OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA ! !

vads you fucker - SHAME!

Being a war vet doesn't mean shit if you choose palin :>

Don't give him the easy out of "Palin"...


McCain wouldn't have won anyways...

PROGRESS !



273 - whatever mccain has.

Who cares, he's over the threshold now

exciting time indeed.


Side note, i didn't know Rev Jesse Jackson ran for presidency.

Where are people getting 273 from??

273 = 194+77 from The West Coast + Hawaii, which are ALWAYS democratic. +1 from Popular vote.


now it will be more than that

Urgh its all still projections.

Oh so it's an assumed over the threshold. Thought CNN had dropped that ball and lagged behind biggie

Time Magazine just called an Obama win

It's all projections for ages. It takes them an eternity to get all their results in from everywhere.

How long does it take to count all the votes?

This is going to be like the ABs vs Japan in the '95 WC :>

Published totals are out on Saturday our time.

EXCITED!!

G-O OBAMA!

LOL the republicans being interviewed on BBC are getting so fired up at the BBC reporters.. thats twice now they have started arguing.

One guy just now told the BBC host that they should fire their reporter.

GOBAMA!

bama bama bama bama BAMA

I wish my name was obama.

COOOOOOL!!!

BBC North America editor Justin Webb: It looks as if the Democrats will NOT get to the 60/40 Senate majority that would have allowed a sweeping of the boards. Someone at the McCain wake has told an AP reporter: "I'm very afraid that we're going to lose our freedoms, that the country will be controlled by almost a dictator." That person will be relieved - or should be - by the Senate results. One senator can hold up legislation - unless crushed by the 60/40 supermajority. Dictatorship might be held at bay...

If he gets Florida it will sure help, Especially with California.

It's done (by my view, not official). Virginia just called OBAMA. Along with Ohio. California alone will bring him over 270.

Well played America, very very fucking very well done. Hot damn this is going to be a sweet acceptance speech - and FUCK I hope Stevie Wonder plays the Inaugaration

ACTUALLY CNN JUST CALLED IT FOR HIM

These are some of the thread titles from the boards of Sean Hannity's website:











Which are all quite funny, but one of the message board sticky threads reminds you why these nutjobs can't just be dismissed as a laughing stock:

fuck yeah he did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can so see him getting assasinated though.

AND OBAMA WINS!!!



YAY!!!

FUCKING ACE!!!

Indeed mate.

*waits for Vadz response*







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Can't wait till he gets shot.

I'm going to enjoy it

America has fallen into a malaise. For some reason, they think everything is going bad:
1. They are the world's most powerful military state
2. They are the world's most powerful economic state
3. They have the world's finest education system, based on the research output of their universities
4. They have discovered, recently, massive new sources of mineral wealth

And they have panicked. They have mistaken the Iraq War for something more than a minor annoyance.

And the end result? They have chosen a man with no experience over a man with 25+ years in busting corruption.

America, you got the president you deserve

Am I a nutjob, Gummi?

Oh, that's right. Unlike the rest of you, I've actually studied politics.

Which, if we take your argument that stupid people shouldn't vote to its logical extreme, means that only I, as the most qualified in the field, should be allowed to vote.

Amen vads.
It's sweet - America got the President that reminds the rest of the world about all the good things about that country.

Anyone who'd vote someone who is 8 years passed retirement age into the worlds most powerful postion is a fucking idiot.

As opposed to what exactly?

I ask you again: WHAT IS SO BAD IN THE USA?

Obama is a MINORITY. He is not representative of America. He is INEXPERIENCED. He believes in racism. He has no concrete policies.

All he has is mindless platitudes. Again, we'll see if change and progress can stop a sniper's bullet.

Anyone who'd vote someone with 5 years experience in the field into the world's most powerful position is an idiot.

*cough*

I don't give a fuck what you've studied, but if you "can't wait until he gets shot", then yes, you are a fucking nutjob Vadinho.

I'll make myself clear again.

I was pro-Democrat. John Edwards, an experienced union rep - that's what being left wing means, which of course people like resist whose entire political knowledge comes from reading Obama's website wouldn't know - was beaten by idiots.

Hillary Clinton, an experienced politician with experience in the Oval Office - beaten by idiots.

Look, if you so-called left-wingers are going to attack your only real social-democratic candidates, and throw up bourgeois scum, you deserve to be smashed into the ground by the right.

Tax breaks and assistance for the wealthy while the poor drown in the streets
Religious theocons weilding power through a White House they owned
Corporate ownership of the House, Senate, and Executive
A unilateral drive for ill-planned, ill-conceived, and immoral wars.

That's the legacy of the Republicans - THAT'S the legacy that the McCain of 2000 would have helped wash away before he was captured by the same forces in 2008.
And those are all things that Obama does not stand for.


WELL DONE AMERICA

Like they did in the election right vads ?

No, you can't get away with it so easily

All through the entire campaign you and your ilk have been implying, or even baldly asserting, that the people who support McCain are idiots.

O RLY? So, pray tell, explain the process by which England became politically unified - what were the major factors? What effect did the Norman conquest have on English politics? Why did absolute monarchy on the French scale never develop in England? What were the primary issues contributing to English settlement in America? How did the thinking of Tom Paine affect the development of the United States of America.

You can't answer any of these questions, and yet you have the temerity to somehow claim you are somehow more politically mature than someone who can, and who would vote for John McCain.

Again, what is so wrong in America?

My IP address was banned on Mr Hannitys website..

And their EFFECT? If America is in a much better state than us, doesn't that mean surely we need to get rid of Helen Clark too? After all, it makes no sense to say "We're at 90%, therefore we need change" and then say "We're at 50%, we don't need change."

I would LOVE to have the problems America has, like the world's highest wealth, best education system, strongest military, and massive mineral resources.

Where exactly are these poor drowning? What exactly have the religious "theocons" done - absolutely no major Supreme Court decisions under BUSH. Not ONE. Where's the policy changes?

What wars? I'll give you Iraq. One sparrow. Spring.

More like the IP Address of his website was banned by your work

He believes in racism because it's not the fucking tooth fairy...racism in America is actually real.

Your posts about snipers and assassination attempts exist BECAUSE of racism and if they come to be, they will be plotted out BY racists.

Jeez louise!

Resist, I assume you will be voting for Mr John Key? After all he stands for change and progress.

All the major indicators for NZ are worse than those for America. Obviously, if America is in need of change, NZ is in much greater need of change.

People... if you felt America needs change, you must feel NZ needs change because NZ IS WORSE OFF. Find me any major statistic where we're not.

Vads - why would you have supported Edwards over McCain? Given the US needed no change?

You know what mate - feel your way, that's fine. My wife just got to tell my son he was watching real political history play out. And that's why I'm off to get a drink.

Yeah, straight away accuse me of racism. 96% of black people voted for Obama, which means only about 60% of white people voted for McCain

How the FUCK can that be evidence of racism? It's staring you straight in your face:

Whites are willing to vote for blacks
Blacks are not willing to vote for whites

Face the facts.

Actually I checked it out and I'm banned too.. not what I said above?

Stop muddying the waters Vadinho.

It's perfectly simple: if you want Obama to be killed, you are no better than the idiot rednecks you so strenously try to distance yourself from.

No doubt there exist countless intellectual conservatives (which i always assumed you to be), but when you cross the line and start baying for blood, all the political knowledge in the world can't stop me from calling you out for what you are: an (incredibly) intelligent nutjob!

They are fighting two wars actually.

They have 300 trillion dollars in debt.
the biggest divide between rich and poor
A cruel health system.
Oh and if you compare the education per population numbers its not that crash hot.

Thank God the John McCain that conceded just now wasn't the one Obama had to campaign against.

Listening to him speak to his supporters just now all i can say is John - you sold yourself short and you sold yourself cheap.

Perhaps I should say "major change." Edwards would have implemented social-democratic, worker-friendly policies, unlike Mr Hussein Obama, whose only friends are liberal college students and other such idiots.

I hope you're voting for John Key btw.

Oh Who would have thought that just five decades after Rosa Parks refused to sit at the back of the bus Virginia - home of the capital of the Confederacy - would vote for a black president?

We don't support war for oil.
We acknowledge the wrong doings to our native people.
We're not run by fearmongering white trash hicks who force the good word of "God" on people.

Being OK and not needing change has more to do with money and military

1. Afghanistan and Iraq. We're also fighting in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is entirely legitimate. Iraq wasn't, but it's a necessity now. And even then, they are only minor irritations that cause less damage to the population than car accidents. We aren't talking Cannae or Dunkirk here. I bet you think the Brits should have sacked Churchill too eh?

2. The debt will not be affected by Obama in any way, shape, or form. And even if it exists, it hasn't had any major effect on the American economy. As far as I'm aware, they're still using cash, rather than barter. Again, mountain out of a molehill.

3. The biggest divide? How does that affect anything? The average income is higher, the median income is higher than here. SUBSTANTIALLY SO.

4. A cruel health system? Any crueller than NZ, where people wait months for operations? Again, what's the OUTPUT? Life expectancy in America is 78.14 years and in NZ it's 80.24 years. Hardly a major difference.

5. Education per population? Ugh, since when was that a statistic? The fact is they have the world's best universities, produce the world's best research, and have many of the world's best schools.

Do you people even know what a "horrible situation" is?

Google "Russia 1945"
Google "The black plague"
Google "Mongol invasion"

That's what I hate about people who lack historical perspective. They have a habit of somehow overemphasising their own experiences, making everything seem so much worse. "Oh, nobody who has ever been dumped feels as sad as me."

Wake up and smell the coffee. Compared to every other country in the world, USA is still the best fucking place.

Well I hope you vote John Key so that 60 years after the ovens at Auschwitz were turned off we can have a Jewish Prime Minister

Wouldn't want you to be hypocritical eh fishy? If America needs change, NZ needs more of it

I love these platitudes backed by zero evidence.

1. There is still absolutely no evidence that the 2003 Iraq invasion was motivated by oil.
2. While a valid point, how exactly is it any worse now in 2008 than it was in 2000 or 1992 or any other year? Why does it need changing now?
3. George W Bush, with a Hahvahd MBA, is now a "white trash hick"? Nice. Forgot you also had the most prestigious degree in the world.

See now you are heading down the nutjob path

And still absolutely no hard evidence indicating that somehow NZ is better off than America. In the absence of that evidence, we can only assert that America is in even greater need of "change", as our problems are even larger.

Key in a landslide.

FUCK YEAH!!! LOL Vadz.

You cant wait till he gets shot? Yeah we know you are a war obsessed sicko who would like to see your friends in America do that....

You were the one harping on and on and on and on in the various threads.

There is so much wrong with America right now and they do need chnage. I really hope a lot of the stuff you say on these boards is just for argument sake or taking the piss. If not then please seek help.

wow never thought Obama would get in

now I wonder what ticking time bombs the bush regime will leave Obama to deal with (apart from all the ones already in play)

OK, let's use logic.

Country X has problems of Y magnitude. We measure problems by comparing with other countries across a range of measures, including economic strength, health standards, military strength, international influence etc.

If we decide that problems of Y magnitude require a cure, then it is logical that any problems >Y magnitude also require a cure. It would be illogical to say that a student who scored 50% in their exam needs help and then say that one who scored 30% doesn't.

hmmm. economic termoil...

how do you explain the recent crisis vadz,..

just alot of talk?

I see people loosing jobs all around me.

And it is because of the AMERICAN banking system,.

1. No evidence required...if Iraq didn't have the oil, the war wouldn't happened in the first place and we all know it.

2. It doesn't need changing, smart guy. You wanted points where we're better, that is one, it has nothing to do with change...the comment on change was to do with you rarring on about if the Yanks need change, so do we...I was highlighting that a need for change has more to do with just your precious military and money...for someone so "smart", you don't get the simplest of concepts all too fucking often.

3. GWB has a degree...whooop-dee-fucking-doo...so do you...and you're both examples of someone being "book smart" yet having no fucking clue.

When Bush stole it off Gore, the Clinton staff removed all the 'W's from every keyboard in the White House on their last day

um... are you trying to lose your security clearance?

Can't wait to hear Tupac - Changes after Obamas acceptance speech.

THEN TELL ME WHAT??

AMERICA
Life expectancy: 78.14 years
GDP per capita: $USD 46,000
GDP: $USD 13trillion
Unemployment: 5%
Population below poverty line: 12%
Education: World's two highest ranked universities, several more in the top 15.

NEW ZEALAND
Life expectancy: 80.2 yeas
GDP per capita: $USD 27,000
GDP: $USD 128 billion
Unemployment: 3.6%
Population below poverty line: 13%
Education: One university in world top 50

If America needs change, NZ needs change. You cannot argue the point when faced with bald facts.

This should be the Obama motto :>

We just KNOW, man

Nope, only his credibility :>

As opposed to people hoping McCain would have a heart attack?

I've used logic, I've used statistics, I've used actual cold hard facts.

You guys, as with all Obama fans, are mouthing platitudes, or "solutioneering" to use jargon.

You haven't defined the problem. If you haven't defined the problem

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW YOU NEED CHANGE?

I showed you that NZ is facing worse problems than America and yet for some reason we don't need change in NZ?

How the hell can you possibly compare NZ to the US

the country is TINY... fuck the population of Sydney equals the whole population of NZ.

and its a relatively young country.

The US has a longer history.

Your not being logical.

That's why GDP per capita, life expectancy, and poverty line statistics are all proportional, not absolute :>

Understand?

It is still blatently bias when you compare extremes and you know that.

The data becomes skewed.

So NZ is actually in BETTER shape than America?

We are somehow richer and more powerful?

We have fewer poor people?

Did you ever consider that the skewing effect of America's size is in itself an indicator of a better country in that size conveys certain advantages by its mere existence?

ohh and do you honestly expect a country not even 100th the size of the States to have several top universities in the world rankings.

Your just making an ultra flawed argument.

dude, honestly, right now we don't need your X and Y and percentage calculations - they are patently absurd

I'm listening right now to an amazing history-defining moment and really enjoying it!

please don't distract from this!

proportional to its size the states is in a fuckeeeen bad state.

poor man
America is fucked and now its his problem

George Bush is an IDIOT and I think even he realises that

he is an EXTREMELY poor orator, incredibly gaffe-prone and lacking in vision

etc etc

this is obvious to all except numbskulls

I don;t give a shit what degree he clawed his way through


and Iraq is not about oil!/?

oh RIIIIIGHT


put your fuckin head back in the sand!!

Does anyone really care what vadinho thinks any more?

Why are we entertaining discussion with a person who openly wishes another innocent person dead?

Fucked?

This is fucked:









Stop making mountains out of molehills

People were hoping McCain would die of a heart attack.

And from a certain perspective, Obama isn't innocent; he's guilty of treason in that he is incompetent in command of the armed forces of America.

You have a HYPOTHESIS.

Where is your EVIDENCE?

A single order, a single document, a single recording.

Couldnt agree more, this is the biggest poisoned chalice any American President has ever accepted. He will be remembered as a Hoover or a Coolidge while the president after him will be remembered as, and will no doubt have all the physical characteristics of a Clinton/Eisenhower..



Even Helen looks almost relieved that she might not be reelected.

I will concede they are still the military power of the world and probably still will be for a few decades but even in the immediate short term the American people are going to have to make some huge adjustments.
They are beholden to their enemies!!

I don't think people were hoping John would die of a heart attack. People were suggesting there is a high chance he would, yet hoping he wouldn't, cos then Palin would be POTUS..

if John didnt get so wasted in the results.

What did the Soviet Union do with their foreign debts in 1920 or so, peat?

yes they could renege their way out of all this.... are we heading to the Amero now? but the path to this will be through much social pain.

As opposed to what Lincoln faced?

Jesus christ... mountains out of molehills. Some of you people seriously do not understand what "fucked" means because you have been coddled for so long. America is not facing an epidemic, an invasion, or a series of massive natural disasters.

Wait one year, its too early to tell anything yet.

They can recover but its going to be rough, and the service economy that America needs to transition to as the last manufacturing jobs go forever is a credit thirsty one.

I dont think anyone here wished that.

you are naive man

if you think all political motives are spoken and recorded and written down for public scrutiny???

the country has recently faced an economic crisis requiring the state acquisition (nationalisation) of PRIVATE corporate assets

that's pretty significant as far as AMERICANS are concerned

that's all that matters in the end

Oh my fucking Lord! And we're making mountains out of molehills???

You're a fucking idiot if you think Bush was ever "competent" to lead the US Military...and you're fucking naive if you really think any President has all that much chop aside from what all the top ranking Military people tell them they should do!

Yes, the President can go against what they advise, but like that ever happens...you really think it was Bush who came up with the very notions of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars??? I bet you actually do...I reckon the sky is probably purple and clouds are made of marshmellows in your fucking deluded, backwards world.

Vads





reminds me of...

I have never wished death on McCain. A joke about a man's age does not equate to a callous death wish

Here's the problem in America, Vadinho: A deeply entrenched cognitive dissonance in the collective psyche of teh American people. They are utterly mentally crippled by the gaping chasm between what they have, their whole lives, believed America to be and the scary reality of what it has become.

They are unable to reconcile their love for America with her torture, her war-mongering, her deceit, and ultimately, her unbridled arrogance to the rest of the world.

A McCain presidency would, in their eyes, do nothing to alleviate this dissonance; this disconnect between the ideal of America and the America of today would simply continue to was too great a catalyst in people's decision.

What is wrong with America is that it's no longer a "beacon on the hill" or whatever the fuck Reagan said