iYawn 4zzz

bit of a letdown?

aren't they all?

pretty much and as per, really only connects if you buy into all the iDNA

its nice to see people who buy into the hype being let down. foolz.

Its decent gear for the most part but it is becoming much less iBling and much more McGear. Nice to see Samsung doing quite well too.

iJokes coming thick and fast

http://gigaom.com/apple/twitter-cant-keep-a-straight-face-about-siri/

Unsure how it's a letdown when it's exactly what all the educated guesses said it was going to be?

I like how this is a letdown pretty much because it looks the same.

meanwhile an android is smiling

nah its a number thing... should just have banged on the 5 and be done with it

then iAll could be excited about the 6

according to iRumours numbers are infinite

iMarkweting is yet to confirm

iAbacus found in california bar, nothing to see here said the 47 iEmployees including the iCop protecting the iPatents

I hate the "i"

have a good day

i will do mcfaddydaddy

It's not though? Nearly all educated guesses have been predicting a dramatic form re-design, 4G speeds, a larger screen.. None of which have been realised. A lot of rumours in the last two weeks have been focussed around the possibility of a simultaneous 4S and 5 release too.. But the 4S by itself with these specs is certainly not what the bulk of educated/industry people were predicting. I'm still really looking forward to iOS 5 though; but not sure I'd buy a whole new handset for what's essentially a bridging model.

A whole lot of people feeling the same way apparently heh:

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2011/10/04/apple-shares-slide-into-warm-bath-of-sadness/

You're confusing the educated guesses I was talking about with the loony rants of people predicting all that other guff. There has been virtually nothing to indicated a form factor change - no patent lodgings, no credible sources from plants in China etc indicating totally new hardware (in fact the opposite, everything indicating parts that looked just the same as a 4 but slightly different internal pressings). Etc etc etc.

The bulk of *credible* Apple rumour pundits were predicting this and no more.


The only letdown today was the lack of iOS5 public release, but I'm currently grabbing the GM (release version) that developers got today anyway so *shrug*.

apple is baked and time for a turnover methinks

You just like to complain about Apple don't you?

I am glad, now I don't have to be disappointed that I bought my 4 too quickly and its already been replaced - phew!

not so much now I can operate my windows desktop from it

Oct 12th apparently. iOS5 and the iCloud launch on the same day.

Shit like this reminds me of how everyone just likes to have a go at Apple. Now that is *yawn* worthy indeed.

Some weirdness with how location based Reminders don't work with Exchange accounts mean I can't set location based reminders at all. Silly.

Your assumption that fanboys make educated guesses is erroneous and wouldn't stand up in the Dragon's Den mate.

jokes on you bro.

Also the reason it's a let down is that the masses expected the biggets game changer in history, regardless of whether they were right to expect that (which they werne't obviously) they have been let down.

Perception > Reality

Who cares what the fuck fanboys think, why on earth would I suggest *they* make educated guesses. I'm talking about informed industry pundits.

1 million orders on first day - fanbois of the world speak with their cc's

snort

^^^ Hahaha, I missed that... That's pretty good :>

Shut your pie hole!

I flicked through the keynote (mainly to watch Tim Cook & others present), I don't really follow iphone blah otherwise, but I was quite impressed, and the upgrade looks significant despite version number bullshit (reminds me of browsers...). A bigger screen and redesign sounds totally unbelievable and pointless - suckers.
That Siri feature though, that is something I'd buy an iPhone for (if I um... worked and didn't study). It makes the idea of using it to organise shit totally plausible now by building an important bridge with reminders and notes. Before I feared the potential usefulness of a smartphone would be similar to iCal/Google Calendar which although great tools, I'm just not in the habit of using.
Though I imagine the 3G connection it requires to work might be the handycap there.

getting mine on friday.

Awesome.. can you report back on the effectiveness/convenience of Siri please, particularly for setting reminders and getting directions

will do

http://allthingsd.com/20111011/the-iphone-finds-its-voice/?mod=tweet

asked it “What’s the best phone?” it said, “Wait… there are other phones?”

:>

U prob no dis alrdy ryt?

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/05/8166217-awkward-apples-siri-translates-as-buttocks-in-japan

they seemed to shake of the feminie hygiene issue ok.

Ios5 d-DAY HAS ARRIVED CAMPERS! REJOICE!

Mmm I've heard reports of peoples phones being turned into bricks after attempting the update...

So... in no hurry myself

Yeah I'm waiting to gear how the iPhone 4 handles the new iOS before I upgrade...

Not so much the OS being bricked, more that Apple's verification servers being so hammered there's no response to authorise the install on initial boot. Or something like that anyway.

Been running it on iPad for a few weeks now, I problems at all apart from lots of iCloud stuff only being turned on today.

Em NO problems at all. Holding down the .com key for other options like .co.nz is AWESOME btw.

Sounds pretty fucked bricked to me?

PS You talk like developers talk

Bricked has a fairly specific meaning, which is different to what's actually happening :p

Useless as a brick.

I is os5 updated

Cant see what all the fuss was about really. PALM PRE still leaves it for dead in the mesaging department.

all in all unless you're a total fanboi with multiple apple devices there ain't a lot to get excited about 4/10

Why do you persist in owning something that you don't like while constantly pining for something else?


Here's a crazy idea... How about you get rid of it and get a Palm Pre then?

Seriously. Not rocket science.

isn't iOS5 free ?

Why would you complain about additional features for free ? :/

my android is free and features I can use unlike icloud and no need for i i i

for obv reasons

just saying

since apple claims most advanced os status position like

Obvious reasons like you wouldn't be able to bitch like a goddamn bitch about it?

And all smart phone manufacturers claim most "advanced os status position", it's called marketing numbnuts.

misleading marketing and Imma her to set the rekkid str8

on plus side camera access from lock screen is kewl

And those iii = $$$

So not so free when you consider the price premium paid for apple and built in obsolescence of the devices. But hey if you're happy to hang with that then I guess you're happy to hang with the evil corporations, right?

Old iPhones are supported WAY longer than old Android hardware. There is a PILE old old Androids still stuck on 1.6 with no upgrade path, even from major manufacturers.

Sure, you can hack newer versions on in some cases, but that's always been the case with iPhone too, and I'm not going to count that as supported.

Siri's great. It understands about 95% of what i say. I have been using it to write text messages, which it does well.

And setting reminders is easy. The annoying thing is though, Siri only works with maps and businesses in the US, so you can't use it for directions or any location based reminder

Apart from that the phone is great. The camera is really nice. This is my first i-phone though so i don't have much to compare it to.

One thing i noticed though is they have blatantly copied Samsungs pull down menu from the top of the screen. Which is funny seen as though Apple have brought Samsung to court over copyright infringement in many countries.

It's an Android UI feature, not Samsung. Also Samsung fired first in the current round of patent troll cases, in suing Apple for using Samsung patents in their touch screens. Touch screens Samsung makes for Apple. :>

ISN'T IT JUST SO GLORIOUS??!?!

Anyway, some notes about my iOS5 experience on iPad2 after running it for a few weeks now:

Good stuff:
- Noticeably faster.

- Multi touch gestures are FUCKING AWESOME. 4 finger+ pinch emulates the home button, 4 finger+ swipe side to side switches between open apps, same swipe up reveals the taskbar. Super fast.

- Holding down the .com button on the keyboard gives you options for other domains like .co.nz, I think it's based on locale settings.

- Apple's new "Find My Friends" app and "Airport Utility" are awesome, or at least have awesome potential. Find My Friends allows you to invite a friend with the app to an event at a location, and if they opt in to it, it will notify you when they get there. Neat! (It does more but that's the cool feature) Airport obviously allows you to configure AirPort devices from iOS - something I've missed.

-Photo editing stuff is cool. Rotate, crop, enhance, redeye, all built in. Also you can swipe to the left from the camera screen to view the picture you just took, then edit it.

-iCloud stuff is cool, but still a few holes. Why do I need to create a @me.com email just to sync Notes to iCloud? That's fucking stupid. The whole iCloud stuff just isn't very intuitive yet. Being able to download music that you previously purchased from iTunes Store is cool.

-Wifi Sync OMG YES FINALLY. Device and iTunes on desktop on the same network? Device appears in iTunes just like it's plugged in via USB.

Crap Stuff:
- New Music app is shit. Much worse than before, especially for me who pretty much only listens to Podcasts. You used to be able to move the Podcast genre button from a popup menu onto the bottom toolbar for quick access. You can't. You used to be able to change playback speed faster or slower, or hit a button to jump back 30 seconds, which is great for spoken word where you might have missed what they said. You can't. Lyrics support is removed, which means you can use that field for a mix playlist anymore, or show notes as MANY podcasts do. There is no "Get More Episodes" button anymore. There is no indicator as to what you have and haven't played. Only plus things are you can now delete shit right on the device - swipe the track and a delete button appears, and in cover art mode, you can swipe left or right with a finger to skip tracks back or forward. Also, Music app has crashed on me a few times.

- Location based reminders simply do not work on iPad. The option doesn't even appear, it looks like it's been left out totally, and searching the net seems to confirm this.

- Not really an iOS5 gripe, but fuck the stupid new FB app. I mean it's WAY better than it was, especially since the old one was iPhone only, but even with 3 updates since it launched a week ago, it's still buggy and crashy as fuck, and the UI could use some work.

my iphone 4 does this. Are iphone and ipad OS different?

I am still confused as to whether I need an ipad given I have an iphone (seeing as I need a new laptop and an e book reader).

If I had an ipad, can I watch my d/led programmes on it? I wouldn't have to change the format or anything (usually watch through that programme thats got the orange cone, the name escapes me something with V?).

Skype is unbelievably slow on the 4s and crashes often... not sure if it's been like that on all iphones?

And the battery is only lasting about a day, at the most..

Skype is pretty average, but I barely use it enough to notice crashes. Don't think it's been updated yet so it may be iOS5 weirdness.

That's about normal battery life I've seen from most smartphones.

oh.. i thought the batteries were meant to last days..

It could be old, but a bunch of us only just noticed it, so not sure eh. There are differences between the two, but they are mostly the same. (Example would be the multitouch gestures I mentioned earlier, iPhone doesn't do them without hacks)



VLC. You *can* watch downloaded shows on it, but you need a computer running AirVideo server and the AirVideo app. Josh can figure out setting that up pretty piss easy for you, works like a charm once up and running. Because we have mean upstream at home, I can even stream from my home media server wherever I am, even over 3G.

My opinion is it's very close to being a laptop replacement for a lot of people, but not for everyone.

they do if you don't actually use the handset

Yeah sucks eh. But they are doing a lot more than we ever made phones do before, so there's that.


I'm certain some Android people will come in here and tell you that their Android lasts for ever, but they lie.

must say that 0S5 on my 3gs works a bloody treat, way smoother and possibly faster than 4... reckon I've gained an extra year out of the old bugger which I'm well pleased with

Good to hear, have been waiting for some solid reports on 3GS hardware and that's gelling with what I'm hearing elsewhere. As I said, even a noticeable speed boost on iPad2.

Tried MyPad+ ? Way better than the fb app.

I did, but I didn't like it. I may go back to it if the FB app doesn't improve. I don't like the way a few features simply open up the FB site in a browser window within the app, it's jarring. I preferred to use the website straight up if it was just doing that.

Hmmm will have to check out the upgrade,

yeah the 'holding dot com' is standard with a 4 like Just said.

Although.. i'm not sure it's meant to be this bad. I unplugged my phone when i woke up at 5:50 this morning, and already it's only got a third of the battery left. At this rate it will die before i get home.

With the Samsung Android i had, if you clicked out of a application to go back to the home page - it didn't quit the application but just left it running in the background. Does the same thing happen on iphones? Also, if i am on a internet page, and click the home button, will it still be connected to that internet page and using data?

I don't get what the @me.com email is for. icloud uses my gmail account as the login.. but required me to create this email, but the two aren't connected at all?

Just upgraded to 4S plan here I wasn't going to, but it's actually working out cheaper somehow. I was on a $59/mo plan, but they've released new plans recently, and the $49 one is the same as what I'm on now. So now I'm paying $49/mo + $8/mo for phone repayment. I have to pay $350 disconnection fee on my current contract, but then I can sell my current iPhone 4 for $400 anyway (got a quote already).

Yup iOS does that, but in fact it's WAY more aggressive at pulling resources from apps that are in background state.

And no, you wont be. You only use data when it's actually doing something. (Push notifications of course are different, but Android is the same)

Nice

Ok cheers Kris. Just one more question, with the android there was a "utilities" program i could open and it would show me all the current applications which are still running and let me close them. Does the iphone have this? I have looked but can't find anything.

Double click the home button, this will launch the multitasker.... you have to close applications one at a time

its like you double click the 'home key' or click it fast or something, and then the screen slides up and give you one row of icons, then you hold your finger on the icons till the show a minus in a red circle on the top left, then touching the minus will close them.

PS you could try turning GPS off too if you are not using it. I don't have location services activated for most apps anyway.

Oh and for god's sake get rid of the 'sent from my iPhone' signature unless you want to be a tosser

thanks mate

Haha will do (after a couple of emails just for novelty sake )

change it to: sent from my blackberry

Every single application on my phone was still open after playing with it on friday

Thanks for the help guys.

Ahhh, but the trick is, they aren't really open. After about 10 minutes (unless other apps are demanding resources at which point the OS will flush them out), they basically shut right down, leaving only the icon in that task drawer.

A fine example of this is IM apps, they tend to pop up a notification after about 8 or 9 minutes saying "hey, open me up again if you want me to remain running".

Biggest iOS battery killers are: 3G, GPS, apps that heavily tax the CPU like high end games. If you're in a slightly sketchy coverage area, that hammers the battery too.

Other trick with the task drawer is to scroll all the way to the left (i.e. swiping to the right), gives you sweet audio controls and a button that by default is orientation lock, but if you switch the mute switch to that, becomes the mute button instead.

Oh yeah, that is quite cool - thanks!

I just have a charger on my work PC and plug my phone in here. I only ever use it at home if I'm in bed (and have a charger for beside my bed) so never really worry about battery levels.

You only ever use your phone when you're at home in bed?

Sex lines?

I like the fleshlight app

errr.. I mean flashlight app.

*sexy sax*

Worse than that, he sets it to "meeting" and rings himself all night.

*While listening to 'Careless Whisper' on repeat

I'm afraid to turn this off in case i lose it, as then i won't be able to use "Find my Iphone".

Meh well I don't have mine off either tbh

Interestingly, I think that is how Android works now too. Seems to on my new device anyway.



gc.

Anyone know of any good IM apps for the iphone? i was hoping ichat would be on available but it's not..

What about Facebook or gChat?



gc.

i dont like being logged into facebook chat.. too many people on there always trying to chat to me

gchat is ok, but it connects via the google app and then onto the web browser... (unless there's another way of doing it?) would be good to get a stand alone app.

I do have skype though.. but i prefer ichat.