'Mt Eden Dubstep'

Maybe the local fame grabbed them a little too quickly. Not enough time to get the basics sorted with djing.

Better grab a pair of CDJs and get to it if that is the case. Doesn't take much to do/learn some basic mixing. IMO anyway.

We said this to Krooked and Camo a few years a go when they were frist starting out. Now look at them.

Only takes the right tune and the right people to be into that tune.

Guetta eh.

It will be interesting to see what these guys do from here, because they have laid the groundwork to be a huge success.
Personally im not fussed on the 'tunes' they have done. But big ups where its due, getting that many hits can only be a good thing for them.
I think if they play their cards right and actually manage to land a decent dubstep remix of a big tune, they could have a huge career in the way Timo Mass did when he started with his remix of Dooms Night.

In saying that, they get bagged like crazy at dubstepforum.com and all those hits on youtube count for fuck all if it hasnt yet attracted the attention of a label saying 'hey you guys are dope, how about you remix one of our forthcoming tunes', because lets face it, if they were really that special someone would have approached them by now. And if someone has approached them and they turned it down that would be plain retarded.

And on the point of equipment, I remember being told that Benga produced his first album on a shitty PC running fruity loops with normal speakers in his mums lounge, and that was probably the biggest dubstep album released that year and was recognized outside of the genre as a decent album.

what year is this please.... komotion the world really doesn't work like that.... people at the bottom of the globe are not that interesting to labels thousands of miles away (labels whose sole job is to invest in talent... labels surrounded by talent don't need come to NZ to find clever producers... just ask Martin Buttrich, especially artists who so liberally borrow from others

come up with a awesome diea... for someone else to capitalise by borrowing it themselves is a much more likely scenario

I for one have listened to the Sierra Lione track at least 15 times...Most of my brothers friends are into it as well. I am quite a big fan (and i HATE dubstep)

Yeah well as angelicsatan has pointed out there is big difference between 'views' and 'unique visitors'.

A lot of people tend to use Youtube as their full time media player.

They seem to be getting heaps of hits now. They have also now signed up with a very large major label. Well done

Maybe im not understanding you correctly, but the fact guys like Timmy Schumacher, Antiform, Concord Dawn, State of Mind etc have been signed to major labels in their respective genres would suggest otherwise

Thats good to hear, who signed them?

wrong, they are signed to local indie labels (some have releases on international indie labels and distribution in some territories may be handled by a major label)

Well he did say within their respective genres, but yeah, a release on BBK, Broke, Hardcore Beats etc is very different to a release on a REAL major label.

regardless of genre, major is major, not big indie or well known indie... or indie undie indie

Please note: indie is not a genre

look around the world and show me a major signing acts.... they aren't (generally) they are divesting themselves of such things

Thank-you, the amount of people in the UK who tried to basically every British rock gorup was indie despite the fact they were signed to MAJOR labels...

What I meant was them being signed to a INDIE DUBSTEP LABEL - not a major. Hell if they were signed by a major based on them doing a few bootlegs I would be very surprised.

No one seems to know who or what they have been signed for anything, so it's all rather pointless speculation at the moment anyway.

According to their Karn Hall interview its these guys

from what i hear they have signed a mangement contract with Universal, but no recording contract.

Yeah a few of us were talking about how it's odd that they've been signed by a theme park rather than the music arm of the business - Universal Music. Maybe they'll be DJing on one of the rides?

management is the new lingo for recording and prob covers the whole 360 style now favoured by them still living in 2005

Maybe at the new Under the Mountain ride?

maybe they've been signed to work youtube for the suits

Gah, producer I really respect repping them on his FB right now.



tbh I think he's taking the piss. Phew, thought the sky was falling for a second there!

you respect Apex?

In a "sometimes he can beat me at Fifa" kinda way, I guess, but that's the extent of it

Nah tha's from a pommy cat's FB but he follows it up with

"SO FILTHY I SHAT IN MY OWN MOUTH AND RAPED A DOG BRUV"

so I'm now quite certain he's 'avin' a larf :>

heh, yeh, that may be an indicator, though who knows with English humour being as it is.

yeah might put things in perspective if you listen to the tune

Man, I reckon internet ridicule is where a large number of these hits are coming from eh

Eddie the Eagle/Eric the Eel of Dubstep?

Oh you meant a popular electronic music label.

Yeah if you're not part of the big four I'm not sure you can really use the term Major Label.

With 1.5 million hits your guarnteed to have someone wanting to cash in even if the music is so so.

Perhaps the label will pay for some decent mastering at least so the tracks sound half ok.

its a pretty crazy situation really. i've never seen anything like this before. i wonder weather this is like a world first?

i know there has been plenty of one hit wonders over the years but has there ever been anyone who got famous over the internet because such a large amount of the worlds population has bad taste in music?

shitloads of kids love the tunes. kids that proudly display a complete lack of any kind of musical knowledge by saying things like "the mt eden remix is soooo much better than the original" [burial - archangel]

anyone 'scene' related with dubstep hate these guys with a passion, im not talking NZ im talking world wide, but if some major lable thinks they can make a buck its gonna be mad interesting to see what happens next.

at first i couldn't believe people would even think these tunes were good. then i tried to bite my tounge because i felt a bit bad for the guy but after hearing about the (supposed) dj fee these dudes are charging and the rock star shit they pull im saying fuck them.

when real NZ musicians are missing out because of these shitty tunes its a joke.

Not much mastering can do if the mix-down itself is rubbish.
I learnt that the hard way.

most people have rather poor taste in music (tool anyone) as they don't spend the time cultivating that taste, rather they are happy (good on em) to simply respond to that which hits the right spot - in this case Mt Eden Dubstep appeal to a large number of people, especially them not used to listening to dubstep and don't know the originals

no NZ musiican is missing out on a thing I'd wager due to MT Eden doing their thing - a lot of musicians could learn a thing or two from these guys in the self promotion dept

DIE ANTWOORD

Now THERE is both GOOD marketing + QUALITY production. Done in style (Whether you like it or not).

+ Proof is their biggest fanboy though

ok so maybe saying that nz musicians are missing out isn't quite right. it still fucks me off that these guys get this much hype when its the optimus gryme's and the truth's that have earnt it. i think its just a soft spot for me because im still holding onto that dream that rthe NZ dance scene is still about the music. theres still a good bunch of dudes out there doing it for the right reason don't get me wrong, but when these guys are headlining DHF i think its pretty obvious the music has been substituted for kids pocket money.

i dunno i still say good on them for getting to this point, they are 'famous'. i don't envy them though.

op gryme and co have respect from their fans and peers in a manner Mt Eden can only but dream

where either lot goes is anyones guess

but no ones buying a bentley, except perhaps DHF

so true man!

When did you become such an elitest wanker, apex?

Major tall poppy syndrome ITT!

I hear ya Apex, fucking terrible that these guys that cant even DJ are headlining DHF. After that night children that like cheesy house will think dubstep is all bootlegs and DJ's that cant mix to save themselves (as I understand it they dont play live?)
Im considering renaming myself TAT Norf Dubstep and doing bootlegs that real dubstep heads dont really like and posting them on youtube to get my name out there

Ponsonby Dubstep ^5!!

def no tall poppy here and def not anything to do with being elitest.

you know what... when i think about it its not even the mt eden dubstep dudes that have dont this. its the fans. its people that say things like 'who the fuck is mala? mt eden dubstep is the shit' or 'can you play that mt eden dubstep tune called silence' who the fuck doesn't realise silence was already a classic tune?

the general reply from people is "your just jelous". people need to realise that these guys are getting bagged daily by some of the biggest international names in dubstep. Rob Sparxx was the last i saw. having the respect of your peers is alot more telling than having 4 billion youtube hits.

like i said i don't envy these dudes at all. the only reason it gets to me so much is because they represent the exact opposite of what this whole thing was meant to be about. that effects all of us too. next time your in a club and theres too many drunk 18 yo's remember i said this

if they were making shitty original tunes for the right reasons i'd totally have their back but they obviously have no clue what they are on about - "i like ronni size cause he mc's on his own tunes" and they can't dj. its like they have made a joke out of this thing that i've been loving for as long as i can remember.

no doubt there are a bunch of dudes who bag them now but would be loving it if it was them but im def not one of them. i'd rather be producing shitty to average original tunes and sign the odd one than have mad crazy fans all over the internet but be hated by the names that are meant to be the one's that inspired you in the first place.

actually after ready that back i kinda pitty them now. i feel sorry for saying the things i've said even. i don't have any hard feelings agaisnt the dudes or anything its just the situation.

if the rumour i heard is ture these dudes are trying to charge the same as one of NZ biggest ever dance exports. don't wanna get into details on message boards obviously when i don't know its 100% true but if it is this is fucking insane. that ones on them you can't blame the fans for that.

anyways... i don't wanna talk about it anymore. don't wanna bag the guys anymore either. just wanted to vent a little and i have now. these guys have def made the whole dance music thing a little bit more shallow for me tho

the technical term for that is 'self promotion' bro

Giving Mt Eden a band name imo

This is a good point and I think it says a lot about the promoters of such events as well.

It seems pretty obvious from the casual observations in this thread that these guys live performance is not upto scratch and it wouldn't take much for the promoters of DHF to check on this. Much of the responsibility of educating punters and enforcing standards lies with promoters IMO.

As I already mentioned though with 1.5 million hits on Youtube there is always going to be someone keen to cash in.

Ya can't really expect them to turn it down I guess but it leaves a lot to be said about DHF.

One of the late summer events had them billed as "Mt Eden Dubstep live", when in fact it wasn't a live act... merely a live appearance, which I'm pretty sure every DJ out there has to make if they are on the bill.... it's a little irresponsible to be passing something off as something that it isn't - not sure whether the promoter is to blame or not, but there was a discussion on the wall of the event about what live actually entails, which doesn't actually matter in this context.... in general, that's disrespectful to those who actually do play live, but also to the public, as it is misleading - whether or not joe average understands the difference between a DJ set and alive act and can appreciate the ins and outs of either doesn't matter, but you simply don't make assumptions on the (lack of) intelligence of the audience. Though this particular irregularity may just be a coincidentally be related with the whole MED thing.

Such a cop out call You have not read the thread have you?

Go back and read the posts before making silly statements

Dumbing down the audience......

I had a fight about this a month or so ago, and I got all sorts of threats from the person(s) I was having a go at.
This is happening everywhere, and I fucking hate it.

Fuck, I reckon!

BRUTAL

may have spoken too soon here bro.... rumour has it they have had several offers between $20,000 and $50,000 to play a 2 hour dj set in europe on NYE.

this is just getting funny now

well they are playing this saturday in chch at the bedford. Its sold out which is the 1st time Ive heard of a gig playing there has sold out that early. Capacity is right on 1,000 people so not bad going..

right so your mission now is to report back on here what the gig was like. more importantly what you though of there set

Sierra Leone is up to almost 6 million views now.

Wow.

Well, "Baby Dancing to Beyonce" has 12 million views, so I'd say Mt Eden has some catching up to do! Plus "Terminator Drum and Bass Style" has several million views as well - Youtube views = no bfd.

Hey guess what I'm going to play a cover of someone else's excellent song with a slightly different beat and put my name on it. Youtube views galore!

Unless he can come up with some original tunes stat, this guy is dunzo within a year.

Agreed that its make or break in terms of originals, but 6 million views for any dance tune is pretty impressive.

i still cant believe this guy isnt over already. he charged about the same as it costs for a set from state of mind on the weekend. didn't mix a tune. wasn't even wearing headphones. i just can't get my head around this.

i almost shit in my pants when i saw he was on a line-up with optimus gryme, truth, tiki, billy fluid and future one. WHAT IN THE FUCK IS GOING ON?

http://moonandbackmusic.com/archives/1805/comment-page-1

"I have lots of hits on youtube". Is that this persons whole marketing angle?

Could someone just write a script to repeatedly access youtube and drive up the views?

These are my personal favorites:

"BOOYAH says:
March 24, 2010 at 4:05 pm
You’re a deaf cunt. Your blog is as ugly as your sister and she’s proper rough too. I bet your Mom calls you “The gift for Mommy from the 7 lads at the pool hall”. Deaf cunt. Fuck you and I’ll rape your dog with a brick to get a proper bassline for my next banger. BIG 320? Fuck yeah, I wish I was American. Pow right in the kisser!"

"BOOYAH says:
March 24, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Actually, you’re not a cunt. I take that back. A cunt is something usefull."

"trotsky says:
March 24, 2010 at 4:52 pm
i sleep with married men"


"Benjaminge says:
March 24, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Your mum has Athletes Foot"

So much hate towards them! But it doesn't seem to stop them making money. lol

I hate U2... and ths far my personal view has not once ever stopped them earning a living

dear god why did you forsake me

Oh no - that was only the catalyst. The reason this is blowing up is the kids. MED have made the genre somewhat accessible with the bootlegs, and the kids love it. (OK, so have chase & status but they didn't work on making thier tunes viral over YT)

Kids don't care about production or ethos. They just wanna munt out ASAP - and that's why it works, and you can't argue with that, just like you can't argue with an 18yr old.

Really interested in seeing how the gig with Charlie, Tiki, Truth, Future One, etc goes...

he's a fee anon nom I tells ye

Lol, those are all dubstepforum regulars.. Trotsky has been posting on there since day.

One of their better trolls

hehe

Harley Rayner and Jesse Cooper, Two locals dudes, Ive known them since they were kids. Mount Eden represent. The heart of Central Auckland. You can see their facebook http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=135229868486
recent gigs:
May 15th: Sammy's Bar (Dunedin, NZ)

May 28th: Aotearoa Dubstep Allstars Release Party @ Zen (Auckland, NZ)

June 4th: WE LOVE SOUNDS @ Studio/Ink/Coherent (Auckland, NZ)

June 12th: San Francisco Bathhouse (Wellington, NZ)

June 26th: Deep, Hard n Funky (Auckland, NZ)

OH and APEX chill the fuck out. Mt Eden are relaxed and just doing their thing, having fun mixing and creating fresh beats. They are a few years tounger than me, but I still know what straight up fun and deep base. I also know that Dub step isnt the only thing in their lives... They didn't plan a marketing strategy. Hahaa

I love deep base

lol

anyone hear them 'mixing' at deep hard and funky? just curious...

for your information apex, Harley Rayner is the main dj in mt eden. At that point in time, he was over in denmark. So the mixing was left to jesse, who is the producer and in my opinion, not as good as harley.

So chill the fuck out and go mix some fucking music instead of trying to take the piss.

Hey funny fucking story, if they're charging the same amount as Concord Dawn then they better be as good as Concord motherfucking Dawn.

If they are the HEADLINING ACT at DHnF and they can't mix for shit (umm dj'ing 101) then what does that say about the gig promoter? Fix up.

Mt Eden Dupe-step are taking piss out of themselves and every dumbass punter around them.

Harley didn't even use closed headphones when djing, last time I saw he was using hd555s

It suggests that the gig promoter is booking acts based on how much the general public likes theactual music rather than how deep in the scene or good at mixing people are?

business as usual in other words

mixing.... pfffffft

Mt Eden are the david mancusso of dubstep perhaps*





*disclaimer I do not think this for a second

Its actually got nothing to do with people "liking" their music and everything to do with the fact they have gained a rep and people know who they are. To average joe public, 19 years old, student, likes to drink, its a name they recognise on a poster. Im not saying these guys are good or bad, I havent even listened to anything they have done. im just saying that its easy to get those first round of gigs if you have a known name. making it last is another thing altogether.. People eventually do get sick of badly played music.

Not if you keep making new music people like. There are PLENTY of artists who blatantly can't DJ but get booked solely on fanbase year after year.

Yes, this is true. I often forget that music isnt the most important part of a night for 90% of the people out there..

they aren't making music though. thats the thing.

they have been busted blantantly ripping off other dudes remixes. now they dont mix tunes either? its making a joke of the scene.

the lines get blurred between someone being elitest and someone caring about the effort that the dudes before us put in to make the scene what it is. and also the dudes making sick dubstep in nz. stuff that holds its own on the world stage. then these dudes come along and lay some shitty produced wobble under someone elses tune and they are 'the next big thing'

i've said it a million times, its not about them not being 'deep in the scene', its also not a personal attack on these cats. its what they represent.

re headlining DHnF, its a simple numbers game. they knew shit loads of kids would pay to see them so they put them on. nothing at all to do with the music.

also those people you are talking about can actually produce music. just saying.

the 'scene' was a joke years before Mt Eden Dubstep arrived

Try explaining that to their fans!

QFT.

And ranting about how crap they are or whatever is not going to change this. There are plenty of artists who gain notoriety when those that have worked their asses off in the 'scene' for years dont. Its just the way of it. Instead of channelling your energy into ranting about this, go do something about it, Apex! Get your beats out there, do what you have to do to make it work. Sitting on a forum going on about how they dont deserve what they have is a waste of time and energy, bruv.

I want to be the David Mancuso of dubstep... Growing my beard and everything..

He seems to play up in Hokkaido a lot - I will make it up there one day

oh dont worry i have. many times. generally its met with a "i waz jst boosting dwn the road and dis tune made me cum in my pantz"

what do they actually 'have' though? now anyways. i haven't heard shit from them. haven't seen them on any gigs. i wonder when universal is releasing their album

its such a hard thing to explain without either sounding jelous or elitest but honestly it's neither. they kinda just rocked up with a rent a crowd of 18 year olds who say 'hektik' and raped not just nz dubstep but nz electronic music right in front of our faces then wiped their dirty cock on the curtains. honestly, over $2000 for a dj set when they don't know how to dj?!?! wtf.

imagine if mili vanilli headlined woodstock because the promoter could sell more tickets.

i've always kind of tried to explain this mentality where these dudes come into whatever genre with the idea that they are going to run things when i think the best you can hope for is to be a part of something. if you're lucky you might even add something.

im still standing by what i said like 3 months ago too.... if these guys do something original that is even half decent i'll be the first to give them mad props. i'll even post a "fucking tune!" thread for them.

Funny how many people loathe this man / duo / whatever it is. Can't say I'm a fan of his music, it seems rather cheap and samey; take a tune and give it the same-ol treatment to MEGA-EPIC-DUBSTEP it. But there is a market for it, and hes tapped it, and may just cash in on it. Such is music.,

So what you are telling me is that your problem isn't with Mt Eden, or their fans, it's with the promoters. Right?

thats not what im saying at all. what im saying is the whole thing is fucked.

i guess in reality you can't blame promoters for wanting to make money, its their job. but how can electronic music claim to have any integrity when people like mt eden are headling DHnF?

think about the years everyone ever involved up until this point have dedicated to furthering electronic music and you want to argue with me about why i should be O.K with mt eden dubstep?

its just sad to me man. thats my opinion and everyone knows i never keep them to myself lol.


heres a question for you though.... do you like music?

Do you really expect Mt Eden to go, "OK sorry guys, we'll turn these gigs down we aren't good enough to play them. Maybe give us a call in two years?"

I personally think they are shit, but I don't think they are doing anything wrong, they are just swept up in their own hype.

They are just doing what everyone else started out doing and through some ridiculous fluke got noticed way too early. Blame the punters and the promoters before you blame them.

so ripping off other peoples music is ok?

yeah they got swept up in their own hype but they got their hype by pure luck. its kinda like how the earth is just the right distance from the sun...

they jumped on a new genre that was getting alot of attention and chose the right tunes to rip off.

i've said already thats its nothing personal. they obviously don't realise how bad some of their tunes are and they call bootlegs "sampling". but give me one reason why i shouldn't be against the outcome?

you had no problem arguing with me 20 mins ago so tell me how im being unreasonalbe?

you know what the worst part is... with all the 'hype' they've got they have managed to get the attention of some pretty 'in the know' cats and theres a really high chance that they will end up with the right kind of influence to end up making some dope tunes. especially when they have who they have mastering the tunes for them. when and if they do i'll big them up. i probably still wont play their tunes but if its decent NZ music then i'll support it.

when they are putting out well produced tunes if people still hate them like they do now them maybe you can call it jealousy but at the moment its calling a spade a spade. maybe it will put things in perspective just how out of control this whole thing has got when you think about the fact that dudes like Rob Sparks, people who should be the reason mt eden make dubstep, are bagging these guys daily. its like the new joke. "dude that sounds like a mt eden tune" lol.

im not backing down from this one man. im thinking maybe you should listen to a little bit more of their stuff because at the moment theres only 2 reasons you want to argue about this:

1: you know fuck all about dubstep and music production in general

2: you're bored and you just want to argue.

which is it?

Awesome! I couldn't think of a greater place to just hang out, smoke weed and listen to music than anywhere with David Mancuso selecting...


Question for ya Bobby. Will there ever be a Dj as influential as David Mancuso ever again? Creating the Loft and acolytes like Larry Levan... We'll never get to see anything like that in our lifetime I reckon...

/tangent

still waiting for a reply from jbs........

flash/ pan/ in

and you're getting all excite over that?

your missing the point bro we should be standing up against this shit. its serious bidnis

Nah, it's not. I dislike them as much as you do, but it's not the end of the world. The scene has always been full of BS, open your eyes to it some more. I just don't see the point in you continuing on and on and on about this.

Jaysus, Apex, take a fricken chill pill and settle the fuck down, babes!

1) Dubstep is popular right now, of course there will be those that rise to the top quickly due to popularity, THIS IS THE NATURE OF POPULAR MUSIC. This has happened with house since the late 80s and its still going on, do you see Rob Warner or Matt Drake in here ranting about how someone got a break and they didnt? No, you dont because this is just how things go and they have integrity.

2) Unless they are ripping you off or taking the piss out of what you are doing, why do you care so much? Yes its sucks that they arent being original, but its hardly the first time that has happened in the history of music.

3) TBH, you are coming across as bitter and jealous, despite your informing us that you are the, in fact, opposite.

4) jbs made a valid point, why turn down paying gigs just because they may not be ready? I, personally, wouldnt have played a gig I didnt think I was ready for, but these are young guys who messed around and hit high on the first go. maybe they are not great (I still have not heard them) and maybe they ripped a few tunes, but it is boring watching you argue this with anyone who puts the merest semblance of opposition up.

maybe you should just take a breath and realise that sometimes, someone is just in the right place at the right time. And this is not a personal affront against you.

And, really, didnt you also jump on the dubstep bandwagon? Im sure you have been original with all your cuts, but you were still following a popular craze..

i care because i care about music. im not talking about matt or rob though im sure they think the things im saying.

my point is why should i take the "chill pill" route? why should i not say anything about it. plus regardless of what genre we are talking about this is a whole new level of piss taking.

they havent 'ripped a few tunes' everything they have done has been stolen from someone else. i've never taken this as an attack on me personally, thats fucking retarded, im just not going to not say anything about it. fuck that. i have spent waaaaay too much time and way too much money on music to just go "fuck it lets let it slide". i give props where props are due just like i call bullshit where i see fit.

and to answer your question.... no i didnt jump on the dubstep bandwagon. i started playing dubstep when the tunes started appealing to me. how many threads have you seen on here where i have been calling a dubstep tune big then been ripped to shreads because 'dubstep is shit'? honestly.

ffs you have to be taking the piss because im just taking bait left right and centre here.

*yawn*

i see it like you do man but its a sliding scale. thing is these guys took it to the next level and on top of that they did it in the genre i play. im nopt going to deny that i probably wouldn't have cared if it was trance but fuck it's the same as how a blonde german probably wouldn't have been all that fussed with hitler

you went there? you actually went to a hitler call? dear good.

lock thread now plz