitched up for a hard dance crowd rather than a typical NZ mainstream trance crowd. (or off course in a psy set)

J00F is my all time favourite trance DJ but then I've always liked a more underground style and I came into the trance scene via Psy Trance and Progressive House.
Even though nowadays hes indulging in his crossover Psy, you can't forget that he helped break trance to the world back in the day.

Massive Respect.

Yeah big tune that. The press i had skates a bit after the last breakdown, so i sold it to chaos_theory

Like that tune I gave to Gee after my girlfriend stood on it..

Precisely what I was getting at is; John"00" mixed many CD's, I once owned many of them and add to that the fact that he's still around yet his style has changed several times. My post is Crystal clear

As to where "trance" is heading today - I think I will leave that to the undoubtably over qualified smart and right on top of it young promters who know everthing about the scene already - and where it's headed.

John"00" is hardly my favorite nor is he the most talented DJ or producer out there these days -that honour goes to several different people I know that have yet to make their names known worldwide, but because they don't represent "where" trance is headed today, they may never ever become recognized.

Ive never had a problem with it, a little sheepish we sold such a good tune for such a small price are we?

Hehe, see you next weekend hippie

We so totally loved your set at the Space Launch Party Pan -- and Big Dave your tune choices were top dollar, cat's pyjamas - oh and hey (they played breaks) but Simon & NoiseControl were really good too --

But back to trance, what can i say? nothing like the fantastic flavor of trance to keep the girls going all night-- thank you so much phat productions!

YOU GUYS - do NOT miss Evolution, you're in for a night of nonstop dancing and nonstop smiling-forget this stupid forum bitchfight JK & Co. - Chillout to Underground Trance, it will warm you up for your event in August. See you next weekend!

huh it's all about x-dream for real psy-trance, their Radio album from about teh late 90's is still one of my all time fav's. However X-Dream's last effort sounds more like psy-electro than psy-trance!

John oo will also have a special place in my heart, but these days he does it as much for me as club trance.. which is frick all diddly squat

I heard a 135BPM prog mix of Jones & Stephenson - First Rebirth....never say never.

Believe it or not I own an old copy of that and a couple other x-dream releases on vinyl....seen better days, but I'll never sell em

Actually, I think JOOF is a very well known name to anyone who follows trance. Although who is a "name" is probably a pointless debate.

I'm not sure that any of his own productions work on a dancefloor - not sure if i own any - but most of the Reactivate stuff he compiled goes off. IMO. Although the earlier reactivates (up to 12?) are a bit more what would be considered hard/acid trance these days.

Whatever. Labels - bah.

More old trance I like:

Future Sound of London : Papua New Guinea (1992)

considered by many as the first "uplifting trance" track that caused mainstream trance to branch off from house and techno and become a genre in its own right.

2 true Classic trance tracks are Matt Darey pres. DSP - From Russia with love & Lost Witness - Red Sun Rising (Lnge Mix) both tracks are from 1999

CJ Bolland - The Prophet