Is techno still alive?

It seems to me techno is getting phased out. Or am I imagining it? Techno was, I believe, the start of the dance-scene in what it has become now. But is techno still in?

yes. it is good you mention that techno was the start of what it has now become. thats something that has caused it so much missunderstanding since. because techno was a very apt term for electronic music at that time it incedently became the term for almost any electronic music shortly after. a lot of other genres became popular since but still in the public eye was catagorized as techno. these days there are many terms for different electronica to slot into but the mainstream and wider audience still makes that old distinction. techno, what it is today, has come a long way since and probebly would benefit from a name change. efforts to adopt new terms though have never realy taken off. probebly though because it is such perfect word for it. i think that techno is as popular as ever, even more so since the birth of the internet. many new parts of the world have developed into techno producing heavy weights. sweden, italy, spain and well most of europe has been well established over the last 5+ years. the production output has deffenatly swelled the last two years. however, also many parts of the world just strugle to hold together a tight scene. nz has had so many top artists (beyer, mills, claude young, the advent, space djz) but the minority just strugle to make it happen. i cant think of any premoter here that has made a profit on international techno. and no one but the die hard will ever risk taking a loss. techno also being such a missunderstood genre it doesnt seem very welcomming for the newbie. techno heads are not snobs just very serious about there music. although in my few its seriousness has done more harm than good. it does however keep it fresh and ever changing. and with that it stays rewardingly out of arms reach from the mainstream.
techno is deffinatly still in. you just have to work a bit harder to stay up with it.

nice words dubya
I agree with lots of what you're saying
I've just come back to NZ after a year in Melbourne, the Oz tekno capital, and similar concerns are being voiced over there
There is no way that tekno is dead, it's just that those of us who are passionate about it need to get off our asses and start actively supporting local tekno events

cheers chunk.
its a bit concerning what you say about the melbourne scene. if they are getting those concerns then that affects us here a bit also. no good. nz has often picked up internationals on the cheap while they are touring there. its grim news for us if they are concidering investing less on techno imports. hopefully though a positive offshot could be more focus on local talent.

So is it?

yes f-smasher in my opinion it is still very in. a lot of techno heads i know are more and more into their own production and other related comp/technical interests. i also spend a lot of time with techno but its something i can ocupy myself quite happily with without any company. about 50% time im doing anything music its by myself and i think thats quite comon with tek heads. i guess its sometimes quite a antisocial genre but it is also part and parcel with techno.
a lot of techno kids are nerds. i dont mean anything offensive by that. its a good thing. nerds are cool..

Yeah I would agree with that, it's quite a geeky type of music, you have to be kind of a nerd to dig it. But nerds are cool so thats cool.

With little to pin a track down too. eg; chorus/ or eve a lyric fullstop, it can be harder to follow than say house(with every house DJ playing similar stuff[how many fuckin times do you have to hear Deep Swing 'In the Music'). But if it was easier to buy good stuff on CD it would make a difference. check the amount of dnb and house compilations available.(I dont listen to house but its unavoidable in AK, I do like DnB tho). If averagejoe walked into Fu and heard some nice shit, going out and buying it on Monday could be a bit harder.

there are quite a few cool techno mixed and unmixed cd's down at crucial records (high st).

I like Jeff Mills, Surgeon, TRESOR, Richie Hawtin sort of stuff. Can you recommend something.pref. a mix CD?

there are some unmixed compo's of jeff mills production and a mixed cd, i think its a bootleg, down there. some tresor compo's. mixed cd by richie hawtin. dont think theres a surgeon mix though.
chech out www.paxahau.com. theres a surgeon session there thats cool plus tonnes of others. theres a post for online mixes i posted a few weeks ago with quite a few wicked net links.
i can also recomend the john thomas, ben sims, christian smith and mistress barbara mixed cds that have been in at crucial. check out there colection there, they have quite a few.

Noted. Thanks I will do.

We are always interested in the state of the global techno scene here at crucial, while being far from a pure techno store, it is me and mile's main passion. As we see it, and hear about it from our techno moles, techno is in more demand than ever, and while we may feel the ebbs and flows of the global scene a little more acutely here in NZ, it's often what we don't see, is the new blood, love and life that is keeping things going...
As Ben Sims has said, now that all the big djs are playing his music, he'd much rather break new ground dong things a little differently - which is what techno is all about - and it's difficulty! Matt Crucial

With regard to techno mix CDs, this is an extremely difficult situation, since in most centers in the world, sales for mixCDs are high, we've found that that's not the case in Auckland - saying this, the new Umek, new Ben Sims, Charles Seigling (Technasia) and of course the Richie Hawitin DE9 are all great and pushing things in their own ways. Much of the problem is that a lot of NZers like to chill out to their music, most popular music is either commercial (pop/rock/d&b) or deep (deephouse/dub/downbeat) and most techno mix cds are prime time, suitable for Dussledorf at 11am on a Sat morning, but not here - and deep techno mixes are VERY hard to come across, the main reason these are generally german in origin, and they tend to focus on their market, without exporting much out... However the Swayzak mix on !K7 is a great example of a deep techno mixcd, and while the mixing sounds protooled up, it's worthwhile... anyone keen to get more info on this, or recommendations, we're always keen to help. Matt - Crucial

to joe and jane suburbia... anything with a dance beat is "techno" ... it will never die.

i agree that techno will never die, and for many reasons this is so. but techno does not simply equal dancing or vice versa. i think techno is more substancial then that. to me a part of what defines techno (and i stress 'a part' and not all) has nothing to do with music.
what do other ppl think? is it just about the music to you? or does it have greater meaning or substance for you?

for example. ive come accross many forms of visual design, media/film etc that have little or nothing to do with music (perhaps inspired by?) that i defenetly relate to techno. i see it as a style that fits into many media forms. like the original metropolis movie was to jeff mills. he saw those qualities in the film and was inspired to highlight that by adding his own musical score. the film with or without his soundtrack had a techno feel. he took the original idea and recreated something outstanding. that for me (and id like to know if other ppl feel the same) is more techno than bleeps and drums.

Techno will never die, but it's just not as prominent anymore. It has been overshadowed by other genres such as trance and house.

i dont think techno is the kind of music that appeals to a lot of people as it isnt user friendly to dance to, its more intelligent, rather than booty shakin.. its fuckin hard to move around to, you can either go nuts at full pace or dance to every second beat, but then you feel like your missing out on something.... its annoying when your brain wants to move around to your favorite trak.. but your body cant keep up.. you feel old
that is one side of the dice...

and www.. good point, i think the visual aspect of music needs to be explored, i was pleased to hear jeff talking about exploring the possibilities on a club night of his back in detroit.. about time!!
we have some great talent, it just only gets used at psy trance parties.. shame.. one day i will change this ;]

cool, i was more talking about just visuals rather than music plus visuals. but i get what you mean. visuals at a dance party i can take or leave, not all to fussed, as long as its not in my face or detracting from the sounds etc. although in saying that i was once impresed by some minimal footage of a plane on a runway that was played at an old superfly party, very cool and to me very techno.
you should check out the more funkier tribal side of techno if you feel the nead for more narural rhythm. its good techno for dancing too, not to pacey and not to hard. it is more crowd friendly techno plus its good for moving the party from house/tekhouse towards techno. the lads at fu do this some times on regular nights.

While techno hasnt really got a following here there is still a huge scene round the world. If promoters could get the true dons of techno such as stacy pullen and derrick may, richie hawtin over im sure people would turn out in force.

While it would be FANTASTIC to see those guys out here, wouldn't promoters be pretty reluctant to bring international tekno DJs out here if the local scene is so subdued.

Why not concentrate on getting regular local tekno nights going - build the scene and the gods will come LOL.

I totally agree with ya on funky/tribal tekno, WWW. Ben Cromack from Melbourne plays this flava of tekno and he just crams the dancefloor. Time to get him over the ditch me thinks

ya true chunky, i recon on building the local scene and what will follow will follow. getting the likes of stacey pullen (he's not much into tek these days) and derrick may out here doesnt realy have any follow on effect. derrick may, not long ago at fu, was a wicked night but barely half full. even the wizard himself (jeff mills) didnt fill fu bar last year, he is the shit. there are quite a few talented local techno acts who hardly get a show in auckland for many reasons. its good to see crucial slugging it out to get more regular nights, they have one coming up at galatos basement end of next month; clone, miles and mike g. cool.

www if you have any recommendations of artists for the funkier tribal side of techno.. id appreciate it ..
cheers

the first name that comes to mind is Samual L Session. he has released on heaps of lables but crucial always has a few of his on hand. check out some Steve Bicknel, Ben Sims, Leandro Gomez, Marco Lenzi. you should most of them in the crucial bins.
also check out some oliver ho, not tribal bit still very funky. ill post you some site links later.

mete-records.com
elpmedien.com
kanzleramt.com
technasia.com
torturedrecords.co.uk
relentlessmusic.com
fine-audio.de
kobayashi-records.com

thanks bro, ill let you know what i like ;]

Techno is still very much alive. Judging by global (and local) sales, it's not in any danger of dying out soon. I think that the media's flirtation with all things Detroit in the later part of the '90s led to unrealistic levels of support, but to be honest, it was mainly the more house end of the djs (Pullen, May...).
And locally, there's always been things to go to - early shit including Rebal Alliance, Underworld, Move, Straylight@Box, internationals, Superfly, Fu, and the sparse bamboo offerings
The main ingreedient is support.
You need to actually participate if you want a scene. I think most people would like to see the local techno community grow and prosper, but to be honest, it's already fairly large, it's just as Slug says - if everyone turned up, techno parties would be packed! We have to occasional full house, but if this happened all the time, it'd create a chain reaction and would gain the energy of the d&b scenes or even house...
So next time you're debating if you should come along to a techno gig, remember, everyone there will have one thing in common - love of quality music.
Also while it may appear that Miles and me are 'too cool for school' we're just in the same boat as most other techno-heads, fairly reserved... we are nice people, honest!

It's dead.

Admit it

piss off aims. you know shite all.

hey jamecs. the first address i wrote is spelled wrong. its should be meta-records.com, not mete.
it is oliver ho's lable. worth a look for sure.

My last word on the subject...
For a music style that outsells many other styles of dance music, continually gets record numbers at techno related festivals (DEMF,love parade,sonar), has some of the highest paid djs on the global circuit, and has millions of fans worldwide, I'd be rather surprised if it was...

nice 1 aims. very constructive. obviously you are a fool. that coment and the fact that you put your email address on your b-profile tells me so. dont post here again or ill spam the hell out of your email.

I don't think technos dead. Just unfashionable and gone back underground...

Though I wouldn't really know since I'm just a newbie to techno...

I think being underground is a good thing really, It's a calling for warehouse/outdoor/not-in-clubs parties, which, frankly is far more compelling to me...

And live techno... with the 'repetitive flowing groove' of techno it's pretty suited to playing live. The SJ (Sequencer Jockey) could *really* play to the room, except not from track to track, but from beat to beat...

what do you cats think?

how fuckin cool are "not-in-clubs" parties?! There what blows my bubble too...

Live tech is mean. What other kinda music allows as much self interpretation by the listner/dancer as techno?

yes.

i alwaysu thought techno was the generic term for any kind of electronic music, altho even mainstream ppl would have a hard time calling funky house, techno...but err im sure they'd call hard trance or breaks techno for sure

looking at it from a mainstream point of view anyway hehehe

yep. that has always been the general mainstream understanding. it was in its early days quite so. techno was more the name given to the electronic movement (like punk, its a mind set, a way of being, not a music) and has since become more specific to a type/style of elecronica. it doesnt take much to understand the difference, it seems to me it is usualy the ppl who dont understand, or dont make the effort to understand, that do the most damage with their flipent comments about the genre.

BRING BACK JEFF MILLS!!!

bah. I don't the way to rebuild techno is to just bring in internationals.

I think internationals kinda depend on a style of music being fashionable, rather than people going because they are activey seeking out new styles of music, but rather that thier friends are into it.

if you want to "rebuild"* techno then you should start at the ground level, and just have partys in your flats (just invite the whole techno forum )

*I don't think music being fashionable is a good thing really, but parties are cool any way.

yeah i agree with the grass roots aproach. internationals are totally wicked but dont so much influence the scene, people are less inclind to explore their musical taste/potenial at more expensive type partys and are more likely to go along with frinds who assure them that the shit will be tasty, and there for they will most likely allready have heard some techno. i think that a newcommer to techno would nead a bit of exposure to the music befor they fully apriciated what it had to offer (and not to say that it doesnt have instant appeal to some). i dragged one such person along to claude young way back. he had a great time but to him it was just another party. they coul'nd put into context what he (claude) was about and just how rare and special the moment was.
in this respect also it is hard to imagin techno as a fashionable genre. it may gain poularity here and there but it could'nt realy rival d&b or house in that sence. quite a few big house djs bang out a bit of techno late in their sets or they dabble in a bit of tribal tek (i think they call it tribal house?). and offcourse there is that tekhouse thing going on that helps to bridge a few gaps. all of this gets a bit of the idea accross but still wont realy touch on where techno is at that time. it is constanly developing, that and the obscurities that some producers/labels adopt makes the consumer realy work hard to try and keep up with the cutting edge. only the truely interested will keep up the maintenence that techno demands.
i think that smaller partys with local talent (& our local talent does kick arse!) is far beter for such an isolated scene. by word of mouth it does slowly expand. getting everyone out at the same time though is tricky and does point out the danger in over expossing the genre. once a month is more than enough for me. some event just neads to stay around long enough for it to catch on and gel into something more secure. the stop and start stuttering pattern that techno events have had in auckland have just snowballed the problem, leaving the fans frustrated and looking elsewhere for kicks and leaving the techno virgin with a sence of hesitation because they dont fully understand its apparent failer. for a genre which is inately unaccessable to the masses because of the understanding it demands, this unfortunate local history just compounds this downside.
progress does take effort...
techno doesnt have celebrities, movies and tv to premote it. it coul'nt be imittated as easily in such media and therefor will never be as fashionable. there are marketting elements that seek out such underground type trends but they would hit far of the mark like cher and madona did imitatting the rave trend. its as if techno as an entity stives to heep itself underground, you cant imitate it unless you are into it and you cant get into it unless you understand it..
its only chance is if like minded pockets of people band and work together. then offcourse the grouping of people inevitably leads to power struggles and as in auckland (maybe everywhere?) a bunch of small groups within a larger groups.
yeah the downsides can be endless. it doesnt mean it always will be so. i think the essential ingredient is Understanding (of social dynamics, marketing and the music)

quite a spiel from me today, hope i didnt put anyone to sleep...

...i am a spelling retard!

well said sander!

yes. when you break it down like that, at the end you are selling a product. marketing that product is as important as the quility of the product, and, sadly, sometimes more so. if you have a client base allready into the product than all you have to do is keep that group informed and treat them now and again with perks (like loyal customer discounts etc). a focus on attracting new customers takes more efort and planning. you have to make them want the product, make them feel as if they nead it or are missing out in some way without it. generaly people want in some way what they dont have. a big persentage of the consumer base are looking for something, only a smaller percentage know what they want. just got to tap into and take advantage of that habit.
marketing is deffenatly one of the key elements here. if you dont use it then other people will just tempt the consumer into something else.

One other element that I don't think has been fully brought out into the open is the fact that for such a huge style (possibly the biggest in contemport dance/electronica) everyone is into something slightly different. We don't have the capacity in the techno community to cater for everyone's wishes, and as such we get people coming halfheartedly along to gigs to check their portion of the techno pie, and some people end up not as satisfied as they would be....
hardminimal, techhouse, microtech, detroit, tribaltech = all are strong genres in modern techno, we have pockets who like each style, but often not liking others. We also get people who appreciate all of them. But more understanding about the local djs is perhaps needed. More mixcds circulating, or bios or something. Someone wanted to know about minimal microtech the other day, and I suggested Han (Sneakypuss) who I think it the best for that genre in NZ, however the perception was that he played hard, even tho he does, as like most djs here, he's versitile...
Any thoughts?

yeah there are a lot of niche tastes out there. variety is a good idea and most internationals do tour around the techno sub-genres. it works for them allthough its offcourse easier for them to hold the crowds attention, given that ppl have invested mo $$ into those gigs. perhaps a bit of variety within one set rather than a variety of dj's. play to the crowd a bit more, keep them guessing by going back and forth.?. break down the hard into soft and vice versa etc. not many locals seem to do that and that may cteate something a bit different. some more mix cds for the hardsoul locals is a good idea. i think maybe be more stricker on comps and hand out free cds every so often. can also build up the crucial data base and use it to send things like mini web mags feturing local talent, bio's and charts. and upcomming events, reviews and general world techno news. its not to much work if you break them down into smaller installment. brief but informative delivered direct to your consumer....

versitility is deffenetly a usefull skill. it seems to be something that the very popular techno djs do often. derick may and jeff mills are two perfect examples. anyone remember jeff's atempt at sparking the crowd way back at the staircase? he played all sorts of differnt shit but still coul'nt reach the audience, every time he took it in another direction he would watch the crowd for a while then kinda shake his head a bit. in this case the party never gelled. at fu the last time he was here it also took a while for him to settle into something that worked for most of the crowd. it did eventualy. it just highlights to me a small portion of what seperates those djs to your every day dj. they are professional entertainers that understand the nead to please the majority, to fullfill their contract, rather than please them selves with what they like personaly. there can be some sort of balance in our case also. maybe we should incourage feed back in some way, mail out some sort of survey to your database. who knows what will happen if you make the punter feel as if they have some kink of input (rather than just the financial one). it hasnt realy been done here at all. maybe thats a way of creating more of a techno comunity.

how about this...
if people could be totally honest maybe we wouldnt nead to go out so much at nite. if you could go up to someone on the street that you find attractive and tell them just that. we would save all the money we spend on booze and drugs in order to give us the courage to talk to a stranger. hanging around sifting the dregs of the night is kind off desprate realy. most of the hospitality industry survives purely because most of us just want to fuck..

microtech = minimal techhouse?
stripped down euro house + german techno minimalism.
are the germans taking back their past title as the masters of minimal? is it a repackage or a fusion of styles? lets find out next week.

germans have always been the masters of minimalism...

All our local djs have the skills to move the vibe for sure... in fact, they have to to be playing in NZ, since it's a tough crowd to work as a local. Think people get a little confused when the set times are all 1-2hrs and a small snapshot compared to most internationals’ longer sets, and doesn't give much room to move the groove around.
Saying that, part of the problem is that local djs have a very difficult time with the short attention spans of people, as mentioned, people invest a lot more into an international event than a local (for techno anyway)… you can't afford to chop and change at every fluctuation of the floor as generally it's just normal bar dynamixs and if you dropped paul johnsons "Down down down" every time the floor looked shaky, then you'd be left spinning house!!!
I do agree that variety is a great thing. Tho the school of modern techno often doesn't use the same dj dynamics as more commercial music. First time Hawtin played, he dropped Trans Europe Express at the end of his set, and only then did people realise that the night was coming to a close, after the hypnotic flow of the evening it wouldn't have been good for the night to interrupt his flow by changing the dynamics...
Maybe we should be supporting our locals with more vigor, like in other parts of the country, or overseas. Even in Welly you get the local crowds cheering and clapping when you do your job well, local or international it’s all good when it’s on point. Aucklanders are pretty damn self conscious!

Well said. Especially the last sentence.

we may be here in auckland but were not just
'aucklanders'.. were all human beings with a huge
capacity to learn and evolve.. large or small in number,
there are people here who want to see live techno and
there is the local talent (and obviously the will) to make it
happen. i think the key is not to question whether techno
is alive but to trust from your own experience that it is and
accept that it's a small and eclectic movement. gigs
designed with this in mind ie; super small (so the venue
doesn't feel half empty), accepting that initially it will be
unprofitable, playing safe with the line-up to avoid
disappointment, good promotion and sticking to the
scheduled night (so people know when and where).. will
at least be keeping it alive, and who knows, maybe even
taking it further..

yeah matt. the self contious point is right on the button. its a comon problem with mixed groups of ppl. some ppl are not affected by it and it turn help lose up others, ppl fead of that sort of energy, it can motivate. i know, as i am often quite in the crowd - im self contious also. doesnt mean im borred etc, i can be totally peaking inside it is still sometime difficult to express that openly. there is a bit of a silly outdated stigma of cheesiness attached with being to openly expressive sometimes. its that whole serious about the music kind of thing. i believe generaly that ppl want to be openly expressive but are held back because of how they think they will be percieved. its kinda funny realy. there are the ones how are up and load who get a bit paranoid about what ppl think and then there are the quite ones who often wish they could be up and load but cant let them selves go.
the mind is a double edged blade.
we just have to remember that we are there to have fun. so why not show it?

exactly... who fuckin cares what people think, as long as you dont deserve unwelcome attention for your 'fresh moves' then just get dowwnnn
i prefer people anyday who just have a f.dance rather than doin the calibre shuffle peeking over their shoulders and worrying about nothing
blah blah im sure its been said a million times b4 but anyway back to the topic
how to dance to techno at 150 bpm

at 150 bpm they do it by shuffling their feet like the moon walk but without the walk and with the fists pumping the sky. crazy gabba kids!

and the heads nodding at 75 bpm..

I don't know if it would go down well if techno was played at 150bpm in nz (especially ak).
God, most of the time it's in the low -mid 130s, which is barely faster than most house nights.

try it !

has been done. doesnt' work. can peak it over 140 for a while, but unless everyone's tanked up, it just turns to 3 people going bonkers, and the rest standing around waiting for that Aril Brihka tune....

140bpm + is for the gabba kids and the coke heads.

whats those number all about???? sorry i dun spin..

beats per minute.

boys per metre

yeh I guess 150+ is what my piano teacher would call "prestissimo (loco)"

tempo??

House is around 120-130 bpm.
Techno 130-late 140s (not much over 150 these days)
D&B 160-170+?

nothing wrong with loco.

yes bpm = beats per minute. tempo.

hehe now i see thanks guys

Crucial - so r ya going to tell us when is the next HardSoul????

In my recent promotion work with prog based events I am hearing more and more techno material being pulled in as samples or influences.
Its really a huge influence on the current sound.
Derrick May to see where Techno is headed.

I have no idea why this triple post happened
????
To complete waht I was saying.
A lot of the original "techno" producers have moved into areas that are not that specifically classed,
and in the marketplace the T word can be a bit of a stone around someone like Derrick Mays neck, who's set is eclectic and varied.

derick May was great last time he was here and i hardly expected it to be so back then. i thought he may be more house but he whipped up a techno storm. wicked! a great skill to be so versitile and talented on the decks. house or techno, id still check him out, there is something for almost everyone in one of his sets.
although he is hardly on the cutting edge and has little, if nothing, to do with where techno is heading. he only plays it and as far as im aware hasnt released techno for a long time. please correct me if im wrong, i'd love to hear any if he has.

actualy while im at it. i agree that derick is totaly wicked. but to state that "derick may to see where techno is headed" is quite out of order.
i know your just trying to hype up your own gig mike but your crossing the line into bullshit territory and techno has had enough damage done to it via this type of missleading premoting. its a missunderstood genre at the best of times and this will just compound it in the long run.
Europe is stearing the techno boat at the moment, in my opinion, and i dont see derrick may on the helm at all. hes not even a cabin boy!
dont get me wrong though mike. he is totaly a great dj to bring out here and i cant see the gig fail at all. it will be a cool night and i am looking forward to it. nice one, cheers.

Actually, I'd have to disagree - Derrick May's label is still cutting edge, and as far as it goes, being in control of one of the most established and cutting edge techno labels, playing the globe preaching techno to the masses (with some house thrown in) etc. is a big influence on where techno is headed. As far as Europe stearing the boat, a good call - tho if you look harder, it's places like South America, Northern America, and the fringes of Europe that are all cutting at teh moment.

is he actualy releasing much on his label? playing and preaching techno to the masses i know he does. guess it comes down to perspective. your point more reflects how his techno influences the consumer and im more comming from the ifluencing production direction. i see your point though. both make up what is cutting edge. its always those little things that matter so much eh?
tell me a bit about the south amirican conection. ive heard mention of portigal on my web travels but little else.
is there any way we can get new releases here faster? ive ordered online and that works but you have to order shit loads to cut a good deal.

maybe we can start a record pool, order together and cut delivery costs and tax. faster, cheaper and no first dib's stress.

If you guys order stuff though us in time (like you have to with web stores) it will come in, cheap and fast. The main problem is that most people (not naming names) order later than the release date, and most techno is presale basis, giving us a problem with getting represses (which almost never happen anymore). So the best thing is to order asap. Or ask to join the preorder list:
crucial@crucial.co.nz

so what about this sth amirican stuff?
what are some names?

Renato Cohen

Techno schmekno.
As far as I'm concerned techno is a mixing style.
Its a music that is created at the mix.
Afro american influenced modernist ... but hey..
wtf do I know?

WWW There is a difference I would like to add, between hyping a gig, and doing something because its worthwhile. I put "the gig" in question in the latter box, and if you were paying the bills you'd know why.

Every country you go to, techno is something different. You soon realise that TECHNO is a word with a history but an ill defined contemporary meaning.
There is a community of artists that have participated in creating that history but whether that means they are techno artists? No.

i would have to agree with who ever's comment was towards the begining we need to get off our asses and get it recognized but keep it how it was (basically im using this as an example: we should make techno become what is was again you know as like those group of kids at the lunch table who are different from every one else but keep seeming like "we " are those kids and make techno recognized by the ones who are willing to follow the path
-Lunar