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Anybody seen this yet? I heard it completly overplays/exaggerates Nelson Mandelas role with the great Springbok side of 1995. AND. There is NO mentionin the movie whatsoever about how the All Blacks were poisoned before the final. Seems weird that part would be left out Confused

Who do you think would have been good to play Suzy the waitress? Halle Berry? Daryl Hannah?


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It's a movie so there's always a lot of poetic license but yeah it's sad that much of the world that don't really follow rugby will think that the movie is exactly how it went down. I imagien the All Balcks will be portrayed as ruthless seemingly unstoppable bruiser farm boys with about 5 braincells between them and a love of sheep.
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so it other words the all blacks will be portrayed accurately?!?

Get over it maestro... you guys lost.. sack up and deal with it...
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Kinda takes the whole heroic shine off things if they try and emulate the actual footage where the All Blacks run out onto the field looking like they're all about to puke.
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lol poisoned ... you guys still hold onto that. Heh ...

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lol @ you sore losers Very Happy

did they *play* that game like a bunch of food-poisoned individuals? i still have never seen any footage that adds credence to this ridiculous conspiracy theory you guys hold so dear.

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Well, in terms of reality I think it's something that should be remembered. Think what you want, but all bias aside it was a pretty fucken suspicious happening. Poisoned or not, it should take a lot of the shine off for any proud fan.

But with regards to the movie - meh, doesn't worry me at all. That would make the movie seem pretty pointless if they built the ABs up to be some kind of immovable wall, then weakened them like that right at the death. Essentially they're the villain team in a sports epic... They need to appear at their full peak for the sake of the story. It's not a doco.

It was funny to see how incredibly inaccurate and unknowledgeable Eastwood was about the whole deal though. Saw an interview with him on Crowd Goes Wild, and he appeared to know next to nothing about the simplest of facts.

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Well given that the NZ commentary team told us BEFORE the match that the team had been struck down with a bad case of food poisoning I think it's pretty clear that it did happen. Plus you can see it in there faces as they're running out, they looked awful. Unless of course we invented the whole story pre-match because we thought we were going to lose despite being massive favourites...
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gummi_bear said:

did they *play* that game like a bunch of food-poisoned individuals? i still have never seen any footage that adds credence to this ridiculous conspiracy theory you guys hold so dear.


Errrr - Jeff Wilson and others vomiting over the sideline?

It's a well-known fact that the majority of the ABs side were suffering from food-poisoning in that game. Whether it was deliberate/foul-play is obviously another story..
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Its a well known fact that only the KIWIS think they were poisoned. Where is the footage?

I think Jono said it already but they knew SA would be to good for them on the day so to not look like a bucnh of idiots getting beaten by the new kids on the block they fabricated this whole "food poisoning" story ...

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Yes NZ "knew" they would be beaten. Despite being the form side of the tournament. By like....a lot. if you saffas are going to rebute the theory then at least use some logic. Seems pretty far fetched to me we would just make up a story to explain the loss of a test match. No such nonsense in 1991 I note

the crucial part of the story was how "Suzy" dissapeared after the fact. Inquiries to find her turned out "No Suzy ever worked here". Remarkable really. At least if she stuck around and simply denied it... the story wouldnt have no much credibility. Bit nope.....*poof* gone in a puff of smoke
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One thing to deny that there was malicious intent in regard to the food poisoning.. but to deny that there was controversy altogether? Fucken retarded. Saffas = worse than Cantabrians when it comes to blatant one-eyedness.
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*Re-Action* said:
Where is the footage?


Lulz - I know your opinions are usually biased and without grounds, but this is ultra funny. Have you watched ANY footage from that final? People vomiting left, right and centre bro.

Laughing

gc.
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I seriously wonder if NZ and SA got different live feeds of the final Confused

I do not recall seeing *any* vomiting on the sideline when I watched it live. And even the other day when TV3 did a bit on this film, and mentioned the food poisoning, all they showed was Walter Little walking up the tunnel after the game sticking his hand in the camera, and Jeff Wilson coughing/spitting sitting on the bench.

I've just had a look and can't find any footage of spewing on youtube...

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In fact, does anybody know where one could find a copy of this game?

Would be pretty keen on watching it again anyways Very Happy
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gummi_bear said:
I seriously wonder if NZ and SA got different live feeds of the final Confused

I do not recall seeing *any* vomiting on the sideline when I watched it live. And even the other day when TV3 did a bit on this film, and mentioned the food poisoning, all they showed was Walter Little walking up the tunnel after the game sticking his hand in the camera, and Jeff Wilson coughing/spitting sitting on the bench.

I've just had a look and can't find any footage of spewing on youtube...

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Well a total recall of a 14 year old game would be pretty impressive. Razz

The footage of Jeff Wilson vomiting on the sidelines is pretty famous though and has been played many times on the news etc. But I know what you fullas are up to. Laughing

All so called facts and suspicions aside, you can't tell me that Louis Luyt isn't the kind of guy who wouldn't see the benefit of machiavellian practices to get what he wants for his team. Razz

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You know where famous footage lives, Dalai?

YOUTUBE, THAT'S WHERE! Or is youtube.com part of this massive worldwide conspiracy as well?

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Supamaorifulla said:
*Re-Action* said:
Where is the footage?


Lulz - I know your opinions are usually biased and without grounds, but this is ultra funny. Have you watched ANY footage from that final? People vomiting left, right and centre bro.

Laughing

gc.


And again, where is all this footage? Something like this would have clips on YOUTUBE all over the place.

You guys are fucken dreaming and you don't even realise it.

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You guys really must think ABs are superhuman if they can be so competitive over 100 minutes at high altitude when the entire team is struck down with food poisoning! ^_^
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I've found there to be many things missing from youtube when I go searching for it. Like for example. Where's Greatbatch's legendary catch?

Where's a video of Witt's magnificent try to seal the qualifying final against the Storm in '08?

Your theory is FLAWED! Razz


TBH what I remember about that game was South Africa's wall of defence and the All Blacks inability to break through once Operation Give-The-Ball-To-Jonah didn't work.

The food poisoning just adds to the legend. I mean, South Africa wasn't long out of apartheid right? So it would be not a far stretch to assume that most of the bureaucracy of the country and their rugby football union would be made up of ex-apartheid officials right? And it wasn't like during apartheid that the South African officials weren't afraid to cover up the odd atrocity or consipracy or two... right?

It's not like it would take Woodward & Bernstein to come up with a decent sensationalist media angle here. Razz
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dalai said:
I've found there to be many things missing from youtube when I go searching for it. Like for example. Where's Greatbatch's legendary catch?

Where's a video of Witt's magnificent try to seal the qualifying final against the Storm in '08?

Your theory is FLAWED! Razz


Yeah, there's loads of classic, famous sporting moments missing from Youtube.

Luckily Yahoo!Xtra is here to save the day Laughing

http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/rugby/news/article/-/4219086/meads-dodgy-milk-wrecked-1995-world-cup-hopes
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Where on that page do I click to see the footage of ABs spewing their guts out on the sideline Confused
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dalai said:

most of the bureaucracy of the country and their rugby football union would be made up of ex-apartheid officials right? And it wasn't like during apartheid that the South African officials weren't afraid to cover up the odd atrocity or consipracy or two... right?P


yep, cause it's a well known fact that there was a massive overlap in the personnel for the Bureau of State Security and Rugby Union.... Froggy
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neil_armstrong said:
dalai said:

most of the bureaucracy of the country and their rugby football union would be made up of ex-apartheid officials right? And it wasn't like during apartheid that the South African officials weren't afraid to cover up the odd atrocity or consipracy or two... right?P


yep, cause it's a well known fact that there was a massive overlap in the personnel for the Bureau of State Security and Rugby Union.... Froggy



I reckon Louis Luyt would make a good head of the Bureau of State Security. Razz
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Did you just happen to come across his name in some article when trying to find some proof of the food poisoning?

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Did you just happen to come across his name in some article when trying to find some proof of the food poisoning?

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Yeah that's totally it. I'd never heard of him before today. I mean who the fuck is he? He was never an outspoken cunt with his face in the media all the time was he?

Maybe I'm thinking of someone else...

:rolleyes:

I know something about something sport related. More news at eleven...
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Seriously, even a link to a picture of somebody vomiting in that game would suffice!

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wow Im glad I made this thread. I had no idea you saffas genuinely didnt realise what a complete farce your 1995 WC victory was

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what's farcical is the exaggeration of illness in this thread Razz

i'm pretty agnostic about the extent of the food poisoning which happened a couple of days before the game, but I'm very skeptical about the claims of "[p]eople vomiting left, right and centre" during that game...

Razz

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gummi_bear said:
what's farcical is the exaggeration of illness in this thread!

i'm pretty agnostic about the extent of the food poisoning which happened a couple of days before the game, but I'm very skeptical about the claims of "[p]eople vomiting left, right and centre" during that game...

Razz

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urgh, quoted instead of edited... :/
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Sure, it is pretty well reported that the worst of the sickness actually hit 48hrs before the game. By the time gameday rolled around there were 'apparently' only 5 or so guys that really should not have played. Doesn't mean the rest of them were up to full fitness etc. As discussed the images that everyone talks about are the Wilson and Little ones - and unfortunately I can't find those anywhere.

What's also farcical is you Saffa's unwillingness to accept that it was even an issue. Like it's something we made up or are proud of. It's fucking awful and I wish the whole thing had never happened so at least if/when we lost there would be nothing like this to discuss. But to imply that 20 odd players and management were simply lying or exaggerating the truth even BEFORE the game started, is utterly stupid.

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All Black fans were kept in the dark about the food poisoning which had ripped through the team and the first they saw or heard about it was in the final when images were broadcast of star wing Jeff Wilson buckled over on the sideline vomiting after being replaced.


http://www.worldcupweb.com/rugby/news/viewarticle.asp?id=13685

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But, unfortunately, one man’s destiny is another one’s sleep-deprived weekend, and the All Blacks unceremoniously limped into second place behind the rainbow nation, South Africa, in a display of torrid rugby best remembered for Jeff Wilson vomiting on the sideline as Joel Stransky kicked that drop goal.


http://www.salient.org.nz/columns/catch-22

So it definitely happened... The evidence is insurmountable, just not in video form Razz
Here's a more telling article with quotes by Meads though:

http://www.scrum.com/scrum/rugby/story/76963.html

Interesting anyway Smile
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Any country that would hide riflemen in a crate on the back of a truck, drive around a township until the locals threw rocks, then have the riflemen stand up and shoot the 'rioters', wouldn't hesitate to poison the ABs.
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There are a number of torrents available of the full game. Had I time before the Christmas break I would go through and pull out the clip of Vomitron Wilson, but I don't...perhaps someone else could do so.

To think…it was this game that started to give the rep to the ABs as chokers. How many world cups would we have by now were it not for this?

I’m not sure I buy into the deliberate poisoning conspiracy. I wouldn’t completely put it past some unsavoury elements in the legacy of former apartheid South Africa, but it seems unlikely.

You know what would be good for a movie…remake that classic from the early 90s, Old Scores but use this game as the plot?!
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The thing is....if what Im reading about this film is true and its some epic-esk tale about how SA and tthe boks over came adversity and an evil entity in the team in black while glorifying Mandelas role etc. In that case common filmmaking sense dicatates that the AB's WILL have been potrayed very poorly/as asshats. Which for a start is an insult to a great sporting brand. But also its a complete joke that something that could well have been extremely underhand and unsavoury sporting moment has been flipped over and the villians become the heros and vice versa. Pretty disgusting really. maybe Tew will look to sue the dirty yapies Razz

Kind of like a sports version of that Eastwood master peice UNFORGIVEN

Theres the plot courtesy of Wiki

Plot
After decades in a Robben Island prison, Nelson Mandela (Morgan Freeman) is released in 1990 and works immediately to bring about the end of apartheid and the initiation of full democratic elections where the black majority population can vote. Mandela wins the race for President of South Africa and takes office in 1994. His immediate challenge is "balancing black aspirations with white fears." The country's still-present racial tensions are shown, in part, through Mandela's security team, which is comprised of both new black and old white officials, with the groups immediately hostile to one another despite sharing the same job and goal.


While Mandela attempts to tackle the country's largest problems - including crime and unemployment, he attends a game of the Springboks, the country's rugby union team. Blacks in the stadium cheer against their home squad, as the Springboks (their history, players and even their colors) represent prejudice and apartheid in their mind. Knowing that South Africa is set to host the 1995 Rugby World Cup in one year's time, Mandela meets with Springboks captain Francois Pienaar (Matt Damon). Though Mandela never verbalizes his true meaning during their meeting, Francois understands the message below the surface: If the Springboks can gain the support of black South Africans and succeed in the upcoming World Cup, the country will be unified and inspired.


Francois and his teammates begin to train, but the players (all but one are white) voice disapproval that they are to be envoys to the poor and public - fearing exhaustion from overwork. Mandela, too, hears disapproval from friends and family. As the tournament approaches, Mandela collapses from exhaustion and the Springboks' only black player is sidelined with a hamstring injury.

The World Cup begins, and the Springboks' sole black player, Chester Williams, is healthy once again. The Springboks, possessing a sub-par record, are not expected to go very far and in fact are estimated to lose in the quarterfinals; however, they surpass all expectations and make the finals, only to face a seemingly invincible team from New Zealand. Francois motivates his team to overcome their doubts and push their bodies to the limits. After ending in a tie, the game is forced into extra time, where the Springboks win on a long drop kick and a score of 15-12. Mandela and Francois meet on the field together to celebrate the improbable victory amidst a crowd of 62,000 fans - both black and white
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Having watched the movie, it concentrates almost fully on the relationship between Mandela and the Boks, and Pienaars leadership. The All Blacks play a fairly minor role, and the main emphasis of the Boks tactics in the final is on how they realised they needed to shut down Jonah.

Which they did, and was a solid plan which worked. Just because England didn't have anyone who could stand up to him, doesn't mean SA didn't.
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I saw the trailer for this the other night at the movies. I can't for the life of me see why they would bother to release this movie here. Why would they think New Zealanders would want to go to a movie about a bunch of poisoning, cheating Saffas?
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This thread is a perfefct example of why NZ rugby supporters are regarded as a bunch of sore loser softcocks! ^_^
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gummi_bear said:
This thread is a perfefct example of why NZ rugby supporters are regarded as a bunch of sore loser softcocks! ^_^



Reckon. (Except for my insightful contribution Razz )


I mean Nelson Mandela, what a dick eh? :rolleyes:
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So watched this last night ... what a heap of shit.

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gummi_bear said:
This thread is a perfefct example of why NZ rugby supporters are regarded as a bunch of sore loser softcocks! ^_^


And why Saffers are smarmy cunts!

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dalai said:
gummi_bear said:
This thread is a perfefct example of why NZ rugby supporters are regarded as a bunch of sore loser softcocks! ^_^



Reckon. (Except for my insightful contribution Razz )


I mean Nelson Mandela, what a dick eh? :rolleyes:


I see that League inferiority complex is showing through again...
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grinder said:
dalai said:
gummi_bear said:
This thread is a perfefct example of why NZ rugby supporters are regarded as a bunch of sore loser softcocks! ^_^



Reckon. (Except for my insightful contribution Razz )


I mean Nelson Mandela, what a dick eh? :rolleyes:


I see that League inferiority complex is showing through again...



I don't know what you're talking about...


Psssst. My complex is bigger than yours. Razz
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I saw it towards the end of last year. Missed the first 10 mins but from what i saw it was more 'political' than 'sporting'. and no the food poisening incident isnt addressed and to be honest the way they portray the AB's is neither here nor there.

Opens this week so go see for yourself.

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sif Pluto....NEVER

Spiro Zavos sheds new light on the matter in his new book. Apparetly the AB's were poisoned but not by the SARU, its was overseas bookmakers ......who then made a killing. Remember SA werent favoured in this tournament and the AB's had just monsterd England.

At least two attempts were made, 1stly and unsucessfully on the teams water bottles then they got them at lunch

All backed up by......drumroll....nelson mandelas body guard! ....so it must be true!


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