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Pearl Jam's drummer not being represented in there seems odd...though they change their drummer a few times, didn't they?
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You talking about their original or Matt Cameron (Soundgarden) cause their original drummer was pretty shit and only deserves rotten fruit (much like the rest of the band really).
Not to mention as a band they have fuck all staying power (re: Travis Barker wtf!?! )
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what a stupid list

I'd like to see the highest earning solo drummers list - ie people whose only income came from them drumming unaccompanied

then a list of the richest monkeys - the creature not the band

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Other than drummers, not too many people would want to go and see a drummer performing by him/her self? (Animal and Buddy Rich excluded)

... and all the rich monkeys have died from smoking.
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a lot of cultures are drum centric
cylons for example

bubbles never smoked

*shakes one glove*
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bob daktari said:

bubbles never smoked


Maybe not ciggies.
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ba boom tish

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applause...
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Phil Collins and Dave Grohl hardly count.

Also Steve Adler still makes the list despite Axl screwing him on the $$$ and not being able to to play drums since 1990.
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whoooaaaa, i shouldn't have sold my drumkit.

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davil said:
whoooaaaa, i shouldn't have sold my drumkit.



If you saw what the front men/singers/guitarists of those bands were worth compared to the drummers you'd reconsider that.
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Depends on the band really, look at Lars.
Phill Collins is one of the greatest drummers in the world man!! He's crazy awesome.
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LeKnight said:
Depends on the band really, look at Lars.
Phill Collins is one of the greatest drummers in the world man!! He's crazy awesome.


I guess you're right in that Collin's played the drums on all the albums that made him rich... Whereas Grohl would've played drums on less than half of them.
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Jono said:
davil said:
whoooaaaa, i shouldn't have sold my drumkit.



If you saw what the front men/singers/guitarists of those bands were worth compared to the drummers you'd reconsider that.


Na, i've got 13 years of drumming behind me... but can't play guitar or sing for shit Razz
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Jono said:
LeKnight said:
Depends on the band really, look at Lars.
Phill Collins is one of the greatest drummers in the world man!! He's crazy awesome.


I guess you're right in that Collin's played the drums on all the albums that made him rich... Whereas Grohl would've played drums on less than half of them.


But look at the albums he did play on (Grohl) they were the cash cows, and Im pretty sure Taylor only actually played on a couple. Add to that everything else he plays drums on QOTSA, The D, Eagle of Death Metal etc...
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i wonder how much session drummers charge for high selling artists?
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LeKnight said:
Jono said:
LeKnight said:
Depends on the band really, look at Lars.
Phill Collins is one of the greatest drummers in the world man!! He's crazy awesome.


I guess you're right in that Collin's played the drums on all the albums that made him rich... Whereas Grohl would've played drums on less than half of them.


But look at the albums he did play on (Grohl) they were the cash cows, and Im pretty sure Taylor only actually played on a couple. Add to that everything else he plays drums on QOTSA, The D, Eagle of Death Metal etc...


Luckily we have Krist Novoselic as a control, if we can figure out how much he's made it should be about the same as Grohl made fom Nirvana given that he doesn't appear to have made a cent since then.
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Davil

Depends on the drummer, as it's really a case of demand. Like Josh Freese (one of the best in the world) he plays in a fuck ton of bands - so if he wasnt available then he'd charge a fuck load more to opt out of any prior agreements to fill the slot. Im presuming this is why Travis Barker is on that list - I mean Blink aint exactly a band that would be described as having staying power, but I know he does a lot of session work.

Also, a bunch of session drummers are called in during the middle of the night when the recording bands actual drummer has gone home - plays the parts then leaves. So Id imagine their hourly rate is quite high.

Then you have dudes who play on shows like Letterman etc - they are fucking bad ass as fuck, but they would have a rate that would have to compete with others trying to get the gig.
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Well Blink 182 were huge in the late 90s, hence why it is by far the darkest time in rock history. They also get a fucktonne of royalties from college movies where it's still compulsory to include a Blink 182 song some 15 years later.
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LeKnight said:
Not to mention as a band they have fuck all staying power


Loads more staying power than Nirvana! Razz

And what are you on about? Of the bands from that era, they're about the only one (aside from Tool) who have never once split up/called it quits...how do you figure they have no staying power?
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LeKnight said:
fuck ton


Jono said:
fuck tonne


Metric and Imperial fuck tonnage up ITT!
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Insanity said:
LeKnight said:
Not to mention as a band they have fuck all staying power


Loads more staying power than Nirvana! Razz

And what are you on about? Of the bands from that era, they're about the only one (aside from Tool) who have never once split up/called it quits...how do you figure they have no staying power?


Who Pearl Jam?!!
Dude, they had two albums and imo they were both shit. Stupid fucking gen x alternative crappola. Sorry if Im offending a band you like, but I mean really....Pearl Jam?
and if you tell me Ten is a classic - Ill do an Insanity and start shouting Razz
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Jono said:
Well Blink 182 were huge in the late 90s, hence why it is by far the darkest time in rock history. They also get a fucktonne of royalties from college movies where it's still compulsory to include a Blink 182 song some 15 years later.


I actually shuddered reading your post Jono.
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LeKnight said:
Who Pearl Jam?!!
Dude, they had two albums and imo they were both shit. Stupid fucking gen x alternative crappola. Sorry if Im offending a band you like, but I mean really....Pearl Jam?
and if you tell me Ten is a classic - Ill do an Insanity and start shouting Razz


Ten = SEMINAL Razz

Now go!!!! Laughing

Personal opinion that you don't like them, does not disclude them imo from anything other than you don't like them...not saying you're not allowed to dislike them, just that like or hate, saying they have no staying power when they've been around and releasing albums the whole time, sorry, that's bollox...
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But we can all agree that ever liking Blink 182 is about as bad as it gets, right?
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Laughing right...or Green Day Razz
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Laughing

Releasing albums maybe, but releasing credible albums? two different tings there.

Ill admit they made a bit of an impact with their first two albums - but and this is a big but - they were in with the shift from stadium rock to alt rock (brrrrrrgh shiver) so the public attachment was on their side for being part of a new movement. Look at the rest of those shitty alt rock bands that were "huge" at the time.
Im not saying Pearl Jam were as bad as some of them, Im just sayin that they certainly dont have the staying power as most of those on the list.

Gossard can play his axe quite well, but Vedder sounds like every other fucking American alt rock singer with the cupped mic vocal sound. You know that thing they did with their voice making it sound all "heeeyy heey heeyy" (which is actually a trick to stay in key btw)

Their songs sound like Coke commercials - just like Blink 182 sound like American Pie soundtracks.
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gummi_bear said:
But we can all agree that ever liking Blink 182 is about as bad as it gets, right?


...it gets worse, they have just reformed.
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LeKnight said:
Other than drummers, not too many people would want to go and see a drummer performing by him/her self? (Animal and Buddy Rich excluded)



I'd go see Jon Bonham. Well I would have. Razz
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gummi_bear said:
But we can all agree that ever liking Blink 182 is about as bad as it gets, right?



Heh. Zing of the day!

Travis Barker also fronts another band just FYI for the thread...

And fuck off LK, Pearl Jam were massive and deservedly so initially. They no more rode on the coat tails of the grunge explosion than say Soundgarden or The Smashing Pumpkins. Your taste has coloured the objectivity of your opinion. Razz
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dalai said:
. Your taste has coloured the objectivity of your opinion. Razz


Yup, more than likely Razz , but my comment on only having two albums still stands. Everything else they did, just (only just) managed to keep their name alive - they certainly didnt get the attention their first two did. Even their second album was a fairly weak follow up to Ten.
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Compared to the classic Pumpkins line up or Soundgarden - who with each release went from strength to strength.
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Well I would argue that Vs was also a strong album, tougher and leaner than its predecessor and agree with your 2 albums claim as Vitalogy was a long step downwards after that. But then I would also argue that Smashing Pumpkins (Siamese Dream, Melon Collie) and Soundgarden (Badmotorfinger, Superunknown) also only really had 2 Great albums and the rest good but not as good...
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LeKnight said:
Releasing albums maybe, but releasing credible albums? two different tings there.

Ill admit they made a bit of an impact with their first two albums - but and this is a big but - they were in with the shift from stadium rock to alt rock (brrrrrrgh shiver) so the public attachment was on their side for being part of a new movement. Look at the rest of those shitty alt rock bands that were "huge" at the time.
Im not saying Pearl Jam were as bad as some of them, Im just sayin that they certainly dont have the staying power as most of those on the list.

Gossard can play his axe quite well, but Vedder sounds like every other fucking American alt rock singer with the cupped mic vocal sound. You know that thing they did with their voice making it sound all "heeeyy heey heeyy" (which is actually a trick to stay in key btw)

Their songs sound like Coke commercials - just like Blink 182 sound like American Pie soundtracks.


Yeah, I do get what you're saying, but they're still pretty huge to a lot of people...you never liked them, so you're never going to think anything they did after Ten and VS was good, millions would disagree with you...no biggie though Smile
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Insanity said:
does not disclude them ...


NEW WORD ITT
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Laughing Laughing
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lol...touche
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Hahaha. We all know what he meant though, what does that say of us!
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LeKnight said:
Davil

Depends on the drummer, as it's really a case of demand. Like Josh Freese (one of the best in the world) he plays in a fuck ton of bands - so if he wasnt available then he'd charge a fuck load more to opt out of any prior agreements to fill the slot. Im presuming this is why Travis Barker is on that list - I mean Blink aint exactly a band that would be described as having staying power, but I know he does a lot of session work.

Also, a bunch of session drummers are called in during the middle of the night when the recording bands actual drummer has gone home - plays the parts then leaves. So Id imagine their hourly rate is quite high.

Then you have dudes who play on shows like Letterman etc - they are fucking bad ass as fuck, but they would have a rate that would have to compete with others trying to get the gig.


Interesting post Smile

i've always wondered how much top session drummers make. Especially session drummers in the 80's and 90's who performed for artists like Whitney Houstin etc... they're probably getting paid shit loads for such simple drumming. You and me could be doing drumming like that with our hands tied behind our backs Razz

I didn't know Travis did session drumming, i know he plays in a few other bands but i thought he was actually in those bands.

Smile
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gummi_bear said:
But we can all agree that ever liking Blink 182 is about as bad as it gets, right?


Na blink 182 are awesome.
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LeKnight said:
just like Blink 182 sound like American Pie soundtracks.


Laughing i used to love that soundtrack Very Happy
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Wonder how much Shelton from Blindspott made back in the day .. .. heh.
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QTRARO said:
Wonder how much Shelton from Blindspott made back in the day .. .. heh.



Enough to pay me back the $1.50 pie I bought him back in high school!




It's a grudge I have held till this day. Mad
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Enough to offer to us all a rounds of drinks at spy one night which one of my friends replied to
With a "fuck off mate" which made things awkward (not sure why, think he had a grudge).

Was friends with one of the blindspot members and afaik income was nothing really to write home about.
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QTRARO said:
Wonder how much Shelton from Blindspott made back in the day .. .. heh.

I didn't think bands made money from dodgy knock off cd rips in Thailand?
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davil said:
(not sure why, think he had a grudge).


Was it Pie Related?
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could very well have been! Laughing
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davil said:

Was friends with one of the blindspot members and afaik income was nothing really to write home about.


True.. a friend of mine at school was with one of the guys can't remember his name.. he was Maori looking though ... so we ended up going to heaps of their gigs back when they started .. they were awesome Music
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marcus?

Smile
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LeKnight said:
Laughing

Releasing albums maybe, but releasing credible albums? two different tings there.

Ill admit they made a bit of an impact with their first two albums - but and this is a big but - they were in with the shift from stadium rock to alt rock (brrrrrrgh shiver) so the public attachment was on their side for being part of a new movement. Look at the rest of those shitty alt rock bands that were "huge" at the time.
Im not saying Pearl Jam were as bad as some of them, Im just sayin that they certainly dont have the staying power as most of those on the list.

Gossard can play his axe quite well, but Vedder sounds like every other fucking American alt rock singer with the cupped mic vocal sound. You know that thing they did with their voice making it sound all "heeeyy heey heeyy" (which is actually a trick to stay in key btw)

Their songs sound like Coke commercials - just like Blink 182 sound like American Pie soundtracks.


You're confusing Pearl Jam with the wake of alternative modern rock that followed... TEN (which was original, seminal and pretty much a flawless album IMO) was released just a couple of months after Nevermind, hardly enough time to join a supposed bandwagon. And who are the "shitty alt rock bands" that you associate with them? Soundgarden? Alice In Chains? All great bands from a wicked era... go watch the doco Twenty. Very interesting look at the Seattle scene in the late 80s/early 90s..

As for staying power... Pearl Jam EASILY had the most of it out of that bunch. Sure it culminated in some very bland and increasingly stadium rock sounding albums post-Vitalogy. But they have had more recording / live performance longevity than anyone else from that era.
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davil said:
marcus?

Smile


yeah that's the one Smile I remember he was a nice guy and kinda quiet....Actually they were all nice and super humble from what I remember... especially Damian and maybe except Shelton..heh.. they had a lot of jealous haters though which was lame as they repped West Auckland so good.

Uhh imo best drummer would have to be Dave Grohl when was in Nirvana.. .. he's so cool. I like the drummer in Paramore too well whoever the drummer was who played on that song Decode.

rambly :>
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LeKnight said:
Their songs sound like Coke commercials


Thank you for putting into words what I've felt for a very long time.
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davil said:
gummi_bear said:
But we can all agree that ever liking Blink 182 is about as bad as it gets, right?


Na blink 182 are awesome.


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hahah I think Blink 182 are awesome too!

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grinder said:


As for staying power... Pearl Jam EASILY had the most of it out of that bunch. Sure it culminated in some very bland and increasingly stadium rock sounding albums post-Vitalogy. But they have had more recording / live performance longevity than anyone else from that era.


Ahhhhh ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa...............................Ahhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa!
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Name one.
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^ exactly...you just can't

Primus? Laughing
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Soundgarden at their peak (which is what we are talking about - at their peak) shit all over PJ.
Alice in Chains........in a heartbeat
Pumpkins (as much as they annoyed me) completely and utterly.

The only thing PJ had going for them (other than their incredibly cool image) was their songwriters could actually play. This does not mean they wrote good songs (thats completely objective to the listener btw). But they constructed songs that took some musical knowledge to play - however dull and hip they actually sounded like.

While Im at it, grunge and alt should not be in the same basket.
Alt is exactly that, an alternative take on traditional rock
Grunge was a shitty state of mind with a soundtrack.
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Laughing

You're missing the point bro.

We're talking about staying power. ie. Longevity in terms of playing the global live circuit. Number of studio albums recorded and sold.

Pearl Jam have been touring non-stop for TWENTY FUCKING YEARS. Soundgarden & A.I.C spent most of that time dead or broken up.

Pearl Jam have released NINE studio albums. Soundgarden 5. AIC did 4.

Smashing Pumpkins aren't even worth considering... After Mellon Collie they lost their musical direction, lost their identity and lost their line-up.

Don't get me wrong bro, I would take Alice In Chains (my fave) or Soundgarden ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over Pearl Jam. But when we're talking about the facts, and looking at it objectively, you can't deny Pearl Jam's staying power.
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This thread is fucking me off. You're disparaging some excellent music and a vital part of my musical formation here, LK, and I'm struggling to remain civil. I will try to.

To begin, I think you are drunk, or were for a good chunk of this thread. You sledge Soundgarden ("rotten fruit" ) then big them up the rest of the thread. Then you get into an argument about "staying power" which you conclude by forgetting about entirely and coming up with a who shat all over who list you've compiled using the inverse popularity law that people with ironic moustaches like to use.

To conclude, when the recent alternative was stadium rock and hair metal, deciding to single out grunge is pretty fucking retarded. Hell, metal at the time was headlined by fucking Metallica and that Black album of theirs. Which was fucking trite-sauce. Alt can eat Primus cooked Dinosaur Jr Ween-y. Grunge was the perfect last hoorah of rock music before it became cuntified by pop for a decade and an MTV which was ONLY there to make you want money so you too could be a cunt.

I need a smoke. *seethe*
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Smile
Sure, I get what your sayin dude, but staying power and releasing a bunch of albums does not mean the same thing.
PJ had two albums......two.

and those could only wish they had the musical prowess and strength that albums by SG, SP and AIC had.

PJ cracked it for sure, but it was because a bunch of disposable income dropped by their girlfriend teenagers cry rocked themselves to sleep listening to Black.
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Housefag, where the fuck did I say anything bad about Soundgarden - they are fucking amazing.
They were in fact a metal band with an Alt umbrella, same with AIC.
They just happened to wear funny clothes. Smile
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TtheHF said:
. You sledge Soundgarden ("rotten fruit" )


Ahhh, you mistook me here dude, I was saying Matt Cameron is an exclusion to the shitty PJ line up.
Who the fuck would have a go at Soundgarden?!?! A monkey on crack - thats who.
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Your second post.

*edit: You were saying Pearl Jam deserved rotten fruit. Makes far more sense. You're still a motherfucker for disparaging my mates Pearl Jam >_<
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LeKnight said:
You talking about their original or Matt Cameron (Soundgarden) cause their original drummer was pretty shit and only deserves rotten fruit (much like the rest of the band really).


Laughing
was quite clearly talking about drummers pre Cameron man.
...and yes Im am a mother fucker....I will diss PJ because I hate them, and as Insanity pointed out my opinions are clouding my objectivity. Smile
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All in all though, great thread, would read again! Laughing
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I reckon that would be LeKnights favourite! Razz
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