Hadlee - Chappell 2009

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24971836-5006069,00.html




Funny? Arrogant? Or an indictment on where Aussie are at right now?

All three

4th is one of the worst?

I think NZ could win this..

Look how Botha and Duminy has strangled Aussie

Botha = 7 wickets @ 21

and Duminy bowled some really tight spells when it looked like Aussie were gonna post big scores.

and Jeets and Danny >>>>>>>> Botha and Duminy


Aussie can't play finger spinners and NZ has arguably the best finger spinnner in the world, and another very good finger spinner.

The question is around NZ's batting (made more worse by the absence of Oram), but I think they'll be able to do it. NZ really just need to capitalise on the batting powerplay and at the end of the innings. Aussie have shown that they have no clue what to do in that situation.

oh, and it's just the aussie's being arrogant fucks.

I'm going to the Sydney ODI, and I will take great delight when NZ beat Aussie....

Apparently!


Neil: I watched the last 3 games and I was well impressed with Botha's spells. He bowled just like Danny does, with variation of pace and flight and he did it well.

Hopefully Danny will take them apart and the Black Caps would have picked up on all of Aussies weaknesses so exposed by the SAfricans.

was also impressed with Duminy's slow bowling. The big thing with us is, yeah, Danny can hold one end tight, but we need consistent support from the other end, bowling in partnerships is well important. TBH i want to see Jeetan in every game.

Yeah, I think this should happen too.

Not *every* game doofuses


I like Jeetan a lot too...but dont fall in love with what he could be... instead of what he is. In many conditions right arm finger spinners that dont chuck it are ALWAYS going to be complete cannon fodder in the modern ODI environment

I think the answer in Aussie for our main middle overs misery guts to compliment Danny could well be Mr OBrien

Yeah, agree with masty, Jeets is good *because* he only gets to play in conditions that suit him...

If Oram and Styris were playing, I'd say we have this almost wrapped up... but I don't think Oram's gonna get a game at all this series...

Without them, it's really too hard to call... so much depends on how the newbies come off. Even tho it was against the Windies, Guptill's debut was one of the best I've ever seen by a NZer. Smashing a 6 to bring up a century is the last thing you expect a NZ batsmen to do, let alone on debut! And Broom looked good as well.

Maybe we've improved our player development in recent years so our players are coming into international level with confidence.

Mills will be ripping Warner and Marsh out early every game (he loves left handers). Then we can strangle them with the spinners and maybe Ryder (doesn't Daniel Flynn bowl offbreaks too?).

wait, I thought you knew everything about cricket? Flynn bowls very innocuous slow medium pacers, but he's not even in the team.

Which is why he was bracketed, and not linked to the series.

When Flynn first broke into the ND team (I actually follow domestic cricket, unlike you), he bowled a fair bit more than he does now.
However I think I've actually mixed him up with someone else, because it was definitely an off-break allrounder (young) who was playing at the same time for ND.
Whose name completely slips my mind.

Grant Bradburn?



In terms of improving player depth, you can't read too much into it but teh NZ A side did do very well against India A and Australia A just recently. As McCullum said, our A team has beaten the Aussie A side a lot in recent years. Maybe this is why Aussie are struggling to bring in new players currently? Maybe their long perceived strength, their depth, is no more?


But yeah, I wouldn't read that far into it.

australia have no depth. I think that's conclusively been shown. They lose Stuart Clarke in the recent test series, and who do they replaced him with? Shit.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10554049



Godamnit! Ryder and potentially McCullum are out for this sundays game in Perth.

Its alright though folks....we are sending mighty OTAGO captain and hard man Craig Cumming!

Craig has been in great form with the bat this season, and tell you what his tricky military mediums will be totally unknown in Aust...he might be good for a little 3-0-12-1 somewhere in the mix

....

Well Im sure I convinced nobody with that little sentence, ButHay at least they didnt send Skippy Sinclair, looks like he has FINALLY been put out to pasture ....for good this time

I have like ....zero time for Gareth Hopkins though, we will def miss Brendon if hes unavailable

Excuse my ingorance/lazy research but wasnt there supposed to be a warm up game?

yeah i think we are playing the Justin Langer XI or some bollocks i was reading somewhere..

Prime Ministers XI and the game is tomorrow.




And I think Sinclair is still in the mix somewhere...

ozzy under 19 keeper set to play for NZ in game tomorrow.

its on now, we are 44/1

New Zealand tour of Australia
Prime Minister's XI v New Zealanders 2008/09 season


Played at Manuka Oval, Canberra, on 29 January 2009 (50-over match)




New Zealanders innings (50 overs maximum) R M B 4s 6s SR
BB McCullum not out 61 159 93 5 0 65.59
MJ Guptill c Christian b McKay 16 31 18 1 1 88.88
PG Fulton c Paine b McKay 53 85 79 5 0 67.08
LRPL Taylor not out 24 41 29 2 1 82.75
Extras (b 1, w 6, nb 1) 8

Total (2 wickets; 36.2 overs) 162 (4.45 runs per over)


Did not bat GD Elliott, NT Broom, KD Mills, DL Vettori, JS Patel, IE O'Brien, TA Boult


Fall of wickets1-31 (Guptill, 6.5 ov), 2-112 (Fulton, 27.1 ov)



Bowling O M R W Econ
CJ McKay 8 1 39 2 4.87 (2w)
J Behrendorff 8 0 21 0 2.62 (2w)
MC Henriques 5.2 0 35 0 6.56 (1nb, 1w)
DT Christian 7 0 32 0 4.57
JM Holland 7 0 29 0 4.14
GJ Bailey 1 0 5 0 5.00 (1w)

heh today then

Heh so it is!

We got 5/271 off our 50 overs.

Lost.



gc.

Fucking losers. Fucking absolutely losers.

So I'm guessing the team will be:

Ryder
McCullum
Guptill
Taylor
Fulton
Broom
Elliott
Vettori
Mills
Southee
O'Brien / Patel

Not sure what happens if Ryder can't play... I guess Guptill opens, and Cummings comes in at 3? The order starts to look really dicey then...

I think our batting will either smash huge scores or fail miserably. As usual so much depends on McCullum (and Ryder to an extent). Chasing is probably the best option.

Still pretty uncertain how this is going to pan out..

NZ do have a great chance of winning over there, but surely nobody thinks they're favourites? Even before the loss against the PM's XI, they were heavy underdogs imo.

Hope they can prove me wrong though and continue Ponting's summer from hell :>

sure... only mutant would be stupid enough to think they're favourites..

Ryder wont play until the 3rd ODI.

and i'm really sick of how fragile we are. I'm sure no other team in cricket starts series as consistently with weakened sides. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Bowling (apart from Vetorri) still looks to weak. Send Shane Bond over there. Make him wear a wig and a fake beard. Get the NZ government to issue a passport under a false name.

Shane bond is past it...

but looking at the scorecard for his last one-day game, I stumbled across this guy.

Neil Wagner (a 22yr old south africa)

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/233713.html

I'd say send him over...

# Dont think Wagner is eligible yet


# When he becomes eligible, he is no longer South African. he's from OTAGO

That's the young tearaway bowler I mentioned featured in a tv news article in another thread recently. Definitely looks the goods but he has a few more years to qualify yet.

Who the hell said we were favourites by the way???

I don't think this is entirely accurate at all either. Jeets often bowls in unfriendly bowling conditions because they see him as someone to tie the batsmen down when the conditions are unfirendly. Hence why you'll often see him bowl at Seddon Park or McCleans Park for example. He also often bowls at the death when batsmen are going after him so no I don't think he bowls only in favourable conditions at all.

Man, I hear that bro.

WTF is wrong with us, do we need to review the strength and conditioning/rehab programmes?

Its not *entirely* accurate....but its a hell of a lot more accurate than neil and jasons ridiculous notion that we should play Jeets for 5 games straight....which is what Mutant was responding to

Again...with the modern ODI game any right arm non chucking offies are going to struggle in all but THE MOST favourable conditions. AND With these new power play rules, you simply cannot bowl your offie when the PP's are on. Think about it, he's bowling gentle pace into the pads, where the hell are you going to place your 2 outside the circle fielders? Long on, fine leg and deep square are all pretty much compulsory...and now the game has all these reverse sweep addicts to contend with as well!

Bowl Jeets at any stage of the 15 overs of PP's? Fucking forget it. So his usefulness is entirely dubious imo

I think he will play one game in this series

You mean 3 fielders outside the circle...



Jeets has been used in the bowling power plays before but generally no, spinners should be spared from the power plays. Him running in tandem with Vettori offers up 20 overs of strangulation in the middle of the innings. This tactic worked really well for South Africa, it would be a pity not to emulate it as we've already seen the Aussies struggle with it.

So you agree that we should play Jeets 5 straight?

and yeah the 2 button is pretty close to the 3 roight

Botha did well in all 4 games so far. He even did well in during the fielding restrictions when he opened in the t20 game

This is the point im trying to make. He can do this job. Slower bowlers force the batsmen to do all the work hence take all the risk. Sure if someone is sighting him well then he'll get tonked, but no more so than our medium pace options. I also think you guys underestimate Jeetans variation, its not so much about bowling on spinner friendly pitches in one day mode, its about getting on to a spot that forces the batsmen to create somthing to score from. The current Aussie middle order a struggling with this, and seem only able to despatch bad balls which is not enough at this level. Medium pacers in the middle overs = easy to get away, easy to use the pace of the ball to play behind square, no need to go at the ball.

Botha did do very well, for the majority he had great fielding to support him too.

Jeetan is hot and cold- but when he's on he works well to cramp up the batsmen and make them work for their runs.

NZ are most likely going to go into this with just not enough decent game time lately. The Aussies have been playing SA for 5 full games and NZ managed only one full 50 over match against the Windies ...who aren't that great anyway.

Why should spinners be spared from the power plays? There is no evidence it's a bad idea

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ausvnz2008/content/current/story/388371.html

Mills could bat 7...

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/388319.html

on spinners in the middle overs


oh, and don't worry NZ. It's not like you're taking on the #1 team in the world. They're only #2 now...

Hmm... our attack on a good day is probably better than the one SA had in that match...

probably need to account for the psychological edge I guess, but the aussies aren't going to like backing up in 2 days time

I'm not sure that's 100% accurate.

So how many of that attack are in the top 10?

South Africa doesn't have any bowlers in the Top 10. Even if it fielded it's strongest attack there would be none in the top 10.

So I guess you're right. With NZ's far superior attack (two in the top 10, vs South African's 1 in the Top 20) I think they should easily smoke NZ. Looking at those rankings, NZ is definitely favourites. Australia only have 1 in the Top 20 too, so there attack should prove no difficulty to NZ's batting line-up.

So your attack on a GOOD day is better than a B-rated SA attack with a bunch of debutants

Well done sir.

your? don't you mean "our"?

I'm not sure it's entirely accurate either. South Africa have a well balanced attack with all bowlers able to chip in and do their part. Ours has two great bowlers, one average and a couple of strugglers trying to cement their place at the top level.

It was quite evident in this last series that with every bowling change that SA made, there was no let up in pressure. It's well known that Aussie's tactics against Vettori are to bat him out and attack the lesser bowlers at the other end...

That was exactly my point... i wasn't trying to say "NZ are better than SA"... I was just saying that that was a long way off SA's best attack, and Aussie *still* crumbled.. but you guys are obviously so insecure about your team, even tho they're now number 1, that you take everything as an insult.

NZ has a pretty decent attack, at least equivilent of what SA had in that game... IMO, stronger, as they're much more experienced. So it will be interesting to see how Aus goes against our attack....

LOL.. who says Vads knows nothing about cricket?

4 for 51!!!

Make that 54/5

Epic start. Needs more wicket now though.

Go NZ!! Ponting must surely be on the way out....

Haddin out! Good thing Mills was listening to me.

Vettori 10 Overs for 22 runs, showed great flight


Patel just got converted for a 6 though. Doh

Man Aussie are in big big trouble! There is blood in the water and every national time must be licking their lips to travel to Australia now!

Mills, Mills, magnificent Mills, can we have your children?

australia gonna get rolled for sub 175

havent seen that happen in a long time

Mmm, Black Caps haven't really gone for the jugular though. Aus look like they might bat out the 50.

Haha, Johnson bowled just as I clicked submit

Just better not screw up this run chase. They need a good positive start. Last thing NZ want is to piss around scoring slow then lose a couple of wickets and get into trouble.

Mills should open the batting!!

You could hear that knick from NZ

Disgraceful umpiring.

What happened to B-Mac pls? Was watching the tennis and saw "McCullum Unlucky" headline on cricinfo with no article.

massive inside edge, but given out lbw...

think my comments about our attack stand

guptill to win this for us

This is exactly what they needed to avoid. At least look to score some runs! Now they are two down for fuck all and they are making it harder for themselves.

yeah, a lot resting on luteru

can't believe how much i hate ian healy

SCORE SOME FUCKING RUNS!

This game will slip away from them if they piss around forever. Otherwise suddenly 10 more overs will overs will pass and they will need 6 an over.

well if we bat out the 50 overs, we will win.... that's what they're thinking.... got a powerplay don't forget

=/

fulton fail

=/

fulton fail

good chance for elliot to prove himself...

Are you familiar with Justin Langer? Just as much of a cheerleader IMO.

bloody hell our batting is fragile

Ugh, was listening to the ODI on Friday on the radio in the car, and he was commentating - going on about how if the Black Caps beat Aus it would be a miracle.

I thought he was being an arrogant wanker but unfortunately he might be right tonight

if they bat out of the 50 overs at this rate, then they'll lose. They look up, and next thing the Req Rate will be 6+ an over.

3 overs from Clarke for only 5 runs

Hussey bowling now from the other. Seriously need to pick up the pace to these part timers.

Can't rely on the powerplay. They run the risk of doing what Aussie did and losing wickets in a panic to smash boundaries.

22 RUNS OFF THE LAST 10 OVERS!!! ..with 5 of those overs bowled by part timers!

still think we're ok to win this, but not making it easy...

approx 84 runs off a 187 balls delivered





We are in Test Match Mode tonight

Yeah. It's still reasonably within reach. A few good overs and the required run rate would drop down. Key is just ticking over at 4-5 runs per over and not getting out.

i love how the aussies talk about the saffas like they are one of the best teams of all time.... they're so in denial about how average they are at the moment

Nice faceplant Bracken!

and healy goes on about what a great fielding effort it was

wtf.. not out!!!

FUCKEN CHEATIN AUSSIES

FUCKING CHEATING AUSSIES!!!!

Fuck you Haddin. Surely he would know he's hit the bails with his gloves.

Where's their spirit of the game?

That's two wickets NZ have lost that are bullshit.

do you just hate how good we are....

LOL. snap.

you could see on the replays haddin saw exactly what happened.... almost as bad as the collingwood episode... and we know what happened in that game

Next game when Haddin bats and McCullum is up at the stumps, he should kick the stumps and say "look, you just got bowled, now walk".