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Interesting watch the other day with Real nowhere near the terrifying force you'd expect them to be against Deportivo (iirc?), awesome man-handling of a player he'd just fouled by Kanoute in Sevilla v Valencia, and a strong, tho not yet gelled, showing from Barca this morning against Sporting Gijon. Thought Gijon could have pushed them if they had've tried that little bit harder as there were a couple of good chances which they wasted but feel they were far out of their depth for most of the game. Alves was great to watch and was Xavi.

And yeah, gonna try watch a bit more LL this season, wanna try keep an eye on those dirty Continentals :>
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Real Madrid still have an awful defense which made the game against Deportivo very difficult for them. Will need to sort that out if they want to compete this season.

How bad was the Mestalla pitch? I don't think I've ever seen such a poor surface. It just seems to be one thing after another for Valencia, the fact they've held onto Villa and Silva should allow them to at least challenge for a CL spot though, Mathieu looks like a great signing for them as well.

Barcelona did well enough considering they were missing Messi, Iniesta, and Henry... Good to see Bojangles get on the score sheet and Ibra score a great diving header on his La Liga debut.
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Heh yeah that pitch was abysmal; I remember seeing what I thought was a wicket in the centre but decided it didn't makes much sense Laughing
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Barcelona 2 Getafe 0 with Ibra scoring one and setting one up for Messi. Dmytro Chygrynskiy made his debut at centre back as well, top of the table after two.
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Valladolid - Valencia replay is on ESPN now.
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Some homework for you Tony:

Bilbao step into the spotlight

By Phil Ball

In the season of the widely predicted two-horse race, a lion is making a go of jumping the early fences in style. I refer of course to Athletic Bilbao, who have managed to take all nine points so far on offer, as have the two more celebrated racehorses immediately above them.

The bats of Valencia were very close to being included in this first paragraph, but Sporting spoiled their party by equalizing in the Mestalla with four minutes to go.

The lions of San Mamés are the more unlikely of the early front-runners, after struggling to retain their top-flight status in recent years, although to be fair, in the last two seasons they have rallied quite well in the later parts of the campaign and finished a respectable 13th and 11th, with a King's Cup Final appearance thrown in for good measure. But nobody expected them to obtain full marks in their first three games, especially given the extra burden this season of the Europa League, for which they qualified on the basis of their losing the cup final to Barcelona last year.

Barça, of course, have plenty of other international distractions, so Athletic were able to sneak in on this new competition. By the looks of their excellent start and the ease with which they mauled Austria Vienna in midweek, the extra fixtures for them at the start of the season have oiled their machine quite well - so well, in fact, that the start represents their best in the last 21 seasons.

Add to that the emergence of the new Basque version of Wayne Rooney, 16 year-old Iker Muniain. On Thursday he scored one, set one up, and generally terrorized the Austrian defence with a frighteningly confident display. Like Rooney when he first appeared, Muniain has a face slightly older than his years, and looks as if he had been born to play the game. Athletic's youngest ever debutant and youngest ever goalscorer, he may not be destined to stay long in Bilbao.

Athletic's need to move stadium, stay afloat and remain competitive may see them cash in rather sooner than later, if indeed Muniain proves to be more than a flash in the pan. Small, quick-footed and intelligent, it says a lot for manager Joaquín Caparrós, so often accused of being a defensive obsessive and a reluctant risk-taker. Indeed, he sent him on half-way into the second half of this weekend's 3-2 win against Villarreal, who are struggling to get started this season after the departure of their guru, Pelligrini, and the loss of Nihat to Besiktas.

There is still enough quality to see them climb up the table, but for now the attention is on Athletic. Ironically, for this game, Pelligrini's successor, Ernesto Valverde, was something of an institution as a player in Bilbao, and although he has already experienced returning as a manager with Espanyol, the discomfort of these visits can never be easy to overcome. The only negative note for Athletic this week was the scary design of their Europa League kit. Ever since the Guggenheim, the Bilbainos have taken on the air of innovators with admirable enthusiasm but often mixed results.

How many bottles of Rioja had the designer knocked back before he/she came up with the huge wine stain on the back of the shirt - an enormous purple blob that makes the players look as if they are running under some inexplicably heavy burden? It's a horrible sight, and may have been enough to put off their Austrian opponents for the entire ninety minutes. Another negative note was not so much of Bilbao's making.

I actually watched the game on English TV, courtesy of my digibox. It was a rather odd experience to settle down to ITV 4's coverage of the game on a Thursday night - never a night I can manage to associate comfortably with football. The two 'experts' in the studio were ex-players Robbie Earle and Andy Townsend, and whilst the two of them struggled manfully to pretend that they knew something about La Liga and the Austrian scene, it was painfully clear that they didn't. Does this matter? Well sort of, yes. For the intended English audience, the game provided a bit of exotica. Nobody goes out on a Thursday night anyway - since they're saving all their energy (and money) for Friday, and the competing telly was pretty poor as well - I mean in England. It always is in Spain. But apart from watching a game whose players you have probably never heard of and whose city (Bilbao) you might only associate with the Guggenheim and all-Basque player policies, you should surely expect at least one person in the studio who knows something about the local scene, and whose background knowledge can help to make it a more interesting evening for the half-interested telly spectators.

Earle and Townsend, as ex-players, will always be capable of analyzing certain aspects of any game they see, be it in Bilbao or Bejing, and their pronunciation of the players' names (save the ever-problematic Exteberría), was half decent - but their very presence on the programme reveals a horrible conservatism at the heart of the football media these days. Why does it have to be so dominated by ex-players? It's the same in Spain, although to a lesser degree. Journalists still maintain a reasonably high profile on the TV here, and several radio commentators have become national institutions, but ex-player power has crept in, slowly and insidiously. In England, the speaking journalist has all but disappeared from the football TV media, only surviving as linkmen/women or MC's. Their opinions are never sought.

This is weird, given the globalization of the game and the greater need to seek contributions from a wider range of people. Sky's English coverage of La Liga has benefitted from the Catalan import, Guillem Balagué, and the Englishman Sid Lowe has been successfully incorporated into certain areas of the Spanish media down in Madrid, but elsewhere it seems that protectionism and conservatism rule. It's not that I'm after a job with ITV - but all they had to do was give me a buzz and ask me to drive down the road to Bilbao on Thursday night, especially before I'd opened my bottle of Rioja 2006. Hey - I'd do it for free to meet Andy Townsend!

Anyway, Saturday night was Barcelona v Atlético Madrid night, which meant a quick tour of the Old Part in San Sebastian, a few pintxos and wines, then back home along the prom for the 10'o clock fun on the box. This fixture has very rarely failed to provide high-level, quirky, goal-soaked entertainment over the years, and continues to attract attention here as a kind of pseudo-clásico. For some reason, the politico-cultural tensions of the Barça-Real Madrid rivalry are relatively absent from this fixture, and the game always seems to produce a flood of goals. Saturday night did not disappoint, but it was also a game to study and take stock of exactly what will make Barça tick or untick this year.

The 5-2 scoreline hides the fact that Atlético actually played quite well going forward, and set up a system that they thought might both smother Barça and allow them to catch them on the break. They pulled Forlán back into a deeper role - presumably to get him to provide the link with Agüero (on his own up front) but also to shackle Xavi, or at least to provide some extra nuisance value to disrupt his perennial clockwork dominance of upper midfield. They pulled back Jurado too, and flooded the midfield, a tactic that lasted the two minutes it required Ibrahimovic to cleverly open the scoring. By the time Keita had made it 4-0 after 41 minutes, it was seriously looking as if it might be a record drubbing for the poor visitors - despite the undeniable fact that Barça were playing no more than normally. Again, it was all about Messi, the 'rompe esquemas' (plan breaker) that the Spanish so revere.

I recall writing, around this time last year, that Kun Agüero was the more effective of the two players - which he was at the time. Well, ok - for a couple of games. Nevertheless, Messi, brilliant though he obviously was, was still in that phase where the runs he made with the ball were not entirely coherent, and the time he spent on the ball was often excessive, in relation to its effectiveness. Maradona said something similar about Messi, although he was pilloried for doing so. Now Messi's every move seems to have a plan, every run an end product.

It's impossible to predict what Messi is going to do with the ball, but Guardiola seems to have built up a system where the runs of other players open up enough options for the Argentine to take his choice, almost always to positive effect. It is no longer Messi's individual brilliance that matters, but rather the fact that Barça's opponents are simply in a permanent state of insecurity. Do you try to tackle him, or do you concentrate on blocking the lines of communication that the other players are always offering him? Or do you try, as Atlético did for a while, to cut off the supply to him? What can a manager do, the night before, as he sits in the bath with his ducks and tries to come up with a scheme that breaks Barça down? Tell the players to try all three of the approaches above? Only Chelsea in recent times have managed to stifle Barça's multi-option approach - and they still lost. Messi is fantastic, but Barcelona are an effective collective.

Even more scary for potential opponents is the fact that the new centre-back, Dmytro Chygrynskiy, looks very useful indeed, and has an excellent hairstyle to challenge Carles Puyol's monopoly on 1970's retro-style heavy rock-locks.

Elsewhere, Cristiano Ronaldo, the player with whom Messi invariably shares the top-dog podium these days, scored another two to contribute to his side's 5-0 romp against poor Xerez, but the suspicion remains, despite the Portuguese player's undoubted brilliance, that his individuality is still not as firmly fixed to the collective as is Messi's. Let's not get drawn into a debate as to who is the 'better' player, since that is kinda dangerous ground, but more significant for this season's two-horse duel is the fact that Ruud Van Nistlerooy announced his return by scoring the fifth goal and effectively putting Madrid on top of the table on goal difference, a symbolic position which will keep the Madridistas happy for a few days at least.

This coming week sees a double helping of La Liga games, and some firmer early season conclusions might be easier to draw by the end of next weekend. As ever, it's all happening here. Who would want to be anywhere else?
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And some extra credit:

The Battle Of The Best Has Begun

With a roguish ruffle of the hair and a head-cradling hug, Barcelona president Joan Laporta made little Leo Messi both a very happy and a very wealthy young man on Friday.

Some twenty-four hours later, Barça's gentle genius began to repay the vast sums of money now being dumped into his account with a simply stunning display to pour even more misery down on Atlético Madrid's worrying world.

The footballer described in Monday's Sport as 'the Crack of Cracks' has scrawled his signature on a deal keeping him at the Camp Nou until 2016 with a pay check totalling some 10.5 million Euros a year. Plus bonuses.

And a mardy middle finger to anyone who doesn't believe that the truly magical Messi isn't worth every cent of this impressive pay-packet, not only because of what he can do on a football field but also because he's such a loveable lad who is more likely to blow his cash on Pick n' Mix and pogo-sticks, rather than Porches and prossies.

On Saturday night in the beating heart of the Catalan capital, Leo Messi tore Atlético Madrid a new one in a victory whose margin would have been a whole lot bigger had it not been for a referee taking pity on Barça's truly hapless opponents by ignoring a series body checks and bundles by the visitor's defence.

Atleti had managed to limp from an awful 1-1 home draw against a ten man Racing last weekend, to an even worse result - a 0-0 against APOEL Nicosia in the Champions League clash at the Vicente Calderón.

By the time the club's trip to the Camp Nou had come around, the punch drunk rojiblancos were merely looking to avoid a thrashing the size of their 6-1 defeat the previous season, despite tough talk from the visitors' camp about putting on their prettiest pulling pants for the weekend's sexiest encounter.

As it happened, Atleti succeeded in their main goal by only being tonked 5-2 this time around.

An early sign of the miserable night to come for the visitors came after just 45 seconds when Thierry Henry rattled the rojiblanco crossbar with a fierce shot. But the merest of minutes after this let-off, Zlatan Ibrahimovic made no mistake by grabbing his third league goal in three to open the scoring for Barcelona.

A quarter of an hour into the game, Messi began the slow and steady torture of his guests by collecting the ball in a marginal offside position to ghost past the stand-in Roberto in the Atlético goal.

Dani Alves grabbed a third, soon after, with a poorly defended direct free kick. Messi then inspired Barcelona's fourth with a sublime piece of trickery to bamboozle Atleti's dunderhead defenders to feed Seydou Keita before grabbing his second and Barcelona's final effort in injury-time.

With that near-perfect performance, the Argentinean striker proved beyond any right-minded, reasonable doubt that he is the best player in the world. And that Diego Maradona is the worst manager.

Just eight days before his arse-ripping of Atlético, Messi had returned to the Catalan capital after a terrible time with Argentina, suffering from the Don of all downers and the father of all funks after two international defeats under the Donut-loving Diego.

But a perspicacious Pep Guardiola and Laporta knew that the best way to raise the spirits of this most sensitive of souls was to put Messi straight back into a side that actually knows how to play to his strengths, as well as offer him a record breaking deal at the club he truly loves.

However, whilst Messi is currently the best in the business and set to scoop up all the end of year prizes, a certain Cristiano Ronaldo is beginning to show signs of life in la Liga and a real return to form.

After a sluggish pre-season, the former Manchester United man is feeling his way in his brand new world, has grabbed six goals in four official games for Madrid and is already the top scorer in la Primera along with David Villa.

His latest two efforts came in Sunday's 5-0 win over lowly Xerez with a score-line that defined the whole concept of flattering.

Despite Ronaldo giving his side the lead after just forty seconds, Madrid fell into a footballing coma until the final quarter of an hour when the midfielder grabbed his second with a towering header from a corner before Karim Benzema, Guti and Ruud Van Nistelrooy managed the rest.

Although he is still prone to the step-overs and showing off that was a mark of his early years at Manchester United, Ronaldo is slowly getting a handle on his new home.

And that's rather ominous for Madrid's opponents to come with a rather optimistic Marca noting that the current scoring rate of a half-speed Ronaldo will give the million-dollar man 50 league goals this season. But that's nothing compared to a hyped-up AS, that's banking on an even more impressive 80 strikes in all competitions.

Whilst expectations are so often raised in sport only to be crushed by grim reality, the Messi v Ronaldo mega-duel is already showing signs that it could be as sensational as everyone was hoping.

And that's good news for two particular teams in la Liga. But bad news for the rest.
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tl;dnr, perhaps surprisingly (Razz) but 5-2? Ouch. Sad
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Yeah Atleti have made a poor start to the season and given the squad they have that's very surprising, then again with largely the same squad they conceded 6 against us at the Camp Nou last year. The president has publicly backed manager Abel Resino although it remians to be seen for how long if Los Colchoneros poor start continues.
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Sevilla 2 - Real Madrid 1

Barcelona all alone at the top!
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Hey guys look...



DAT ASS!!!!!!!!!!

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La Liga is still a 2 horse race, it's not the best league in the world anymore, some say it's the Bundesliga, lol
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Piquenbauer says it is:



Along with this guy:



And dis guy:



And deez cunts:



And this guy:



And Tony's favourite player:



And this guy:



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Grrrr



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lolz who's that cat with the moustache, the beat box, and the mini-af? Is it one of those Run DMC guys?
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mintgamecube said:
La Liga is still a 2 horse race, it's not the best league in the world anymore, some say it's the Bundesliga, lol


This is my primary objection. Two powerhouse corporations each trying to out-spend the other who have been doing so since WWI.

At least PL has four contenders doing the same Razz
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TtheHF said:
lolz who's that cat with the moustache, the beat box, and the mini-af? Is it one of those Run DMC guys?


ah his name is Thierry Henry, and he was at the Emirates in the weekend to celebrate Arsene's 13 year in charge at Gunners
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mintgamecube said:
TtheHF said:
lolz who's that cat with the moustache, the beat box, and the mini-af? Is it one of those Run DMC guys?


ah his name is Thierry Henry, and he was at the Emirates in the weekend to celebrate Arsene's 13 year in charge at Gunners


You mean Run T Henry.

Did you see above I said Sevilla beat Real, which means them and Valencia are well placed to challenge for the title this season.
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Heheh I was making a joke boys re Henri though I'll admit I did have to check the image name to figure out who it was initially; he looks bizarre with hair and a moustache!!

As for Sevilla and Valencia (they're fifth, what about Deportivo?) having a shot, Chelsea and Man Utd and Arsenal and Liverpool could suffer shock losses over their next three games and we could have City, Spurs, Villa and Sunderland as the top four in the PL too!
LL has four teams within 6 points whereas PL (potentially due to games in hand) has seven.

FACTS

*Atletico won it once during the nineties as did Deportivo and Valencia won it twice during the noughties, the rest have been the top two

*The last twenty years of competition have seen sixteen wins go to one of the two. While the last ten years of PL has only three winners, the last twenty years has six.

*Only six clubs have won Spanish top flight more than once. English has nineteen.

*Only nine teams have ever won it, with three of them having only won it once. English has 23 top flight winners.

*Over the entire 78 years of the competition have Real or Barca having won it 50 times. Only Liverpool (18 YAY!), Manchester cUntd (18 BOO!), and Arsenal (13 MEH!) have reached double figures, and this figure includes the forty odd years the English were doing it before your Spaniard pals jumped on the band-wagon. Though in fairness your lot DID have to play through WWII while the English, you know, fought WWII. :>
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Carlitos! Piquenbauer! Ibra! Barca!
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Hmm, was a pretty good game. Was definitely expecting for some more fireworks though, but as this was the third game in a row I'd watched it's fair to say I probably nodded off a coupla times throughout Laughing