Hip Hop - started by honkies??

Ive been hearing that the Beastie Boyz invented Hip Hop.....what ya gotta say bout dat?

Or was it the now dead...piggie smalls?

nah man...

hip hop culture was started out of black america... it was about standing up and being counted, having a voice and being heard...

after 20 years of created funk filled music from the 50's to the 70's african americans had bigger things on their minds... human rights struggles and other minority issues

early rap was started by the likes of grand master flash and kurtis blow, but was made more powerful and more popular by the names everyone loves and rememebrs so well... public enemy, ice cube, heavy D, and right across to the commercial side with people like the fresh prince and jazzy jeff through the 80's... and then through to the hip hop boom, the release of the dogg pound, g funk era, tupac and biggie's separate uprisings... bone thugs releasing crossroads, which to this day is still the fastest selling single of all time... they lead the way for everyone's favourites today

certainly not the beastie boys... the beastie boys may have been part of that revolution, but to me the hip hop culture is about having something to identify with, hearing something in the words... and if you look at the breadth and depth of influence of the hip hop culture in the mainstream, more specifically in fashion and vocab etc... its pretty clear it was started out of an oppressed, miseducated people... not some middle class whities who liked to shout a lot...

Define Honkey - i would like to know where the word honkey orginated from.

As well as that can someone define what "cracker" means too...

haha.

the beasties only good stuff is there instrumental funk stuff. they sound to annoying to be emcees.

kool herc invented hiphop, helped along by guys like kraftwerk... and neither of them was black america... herc was jamaican and kraftwerk german.

but of course i'm over generalising it... havn't we done this history lesson before?

Beasties do some good stuff man - 'Hey Ladies' is fantastic..

Hiphop definitely originated in black america but its a worldwide thing now.. I've been watching some Japanese hiphop videos on my computer - its wicked!

yeah they have a few good songs... i'm just being a hater cos i got so sick of hearing them at high school...

the japanese do good dancehall too, i know there were some japan bootlegs of the diwali riddim with japanese mcs on em... i love listening to the japanese emcees on krushs albums. theres a fella called 'boss the mc' who records with 'tha blue herb' and krush, hes freakin dope.

Erm... victim,
seems u been the victim of some one yankin yo chain.
Hip Hop was definately a movement by African Americans in the USA tryin to grasp for Identity. Funnily enough around the same time the Youth in Britian were embracing punk ...
but the Beasties have been round long enuff to have mad contribution to it all.

Serendipity - Honky originated from Porirua, Wellington i think.

Cracker - used to crack seals on NOS cans.

*Head swells for sharing his vast knowledge* (burrrtz)

SMF - "not some middle class whities who liked to shout a lot"? - Like Eminem? :/

cracker is also a racial slur that i have heard a few comedians used when talking about white people, just wanted to know where is came from...

I have a cracker NooOooOOSOooOOSs
LOL fankeez Vic

eminem is far from middle class... a dude with a lot of problems and more than his fair share to say maybe...

good work on nitpicking at an otherwise accurate post though

:/

dont be rascist victim, or do you like white people calling you niggas as much as they like being called honkies?

Do white people get offended by being called 'honkies'? If someone called me that I'd be more amused than anything..

Err....*thinks he should shed some light*

I dont mind being called a honky?

Eh seren Muah!! xoxo

Coz im a muthafuken O.G, then i O.D, excuse me, mr bumblebee, dirty flea, smell like weez, honky pleez, you wannabeez, giz a squeeze, on your knees, play wit deez....

I could go on for hours.

How you doin SMF? Aussie treating ya good?

Oh yeah...and for my 2 cents worth....you is what you is. Biarch's!

Errr Hush....might wanna live up to your name.
Im not even black ya gooonie.

But anyway...good call SMF nuff sed.
Jigga - lol

i know a few white people that think that being called a Pakeha and palagi is offensive aye


Depends entirely on the situation and the delivery... take for instance Road rage - and being called a fucken honkey - Yep

hehe

Yea so if ya dont know wether theyll be offended by it dont say it victim, personally i feel honky is to me what nigger is to a black person.
my bit
ez

honkey is slang for 'white person'

exactly my point

any slang word to seperate people by their skin colour can be taken as a rascist remark.

not in oz no more jigga, back in aucks bein a bit of a bum at present... it was pretty shit over there on the whole, well sydney was anyhow - melbourne is way better...

i'm going to melborne next month - tell me where to go

EH!? When did you get back SMF?

I aint been online for a while, since my pad got burged and stole my puter.

We'll have to have some beers n shit!
How long you going to Melbourne Serendipity? Plenty of palagis over there gurl!

Hush....i think your being a little too sensitive, slang changes all the time. Are you offended by being called a honky? If a black person said to you...."hey honky" how would you react?

Nigga, the word, goes back a lot further, and has a great deal more meaning, history and feeling than honky, especially for black americans. Nigger originates from slavery days and is still a very derogatory word used in the wrong way.

Hip hop & the black culture have 'taken' back this word, claimed it as their own and is often used to voice kinship.

Word trader
Jigga>>>> - just for 2 and hlaf weeks

Victim>>>>>Serendipity - Honky originated from Porirua, Wellington i think

know anything more????

Its a matter of opinion.
I do not feel I should let a black person call me a honky ivf theyd crack me for calling them a nigger.

well you're pretty ignorant if you think the 2 terms have any where near the same significance...

Awww lucky seren!!
Go hard gurl, show dem ozziez wassup!!

*lightning strikes brain!!*

What if the word "bro" became a racist or offensive remark....fuck NZ would be a warzone!!

Rangi - "hey cuz"
Martin - "hey bro!"
Rangi - "what you call me c*nt!?"
Martin - "......"
Rangi - *Pulls out his 9mm - KAPOWWW!!!*
Martin - *flatlines*

Peace.

9mm? the Mack 11 is my weapon of choice actually, u fuckn white goblin.. what?!

i thought honkey orignated from 1930;s america where white guys used to literally HONK in their cars to black hookers on the street

i duno mayb Porirua LOLOL

i found this

http://www.triniview.com/cgi-bin/rasta/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/32871
I'm still curious

cotheman....that doesnt rhyme.

9mm sounds way caller than mack 11 that sounds like a fucken artificial flavouring or sumpin.

Muppet.
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http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_257b.html
for where term comes from.

it doesn't really matter who "made" hip hop

the issue here is that everyone loves it and the music has progressed to many different styles and influences - we have seen hip hop grow from the old skool funkin 70's styles of Grandmaster Flash to the overly-commercialised rnb flava'd P Diddys to the intellectual underground styles of 7L & Esoteric to the hugely successful Wu Tang tribe and even across the road to the surpriser of them all, Eminem

hip hop has many faces and ranges and thats why its so hugely popular around the world

props to the people who did "create" the genre, props to the artists that have all added their 2 cents worth to the music, props to the fans that made the artists who they are today

first of all, hip hop is not just music. it also includes graffiti and breakdancing.

the first dj was kool herc who brought it over from jamaica
but the first mc was coke la rock who was african american
and breakdancing came from a james brown song (james brown was... gasp... african american)
and graffiti has been around since the caveman days

sorry for being a bit late but

kraftwerk invented hip hop??

wtf??

planet rock - afrikka bambaataa sampled sum kraftwerk and djs like Grandmaster Flash mixed sum in but Kraftwerk were never hip hop

dats jus dumb

Snippet from a UK magazine called DOESNTEXIST....

"HipHop music was started back in the 1970's by a female called Harietta. Her parents split when she was young because her father was jailed for killing a 12 year old in Manchester UK. Her mother (an alcoholic) moved in with her new boyfriend. Her new boyfriend became abusive and made Harietta live in the basement.

Harietta's mother was so terrified of her new chick beating boyfriend that she did not try to stop him from steeling Harriettas youth.

Harrietta found an old box of clothing in the basement. There was a baggy adidas sweater and some old mans jeans that were 8 sizes too big for her, but this was all she had to keep warm so she wore them anyway. This is why Hip Hop lovers where baggy clothes.

Under the box of clothes she found some broken down record players. She had nothing better to do so she got 2 of them going and started to play some old records belonging to the chick beater. She learned that if you try and stop the record with your hand it made a sratching noise and you could make 2 records sound good together while making them scratch. This is where scratching was invented.

There was a small window in the basement going out to the street. No one could ever hear her cries only the base and the scratching and Harrieta talking over the music. The basement noises soon caught on and little Harriettas music became the talk of the town.

One day someone went to find out where the sound was coming from. They discovered a pale little white girl, starving and scared. Harrietta was free at last. The town folk had her parents arrested and put her into foster care.

Her new family were the Ipkiss family and her mothers name was Hoppy, so Harietta's name became HARRIETTA IPKISS-HOPPY, but that was way too long so they shortened it to H.IP-HOP.

The new craze spread around the world and as with most stories... the truth became distorted and Harrieta was forgotten.....

and today... every man and his dog is trying to claim HIP HOP as thier own.

Such a sad story.

Oh well

I am in CHCH but coming up for DE LA... can't wait!

white ppl eat lots of cheese and crackers so blacks called them crackers

oh and djs started hip hop

After an intense session with Andy Pulzar watching SCRATCH on DVD (must see... it's awesome) we have come to the conclusion...

DJ Cool Herc was the original founder of Hip Hop, however the greatest influence on the hip hop culture was Afrika Bambaataa....

In the Bronx Afrika Bambaataa tried to stop all the gang shit going down by creating something that they could focus on... he encouraged the gangs to try DJing, Graffiti, breakdancing etc to get them focusing on positive shit rather than busting caps in arses....

and that... is the truth.

oh and my Harietta story was a piss take
must of been a good yarn though... everyone is falling for it