Headphones

So finally my hdj-1000s have broken after three years, so i'm looking for new cans.

Was wanting the beats by dre headphones (just because they look mean as and have a good output) but for how much they are i could get two pairs of headphones.

So i'm thinking hd-25 mk2s...

anyone recomend these or any others?

looking to buy tomorow

HD-25.

or, Ultrasones..

this.

i realise it is now a week later, so i hope my advice has been of some help.

yeah i went with the sennys, definatly a good choice! alot more comfortable then my old hdj-1000s!!!

nice work! i love mine, sound is second to none and they are so lightweight & comfortable. one of the best purchases my student loan enabled me to make.

So what i want to know about these is how long have some of you had them for, from the pics online they look a bit flimsy. im not super hard on gear had my last pair of RPDH 1200 for 3 years.
Im tossing up between the HD_25 or the technics RPDJ1200
and the later look more solid.

thoughts

The Sennheisers have a steel shank in the headband.

They don't break.

Also, you are looking at closer to 15/20 years with a pair of HD25's..

Yeah, the HD25s are a lot stronger than you first expect, and besides all the parts are easily replaceable - you can fix them up yourself if you need to. Usually the ear-padding wears away before anything else

I've had a pair of the Technics RP-DJ1200 headphones since 1998 and they're still fine (getting a little long in the teeth mind you)... I've even had some HD25s in the meantime and they never sounded quite right for DJing to me. I know people love them but, after so long, I'm just used to the Technics.

Ive used SONY MDR V700DJ for years, Ive tried 25's on and dont like them although I appreciate the sound quality is great. Dont like the Technics that bend backwards at the cups either it annoys the fuck out of me.
The Sonys are closed and seem to block out more ambient noise plus they have a 50mm diameter drive so the bass is killer and they fold up real nice.

The whole Ctrl V thing is retarded.. btw..

no more like

HDJ-2000's. Wouldnt use anything else now.

Not a fan of the HD-25's. I find them very slimsy and the sound quality on the Pioneer's is easily on par with, if not superior.

I used your's at your mates birthday and they are horrible man. They sounded so 'plastic' and hollow to me. It seemed like as soon as you got enough volume the low end would just thump beyond the ideal range and freak out. I've never had that with the Technics or HD25s I've tried.

Some specs of two mentioned above if anyone is interested...

Pioneer HDJ-2000
Weight - 290g (plus cable)
Frequency response - 5 Hz to 30,000 Hz
Impedance - 36 Ohm

Sennheiser HD25
Weight - 140g
Frequency response - 16-22000Hz
Impedance - 70 Ohms

Technics RP-DJ1200
Weight - 225g
Frequency response - 18 Hz - 30000 kHz
Impedance - ?

Note: Sennheiser's are half the weight of the Pioneers!
Note 2: I've used the Technics for over a decade and of these three have the best sounding bass to me - tight and heavy - for DJing use. Altho, maybe it's just that I'm so used to them after such a long time that anything else sounds weird now.

Oh... sure.. 5Hz out of a Headphone?

nah you've lost the plot you were wankered on Jack Daniels by the time we played b2b.

Ha ha - I had that same call but edited it out of my post in case you came on here and schooled us...

the full spec probablly reads something like '5Hz @ -100dB' or something equally ridiculous..

The frequency range of the HD-25's tends to isolate those frequencies required for fast accurate beat matching, I believe that's a major reason for their popularity.

Heavy bass while sounding nice in your ear are generally not required for beat matching, use the monitors or the club system to judge this.

The other problem is that if the music sounds too good in your headphones, it will encourage you to keep them on all the time which can isolate you from the dance floor. The less time spent in your cans the better you will manage the sound club sound.

I used Dj-1000's for a number of years. Not sure how you made them last 3 years though, they're notoriously bad for breaking just above where the cup joins. I think I went through 3 pairs in all.

After the last pair broke I moved to HD-25's based on the never ending positive feedback found all over the place. It certainly took some time to adjust but I would never go back to Pioneers again.

Technic's usually fall somewhere in the middle of the Pioneer's and Sennheiser's, various pros and cons, certainly a good option for some.

Yeah, I'm not that sold on this call. I like them to sound good while I'm in a club situation where there's lots of other noise around. The Technics do this very well to me. I even prefer them to the Sennheisers in that respect. At home or in a studio it probably wouldn't be the same tho.

The popularity of the HD25s is mostly to do with entrenched opinions, price-quality perception and, most importantly, durability and having easily replaceable parts. Not their actual match for DJing needs sound-wise. In fact, they weren't even initially designed with DJs in mind.


Again, this seems like an odd call. Are you saying that regardless that you're probably playing music you like, having nice sound will make you wear them more, perhaps too much, and therefore you'd be less connected with the floor? That makes no sense to me. It's all dependent on how you DJ which, to me, should have relatively little to do with your headphone choice (and how long too - on very long sets I often keep my headphones on with the volume down to make sure I hear the sound right when I chose to mix/monitor).

From what you've said in this thread it appears you haven't seriously tested a different pair of headphones in over ten years.

It takes months of regular use to fully adjust to a new set of cans and to properly evaluate the pros and cons of doing so.

I consider it all very solid advice based on my experiences over the last 5 years or so.

Well you can all rave on as much as you like with your Irkles and hiccups and theoretical, however I have put together this complex diagram which I believe clearly shows the capabilities of the Sony MDR:




So in summary if they are good enough for Digweed and good enough for Astral...they are cant be too shoddy.

I didn't say I haven't tried/owned a pair of HD25s. I did, for years, but they never seemed right for DJing after using them for months and months. I haven't used the Pioneer or Sony ones at length but, like speakers, could tell very quickly whether they were right for me for DJing or general use. The only Pioneers I tried - many years ago - were just rubbish yet were touted as their main entry to the market. Yet Roger Sanchez was using them at the time. (How much money would it take to pay you to wear crap headphones? 100k? 200k?)

Your call about isolating the frequencies required for beatmatching.. . What frequencies are these? Can you roughly place them? If you think it's 'where the snares' are etc then wouldn't that again cause its own issues over long periods of use? - like making your ability to EQ worse through poor referencing?

Do you have a copy of that pasted up on your bedroom ceiling by chance?

BTW I bet Digweed gets paid a tidy little sum to wear those Sony's.

Astral I doubt get you paid anything so you may be less bias.

Its the screensaver on my phone *swoon*

I'll be honest I first got them cause I liked the look of them but to be fair when you are DJing to crowds of 2000 plus regularly, asthetics play a bigger part than if you just DJ in shitty clubs to 100 people

PEOW! I sound like Sample Gee!

So were they version 1 or 2? Because I've tried version 1 as well and they were kinda shit. I wouldn't use them anyway.

To me cans for Dj'ing and general use have different requirements.

I usually only wear my headphones for a few seconds per mix now anyway. I can without a doubt beat match faster and more accuratly than I could with my HD-1000's. I'm sure the HD-2000's are better because there was a lot of room for improvement but I imagine they are still bass heavy and for that reason I wont be using them for Dj'ing again. I wouldn't mind a pair for general listening though.

I don't really beleive in using the cans for much else than basic beat matching these days, professional Dj's should have professional monitors etc.

Anyone know what the diffrence is between the hd-25-1 II and the hd-25-c II is apart from the extra long cord

Im gonna head down and pick up a pair on tuesday and want to know what i get extra if i spend another €40

Right got it the answer is, not much. apart from the cord and maybe some diffrent earpads.
who wants a coiled cord anyways

The coiled cord goes for some ridiculous distance no normal Dj would ever require.

Its also a fair bit heavier and pulls down on the headphones.

Not recommended unless you want to keep listening to the mix while buying a drink at the bar.

sweet so i got me the hd25s had a listen to them and the technics rpdjs at the shop and the rps were louder at the same volume but man dem sennies are so fucking crisp, cant wait to use thenm on a big system

If your headphones aren't loud enough, turn down the monitor.

Ez.

wasn't really saying they are not loud enough, just that the technics were louder at the same volume.
they alot louder than i will ever need. and so damn light, my technics rp-dh 1200s are like a tank in comparison