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http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/27/1053801395899.html

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A leading Israeli politician has accused soldiers of "gross violations of human rights" in the occupied territories, and the army high command of indifference to the abuses.

The unprecedented accusations came from Michael Eitan, a former cabinet minister and leader of Ariel Sharon's Likud party, as he chaired hearings of the Knesset's law committee.

Although Israeli and foreign human rights groups have long documented evidence of systematic abuses by soldiers in the West Bank and Gaza - including murder, indiscriminate shooting, aiming at children, torture and use of human shields - such accusations have generally been dismissed by the authorities as driven by anti-Israeli motives.



In a new controversy on Monday, Israeli troops allegedly shot at a diplomatic convoy at a military roadblock in Gaza Strip, twice hitting the windscreen of one of the cars but causing no injuries, diplomatic sources said.

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using human shields??
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Yeah not sure what that means but perhaps they used Palestinian civilians to prevent militants shooting at them. Palestinian militants would likely shoot any Israeli civilians that they used as shields.
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And herein lies the question of what is terrorism? Palistinian Millitants attacking, violating and blowing up civilian targets in Israel, or Israeli Millitary attaking, violating and blowing up civilian targets in Gaza and the West Bank?

In my eyes there is none. In governmental eyes...
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i've read about the human shield thing before. apparently tank crews would force bystanders to walk in front of their vehicles when entering west bank/gaza towns to discourage mines and other attacks. although it's pretty shocking behaviour, it's understandable considering how vulnerable tanks can be in urban areas. shit, i would probably do the same if i was a frightened 19 year old conscript!
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if I was a 19 year old conscrpt and told to do that I would say NO, or maybe goto jail and not do my military service, I wouldnt force civilians to be shot at and used as fodder for land mines. They have a choice the civilians dont

(I hope I would do these things)
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Where the heck have you read that Jakeyboy70?
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The use of human shields by the Israeli army is pretty well-known trapper.

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Compelling Palestinians to participate in military operations and to act as "human shields"

The IDF systematically compelled Palestinians to take part in military operations. Several Palestinians interviewed by Amnesty International in relation to other subjects said that they had been compelled to take part in military operations and as "human shields". These practices violate international humanitarian law. Although the IDF announced through the State Attorney on 24 May 2002 that it would not use civilians in military operations, Amnesty International has continued to receive reports of cases in which Palestinians were used by members of the IDF during military operations, including as "human shields" (see, for example, the description of the case resulting in the killing of Fares al-Sa'adi above).

The large number of cases of Palestinians used as "human shields" in IDF military operations reveal a clear pattern. Typically the IDF would compel an adult male(6) in their military operation to search property in each area of the refugee camp. A Palestinian would be held by the IDF for a certain period, sometimes for days. These Palestinians were placed at serious risk, in some cases resulting in injury, as the following case illustrates.


lots more in this extensive report:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGMDE151432002

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ADLER: This use of Palestinians as human shields--how many times previously has the army done this?

GRADSTEIN: Well, it's been an army policy for quite a long time. And, in fact, Israel Television last night aired some footage of soldiers doing something very similar in the West Bank city of Jenin.


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ADLER: There have been some reports in the past that Palestinians were used for mine detection. Is that true?

GRADSTEIN: There have been reports that Palestinians have been used to see whether houses were booby-trapped. And the soldiers say that they do that in order to stop Palestinians from booby-trapping their houses because if they know that it's one of their neighbors that may be coming and knocking on the door they won't booby-trap their houses.


more here:

http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/transcripts/2002/aug/020816.gradstein.html

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"The soldiers hid behind our backs as they pushed us forward," said Mr Maswadeh. "Then they put their guns on our shoulders and began shooting. We felt our eardrums burning, but when we tried to put our hands over our ears, they beat our hands away. The noise was terrible because the gun was right next to my ear."

The soldiers fired dozens of plastic bullets, using the three Palestinian men as shields, before the crowd dispersed.

In May, as Israeli human rights groups sought a supreme court order barring soldiers from seeking protection behind human shields after their widespread use during the army's assaults on Jenin and other West Bank cities, the military admitted the policy was illegal and said it would stop.

But human rights groups will return to court on Sunday to argue that the army has only ended such abuses selectively, and is in breach of court orders.


More:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,867329,00.html

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The army calls this the neighbour procedure.

Israeli and Palestinian human rights groups say it is using civilians as human shields.

DAVID ZANGEN: I think there is nothing bad about it. We are just trying to prevent casualties.

MARK WILLACY: Dr. David Zangen is an army reservist who was the chief medical officer in Jenin during Operation Defensive Shield.


More:

http://www.abc.net.au/am/s736699.htm

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NEW YORK (CNN) -- Israeli troops used Palestinian civilians as human shields and forced them to participate in dangerous military operations during the Israel sweep through a refugee camp in Jenin last month, according to a report released Friday by Human Rights Watch.


Full story:

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/05/03/rights.watch.jenin/

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That is an impressive list of links jakeyboy, good research. Guardian, amnesty, cnn and abc - hard to argue with such a wide range of sources.
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Yea that is a quite good range of links jakeyboy. Although their evidence seems to consist almost entirely of allegations made by the Palestinian side and we have seen those kinds of allegations turn out false before. (Jenin)

At any rate the use of civilians as shields is not good thing, if they are doing it then I completely agree that they definitely should not be.


btw, Upon reading those articles it's hard to ignore things like this which kind of puts the issue back into perspective.
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Israel Defense Forces said the Palestinians who used the camp as a "center for terror" in effect "used the civilians as human shields when taking cover from IDF soldiers."

"We're talking about a terrorist camp in the center of a refugee camp," said Col. Miri Eisen, an Israeli military intelligence officer. "Maybe we should address the fact that in the center of the refugee camp, a hundred or so terrorists built a booby-trapped minefield and not about the other issues."


Would you consider a large terrorist camp and a booby-trapped minefield in the middle of a refugee camp as ‘using human sheilds’?
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morning trapper. s'funny, when i was putting that post together last night, i knew you would respond by pointing out the palestinian/terrorist tactics.

of course they are deplorable. but to excuse or justify israel's actions by comparing them to those of a bunch of desperate hate-fuelled terrorists is like saying it's okay to let south auckland cops beat and torture gang members in order to do their jobs. once you sink to their level, you are no better than they are and lose any claim to moral high ground you may once have had.

my position is this: both sides have done seriously shitty stuff to each other, and violence affects both societies in ways we can't imagine. but israel, as a rich, advanced, democratic state must hold themselves to a higher standard if they want to be viewed more sympathetically by their neighbours and on the world stage.

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also, not sure if you spotted it, but one of the reports mentioned that the israeli army's 'human shield' technique was caught on camera and played on israel tv. there can be no doubt that this 'war crime' has been committed.
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I didn't respond by pointing out the Palestinian/terrorist tactics, that was merely a side note.

I responded with this
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At any rate the use of civilians as shields is not good thing, if they are doing it then I completely agree that they definitely should not be.