'Mt Eden Dubstep'

Did you just compare Mt Eden Dubstep to Hitler?

A genre you've played for all of 5 fuckin minutes I might add

2 and a half years now but whos counting?

Apex, this is quite simply the way of the world. For every person with talent, determination and commitment that 'makes it' in anything, there are two people that quite simply got lucky.

The world is unfair and does not care about integrity one shred. Sorry :/

Obviously you are.

I do like how passionate you are Apex.

I think your analogy with the distance from the sun the Earth is was a really good one. It just happened.

You still can't expect them to turn down headlining one of the major dance parties in NZ. You have to blame the promoters for that, they were obviously well aware of all your points and they still chose to book them.

End of fucking thread! :>

This has nothing at all to do with "the scene" or dubstep or anything apex... it's just the way of the world dude.

Do love a good rant against the status quo though

ok im not going to post anything anymore except this.... maybe if more people made a scene about shit rather than just accepting it the world would be a different place

seriously though, if someone stole your car you wouldn't just go 'fuck it it's cool. i wont bother calling the police, its the way of the world. cars get stolen every day'


just saying.

Dude people have made a massive scene about this and it's made no difference. In fact, if anything, it's just got them more publicity.

What exactly is he stealing? I think I must have missed that part of the conversation. Are you talking about all his track being bootlegs?

There was one tune that was a complete rip off of an existing remix.

Thats pretty shitty

and every other tune that were all blantant rip offs of original tunes. they call it 'sampling' lol.

here is the worst one of them all:



original tune


autopilot remix, this one came out before the mt eden one. pay evtra attention to how he cut up the vocal at 2:19



then mt eden 'remix'. 28 seconds in cut and paste straight from the autopilot remix. lay some wobble thats out of key under it and you have an instant classic lol

In New Zealand? We wouldn't make a scene if a waiter pissed on our food in front of us.

when you do your just jelous bro

*you're
*jealous


Not that either of those make your sentence any more understandable, but hey.

lol fuck you

Well, I've had a listen to several songs from this producer... and every remix he's done sounds the same; Exactly the same formula, over and over again. Mood and atmosphere are all the same; its stock standard dubstep with pre-set synth tones over the top to play on the old emotions. Which you will feel; Assuming your soul is made of cheese. I fear it's only the start of the bandwagon. Expect more of this crap in future from Mt Eden, vain types desperate to be popular, and possibly jaded alreadyestablished types.


It had to happen though. Every genre needs someone to come along and lower the bar.

wow that is disgraceful that they charge the same as Concord Dawn

especially considering that I saw Concord bitching the other day about how long it took MED to remove the three Concord tracks from their YouTube channel that they bootlegged

People get paid based on the number of punters (meaning $$) that they can bring in. It's down to profitability. Nothing to do with talent etc. And the average punter doesn't know talent or really care that much anyway. It's all about going out and partying. Only the people with a vested interest really give a toss about the "scene".

this is the sort of fucked attitude im talking about.

if you dont care about the music go to ponsonby or some shit. the "scene" was built on music. not people with no taste in music shelling out for gig tickets. at least this is the fairy tale i was told.

all im saying is that im not backing down just because "its business". music, whatever genre, is meant to be about more than money.

am i the only person who thinks that when you pay 40 or 50 bucks for a ticket to a music event the quality of music should be, at a minimum, bearable


im not saying every time you go to a club you have to be listening to some ground breaking shit. or that people in clubs should know more about music. im saying there should be a standard though ffs. if we carry on this path we'll be listening to dane rumble fart into a mic, reaching for the lazers in a years time

ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG

I think the price is pretty irrelevant to the quality of an event and people should do their own research before shelling out for gigs. Well in an ideal world anyway.

I actively try to seek out live mixes of big names before paying to see them now because I am sick of paying big ticket prices for producers that have no real talent in the field of DJ'ing.

Being a good producer and a good DJ are two quite different skills at the end of the day.

the problem with wanting to cater to music people apex is their are few of us and we don't make the party... we're awkward and a little bit scary to normal people

and these arties are for normal people... the scene no longer caters to the freaks and the geeks... its for well adjuted (um) normal people who will party a year or two then settle down and be just like mummy and daddy are/were

in the real world ZM fills venues... and people wonder why things seem fucked up

its all lowest common denominator stuff

MT Eden are alright... young and dumb maybe but alright.... now if it was a dude with history one would have to kill them

yeah i guess the reason im not attacking them personally is because they kind of don't really know any better.

i guess you're right about the gigs but im still def not just going to keep my mouth shut because its the way things are.

what i am interested in is where all these new mt eden tunes are at? like the thing they were meant to be doing with ruby frost. or the tune they apparently did with bulletproof.

So do something about it, Apex. But dear god, stop boring us with your incessant rantings!

Its like you just woke up and realised its a popularity contest. ITS NOT EVEN ABOUT THE MUSIC WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH A YOUNG ZM CROWD! Its about a recognisable name and how much money can be garnered from that name. I like your idealism, cuz, but the music business is just that and 9 out of 10 promoters are not here to bring quality acts therough, they are here to make coin.

Apex, were putting out an EP in December independently (nothing to do with our label Universal Music).
Were releasing 500 physical copies (cheap, only to cover what it costs to package it) and then free on the net. The EP only has original tunes on it... NO REMIXES. I'll even give you one for free so you can play it on your radio show with fart noises over it!
Also in the pipeline are collaborations with DJ Fresh, Alexis K, Bulletproof, Six60, Home Brew, John Butler Trio, Loz Contreras, Ruby Frost and Sophie Jean Cookson.
At the end of the day if you still don't like what were about I'd be more than happy to sit down for a beer with you and we can have a rant about how fucked up the scene is and maybe you can tell us how we can do better since you seem to have all the answers.
Cheers bruv

cool man im looking forward to hearing the E.P. like i said if its half decent and its all original i'll big it up. im all about nz music.

i still won't agree with how you guys got where you are. i mean now that you are working with real musicians you can see how bad some of the older mt eden stuff was yeah? but hey, a good tune is a good tune.

do you guys plan to spend a bit of time working on the live performance too? im not trying to seem like i have all the answers im just calling it how i see it and to me being able to mix tunes is as important as being able to write original tunes if you are going to charge the same amount as people like concord dawn or state of mind.

anyways, like i said way back. this isn't anything personal about you dude. i don't know you so im not about to start attacking you personally. it's about the blatant lack of respect you guys showed with some of those bootlegs ie. the auto pilot incident.

hey one more question bro....

why are you guys releasing the E.P independantly? genuine question.

just wondering why you guys don't try to sign something to a recognised dubstep label?

Yeah all good, Sorry if I came across as a bit of a smart arse before, didn't mean it that way. We know it was mostly luck and timing that got us where we are... but we would be stupid if we didn't take the opportunity. Yeah we are quite embarassed about some of our old stuff but we can't simply remove it yet for several reasons... eventually. Jesse's been working hard at getting his mixing up to scratch and only a year into it i reckon he would give alot of djs a run for their money.. and I've been mixing since 2002 and were going back to back now. We are aiming at going live by new years but we are just trying to get this EP out of the way first. And yeah as someone mentioned before, its all numbers and supply and demand with the gigs - we don't think anyone is getting ripped off. I meant what I said about that beer bro
Chur Chur

Oh just saw that.
I can't reveal too much but we have a particular idea about how to market this one which won't fit the traditional format. We also want to remain independent until we feel our production skills are up to scratch and this gives us the opportunity to develop our style to a point that were happy with it.
Distributing it locally through non traditional outlets is another reason... we don't think were ready to go commercial just yet.

yeah im with you on this man heh. you would have been stupid not to take the opportunity and i guess when promoters are filling clubs with dudes that want to see mt eden its only fair you get your share.

this is where the whole 'nothing personal' thing comes into it. i mean its not really your fault (apart from the remix slip up's) but i guess it was what you guys represent(ed). i dunno maybe its just me but music has never been about getting famous and making bank. different people get different things out of music i suppose. im starting to learn that now.

it was just the fact that the old mt eden tunes were totally missing the point, in my opinion anyways. but everyone has an opinion.

the stage is set now bro you better be rinsing it in the studio

just stay away from the bootlegs man! heh

feel free to link me up any dubs lol

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Mt Eden and shit!!!!

im still waiting on all these collabs.....


i think now that the dubstep boom is kinda hitting a wall and people are a little more clued up now it might be a bit late for mt eden.

if this mt eden + dj fresh collab happens i'll be fucking surprised. john butler etc i could still maybe understand maybe but the fact that 90% of people in the dubstep 'scene' know whats up kind of proves my point from like a year ago. everyone that has talked about collabs up to this point has kind of done it to ride the wave but the way things are the moment its almost more detrimental to be associated. it's kinda like nirvana doing a tune with milli vanilli now.

order has been restored. thank fuck.

Did you not watch that video. FACT Magazine called them forward thinkers.

FORWARD THINKERS INA THE RIDE, EASY NOW.

bro..... there have been times when me and you haven't seen eye to eye regarding music but the, hopefully mutual, thing has always been differing taste. right now i want to hug you

Oh snap!

Damn... I just read this whole thread...

I know its a bit of a dredge.. but it seems a lot of people forget that Concord Dawn were shockers when they first started out too and I'm talking beyond trainwrecks.. I mean.. stop start records at clubs. Also, thier production was far from being on par with international DnB.... but they made it.

Chur

Mt Eden Dubstep is the Autotune of the Dance scene.

The Drifting of motorsport.

And the fat kid that got polular because his mum puts out.

no fat kid ever got popular because his mum puts out?

Well then how do you explain you bro?

ZING!!!! :>>>>>>>>>>>

OH. SNAP.

I'm glad you recognize the fact that i am popular by the way GB

Most of the original tunes weren't that bad!

A bit rough, but good ideas and OK execution.

Yeah the Concord Dawn comparison is only true to an extent- even in the early days when the their production was a bit "DIY", they still produced all their own material/original ideas and were obviously pretty talented!

The stage manager from the BW campground parties over NYE said the Mt Eden guys were playing a set doing all sorts of tricks etc.... but when he saw from behind the set-up they didn't even have a track loaded on Serato/Traktor... it was just a pre-made CD. They didn't seem to care that people knew either.

It's a sad, sad day when artists are so shameless that they do that sort of thing. At least Concord Dawn had the decency to try.

Not sure who the stage manager was at BW, but I was backstage & Rnv and they weren't playing premixed cds. One uses serato and the other uses CDs.. and there were plenty of clang mixes. Not premixed at all.

Well - two DJs who I trust to know the difference and were there say it was so (at BW, not RnV). The MtED guy who was doing all the antics, scratching etc had Serato up but didn't even have a track loaded.

Yo is it true that there's an unofficial mt eden dubstep remix of 'pink frost' done for the flying nun 30th anniversary?

Put a donk on it

ruby frost more likey than pink frost



one would hope given their respective ages that neither ruby nor mt eden are listening to the chills - if so thats cool but don't fuck with their shit, imo

After all this time why can't MED program a decent drumbeat? It's not like there's a lot going on in that track to spend time working on. They really don't seem to have an 'ear for music' whatsoever.

Yeah I think it turns out I made a mistake in my translation - someone was talking about pink sunset on a frosty mountain. I was drinking at the 2011 haiku championships..

maybe thats the point of difference that makes them standout?

like a band playing detuned guitars... its not about being technically (or even musical in some senses) correct but finding that note which fits... then again maybe they don't have the magic "make it alright" button on their computer

Yeah nah.

Yo I heard Mt Eden Dubstep were working with Ryoji Ikeda on an installation piece located on Mt Eden that will explore both the mountains volcanic past and the potential for natures destructive power to destroy Auckland in the future..

Even MED couldn't ruin an idea that great! Now how does one go about conning them into using their major label $ to bring over such a fantastic musician?

I heard they rite some sic beatz

The modern use of detuned guitars are to make gay bands sound heavy. Giving it the "wall of noise" sound.

fuck gay bands and their modern useage of said form of use

*shakes fist*

Da daaaa!!

sorry that really should be "chugg chugga chugg chugg"

Yo is it true that Mount Eden Dubstep are working with the NZSO on a live soundtrack to Dali's Surrealist short film 'Un chien andalou' for this years film fest?

not sure if serious.

dunno but they are playing Coachella this year

Un chien andalousia?




They should grow up to be, be some debasers...

Hah, that's the one.

Some good stuff at Coachella though, I'd go along just to check out Amon Tobin's live

I think thats the first Pixies reference Ive ever seen here. Points for you!

It's educational! :>

STOP

second reference

get out

Bob. You are the son of a motherfucker.





ok I'll stop now. :>

Allegedly Dalai, allegedly... having never meet my 'father' I actually am of the opinion I was transported here by the badgers

I was raised by puffins, see <------------

That "see" is never ending.

Ok now you're making me feel bad...


La la love you! :>

badgers are a superior species... so don't feel bad

worry about puffin boys mind, I think he's lost it

Bit of a latecomer here, having not even heard of dubstep until after I got back from Canada.. which is the "good" dubstep? The stuff like Nero - Promises like I heard on George yesterday (subtle) or the stuff like Skrillex (dark and hardcore sounding)? From comments I read here and on YouTube, with people talking about musicians selling out and becoming commercial, there seems to be a difference.

Neither of those are the good dubstep.

Benga - Diary of an Afro Warrior or Burial - Untrue are both a good place to start.

Quite influential albums.

its all about post dubstep now

booo yaka mummy

Ooh I like that Burial - Untrue.

How have I not seen this thread before?

IMO, once you've found a formular for making music, you have ceased making music and started merely playing macros.