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So, I'm writing a reflective essay on Materialism. This is the topic/question:

Excessive materialism may have negative effects on individual well being, collective justice and ecological balance. Drawing on lectures, readings, tutorials and your own understanding, discuss the preceding statement outlining the implications of materialism for the contemporary world and its future prospects.

I thought to myself that it would be an easy essay. Basically I'm looking at the negatives and possibly positives (maybe not positives, but an explanation/excuse for it etc) of excessive materialism.

As this is a reflective essay, I can use public opinions on this issue. I consider you people (CA Biggies) as being well informed and hopefully give me some of your opinions on this topic. Also, if you have any useful links in regards to this, I would appreciated very much. Cheers.

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negatives = environmental degradation caused by economic growth eg: China

Positives = consumption fuels economic growth which increases living standards eg: China.
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the attainment of 'things' rarely seems to produce happiness.
but doesnt the word Materialism have a philosophical meaning that should be explored as well? Eg Marxists speak of historic materialism - "it is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but, on the contrary, their social existence that determines their consciousness."
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Quick brain dump:

If people arent happy with what they have now then "one more thing" isnt going to lead to happiness. Many people seem to associate belongings with happiness, which while true to some degree is not sustainable both in terms of private and social happiness and in terms of the environment.

There will unfortunately always be someone else who has something that you want and even if you get it the desire to get the next thing kicks in.

Instant satisfaction and all that - look at the current KFC adverts "satisfy your cravings" and then satisfy them again and again.

So what drives this materialism? boredom, mass production, advertising and other people. Mass production makes things more attainable and 'not special' so there is a desire to be special by purchasing things that are either expensive or rare (and expensive) Also commitment behavior (people want to tell others how great the thing they just spent $800 on to justify spending $800 on.

Background factors include less leisure time so a higher demand for entertainment (tvs dvrs home theater etc instead of inflexible cinema times).

Its human nature and it will balance itself out to some degree, look at the shows that are on tv at the moment with how to get out of debt. I also think we are starting to see an awareness of the side effects of this behavior on the environment and its ultimate unsustainablity.

I'm a bit of a fan in things balancing themselves out but they sometimes need a bit of a push.
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peat said:
the attainment of 'things' rarely seems to produce happiness.


I was going to say almost the same.

If you consider a county like Thailand, for example, the younger generations are becoming increasingly materialistic. They're amongst the most vain people you could ever meet - simply astounding actually. BUT, Thailand has always been a country with relatively low GDP - people just haven't been able to have all and anything they wanted - that suit, car, holiday etc.

Funnily, they almost always rank near the top of happiness studies - far above NZ, Aus, US, Singapore etc. But why?.. I spoke to many Thai people when I lived there and they just didn't have the "collect stuff to prove my worth" mentality at all. They enjoy family, friends and plug on with live. Of course there are many other factors involved but it's interesting that the higher-earning, better educated and more materialistic younger generation of Thais now coming through are far less happy.

Getting in the habit of collecting physical things which, for the most part, is motivated by the need for other people to see you with those things as if to prove your success or style is (as Tyler Durden alluded to) just bollocks. You can't impress your grandchildren in earnest by telling them about the car you had 50 years ago or the Ermenegildo Zegna suit you bought for $2200. The appreciation you get from your war stories, travels, non-financial achievements blows any material acquisition out of the water. Too many people get into a materialistic habit young and can't break it.

R
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Excellent point guys.

I want to put a bit of a spin on the whole topic.

I have a son. And lets say I'm a little concerned about his future as to what type of society he will be living in when he grows up.

Us, as capable citizens, can we change the way things are going? Can we break this cycle of materialism (which I closely relate to consumerism) and give our children a chance to be happy? Is this going to be so bloody hard that even people like us, who realize that the situation is bad, would rather not think about it purely because the scope of the issue is huge?

The ultimate question I guess is could we get people stop consuming? Or is this too unrealistic?? What do you think is the solution to this problem?

In my opinion, we will be seeing a huge change in the way people consume in the next 50 years or so. Most companies are concentrated so much on sustainability. But sustainability will not come from a better technology in my opinion. It will come from a different type of technology that you and I have not yet seen. It will be a new era where people will have a bare minimum, but all needs will be fulfilled. Can this actually happen though?
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The Buddist/Hippy philosopher Alan Watts has an interesting perspective on the issue of materialism, can't remember the title of the book, but recall him going on about how we are not materialistic enough, our society tends to produce a lot of junk and not many material goods of lasting quality and value. That suits me, because i love material things, that are worth having. But if i cant afford something decent i'd often prefer to go without than buy some cheap piece of shit that in a few years will be clogging a landfill.

I like the Greek perspective too, of the world as numenous, ie material objects have a spiritual aspect, but, i think Heideggar developed it, as the western world view develope, we have tended to see the world more and more as purely material, we have lost touch with the spiritual quality of existence.
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I think there is a tendency towards spirituality but that too has been repackaged, branded and mass produced (ie 'the secret' etc).

There is a tendancy in the western world to think about themselves as being the be all and end all. In the western world there is perhaps a slow down or even a move away from mass consumerism, its possible its time is yet to come in eastern countries or perhaps will be rejected. I think perhaps it will be changed and then thrown back at us however.

Its fair to say that the world is going to be affected more by the east than by the west for the next while. Perhaps look at materialism in that context.
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peat said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buy_Nothing_Day


It bothers me that some people might see this as significant. Its the old if i spend one day doing the opposite it makes the rest of the time ok - a bit like pointless detox diets.
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OneHappy said:
The Buddist/Hippy philosopher Alan Watts has an interesting perspective on the issue of materialism, can't remember the title of the book, but recall him going on about how we are not materialistic enough, our society tends to produce a lot of junk and not many material goods of lasting quality and value.


I like that concept - completely agree. We have become consumerist rather than materialist. We purchase for the sake of the purchase, rather than the usefulness etc of the item we purchase...
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bob said:


Its fair to say that the world is going to be affected more by the east than by the west for the next while. Perhaps look at materialism in that context.
By that you mean Chinese and Indian economy boom that is happening currently?? This is where those developing countries want to have things/items, because they now have founds to do so. Is that right?
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OneHappy said:
The Buddist/Hippy philosopher Alan Watts has an interesting perspective on the issue of materialism, can't remember the title of the book, but recall him going on about how we are not materialistic enough, our society tends to produce a lot of junk and not many material goods of lasting quality and value. That suits me, because i love material things, that are worth having. But if i cant afford something decent i'd often prefer to go without than buy some cheap piece of shit that in a few years will be clogging a landfill.

I like the Greek perspective too, of the world as numenous, ie material objects have a spiritual aspect, but, i think Heideggar developed it, as the western world view develope, we have tended to see the world more and more as purely material, we have lost touch with the spiritual quality of existence.


Good points also. I will look up this guys book on the uni website, see what I can find.

Your first paragraph is more related to sustainability, which I will put some concentration on in my essay also.

Cheers

Very Happy
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peat said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buy_Nothing_Day


My first question is where did they get that paint for posters they're carrying? Laughing

But yeah, this is a useful reference and I can relate it to someone is actually trying to stop it and it is achieved.

Cheers peat.
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Roman_K said:
bob said:

Its fair to say that the world is going to be affected more by the east than by the west for the next while. Perhaps look at materialism in that context.
By that you mean Chinese and Indian economy boom that is happening currently?? This is where those developing countries want to have things/items, because they now have founds to do so. Is that right?


My feeling is that they will take the idea (or rather our concept of it) and change it somehow. Networking is particularity important to Asian (and Russian) business and culture base in part on their history. The kids growing up with western advertising and the like are becoming more consumerist/materialistic but we see some pretty funny expressions of this. Perhaps for them it is more about experiences rather than actual possessions. (Not sure how you would substantiate this). The point i am looking for is that it is unlikely that our culture will be totally embraced by them without modification AND we are seeing the rise of their cultural domination which may have either a positive or negative effect on our behavior. For instance, as a gross generalisation, Chinese are less concerned with the environment than we are - will this reduce our influence or strengthen our resolve?

(i am busy writing an organisational analysis report at the moment to i apologise for the disjointed thoughts)
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In case you're wondering, I got 87% for this essay. Very Happy

So thanks for everyone's input. Smile
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I don't think materialism is as simple as just needing to display ones status. Some people collect beautiful artifacts and art objects because they genuinely get deep aesthetic pleasure from them.

The worship of money is a different matter altogether. So many people think that if they just win Lotto, then there whole lives will be perfect. It doesn't usually work like that though -- it would be a pretty superficial life you were living if the only thing required to make it better was more money.
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OR your life was pretty sweet but extra money would make it sweeter.

Should we turn this into a if i won a million dollars what would you do thread?

I'm pretty sure i could handle winning lotto and have a better life than now and i only consider myself superficially shallow.
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timj said:
I don't think materialism is as simple as just needing to display ones status. Some people collect beautiful artifacts and art objects because they genuinely get deep aesthetic pleasure from them.


Yet they can't explain it... why I've always seen the visual arts as ENC (Emperor's New Clothes)
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vadinho said:
timj said:
I don't think materialism is as simple as just needing to display ones status. Some people collect beautiful artifacts and art objects because they genuinely get deep aesthetic pleasure from them.


Yet they can't explain it... why I've always seen the visual arts as ENC (Emperor's New Clothes)

but you appreciate literary art vadz?
where someone captures a universe in a novel or eg a heroic poem (I know that will get you onside Razz ) so why cant you understand how someone would like a Modigilani or a Picasso on their wall. Or a Moore in their grounds.
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I’ve always been a bit of a collector, hate to throw anything away because ‘I might need it one day’, but that said 2 and a half year ago I packed a few meagre possessions into a bag and left it all behind. Surprisingly aside from a few small inconveniences I haven’t really missed any of that stuff.

My car yes, well probability not MY car but A car would be nice haha. Other than that the only real irritation is the various tools we need to get certain jobs done, adaptor for this or that, scissors, power cable, hammer, nails! these are the things that I miss the most - every time I need something for a task that can’t be done without it I need to go out and find a new one, irritating and inconvenient.

I wouldn’t see winning lotto as a means to get more cool stuff - I would see it as a means to not have to work 9-5 ever again. Even if my standard of living stayed exactly the same, having 100% of my own time to myself is easily worth a million dollars to me.
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The issue is not with the materialism as such. It's when it becomes excessive, then we see related problems, ie pollution. The problem then falls into catastrophe brackets as most products excessively used today are not sustainable.

I don't know if I can put collectors under the same definition as materialists. More due to the type/difference of goods both a collector and a materialist have.
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I heard an interesting view the other day on luxury inflation. Basically the goods are reaching <insane> prices because it makes them desirable to be scarce. The wealthier people are the more they want to buy them as status, but as more people who are wealthy and buy them the less desirable they become.

Which is why you see ridiculous things such as gold and diamond ipods and perhaps what has been driving the prices of unique items such as art and land.
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a propos to that point hugh grant just sold his Warhol portrait of Liz Taylor for 14 million profit
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bob I kinda agree, just not sure if it’s the insane prices driving the purchases, or if the prices are simply not even a consideration at all. Want = Buy, price not even noticed.

London is the absolute epitome of this. I see, hear, read about it every day, people will happily pay thousands and thousands of pounds for what technically isn’t worth much more than £50-£100.

A few weeks back I read about some rich dudes £50k car being sold by the council because he ‘didn’t have the time’ to pay the parking fine or go pick it up, ‘it was a year old anyway’. Money is utterly meaningless, it’s madness really.
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Thats screwed up...
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peat said:
vadinho said:
timj said:
I don't think materialism is as simple as just needing to display ones status. Some people collect beautiful artifacts and art objects because they genuinely get deep aesthetic pleasure from them.


Yet they can't explain it... why I've always seen the visual arts as ENC (Emperor's New Clothes)

but you appreciate literary art vadz?
where someone captures a universe in a novel or eg a heroic poem (I know that will get you onside Razz ) so why cant you understand how someone would like a Modigilani or a Picasso on their wall. Or a Moore in their grounds.


See here's where I combine the "materialism" of the visual arts with the "spiritualism" of the literary. You don't see rich people buying copies of Milton or Shakespeare except as "first edition braggers" - the content isn't what's important, it's the cachet of having art.
Literary appreciation is full of analysis. With that heroic poem, I might point out the references to other characters, the use of metre to echo the speech of noble/bad/out of breath characters, the use of Anglo-Saxon words to appeal to the raw, primitive side of our selves, the general structuring of sentences to convey archaism, or pace, or whatever. You can write entire books (and compilations of books) about single poems or books. You can't do that about visual art.
I read a lot of visual art reviews, and they're full of opaque language that cannot be justified, merely accepted. It's, I guess, like the difference between religion and science. With a literary piece I can understand HOW it affects me, and WHY. With a piece of sculpture, I cannot, and nobody seems able to explain it.

Which brings me back to materialism. When rich people collect paintings and sculptures, they don't understand those paintings and sculptures. They're bought for materialist, rather than spiritualist, concerns. There's no depth of insight, no appreciation of the true aesthetic qualities of the piece(s).
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That isn't so much of a problem in itself however vadz. Rich people have always been patrons of the arts simply because they have the money and inclination. Many people who do collect art recognise the importance of it and perhaps, are more willing to share it while maintaining ownership.

Using words to explain a visual experience is always difficult as many of the visual aspects defy explanation. Words however can more easily be described - its in their nature to be broken down into small manageable sections which lend themselves to description.
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Ultimately, who cares what other people do with their own money. If somebody wants to spend outrageous amounts on a painting just to show off, then good for them, I hope they feel it was worth it.

The thing is at least by spending their wealth, these people are spreading it around a bit. I am interested in art and I can tell you that most New Zealand artists are fairly untalented by world standards. Some of the biggest names in NZ art wouldn't get anywhere on the world stage -- their work is derivative and poorly executed in many cases. Even our most "important" artist, Colin McCahon, is totally overrated, and is a good example of how we in NZ are prone to self-delusionment. The rest of the world doesn't care about McCahon, and non-NZ art critics have been very unkind about his paintings. And yet the myopic art-scene here just can't help hyping him up so some tasteless nouveau-riche collector will pay $500,000 for his hideous work.

Everyone living in one of those white box houses all over the the "good" suburbs of Central-East Auckland, has a Stephen Bambury hanging in their entrance foyer, and a Gretchen Albrecht in their dining room overlooking the imported Italian dining table; it's like a kind of uniform for the recently affluent.


I do like the work of Bill Hammond though, his work does have a lot of power, and a distinctly NZ voice.
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You have got to write an entire essay on this topic?

Here is what I would hand in:

It's about choice - Viz:

"I've been rich and I've been poor. It's better to be rich."

Gertrude Stein.
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I mean FFS - you've got so much money you are unhappy??

cry.me.a.fucking.river.

Here is an idea:

If your materialism makes you that unhappy, why don't you take out of the bank that proportion of your wealth that is troubling you in nice crisp U.S. dollars, fly to Bangladesh, and give it away to beggars? No? Doesn't appeal? The money means a bit more to you than you thought? Why am I not surprised?
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Roman_K said:
Excellent point guys.

I want to put a bit of a spin on the whole topic.

I have a son. And lets say I'm a little concerned about his future as to what type of society he will be living in when he grows up.

Us, as capable citizens, can we change the way things are going? Can we break this cycle of materialism (which I closely relate to consumerism) and give our children a chance to be happy? Is this going to be so bloody hard that even people like us, who realize that the situation is bad, would rather not think about it purely because the scope of the issue is huge?

The ultimate question I guess is could we get people stop consuming? Or is this too unrealistic?? What do you think is the solution to this problem?

In my opinion, we will be seeing a huge change in the way people consume in the next 50 years or so. Most companies are concentrated so much on sustainability. But sustainability will not come from a better technology in my opinion. It will come from a different type of technology that you and I have not yet seen. It will be a new era where people will have a bare minimum, but all needs will be fulfilled. Can this actually happen though?

This article might enlighten you. Smile

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I'm writing this based on Stanley Cohen's research and so that's my source.

Our psychologies are not perfect, we can fall into psychological traps of thinking we are well-intentioned people, while in matter of action events, we are no different from those who would promote violent or what you might call (though I dislike the usage of the word) 'evil' acts - that is, actual actions in response to such acts by both proponents of, and opposers of, might be extremely similar to the point where there is only ideological difference between the two components. In simple terms, reactions match, whilst intentions differ. This article is concerned primarily with those components who are ideologically opposed to acts of atrocities - like the liberal middle class of nations like Germany, which allowed a genocide to occur while they are in awareness of it, or currently, those Israeli liberals who do not actively react to the ethnic cleansing and military killings of Palestinians by the Israeli government and military.

A component of this is the psychology of denial and does well in explaining why no actual responses occur, by those who would normally respond, do not.
As I mentioned above; our psychologies are not perfect, but it would be commonly assumed by someone who takes a liberal stance toward politics that they are more well intentioned than those who resort to violence. There is nothing wrong with good intentions, but it should be understood that 'good intentions' may largely be a conscious, rather than unconscious product, especially in Western societies where 'resolution through diplomatic means' is largely propagated, but hardly followed through (exceptions are arguable and not important to this case). What does this have to do with denial?

Modern psychoanalysis denotes denial as an unconscious self-defence mechanism. To conceptualize this, picture receiving a very high telephone bill - in psychological self defence it is not uncommon to think that there must be some mistake, and responsibility for paying the bill is not taken ultimately seriously until a time is met where you are forced to deal with it in one way or another. So here, while the bill is consciously acknowledged in one part of the brain, in another it is denied acknowledgement - it is unbelieved: 'Cognitive psychologists have used the language of information processing, selection perception, filtering, attention span etc., to understand the phenomenon of how we notice and simultaneously not notice' (Goleman, 1985). Neurological phenomenon such as 'blindsight' is remarkably similar, if not connected.

Recently, watching a documentary with a friend based on the corporate corner cuts of some bottled water manufacturers, the friend was emotionally affected and displeased at the 'immoral' endeavours of this corporation and intended not to purchase again. The next week, the friend was seen drinking bottled water.
This can not be explained by denial alone. There are sociological factors implicit in failure or reluctance to act, that accompany the psychology of denial. Cohen's reference to bystanders and rescuers is aiding; 'The bystander effect'.
In this, a young woman is attacked at night in a New York street while her screams were heard by 38 witnesses for over 40 minutes. No one intervened. Eventually police arrived at the site too late and she was killed. Putting the natural emotiveness aside, which this story is bound, perhaps designed to provoke (keeping mind that anyone here could have been one of those 38 witnesses), studies of the bystander effect reveal factors which suggest in what scenarios is intervention likely to be taken:

1. Where there is diffusion of responsibility. Diffusion of responsibility is where who is responsible to take action is not clear. The lack of provocation for immediate action caused by indirect responsibility will affect reaction in general. Important cases for diffusion of responsibility are corporate crime cases where the hierarchical structure of a corporate body may make it difficult to land blame on a particular unit of that body.

2. Inability to identify with the victim. Sympathising and empathizing with someone suffering is important. Those excluded from our social groups - through identify - are often excluded from our assistance too. It must be stressed that this is natural. It is not socially natural for individuals to emphasize enough with different social groups enough to make an effective change. Important cases here are Charity commercials which often put up pictures of starving children in a far away land. These only perpetuate alienation and further separate identities. Charities do not ask for people to make a direct connection with these children, they act as a 'middle-man' which makes it easier for contributors to part with money.

3. Inability to conceive of effect intervention. This is very important, as there are people willing to go the whole nine yards then face a serious problem: What can I do? People tend to feel powerless in this scenario and may become ineffective through this realization.
(Sheleff, 197Cool

Evidently, all these factors are applicable to human rights and effective change. Intention means nothing if it does not manifest into action.

References:

Sheleff, L. (197Cool The Bystander, Lexington, MA.
Goleman, D. (1985) Vital Lies, Simple Truths: On the Psychology of Self Deception. new York: Plenum Press.