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Overseas being NZ in my case.

If national gets in, i'm staying in australia
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National will bankrupt the country and close all the banks and take everyone's money.

Liz Shaw said so.
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OMG I have been neglecting my daily Liz trainwreck! Shocked
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I see the Greens are up on K'rd. Wonder if they are giving out those pizzas :p
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argh the results website is bung :/
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neil_armstrong said:
Overseas being NZ in my case.

If national gets in, i'm staying in australia


oh please please let National win Razz
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Night Rider said:
neil_armstrong said:
Overseas being NZ in my case.

If national gets in, i'm staying in australia


oh please please let National win Razz


Yeah NZ could do with losing more phd students.
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clearly
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Night Rider said:
neil_armstrong said:
Overseas being NZ in my case.

If national gets in, i'm staying in australia


oh please please let National win Razz




So you are actually saying that only idiots wish for a National victory?
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non sequitur
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So you are actually saying that only idiots wish for a National victory?


Guess I can be added to the idiot pile as well then!

I don't understand the biggie obsession with labour. I have always supported them previously however this election I have been sorely disappointed with not only their lack of strong policies but their obsession with dirty campaigning. They seem to think they need to belittle National in order to get in, they should have spent more time on their strengths rather than wasting it on Nationals apparent weaknesses.
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I agree that Labour should have focused more on themselves. National did enough to make themselves look bad without Labours help.
Key is a proven businessman but he isnt a proven politician, so why risk having him lead the country? I believe Labour give have done better during their time, but I feel we would be far worse off had National been in power over that same period.
People keep saying we need a change, but a change doesnt always mean a change for the better.
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I think it has a lot less to do with Labour actually using dirty tactics and more the mainstream media reporting them as using dirty tactics

I have started reading pundit.co.nz and publicaddress.net because I can't stand the crap they are trying to feed people over at the Herald, they announced a National victory last Friday which was just disgraceful

Laughing Neutral
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Ravingmad said:
People keep saying we need a change, but a change doesnt always mean a change for the better.


This is what more people need to realise. Smile
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I'm already re-assessing who I hang out with based on the responses I've had over the election campaign, I certainly wonder why I've ended up knowing a bunch of half-wit tories.
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snowflake said:
they announced a National victory last Friday which was just disgraceful Neutral


What? Fark that's dodgy.

I think everyone should boycott that pile of shit.
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I think it has a lot less to do with Labour actually using dirty tactics and more the mainstream media reporting them as using dirty tactics


Even Labours closing address yesterday focused on nothing but National is evil with the occasional policy in between accusations.

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Labour give have done better during their time, but I feel we would be far worse off had National been in power over that same period.


I agree with you that Labour has been good up until recently. My personal feeling is that New Zealand has reached a point where it needs growth and I just don't have any faith in Labour to manage that growth effectively.
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Nationals policies this year were 'hey what's labour doing ? oh cool lets do something extremely similar to that'
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People keep saying we need a change, but a change doesnt always mean a change for the better.


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This is what more people need to realise.


So I am assuming that you voted for McCain as opposed to Obama as well?

Change isn't always good and yes National could screw it up but they seem to have a clearer vision of where they want New Zealand to be than Labour has shown.

You just have to look at the policies to establish that. If there wasn't a recession would Labour even have a campaign? The whole thing is based on what is a short term problem (in the long run) and they seem to have nothing beyond it.
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canadian.scotty said:
they seem to have a clearer vision of where they want New Zealand to be than Labour has shown.



Their policies haven't backed this up despite their intended direction. They have covered some elements but there are some big holes.
Its how they intend to achieve this that isnt so clear.
I could shout my dreams from the rooftops but its unlikely to make them a reality.
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canadian.scotty said:
they seem to have a clearer vision of where they want New Zealand to be than Labour has shown.


huh?

they haven't released any details of their plans
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fish_boy said:
I'm already re-assessing who I hang out with based on the responses I've had over the election campaign, I certainly wonder why I've ended up knowing a bunch of half-wit tories.


likewise

I can't stand arrogant conceited lefties
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Rips said:
snowflake said:
they announced a National victory last Friday which was just disgraceful Neutral


What? Fark that's dodgy.

I think everyone should boycott that pile of shit.


what? I didn't read it and I could hardly be accused of not reading the herald now could I?
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People who are saying 'its time for change' are merely saying they are not entirely happy with the current climate NZ finds itself in, whether thats a reflection of where Labour has positioned us economically or Labours disgraceful electioneering or whatever is irrelevent. Many people out there want more from their lives than they currently have and have been waiting 9 years for. Do they hope National can deliver more, yes, can National do it, we'll have to wait and see.
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Night Rider said:
fish_boy said:
I'm already re-assessing who I hang out with based on the responses I've had over the election campaign, I certainly wonder why I've ended up knowing a bunch of half-wit tories.


likewise

I can't stand arrogant conceited lefties


Laughing
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resist said:
Nationals policies this year were 'hey what's labour doing ? oh cool lets do something extremely similar to that'


OH FFS

that has EXACTLY been Labour's tactics these past 9 years Laughing Laughing

god you lefties are full of shit Laughing
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LOL that John Key isn't ready for running NZ... I bet you didn't say that with Obama!
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fish_boy said:
I'm already re-assessing who I hang out with based on the responses I've had over the election campaign, I certainly wonder why I've ended up knowing a bunch of half-wit tories.
That is one fucked up statement fish boy. Jesus...
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they haven't released any details of their plans


What they have released has been positive. Policies will come (You can only hope- I guess they are all politicians after all) and I think it's fair to assume that the basis of these policies will be a progression towards the vision of New Zealand they have stated.

I'm aware that to a degree you have to trust that the party will follow through and my feeling is that if both parties keep to their word, a National New Zealand will be a better New Zealand.

However as I stated before I do agree that without the previous Labour government this country wouldn't be in the position they are for growth now. Labour has had a good run, have done a good job but towards the end have sputtered and New Zealand has outgrown both Labour and ideologies they stand for.
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I still <3 you Roman :C
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and apparently at least 48.0% of the country agree at the moment which is pretty decent chunk Smile
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snowflake said:
I think it has a lot less to do with Labour actually using dirty tactics and more the mainstream media reporting them as using dirty tactics


so sending the party president on a muck finding mission to Melbourne was done with the best of intentions? Mud on own face the result being the only benefit to the electorate

public monies on govt propaganda to senior citizens harking back to pledge cards scandal...

and on and on
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For a biggie thread this has kept remarkably empty of personal attacks.
I hope the majority of people have used their head in voting this year.
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Roman_K said:
fish_boy said:
I'm already re-assessing who I hang out with based on the responses I've had over the election campaign, I certainly wonder why I've ended up knowing a bunch of half-wit tories.
That is one fucked up statement fish boy. Jesus...


He's fish boy..
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Hoping greens can hit 10% Very Happy
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gummi_bear said:
I still <3 you Roman :C
I will still set you up for a try man. I am reconsidering passing to certain members of our team though... Sad
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Ravingmad said:
For a biggie thread this has kept remarkably empty of personal attacks.
I hope the majority of people have used their head in voting this year.


Haha had noticed that. It's good, been ages since a thread has stayed on topic and actually had some interesting reading throughout. (Not to say that personal attacks can't make for some good reading though, have come across some gold in here before haha)
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it seems to be pretty clear that national ARE going to get more votes than labour.

people do want a change. hopefully that frigging electoral finance act goes!
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*aside* codpiece can I pick your brain dude have an employment law question
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codpiece said:
hopefully that frigging get labour re-elected at all costs act goes!


eft
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Some lady on the discussion panel from TV3: "...we can't let our guard down on nz1st yet people..."

Laughing
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my employment law brain is in neutral tonight...but i could answer monday?...sorry just want a break from the law stuff for the weekend.
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Quite simply New Zealand does well when the world does well, Labour is not responsible for a few years of economic prosperity.
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codpiece said:
my employment law brain is in neutral tonight...but i could answer monday?...sorry just want a break from the law stuff for the weekend.


yeah nps :>
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Wonder how much the swing down for Nats will go, I'd say they might end up with about 46%...
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National will end up with 80% and Greens with 20%. The rest will just catch on fine from fish_boy's hate and anger... Crying or Very sad
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I hadn't heard of nikki kaye but was pretty impressed by her age and currently being in the lead. she seems to have accomplished quite a bit in her short life:

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Nikki Kaye was born and raised in Auckland. She was educated at Corran School where she was Head Prefect and gained a Bachelor of Science from the University of Otago, majoring in Genetics. She is also expecting to complete her LL.B later this year.

In 1999, Nikki joined the National Party and has held various roles in the Party organisation. She took a professional role as a Researcher in the Office of the Leader of the Opposition in 2002, where she supported National MPs on issues such as Justice and Housing. Like many New Zealanders, Nikki took the opportunity to have an “O.E” and moved to London in 2003. She worked in a variety of public policy and frontline delivery roles in transport and social policy.

Nikki’s career has developed with a move into project management and most recently, she ran a major information technology project for a large financial institution. She has also launched a company utilising internet technology to help political, charitable and corporate organisations to identify and engage with skilled people who can contribute to organisations in both volunteer and paid roles.

Nikki has maintained her involvement in politics and was elected Vice Chairman of the International Youth Democratic Union (IYDU), a grouping of major centre right political parties in December 2006. She was reelected in December 2007.

In 2007, she returned to New Zealand to fulfil a long held ambition to stand for Parliament for the National Party. She was excited to win the nomination for National in Auckland Central because it is a seat that she can be the most effective representative for. Nikki believes she offers the voters of Auckland Central decisive change and can work with the diverse communities that make up the electorate. She has strong drive to represent the aspirations and ambitions of young professionals in our Parliament.

Her interests include reading, films and she is a keen participant in multi-sport events, having completed the Coast to Coast Race in 2008. She enjoys showing off the many attractions in the Auckland Central electorate to friends and family.
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Roman_K said:
fish_boy said:
I'm already re-assessing who I hang out with based on the responses I've had over the election campaign, I certainly wonder why I've ended up knowing a bunch of half-wit tories.
That is one fucked up statement fish boy. Jesus...


Well that depends. If you spend your election campaign working hard for a party, and not talking about politics with your friends knowing they are going to vote the way they are going to vote the way they are going to vote then that is fine. I've got lots of friends who unsderstand that divide. But if they turn into fuckwits who try and rub your nose in it with constant inane and ignorant comments, then the implied lack of respect makes ask yourself why you bother.
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fishboy...you have to admit you spew forth a fair bit of vitriol when it comes to politics (and other issues...), i have no idea what you're like in real life apart from the brief time i did meet you, but if you're anything like you are on here, you perhaps shouldn't be surprised if people try to wind you up.
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it's early days yet - the major, usually left south Auckland electorates are yet to come in.

Very interesting reading the policy comparisons on the decision 08 site http://www.decision08.co.nz/EconomicPolicy/tabid/86/articleID/837/cat/203/Default.aspx
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Can you believe Campbell cut off a possible king maker in Turia to see Key heading to town in a taxi. Disgraceful.
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codpiece said:
fishboy...you have to admit you spew forth a fair bit of vitriol when it comes to politics (and other issues...), i have no idea what you're like in real life apart from the brief time i did meet you, but if you're anything like you are on here, you perhaps shouldn't be surprised if people try to wind you up.



I pick my friends based in a large part on their politics. If I have got a friend who disagrees with my political views, I expect them to respect the fact I am a committed political activist and I don't talk about politics because I am admit I am conviction political activist. Trust me, being involved in politics and union activity is hard enough, given the general cynicism of people who as quick to judge as they are slow to get off their backside to do anything, without having to put up with people who you expect to turn to for some non-political down time trying to wind you up all the time.

I can't be bothered with it.
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http://tvnz.co.nz/view/video_popup_windows_skin/2291511

the election outcome called in a horse race commentary form.

funny stuff.
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nchant said:
Can you believe Campbell cut off a possible king maker in Turia to see Key heading to town in a taxi. Disgraceful.


was the voice in his ear more like
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fish_boy said:
codpiece said:
fishboy...you have to admit you spew forth a fair bit of vitriol when it comes to politics (and other issues...), i have no idea what you're like in real life apart from the brief time i did meet you, but if you're anything like you are on here, you perhaps shouldn't be surprised if people try to wind you up.



I pick my friends based in a large part on their politics. If I have got a friend who disagrees with my political views, I expect them to respect the fact I am a committed political activist and I don't talk about politics because I am admit I am conviction political activist. Trust me, being involved in politics and union activity is hard enough, given the general cynicism of people who as quick to judge as they are slow to get off their backside to do anything, without having to put up with people who you expect to turn to for some non-political down time trying to wind you up all the time.

I can't be bothered with it.


sounds like you need to take an extended sabbatical overseas Wink
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Night Rider said:


sounds like you need to take an extended sabbatical overseas Wink




I don't think so. I am a sixth generation New Zealander, and I don't take the chicken run. This my home, and I'm here for the long haul.
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I'm actually quite worried. I don't want to watch anymore.
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fish_boy said:
codpiece said:
fishboy...you have to admit you spew forth a fair bit of vitriol when it comes to politics (and other issues...), i have no idea what you're like in real life apart from the brief time i did meet you, but if you're anything like you are on here, you perhaps shouldn't be surprised if people try to wind you up.



I pick my friends based in a large part on their politics. If I have got a friend who disagrees with my political views, I expect them to respect the fact I am a committed political activist and I don't talk about politics because I am admit I am conviction political activist. Trust me, being involved in politics and union activity is hard enough, given the general cynicism of people who as quick to judge as they are slow to get off their backside to do anything, without having to put up with people who you expect to turn to for some non-political down time trying to wind you up all the time.

I can't be bothered with it.


You are a fucking hypocrite. Your kind is a cancer to the left.

It's YOUR kind who is losing this election, with your bourgeois chardonnay socialism and the fact you care more about prostitution reform, the s59 repeal, electoral finance, than you do about WORKER'S RIGHTS.

Perhaps this defeat will have the positive effect of causing a scouring of Labour etc with a return of more unionists etc.
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didn't fishboy mention he was involved with a union vadinho?

vad...did you end up not voting for labour? heh i remember you saying that you were considering not voting for them...
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codpiece, fish_boy's union is the League of Gentlemen Farmers

old Hawkes Bay landed aristocracy y'see
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recent times diversified into growing chardonnay 'pon yon ancient alluvial gravels hence vadinho's cries of derision from across the class divide
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Night Rider said:
codpiece, fish_boy's union is the League of Gentlemen Farmers

old Hawkes Bay landed aristocracy y'see


So what have exactly have you done to advance the cause of working New Zealanders Vadz? Ever represnted someone desperate to keep their job against a bullying employer? Ever done a days work for free for a political party? Oh that right, you've done sweet fuck all except prattle on like some kind of ivory tower half wit specialising in beinf a retrospective apologist for genocide.

You are fuckwit. Worse, you are a fuckwit with no credibility, because you are all mouth. For a professed left winger you show a most unhealthy obsession with where i come from which I can only put down to a enormous chip on your shoulder because, well, you are some kind of wog and I am a sixth generation Kiwi - something that I am sure is discomforting to your neo-fascist views on racial homogenity within the nation state. It must be hard to a walking contradiction of your own professed point of view.

Still, I am a proper New Zealander so I consider Jack to be as good as his master and I judge a man on who he is and not on his family.

So i won't judge you for being a wog full of old world spite and hate, but please do try and learn to be more like a New Zealander, OK?
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Key is a proven businessman but he isnt a proven politician, so why risk having him lead the country?


Out of interest how much of a difference do people see between being a good business person and being a good politician?

I would have thought the skills were reasonably consistant at a high level of business and the processes are reasonably similiar such as:

*Maximising profit or prosperity within the country is the over-riding goal
*How you achieve that is through efficient allocation of resources i.e. assets and people
*You need to have solid interpersonal skills to be a good business person, same goes with being a good politician
*Big business these days cannot be achieved without a strong global plan, politicians again need a strong foreign policy to succeed.
*The people of New Zealand are the shareholders that the politician must answer to
*and so on.......

Is there a reason that people feel that business people can't lead a country? After all isn't a country really just one big business?
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Running a company and running a country are not similar.

Sure they both have budgets.

One cares about profits, the other is supposed to care about people.
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What if you are running a business that is an international not for profit. Blurs the line a bit as I would say they are looking out for people as opposed to profits.

And running a country is about profiting is it not? Can a country with an excess of cash flow not better look after it's people than a country in debt?
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Gee anyone else feel a little bit bad for Winnie?
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Without taking into account greed or corruption btw. Assuming the government will act morally.
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resist said:
Running a company and running a country are not similar.

Sure they both have budgets.

One cares about profits, the other is supposed to care about people.


bullshit
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nchant said:
Gee anyone else feel a little bit bad for Winnie?


NOPE
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Night Rider said:
resist said:
Running a company and running a country are not similar.

Sure they both have budgets.

One cares about profits, the other is supposed to care about people.


bullshit


simpleton
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canadian.scotty said:


Is there a reason that people feel that business people can't lead a country? After all isn't a country really just one big business?


Laughing ?
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Your laughing but giving no reason as to why you think the statement is incorrect? Confused
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Andrew said:
Night Rider said:
resist said:
Running a company and running a country are not similar.

Sure they both have budgets.

One cares about profits, the other is supposed to care about people.


bullshit


simpleton


Laughing Laughing
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canadian.scotty said:
What if you are running a business that is an international not for profit. Blurs the line a bit as I would say they are looking out for people as opposed to profits.


Sorry was this what John Key did ?

IF so it would be similar.
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onestan concedes tauranga
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fish_boy said:

So what have exactly have you done to advance the cause of working New Zealanders Vadz?


Uhh, actually worked as a labourer/furniture mover/bark tosser/butcher?

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You are fuckwit. Worse, you are a fuckwit with no credibility, because you are all mouth. For a professed left winger you show a most unhealthy obsession with where i come from


If you knew anything about left wing politics you would realise how important background was during the post-revolutionary periods in both France and Russia. Identifying the bourgeois and kulaks was an absolutely vital task to ensure the purity of the revolution and the destruction of counter-revolutionary interests.

Not that you'd know that, because your political consciousness probably extends back to Social Credit and ends there.

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which I can only put down to a enormous chip on your shoulder because, well, you are some kind of wog and I am a sixth generation Kiwi


Ahh, the acclaimed left-wing champion espousing racist views. Hilarious, really. Yes, I am a 2nd generation immigrant. My father came here from a fishing village that didn't even have electricity until the 1950s, with just about nothing, and spent most of his working life here either moving timber or carcasses at the freezing works. A father who served a PEOPLE's army, as well. His father before him was a peasant; his father before him, and so back to the 16th century.

You do know the Red Army was the "Worker's and Peasant's Red Army", and that it is the peasantry, not the landed nobility that YOU count as your ancestors that has always been the core of the left wing?

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Still, I am a proper New Zealander so I consider Jack to be as good as his master and I judge a man on who he is and not on his family.


Which shows a disturbing lack of political consciousness.

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So i won't judge you for being a wog full of old world spite and hate, but please do try and learn to be more like a New Zealander, OK?


Nice answer, but it doesn't change the fact your breed of filthy, parasitic bourgeois socialism has destroyed the left.

Liberalism is a cancer to the left. TRUE socialism is socially conservative, economically socialist. I am not disputing the benefits of prostitution law reform, s59 etc, but the fact is that I am partly bourgeois myself and my views on this are obviously NOT represented by the proleterariat.

The workers have chosen National, Fishy. Whjat does that say? The WORKERS.

When the left wing is so divorced from its roots, there is something seriously wrong.

Socialism was about everybody working hard. Stakhanovitism and other heroes of Labour. Liberalism is about everybody's rights.

Socialism is a COLLECTIVE philosophy.
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leadership qualities are universal.

john key seems to be a very good leader from what i can see.
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codpiece said:
leadership qualities are universal.

john key seems to be a very good leader from what i can see.


He's been great at correcting his own parties stance on things :>
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vadinho said:
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Still, I am a proper New Zealander so I consider Jack to be as good as his master and I judge a man on who he is and not on his family.


Which shows a disturbing lack of political consciousness.


not to mention a complete lack of discrimination or is that the same?
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Night Rider said:
vadinho said:
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Still, I am a proper New Zealander so I consider Jack to be as good as his master and I judge a man on who he is and not on his family.


Which shows a disturbing lack of political consciousness.


not to mention a complete lack of discrimination or is that the same?


If you don't think socio-economic class matters, you wouldn't be a left-winger in the first place. So it's paradoxical.

If you judge a person entirely on "who they are", you'd be a Objectivist (represented in NZ by Libertarianz)
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Whats more disturbing, there are 10570 votes for Bill and Ben party.
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Roman_K said:
Whats more disturbing, there are 10570 votes for Bill and Ben party.


If they'd gone to NZ First...
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Well at that really says to me is that if you maintain a good public profile you are more likely to get votes.
(Regardless of policies). I didnt recall seeing them on the list, although I had made up my mind before I got there. Maybe they got those people who were still sitting on the fence.
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canadian.scotty said:
Your laughing but giving no reason as to why you think the statement is incorrect? Confused


Ohh I thought it was a joke. Was just laughing at it...

Laughing

Froggy
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Some dont get it Crying or Very sad
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Pretty happy. In all honesty I would not have minded if Labour got back in, but the idea of the Greens in Government was fucking terrifying!
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mikem said:
Ohh I though it was a joke. Was just laughing at it...


Andrew said:
Some dont get it


I put it up for discussion, to find peoples opinion and all you can give is witty one-liners that add nothing? If people don't get it then explain it.


resist said:
Sorry was this what John Key did ?


The only difference between a profit and not for profit is the distribution of gains. As a CEO of either company your goal is to earn as much as possible for the company in question??
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Helen has conceded
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I'm not going to explain the world to you? Laughing

GProwl, you honestly think a labour-green coalition is more scary than Roger Douglas back in parliament?

One thing I just don't get is how humans can have such short term memories Neutral
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History is forever repeating itself.
Its human nature to take things for granted.
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Rogernomics 2.0?

You asked for it
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canadian.scotty said:

The only difference between a profit and not for profit is the distribution of gains. As a CEO of either company your goal is to earn as much as possible for the company in question??


So obviously a Prime Minister would make a great CEO?
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In all honesty. I wouldn't even know where to begin with a statement like that which is so wrong in my opinion.

Running a company is just a part of running a country.

Running a country has a hell of a lot more to it.

Neutral
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Ravingmad said:
History is forever repeating itself.


neil_armstrong said:
Rogernomics 2.0?

You asked for it


the second time as farce neil_a?
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vadinho said:
canadian.scotty said:

The only difference between a profit and not for profit is the distribution of gains. As a CEO of either company your goal is to earn as much as possible for the company in question??


So obviously a Prime Minister would make a great CEO?


And a great CEO make a great Prime Minister?

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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for the history repeating call look no further than the toxic coalitions involving Peters and co, which in a short space of time helped bring down two governments
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repeated for truth:

leadership qualities are universal.


rogernomics 2.0? hahahahahaahahahaha he won't be back in cabinet, and national are quite moderate on economic policy...
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codpiece said:
repeated for truth:

leadership qualities are universal.


rogernomics 2.0? hahahahahaahahahaha he won't be back in cabinet, and national are quite moderate on economic policy...


Moderate compared to who?

Kiwisaver to be slashed, Kiwirail to be stopped, tax rates to be slashed, government departments to be slashed

Mark my words: defence, corrections and police budget cuts
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And you think because he isn't in a cabinet position he won't be pulling the strings?