Its not about oil?

If the US had made a deal that the existing deals France and Russia had with saddam would be honoured after the war would they have supported the UN resolution? I would have thought so. Certainly it would have been worth trying. The fact that it wasn't suggests two reasons.

1. The US did not really care/want UN backing before going to war with saddam but just wanted to be seen to be doing the right thing.

2. Oil contracts for its own companies/country is a major reason for going to war.

Not wanting to rehash old debates, so can people stick to why the US would not offer to honour those contracts.

3. It's not up to the US to decide which contracts the Iraqi's will honour.

Of course it is Trapper. Just wait and see what happens with oil contracts. A contract should be legally binding except when you're an American.

There is no reason the contract could not be negotiated so that they continue with a change of govt. Our govt changing does not mean all existing contrcats are null and void.

4. The former country known as Iraq will now be called US settlement village 905 and all oil Reserves have been marked Product Of the USA

jah; maybe so, maybe not. Remember those contracts are extremely unfair to Iraq, basically give-aways. I don't really think it's going to have much effect on Iraq's credibility in the future if they scrap them.

But either way it's not Americas decision, so they can’t make any promises on the topic.

Do you think they have even entertained the thought trapper? Do you think they would have considered letting france/russia control oil in the area? I think not, its clearly at the least a desirable consequence of the war, most people would say its more than that.

Funny thing is I doubt if even Saddam would honor those contracts if the sanctions were lifted. They are so one sided it's not even funny, why on earth would saddam honor contracts where the other party gains 70% of the profit on his oil?

Quite likely trapper.

Quote from Bush's address to the nation today:

"And all Iraqi military and civilian personnel should listen carefully to this warning: In any conflict, your fate will depend on your actions. Do not destroy oil wells, a source of wealth that belongs to the Iraqi people."

Makes it pretty hard to argue against the fact that oil is at the forefront of Bush's mind doesn't it?

Yes, DrCole, exactly as I thought. I hope Saddam burns every last drop of oil

Mark the date: March 16, 2003. It will go down in history as the day our new Caesar crossed his personal Rubicon. Bush's twin ultimata, to Iraq and to the United Nations, constituted the final and ultimate declaration of the new New World Order.

[snip]

Yesterday, Bush drew the battle lines through the entire globe and through the middle of each country. In order even to begin to understand how to oppose this new imperialism, we must understand this: weapons of mass destruction have nothing to do with this war, and even Iraq itself has to do with this war only in the sense that it is a strategic prize. This war is a small part of an ongoing attempt to reshape the world.

The target of this war is not Iraq. The target is the entire world order, and Iraq is simply collateral damage.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=40&ItemID=3249

Agreed Bob - There will be numerous key events that follow on from this war - They might not neccessarily show themselves immediately, but it will be done in a 'conditioning' type format.

This is going to piss alot of people off, and as Saddam has said, it will not be isolated to purely US and Iraqi turf.

Regarding "shaping the world" - The way technology is going, or more importantly, how it is being utilised, well its so bleeding obvious!!!

Control, control control - The gap between the "haves" and "have nots" is growing all the time, makes you wonder how the "haves" have so much, IMF?

All driven by inducing the fear aspect - right down to TV advertising ie/ Banks

The 28th president of USA, Woodrow Wilson basically fucked up big time when he signed 1913 Federal Reserve Act - Therefore allowing private banks, IMF (Rockafella family and such) the abililty to control currency - That power should be taken from the banks and given back to the governments where it rightfully belongs.

Therefore allowing money to be our servant and not our master!!!

Thats what all this is about

I could be mistaken on this this one, but I believe the IMF have no monetery control within Iraq - So fuck them up with war, then lend them the money so they can repair themsevles = forever in debt and under control.

As you said - World Order

All of the Arab world needs to show solidarity particularly the opec nations and refuse to sell oil to the US during the course of the war and for a period afterwards. Shame it would never happen. That would really hit the US where it hurts.

"So fuck them up with war, then lend them the money so they can repair themsevles = forever in debt and under control." - Huck

With 2 trillion dollars worth oil it's very hard to imagine Iraq will be in serious debt any time soon. Kind of shoots your theory in the foot huh...


styln, yea it would never happen, the arab nations need to sell their oil a lot more than the US needs to buy it. Without the revenue it generates they would be totally fucked.

Even better then. Bomb the shit out of a country that has the means to pay you to rebuild it all. Then have all these US companies get contracts for various work in Iraq in an attempt to try and kick start the economy that aint doing too well.

You have to be an idiot to think that all these benefits that the US will accrue from the war were not a factor in going to war with iraq. The only question is one of the degree of importance placed on them.

Isolation via Oil Dependence

Many analysts believe that the whole Iraq war is motivated by a desire by US elites to have an ‘oil veto’. If the US has direct control over Iraq in addition to its indirect control over Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and most of the other large oil reserves of the world, it will be able to deny developing countries like China, Russia, or India, or rival economies like Europe and Japan access to oil. By having control over the world’s oil reserves, it can therefore exercise an ‘oil veto’ over the ability of any country to develop its economy and compete with the US economy.

The weakness of the ‘oil veto’ is that the world needs to switch from being a global oil economy to a renewable energy economy for ecological reasons in any case. The United States is already far behind Europe and Japan in this regard. Europe and Japan have far more extensive public transportation infrastructure than car- and highway-filled North America. They also have developed alternative energy systems and conservation technologies far beyond what North America has. Finally, they have ratified the Kyoto Protocol, like most of the world, while the US has not. If the world switches over to renewable energy, the US will find itself with an oil veto that it is unable to exercise over anyone but itself.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=41&ItemID=3257

Trapper - The oil is only any good is they have someone to sell it too - Russia is already the world's third largest producer and second largest exporter of oil - True Saudia Arabia has about 30-40% of the worlds oil supply, so is the obvious and current key source.

What if the arab's could not sell their oil or pump their oil - its seem unlikely does'nt it? or does it?

Wait until the Jihad war starts from all this

mwuhahahahah

This is gonna be a good one!

Bring it on I say, this could be the case of one step backwards to make two steps forward!