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Good things or bad thing?

Personally, I think they're both pretty abhorrent.

With Globalisation we see an ideology of one size fits all with an Western centric focus where corporations have the ability to influence governments, media and consumers on a global stage. And with Free Trade Agreements we see countries suddenly importing more than they export and local business getting shut down due to cheaper products coming in from international sources. And serious debt then ensues ...

I don't see how either of these things are in the best interests of the majority of the world. Yes, they do see a minority of people getting really rich off the expoitation of other countries and their citizens. Is it beneficial for the majority of the world though? Absolutely not. Is it fair that 20% of the worlds population consumes 80% of the resources? Or that a massive ammount of people worldwide are living in poverty and without clean drinking water, immunization, sustanence and sanitation? And, isn't this as a direct result of both globalisation and free trade agreements?

Now, I'm no acaedamic. Don't even have a degree. And, I'm sure a lot of people on here are far more educated, knowledgable and opinionated on this issue than your truely. I'm interested to hear what you have to say!
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Itchy said:
Now, I'm no acaedamic. Don't even have a degree. And, I'm sure a lot of people on here are far more educated, knowledgable and opinionated on this issue than your truely. I'm interested to hear what you have to say!


A free trade agreement generally favours both parties or govts wouldn't enter into them. At the very least it has to be of benefit to one or the other.

Please paint a picture of the world without globalisation or free trade as you see it.

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bob said:
Itchy said:
Now, I'm no acaedamic. Don't even have a degree. And, I'm sure a lot of people on here are far more educated, knowledgable and opinionated on this issue than your truely. I'm interested to hear what you have to say!


A free trade agreement generally favours both parties or govts wouldn't enter into them. At the very least it has to be of benefit to one or the other.

Please paint a picture of the world without globalisation or free trade as you see it.



Dude, you were bang on with your second sentence Free Trade never benefits both countries. It's always gonna be more beneficial to one. Case and point: When the Phillipines started the whole FTA with China and 5 other Asian countries their farmers went out of business as rice imported from China/Thailand was so cheap that the local economy leapt on it ... which was to the detriment of the local economy.

A world without globalisation or free trade would be one based on countries living sustainably and autonomously independent from worldwide corporations. It's not rocket sciience and the majority of developing countries used to do exactly this and be perfectly fine before FTA came into effect and globalisation started to run rampent.

It's not pie in the sky to think that globalisation and free trade is only benefitial to a small ammount of people ... and never the poorer ones who are from developiing countries? Is it?
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I meant that the FTA with the Phillipines was to the detriment of the local farmers
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Where did I say it never benefits both countries and why does free trade have to benefit absolutely everyone to be good? NET good.

Please paint a picture of the world without globalisation or free trade as you see it. And the affect on starving people et al.

I assume you arent suggesting all trade is bad only free trade agreements but that makes about as much sense as banning all trade.
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No, what you implied was that governments wouldn't enter into FTA agreements unless it benefitted both countries. Then you said that it obviously benefits one or the other.

Do you think all international trade agreements are benficial? Exactly who do you think they're benficial for?

What do you feel is responsible for the starvation of people around the world? Do you feel that this has nothing to do with globalisation and/or free trade?
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That is not what I said.

Lack of food.

Elaborate on the world without FTA and Globalisation meaning an end to world hunger - you do realise there was famine before such things?

ou are the one who said these things cause those things so you need to present evidence. So far your arguments focus on a few specifics and no understanding of why a FTA might exist.

Knew I shouldnt have replied.
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the theory is Itchy, that if countries produce what they are efficient at then everyone can benefit by having few trade barriers as goods flow from those who are efficient and presumably everyone has some competitive advantage on some things - whereas if everyone has to produce all they need (because they cant buy it off others due to trade restrictions) then it costs them more to make it than it would if they bought if off their more efficient neighbour.
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Yeah, but when both countries have some similar industries (ie: Phillipines and China) then Free Trade Agreements mean these industries are working in competition with who has the lower labour/production costs (or who has government subsidies in place like America). Consequently, this means that FTAs are hardly ever beneficial to both countries. An exception here would be Korea and NZ ... mainly cause we don't have competing industries in our countries.

Globalisation has only really become prevalent in the last 50 years. You thnk about it now, you can pretty much buy coke and McDs in just abotu any country and music, fashion, movies and even culture is becoming more and more based on what's happening in the United States. This is pretty much undeniable. Yes, obviously there were famines and droughts before globalisation, but nothing like what we're realy seein today ... and certainly nothing like where it's as preventable as today.

I keep puling this out over the years, but it's a good one:

UN study in 2003 found the cost of ensuring every single person worldwide having clean water, immunization against preventable disease, sanitation and basic nutrition is $50 Billion per year. 2010 budget for military and security for America is $668 Billion.

Does no one see a problem with this?

Peat: God forbid countries were able to live sustainably without needing to rely on importing stuff. Yeah, they might not be able to have everything under the sun, but why's that a problem if they able to live sustainably? I don't think you've defined what's good about Free Trade there. Free Trade is about expoitation which serves to benefit corporations. I jsut don't think you'll find many cases where it is of real benefit to both countries. Like I said before, if you look at the Philipines most of theiur farmers have gone out of business as a direct result of Free Trade ... you can't tell me that that is somewhoe beneficial?

Anopther thing we're seeing right now is, for teh first time EVER in history more people are living in cities. Urbanisation due to a lack of jobs in rural communities anymore as a result of Free Trade and globalisation has meant hoards of people have had to go to cities to look for work. And, this means in a lot of cases they're no longer to live sustainable off the land .... I can't back this one up - but isn't the majorit of corn world wide now controlled by a couple American companies? And have you noticed that pretty much no vegetable re-seed anymnore and you have to replace them / regrow them every year ... and because it's not cheap like it was when our parents did it most people just buy vegetables instead.
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globalisation is logical and inevitable imo

for it to be beneficial for all however our current economic model needs serious addressing - a vast cultural shift for all, which an't going to happen with our current power brokers

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Why do you think it's logical and inevitable? Do you think the world market should be just one and that everything should be Western Centric and under the umbrella of America .... or possibly China?

Do you think Globalisation is strongly linked to Imperialism, Capitalism and Corporatism? Don't you see any problem with this? It's interesting, cause the NZ media will never seriously touch on this, but if you just do a little digging in countries throughout Central and South America you don't have to look hard to find signs of serious expoitation by minority/developed countries.

There's no debate that Free Trade and Globalisation benefits some people. That's a given. But, does it benefit the majority of people in the majority of countries? Absolutely not. We're seeing more people in this day and age starving an dying from preventable diseasease and we've never ever been at a stage where it is more preventable or where we have the resources at our disposal to actualy make some difference ... but the people with the money, resources and power don't want anything to change. Why? Cause they benefit from the status quo as it is right now.
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logical for the reasons peat gives

I believe that we will eventually end up with a more global centric govt/administration that works to provide for all not just the lucky few.... the nation state coupled with the rise of corporates are the current game and one that can't last if the planet is to continue to be able to sustain our speices - I'm a dreamer Smile

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bob daktari said:
logical for the reasons peat gives

I believe that we will eventually end up with a more global centric govt/administration that works to provide for all not just the lucky few.... the nation state coupled with the rise of corporates are the current game and one that can't last if the planet is to continue to be able to sustain our speices - I'm a dreamer Smile



But Peat assumes that countries with Free Trade Agreements won't have competing industries. Everyone survived perfectly well without FTAs not so many years ago. You have to ask yourself, is it beneficial for both countries in every instance where there is a FTA now? Is it? NO!!!

Whien will this change you speak of happen? And what will need to happen for the change to happen? Corporations control the world in which we live in right now. Just have to look at the contracts which American companies have in Iraqi and throughout third world countries. What has to happen for not just "the lucky few" to be provided for? Do you think suddenly coroprations will start caring? What do you think will happen?

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I'm not talking about FTA - they only continue the imbalance between nations

The change I speak of may (will probably) never happen - the power elites work 24/7 to ensure it doesn't...
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oh I think corporations as they currently operate are a huge part of the problem, the only solution they will give us is a planet devoid of life
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Read this
www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10674891

It's all about the global overload people.
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Peat was talking about FTA though ... but yeah, agree with everything else you just said.
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bob daktari said:
oh I think corporations as they currently operate are a huge part of the problem, the only solution they will give us is a planet devoid of life


look on the bright side - a planet devoid of life is a planet devoid of corporates :/
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as they aren't living beings I am sure they'd 'live on'

some poor alien race will find earth and then be cursed by the fuckers
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Corporations are a reflection of society - they are any more or less likely to care than a minimum wage worker, a small business operator or professional. They may not however be a reflection of all the cultures they operate in.

I still havent seen you mention any problem that hasnt existed a long time before global corporations and free trade agreements. People are greedy, some people have power. If anything the way I see it is that global corporations are more answerable to criticism as its harder for them to hide, change. Just look at builders - everytime theres a housing crisis or quality issue they all just declare themselves bankrupt and/or leave the country. Group builders and construction companies are much more able to handle issues like that and stick around... to a point.

Corporations through economies of scale are more able to handle massive research projects and developments where a country or countries arent able to develop and support the infrastructure required to enable such things. Can you imagine NZ having to support an entire aeroplane industry, or egypt a dairy industry? Pretty much all the things we take for granted wouldnt be possible at the speed of development or low cost they are without multinational corporations. Cheap TVs, mobile phones/ networks that work in different countries. Computers, ipods, cars etc etc.

It doesnt mean their shouldnt be rules and I figure at some point you will get conventions on taxation and legal frameworks to handle them better but in the mean time a few big players are easier to influence than a multitude of cowboys.
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Do you really think big corporations are accountable to anyone? I really don't think they are. Whilst I could conceed that it might be a bit different in New Zealand on a global scale, massive international corporations like Monsanto and Halliburton answer to no one ... and actually the US government sets them up for success through their own policies.

I like this quote about globalisation:

"Hundreds of thousands of people are now convinced that it doesn't have to be this way; there is nothing inevitable about it. Globalisation is driven by a set of rules and self interested institutions that can be changed - if we have a democracy"

There in lies the problem though. The majority of the people have no real say in what goes on in the world. But you look at the WTO protests in 1999 and 2003 and you can see that people are rising and are no longer just accepting things.

When I was in Bolivia I saw people turn out to protest about the privatisation of water. I mean, who owns water? Can anyone start to charge for it? My mate in Wellington said their water is just included in rates. Apparently (someone correct me if I'm wrong) only in Auckland do you pay an amount dependent on how much you use.

So, while we're on this subject what are people's views on the World Bank, The International Monetory Fund and the WTO. Does anyone actually think these organisations do anything more than get developing copuntries into massive ammounts of debt for infrastructure that they just don't need and open them up for Free Trade Agreements that are never going to benefit them at all?
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Itchy said:

Globalisation has only really become prevalent in the last 50 years.


the benefits of trade have existed for centuries
colonialism is globalisation, again, its been here since forever





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So you reckon someone should be able to walk into your house off the street and help themselves to the water in your tap?

People dont own the water as such, just the pipes and infrastructure to collect it, clean it and deliver it to your tap. That has a cost and if it wasnt charged for people would over use it. Personally I think it should be a local body that provides and charges for it. I cant imagine water is free in wellington. Why should a family of 3 pay the same as a global corporation using water to treat pulp.

You really dont know enough to have an opinion worth discussing. Why not read the other side of the arguments presented properly. If you fill your head up with one sided junk you lose the ability to think for yourself.
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What about people who use public taps alll the time to have a drink? Shouldn't they be charged each time they go to use one? If you had to survive on "free" water fro public taps in Auckland it would\n't be hard at all to do it since we don't seem to have any concept of grey water (ie: water that is used to washing/toilets but not for drinking).

Rather than making one point at a time, you're more than welcome to actually say someting that'll give me a more informed opinion about this.

I'm pretty sure only Auckland pays for water on a per m2 basis. Like I said, I think in other cities in NZ it's just incorporated into rates. I'm sure that's just what my mate in Wellington said.

So, you think it's fair, when in 3rd world countries where they've never ever paid for water, it's alright start charging when they are already in an economic situation where they can't afford the basics? Yes, the infrastructure has set up costs, but is this something that should be simply absorbed by the government or passed down to the end user?
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Itchy said:
when both countries have some similar industries (ie: Phillipines and China) then Free Trade Agreements mean these industries are working in competition with who has the lower labour/production costs (or who has government subsidies in place like America). Consequently, this means that FTAs are hardly ever beneficial to both countries. An exception here would be Korea and NZ ... mainly cause we don't have competing industries in our countries.

I don't think you've defined what's good about Free Trade there. Free Trade is about expoitation which serves to benefit corporations. I jsut don't think you'll find many cases where it is of real benefit to both countries. Like I said before, if you look at the Philipines most of theiur farmers have gone out of business as a direct result of Free Trade ... you can't tell me that that is somewhoe beneficial?

Anopther thing we're seeing right now is, for teh first time EVER in history more people are living in cities.

the benefits of free trade wont be maximised when two countries have similar competitive advantage but there may still be some advantages for the non common sectors of industry. Your right but its not a strong point - just because not all countries can have FTA's that add value doesnt mean the ones that can shouldnt do so.
Subsidies ARE considered inappropriate when participating in FTA's - reducing tariffs (a form of subsidy) is what occurs when an FTA is agreed upon - often over an introductory time frame so the economies can adjust.
To understand you just need think about the maths a bit. If one country can produce a product at half the price because they have cheaper access to a raw material then it makes sense for that country to produce enoough for two countries and sell what it doesnt need at a reasonalbe price compared to the other country which will have much higher costs of production and so have to sell it at a higher price to make any margin OR of course have government subsidies to make the enterprise break even.
You grow bananas in Ecuador and I'll farm sheep in NZ and we'll trade.

The theory is that if someone goes out of business then there either isnt enough demand for their product OR someone else can produce it cheaper and of course it makes sense for the now unemployed person to be doing something else where their labour can be more productive.
Of course this is most rational and doesnt take into consideration labour immobility and social disruption etc. Thats why modern govts develop free trade agreements over years.
I'm not saying its all good but rationally there are supposed benefits. See any of my comments in the China FTA thread....
But yes, it can wipe out entire industries quite suddenly causing wide community dislocation. Think the english motor car industry pretty much got wiped out by Japanese car makers. So yes lots of northern towns in England had high unemployment but thankfully we're still not driving British cars ;+)
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Itchy said:
What about people who use public taps alll the time to have a drink? Shouldn't they be charged each time they go to use one? If you had to survive on "free" water fro public taps in Auckland it would\n't be hard at all to do it since we don't seem to have any concept of grey water (ie: water that is used to washing/toilets but not for drinking).

Rather than making one point at a time, you're more than welcome to actually say someting that'll give me a more informed opinion about this.

I'm pretty sure only Auckland pays for water on a per m2 basis. Like I said, I think in other cities in NZ it's just incorporated into rates. I'm sure that's just what my mate in Wellington said.

So, you think it's fair, when in 3rd world countries where they've never ever paid for water, it's alright start charging when they are already in an economic situation where they can't afford the basics? Yes, the infrastructure has set up costs, but is this something that should be simply absorbed by the government or passed down to the end user?


Public taps are a benefit to all. Not sure where you get this all the time bizzo from.

Water charged on m3 (as in cubic) basis, treated. Standard infrastructure daily charge is separate. It is in other ciities incorporated into rates and do they know how to waste it. Which means somebody has to treat it. Why not charge on user pays? Why expect subsidy for your profligacy? And Auckland nearly did run out of water and has had to rely on the Waikato for backup. We have dry hot summers. And the biggest population. And NZ'ers are like Americans - wasteful. And Aucklanders are NZ'ers...and....and...

So how do you propose the gummint absorbs the cost if end user is not charged in some way and remember in rates you are paying for the water, only in a different way?
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Its not our job to educate you when you cant even form a coherent discussion.
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I was more referring to the privatisation of water in 3rd world countries where the water isn't treated and people have never ever had to pay for it before now. I wasn't attemptiing to turn this into a debate about the cost of water in NZ.
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whatever but in third world countries where they never had to pay for it, it's likely they never had clean, running water out of a tap in the first place, that didn't give them any one of a number of diseases that helped diminish their life expectancy and contribute to their high infant mortality rate

so now they do and it costs money so they begin to pay for it and get used to the concept of paying for a service delivery with beneficial outcomes such as they could once only dream of

to, you know, one of them big, ugly, western, capitalist, multi-national conglomerates out to rape and enslave the third worlders n stuff
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he might be referring to those countries coerced into privatising their water company(s) to get IMF funding etc and the resulting rationalisation and sky rocketing prices and reducation in quality and services that these things seem to end up as - refer south america
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Thats not really globalisation or free trade though. Corruption perhaps... but just like everything else hes talking about the root has been around for as long as man has. Hell look at the East India Trading company that had its own soldiers or the communist (at times) Venetians who dominated the entire Mediterranean. The Romans had a good go at economic duress and trade.
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The chimp wrangler is bang on here. The World Bank basically forced Bolivias hand with the water privatisation to get them further into debt. BUT, in this case the people protested and their protests resulted in this deal not going through.

If you look at the IMF and World Bank it's hard to miss the fact that they're trying to get third world countries into serious debt ...

"So people don't want this model but they don't want to return to the past, a situation where few people make decisions in the name of the people, in the name of the country. They confused the well being of a nation with the well being of just a few people. And the war over water demonstrates that people are willing to build a new alternative where the people themselves are in charge of solving their own problems without closing their eyes to an alternative to a globalized world with a globalized economy. But where the relationships of exchange and investments are fairer, not like now. I believe that people are giving that message, and in the case of water we have decided to implement a solution where the people are the main protagonist, not politicians, not foreign investors, not those interests. Of course we're going to need investment, we're going to need the money, it's a poor country without the resources to find solutions to its problems. But it needs to be an investment that is transparent like water so we can see who has the costs and who has the benefits and how it benefits and costs both groups. We have inherited a company like all public corporations with technical problems, with financial problems, with legal problems, and with administrative problems, and we are facing these problems. This new societal project is not just a social or economic project but a political one. It has to do with people making decisions about their own problems and finding solutions. If we show that simple working people are capable of solving their problems, we can be at the point of asking that everything that was privatized, everything that was sold, everything in the hands of the corporations be returned to the hands of the people."
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Free trade is actually relatively harmful to countries in superior positions.
Just look at how the relative positions of (for example) the UK, Russia, Germany, France etc. have dropped in global affairs vis a vis India, China etc since say 1880/1890.

What globalisation does is allow those starting way back to watch up with the front runners. In other words, those idiots outsourcing American manufactures to China for a few extra profits for 25-50 years (at most) have actually condemned themselves to an inferior position from say 2050 onwards.
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Itchy said:


Globalisation has only really become prevalent in the last 50 years. You thnk about it now, you can pretty much buy coke and McDs in just abotu any country and music, fashion, movies and even culture is becoming more and more based on what's happening in the United States. This is pretty much undeniable. Yes, obviously there were famines and droughts before globalisation, but nothing like what we're realy seein today ... and certainly nothing like where it's as preventable as today.


Are you retarded? Where do you think the food that fed Rome came from? Why did every city in the Roman Empire build from the same basic fashion? Globalisation is NOT new. Potatoes. Tobacco. Coffee.
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Plenty of good points there Itchy.

Without really entering the argument here are two passages from Giovanni Arrighi (2000) on the topic which I think are interesting. The first considers some of the social impacts of the current round of globalisation. The second looks at how globalisation is currently undermining the power of the west, and may be part of a global shift of truly historic proportions.


"In sum, the offensive against workers' rights that has characterized the present wave of globalization is rooted in world-historical circumstances that are radically different from those of the nineteenth century wave of globalization. Although the presence of a large and growing number and variety of multinational corporations is one of the circumstances that are different, this is not the difference that has prompted the offensive. In order to understand the offensive and its prospective consequences, we must focus on the difference in
power relations not between states and capital but betweenWestern states and non-Western peoples. We must focus, that is, on the fact that in the nineteenth century wave of globalization, the power of Western states vis-a-vis non-Western peoples was high and still rising, whereas in the present wave it is lower and declining further."


"What happened since (the thirteenth century) is that European states gradually conquered the world and turned it into a new, denser and stronger system centered on Europe itself. Although the center of the expanding system 'migrated' from country to country and
eventually to North America, it remained within a common cultural zone that excluded African, Latin American, and Asian powers. And even though the economic and political institutions of the core underwent significant transformations, they remained within a tradition which was culturally Western. The social sciences have been part of this tradition and became so fixated on "studying the persistence and evolution of the 'modern' worldsystem that we are unprepared to understand what we sense may be its break-up or at least its radical transformation.

The perception that something radical may be happening in this respect is obscured by the fact that many of the former colonies of Europe in Africa and the Middle East, after gaining their independence in the wake of World War II, have actually been demoted in the world system. The perception was obscured further by the self-proclaimed "triumph of the West" in the Cold War--a claim that forgets that the USSR was no less part of the Western cultural tradition than the USA and that the Cold War was primarily a Western civil war. Nevertheless, as previously noted, the deflation in the power of many non-Western states, and further centralization of the power resources of the historic West, has been accompanied by an economic empowerment of states far removed from the traditional power centers of the West that has no precedent in the modern era. The empowerment is still surrounded by much uncertainty, as witnessed by the ongoing East
Asian financial crisis. But crises of this kind have been typical of all emerging centers of world capitalism, including the United States during and after the Crash of 1929-31.

As Abu-Lughod suggests, embryonic as this change still is, it may well be a sign that "the old advantages that underlay the hegemony of the West are dissipating". Although the centralization of means of mass destruction in US hands is unprecedented, the United States has neither the human nor the financial resources needed to translate that centralization into effective global power. And while none of the East Asian states that have grown rich under the carapace of US hegemony can even remotely challenge the US militarily, neither are any of them prepared to "write a blank check", let alone spill blood, to ensure the continuation of US militarysupremacy.

Instead of witnessing the usual fusion of a higher order of military and financial power that has characterized all past replacements of one leadership by another at the commandingheights of world capitalism, we are witnessing a fission that leaves global military power heavily concentrated in the hands of the declining Western hegemon and concentrates global financial power in East Asian hands (Arrighi, 1994, Epilogue). Under these circumstances, to paraphrase Abu-Lughod, it is indeed hard to imagine that the era of Western hegemony will be superseded by a new form of world conquest. And it does indeed seem more likely "that there will be a return to the relative balance of multiple centers exhibited in the thirteenth-century world system". Such a return would inevitably require "a shift to different rules of the game, or at least an end to the rules Europe introduced in the sixteenth-century."
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I actuallly need to write an essay based around globalisation ... might chuck it up when I'm done so you all can critique the fuck out of it and tell me it's shit Laughing
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vadinho said:
Free trade is actually relatively harmful to countries in superior positions.
Just look at how the relative positions of (for example) the UK, Russia, Germany, France etc. have dropped in global affairs vis a vis India, China etc since say 1880/1890.

What globalisation does is allow those starting way back to watch up with the front runners. In other words, those idiots outsourcing American manufactures to China for a few extra profits for 25-50 years (at most) have actually condemned themselves to an inferior position from say 2050 onwards.


most company's retain their R+D and industrial design stuff in their homeland though and just outsource the manufacturing. Theoretically most of the value is in those retained areas
But perhaps the knowledge leaks and slowly everyone acquires the technology which undercuts the value of being designer- is that what you mean?

And
I saw this link today - stunningly relevant
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-fletcher/america-aping-britains-hi_b_735967.html
America Aping Britain's Historic Decline Through Free Trade
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About 2700 words (3000 - 10%). If you want to read it and tell me it's crap feel free Smile

‘Globalisation is intrinsically undemocratic because of the processes of decision-making on social and economic policy issues no longer lie within the control of national governments but with the goodwill of transnational organisations'

Globalisation has seen many benefits bestowed upon a large number of people: International travel, media, communication, access to technology and the ability to purchase international products. This has been extremely advantageous for a minority of people and countries who have reaped the financial benefits and rewards from a world that now embraces individualism, capitalism, corporatism, consumerism, materialism and the idea that a robust economy should precede everything else. Globalisation has also meant that a wide range of people, both from developing and developed countries, have had themselves, their countries and their labour exploited to the point of decimating and destroying all sense of sustainability and autonomy within local communities. With an ever widening gap between those who have access to resources and wealth and those who do not, it has to be asked, exactly who does globalisation really benefit?

This essay will critically examine the above claim by breaking down and deconstructing the ideas around globalisation, the processes around social and economic policy making and what democracy means. It will also argue that transnational organisations dictate from an exploitive top down imperialistic stance which lies at the very essence of critiquing this statement.

Throughout these writings there will be a predominant focus on economic globalisation specifically, due to the prevalent connections between corporations and countries’ economic and social policies. Furthermore, the agendas of organisations such as the World Bank, International Monetary Fund and World Trade Organisation will be focused on to support the premise that globalisation is strongly linked to capitalism and the imperialistic ethos of countries like the United States.

Ife believes that globalisation is inherently about an economic process which puts the values of human rights, social justice and sustainability far behind the needs of the economy. The premise is that the economy should always come first and supporting this are the ideologies that the world has unlimited resources, a never ending supply of new markets and an endless quantity of labour to exploit (Cavanagh & Mander, Ed, 2004).

At an international level globalisation can be seen manifesting itself throughout different countries in two predominant ways: Diversity amongst nations has been steadily reduced and replaced with a homogenisation of consumerism where certain global products have infiltrated national borders with corporate marketing focused on a belief that all people should want the same products and lifestyle as the predominantly Western-centric exporters. The other way in which it can be clearly seen is through the capitalist market. The ideology that a robust economy relies on capitalism which in turn relies on the exploitation of a cheap labour market for the financial benefit of corporations ensures that people in third world countries remain in an oppressive state of dependent employment. Internally within countries globalisation is also evident from the ever widening gap between the rich and poor. This is exemplified in countries such as the United States where company CEOs in 2000 earned 458 times more than the average worker (Andreson, Barker, Glodsmith et al, 2004).

Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) defined democracy as being “Government of the people, by the people, for the people”. The essence of democracy centres on the ideals of equality, freedom, social justice and human rights. One key point is the ability of people to individually and collectively have a voice and the ability to have self determination with their lives. Conversely, undemocratic must be the antithesis of this, where none of these values are adhered to, nor do the majority of people have any real voice about policies or issues which may directly affect them.

The End Of The Free Market argues that globalisation is as a result of a world wide demand by the majority and that it has “… lifted millions out of poverty and into an emerging global middle class” (Bremmer, 2010, p 24). What this statement fails to take into account are the people who have been oppressed and exploited to see this rise be possible for the minority. Bremmer also raises concerns about State Capitalism from governments other than America threatening America’s ability to benefit from free market capitalism. This illustrates an imperialistic attitude where autonomy and sustainability are not desired as they will not be of benefit to the ideologies supporting an oppressive dictator.

Bremmer (2010) also puts forth the argument that the United States operates from a mixed capitalism paradigm and claims that only countries like China and Russia indulge in laissez-faire style capitalism in which markets are controlled by those with the most to gain from exploiting them (Bremmer, 2010). Ironically, this is in complete disparity to the United States own foreign policies implemented by their government.

Globalisation has seen a huge surge over the last 50 years with the worldwide media promoting values which support the production and consumption of certain products worldwide and intrinsically dictate the very values of a Western Centric model where success becomes determined more so by what you own individually, rather than what you give or do for others. It has been repeatedly drilled into societies over time that people are not equal, that they shouldn’t be equal and that it is acceptable for those with power to steam roll over the planet and exploit some for the benefit of others.

Whilst it could be argued that capitalism and globalisation provide employment where there is a demand for it, it can also be shown that the participation in this by groups of locals is intrinsically undemocratic, disempowering and unsustainable. Due to capitalism relying on a minority of people dictating conditions to a disempowered and dependent labour market it is undeniable that this process as it exists is undemocratic in its process and outcomes.

Trade liberalism has removed National barriers, subsidies and tariffs to ensure an even market place for international products. However, the culture of this does not acknowledge the ability of local markets to operate in a competitive, sustainable and autonomous way when in direct competition with a global market. The ideologies directly supporting this are that there will be prosperity for all, that developing countries will financially benefit as much as developed countries, and that social justice and equality will flow on from capitalism and the development of a vigorous and unregulated global economy. (Ife)

By deconstructing the moot point we are faced with the ideal that transnational corporations, which operate in multiple countries, control the policy making of governments and that this in itself is done in an undemocratic way due to decisions being made by few, with the voice or concerns of many never being a mitigating factor. Furthermore to this, the “goodwill” that transnational corporations show is almost always to the benefit of only themselves, and rarely sees any real advantages for the vast majority, who are oppressed and exploited by the economic and social policies of their own governments.

Due to Free Trade Agreements between countries and the involvement of the World Bank, International Monetary Fund and World Trade Organisation globalisation has seen social and economic policy issues become entwined with the agendas of transnational organisations. Economic policies implemented by governments always take the forefront to social policies; if an economy has to come first and transnational companies stand to benefit from the implementation of certain economic policies by governments, it is reasonable to conclude that social policies will become watered down and be of little real benefit to local communities themselves. On the contrary it could be argued that social policies which are influenced by transnational organisations driving economic policies disempower communities and ensure that people remain where they are, do not have a voice and are not able to provide resistance or even be informed about the processes around them. Lin (200Cool goes as far as stating “The WTO has faced scathing criticism for the free trade policies that have accelerated globalization and the integration of a worldwide capitalist free market economy.”

The IMF, WTO and World Bank all arguably follow pre determined agendas of powerful countries like America and transnational corporations who stand to directly benefit from Free Trade Agreements and money loaned out to poor nations. Two prime examples of multinational corporations dictating policy agendas and benefitting directly from World Bank and IMF decisions are Halliburton and Bechtel winning contracts in Iraqi after the America invasion in 2003 (Anderson, Barker, Goldsmith et al, 2004) and Monsanto having a monopoly over agriculture in America and a desire to “…achieve worldwide market supremacy, regardless of the social cost to small farmers and rural economies.” (Griffin, 200Cool

The WTO was initially set up at the Bretton Woods Conference in 1944 to prevent depression after World War II (Cavanagh & Mander, Ed, 2004). Whilst the idea was to help out countries with finances in frugal times the almost immediate agenda of America and transnational corporations was to dictate who received money and under what conditions. Although the IMF, WTO and World Bank may claim that they strengthen countries’ economies and reduce their debt there are rampant examples of countries that have been loaned money falling into serious debt when they have been dubiously advised to spend money on infrastructure that they don’t need. Subsequently a large percentage of their GDP goes directly back to alleviating this rather than being reinvested into their own country or being of benefit to their people. The magnitude of their debt remains such that their exploitation by America becomes an expected status quo that they are eventually forced to accept. Over the years there has been a steady move of solidarity by grass roots level protesting and the rejecting of the ideology of these three organisations. WTO talks on Free Trade were disrupted in Seattle in 1999 and Cancun in 2003; whilst Miami in 2003 had the Free Trade Agreement of Americas talks disturbed and stopped (Cavanagh & Mander, Ed, 2004).

Free Trade Agreements between governments were initially set up via the WTO with the intention of opening up international boarders and allowing the flow of produce into countries, without attracting tariffs on international products or government subsidies for local products. Retrospectively, Free Trade Agreements were never going to be prosperous for both countries and certainly would never amount to equality between local markets producing local goods and international markets with lower costs producing cheaper goods. Paradoxically, instead of creating an environment beneficial for both countries the consequence of having cheaper international goods readily available was that local companies suffered and in many instances closed due to not being able to compete with the cheaper products that were now available. These Free Trade Agreements are examples of capitalism and neo-liberialism manifesting themselves through policies that ardently emphasise the importance of economic growth and prosperity at the expense of true equality and social justice. This in itself is an example of transnational companies exerting undemocratic power and control over the influencing of policies which see direct financial benefits to themselves, whilst majority or developing countries, and their citizens, are exploited and oppressed as a result of this process.

An exception we can see with Free Trade is when both countries do not have competing industries. The Free Trade Agreement between New Zealand and Korea provides an example of a lack of competition between industries ensuring that both countries see benefit from such an agreement. Conversely, if we look at the Free Trade Agreement that the Philippines has with other Asian countries we can unequivocally see that Free Trade has resulted in local farmers failing due to not being able to compete with cheaper imported agricultural products. In this sense it is illustrated that Free Trade has reduced the ability of people to live sustainably off their own land whilst being able to generate an income.

The World Bank directly contributed to Panama’s insurmountable debt from the construction of the Panama Canal. This was documented by John Perkins (2004) in Confessions of an Economic Hitman. This project was undertaken in 1914 after advice from the US determined that Panama would potentially benefit economically from this new infrastructure being built by the US. Adversely, apart from the construction costs funded by the WTB going immediately offshore to America who did all the construction, Panama to this day uses a large percentage of the money from their economy to pay back this debt. Current statistics show pre 2004 70% of Panama’s GDP went to cover the debt they had incurred; currently 45% will contribute to this debt until 2014; at which stage it will be reduced to 35% (Sabo, 2010). As a direct result of the World Bank supporting the funding of this, the Panamanian people are some of the poorest in the world. This provides an excellent example of undemocratic top bottom dictatorship from an imperialistic country with direct links not only to transnational corporations but also to the World Bank and IMF. On one hand the Panama Canal is now back in the full ownership of Panama, but the debt related to the construction, upgrade and maintenance of this amounts to 5 billion per year (Sabo, 2010) and will ensure that Panama will be locked in debt and able to be controlled due to this for many generations to come. Even though Panama now retains control and ownership over the canal, it has given the US a real opportunity to exploit Panama as a country. This can be observed through the mining concessions that have been granted and the 2003 Debt-For-Nature swap which occurred, passing on 320,000 acres of Panama rainforest to the US for a reduction of Panamas debt by $10,000,000USD (Nature.org, 2010).
Whilst NGOs strive to empower people and address the issues of disparity and equality in local communities there remains a need to ensure that Community Development policies are monitored from independent bodies. Implementing imperialistic top bottom strategies where communication breaks down between the provider and recipient of the service and a pre determined agenda comes to dominate what the NGOs want to achieve, can only lead to an undemocratic process. Examples of this can be seen in some developing countries where NGOs have a foreign agenda to adhere to which will not lead to sustainable and ecologically sound development (Ife).

This essay has defined globalisation and democracy and illustrated how this does (or doesn’t) manifest itself through a democratic process. It has shown how transnational corporations exert a huge amount of power and control over policy making and how there are obvious links between supranational organisations and countries such as the United States who have pre determined agendas about their role in the world.

Evidence shows that an unequal distribution of power and access to resources has seen a minority of people acquire a majority of the wealth worldwide. Consequently, the minority have become financially rich compared to the vast majority of people in the world, and this status quo is maintained by people living subserviently and acting as cogs in the capitalist wheel of the juggernaut which ensures that what they do directly benefits those who control them. Whilst it can be argued that some Free Trade Agreements can be beneficial to some people, this has to be balanced against the conclusion that it has also seen a wider income gap developing between international countries and nationals within the same country.

Capitalism, urbanisation and globalisation have created the world in which we live, but the question has to be asked: Is this world any better or are people any happier than in the past? Has sustainability, holism, autonomy and empowerment become the unwanted bastard child of capitalism and globalisation? When such large numbers are living below the poverty line and without access to basic human needs like clean water, immunisation and sanitation, while a small minority hugely benefit from the exploitation of other people and developing countries, you really have to wonder if things have in fact got better for mankind as a whole over the last 50 years or if humanity is in fact quickly digging itself an early grave.

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This essay is pretty good Itchy, you have collected together an impressive number of points.

However, I think the major weakness of your argument is that some of the claims you make are too strong for the volume of evidence you present. I would have liked to see more examples to back up some of your points (particularly because i think that examples can be provided). Where you have presented examples they are good ones and contribute a lot to your argument.

My major theoretical disagreement is that I do not think US power has been Imperialistic. US hegemony in the world system has ushered in the the greatest period of decolonisation the world has ever seen. The US power you talk of (as you demonstate) has operated through the Bretton Woods organisations and transnational corporations in concert, but this is definitely not Imperial power as was weilded by the British for example who colonised nations and actively suppressed them through more than simple economic manipulation.

I will come back with some more detailed feedback later. You will get a lot of flack for this essay, people will not like capitalism being portrayed in this light. But it deserves to be. By the way, Bremmer, is this Brenner (ie Robert Brenner)?
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Thanks, good feedback. I know I'll wear some flack posting anti globalisation anti capitalism stuff on biggie .... but that's to be expected when a lot of people on here either benfit directly from it or have well paying jobs in a capitalist market and will just think I'm some idealiistic and naive left wing hippy ... which is fine as I don't post on here to get kudos from everyone!!

Oh yeah, I'm sure it's super obvious, but I had to critiqually analyze the statment ‘Globalisation is intrinsically undemocratic because of the processes of decision-making on social and economic policy issues no longer lie within the control of national governments but with the goodwill of transnational organisations'

I always find it easy to write and chuck my own 2c in about just about any topic .... backing it up with theory and referencing .... that i find more hard!

The End Of The Free Market
Ian Bremmer
2010
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I've realised that I copy/pasted this before I fully completed it so there are a few fuck ups and some of teh in text referencing isn't correct ... so don't pull me up on that
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OneHappy said:


I would have liked to see more examples to back up some of your points (particularly because i think that examples can be provided).



Can you give me an idea where you think more examples would be good? I'm still under my 3000 word limits so pretty open to suggestions on whatv can be improved.
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Just a few ideas for references/examples/data:

Itchy said:
Globalisation has also meant that a wide range of people, both from developing and developed countries, have had themselves, their countries and their labour exploited to the point of decimating and destroying all sense of sustainability and autonomy within local communities.
Maybe something looking at the impact on living conditions of the peasantry of moving into a wage labour economy compared to having control over thier means of production; i.e the process of "dispossession."

Itchy said:
With an ever widening gap between those who have access to resources and wealth and those who do not, it has to be asked, exactly who does globalisation really benefit?
Would definitely be good to have some data here on changes in the global share of weath if you can find it.

Itchy said:
This is exemplified in countries such as the United States where company CEOs in 2000 earned 458 times more than the average worker (Andreson, Barker, Glodsmith et al, 2004).
Good example. Would be even better if you could show how the gap is increasing.
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I reckon you got your point of view wrong :p

However as OH said, you certainly overstate your position given the amount of quality of evidence you provide. It really reads like you have an opinion and then find selected facts to back it up. Usually if you are trying to convince someone of a position you start with all the facts and then make a conclusion discounting the ones you decide dont fit.

If you have a loonie left lecturer you will probably be ok though. This isnt Business in Society is it I cant remember the guys name but he was as loonie and arrogant as they come.
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peat said:
I saw this link today - stunningly relevant
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-fletcher/america-aping-britains-hi_b_735967.html
America Aping Britain's Historic Decline Through Free Trade


While I agree that the British free-trade regime eventually benefitted America more than the UK, this was only true once Britain had entered its period of decline after 1873. Prior to then free-trade was a source of competitive advantage for Britain. But once this advantage began to decline Britian was relatively powerless to address the situation by adopting protectionism. British businesses, primarily flexible small and medium sized companies, operated best in a free trade environment and would have suffered because of the disruption of their networks of foreign and empire based suppliers and outlets.
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vadinho said:
Free trade is actually relatively harmful to countries in superior positions.
Just look at how the relative positions of (for example) the UK, Russia, Germany, France etc. have dropped in global affairs vis a vis India, China etc since say 1880/1890.

What globalisation does is allow those starting way back to watch up with the front runners. In other words, those idiots outsourcing American manufactures to China for a few extra profits for 25-50 years (at most) have actually condemned themselves to an inferior position from say 2050 onwards.


most company's retain their R+D and industrial design stuff in their homeland though and just outsource the manufacturing. Theoretically most of the value is in those retained areas
But perhaps the knowledge leaks and slowly everyone acquires the technology which undercuts the value of being designer- is that what you mean?

And
I saw this link today - stunningly relevant
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-fletcher/america-aping-britains-hi_b_735967.html
America Aping Britain's Historic Decline Through Free Trade


Sure, but R&D is largely irrelevanty here. By outsourcing what you're doing is giving that company's economy a shot of adrenalin. India and China would not have the influence they have today if the west hadn't sold its soul for forty pieces of silver.

Outsourcing makes money for individuals, but harms countries in relative terms. To use a very simple analogy, imagine my country has an economic strength of 100, and your country has one of 10. Now, by outsourcing I may increase my economy to say 150 but I do the same (if not more) to yours making the ratio 150:60 rather than 100:10 - relative power declines.
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OneHappy said:
Just a few ideas for references/examples/data:

Itchy said:
Globalisation has also meant that a wide range of people, both from developing and developed countries, have had themselves, their countries and their labour exploited to the point of decimating and destroying all sense of sustainability and autonomy within local communities.
Maybe something looking at the impact on living conditions of the peasantry of moving into a wage labour economy compared to having control over thier means of production; i.e the process of "dispossession."


Sorry, but that's totally incorrect. If you look at both India and China, globalisation has allowed them to become world powers. How can you say they've been "exploited" when the result of their work has been a massive rise in national power?
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vadinho said:
If you look at both India and China, globalisation has allowed them to become world powers. How can you say they've been "exploited" when the result of their work has been a massive rise in national power?

Yes clearly China in particular has ultimately gained in the last few decades (as has East Asia in general). But the picture for the global south as a whole may be more variable. Other states I think have fallen. And, I am not sure of the the overall pattern during the period of US power from 1950 - 2010. There have for example been periods during this time when wage levels in the south have increased, and other times when conditions have sharply deteriorated. Also the absolute and the relative gap needs to be considered.
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Income of the richest 20% of world population:
1960: 70 times that of the poorest 20%
1989: 140 times that of the poorest 20%

http://www.pcdf.org/1995/bretton.htm
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And that means? The rich have more money... doesnt mean the poor dont have better access to the essentials of life, of which money is not one.
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A world in which most people can now enjoy a good supply of the peanuts necessary for bare survival, while others can fritter away the planets finite resources is unjust, and it is one that is headed for disaster. In my opinion.

Mind you, it would be interested to see more recent figures. One aspect of the pattern, from recollection, is that the very small group right at the top, the 1%, are doing better, at the expense of the rest of the top 20%.
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OneHappy said:
Income of the richest 20% of world population:
1960: 70 times that of the poorest 20%
1989: 140 times that of the poorest 20%

http://www.pcdf.org/1995/bretton.htm[/quote]

That's not a "state based" measure though

I posit the following - if instead of going free trade, the UK / Germany / France / USA etc had decided to keep colonies despite the cost of those colonies, then China / India / most of the third world would be in a worse position (relatively) today than is the case

I don't count the South American colonies because they liberated themselves fair and square, but even there a bit of imperialist selective trading could have been the goer


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OneHappy said:
A world in which most people can now enjoy a good supply of the peanuts necessary for bare survival, while others can fritter away the planets finite resources is unjust, and it is one that is headed for disaster. In my opinion.

Mind you, it would be interested to see more recent figures. One aspect of the pattern, from recollection, is that the very small group right at the top, the 1%, are doing better, at the expense of the rest of the top 20%.


But that's natural, look at the French pre revolution and the English before parliament was properly established.

Its fine to quote the monetary side but it is just an arbitrary value (which due to inflation will always spread) but I would be interested in real world measures like access to clean drinking water, education, enough food etc. Which, while affected by population growth is a better measure than having $10 or $20 in their wallet.
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One key point people seem to be missing is that whilst the rich have got richer and countries have done really well, the majority of people who are poor have stayed poor and not actually moved forward in anyway ... it's not like the majority are better off, they're worse off while a minority are financially getting better.

And the other thing people are missing, is that if countries were left to live sustainably out of their own means and with their own resources (cause that's totally possible) they wouldn't find themselves in the debt they are now in.

China didn't use to be part of the global economy and things worked for them. India now doeswell cauise of a low cost labour market .... but you need to remember that thisisn't benficial for most Indians at a ground level .... and in fact it only means that a lot of people are being expoited for a capitalist market and not able to live on their own terms.
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Wow. Do you have *any* evidence to back those statements up?

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Sure I could find some, but doesn't it just make sense.?Worldwide, do you think there are more people living above or below the poverty line? Do you thin k the gap between rich and pooor is increasing or decreasing? I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist of amazing reasearcher to acknowledge that there are waaaay more poor people in the world than rich. I'm not even talking about people living in absolute poverty, just people who are fucken poor and forced to earn a really bad income whilst a minority of the people in their country are just kiling it financialy. I think I quoted somewhere in my essay that in 2000 in America the average CEO arned 458 times more than the average worker. That's case and pint right there!

What other part are you calling me on?

Keep in mind, I'm doing a pretty left wing Social Practice (Social Work) degree ... I'm reasonably confient that with a few tweaks here and there that essay wil be an A. I do see what you're syaing though, but I've tried to present not just one argument. Lecturers said for a critical essay you can't just put forth one sie, but it's fine to take a stance as longas you're provoding eveidence from both sides ... but then it's alaso OK to present other eveidence and then rip it to bits or discredit it.
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bob said:
Wow. Do you have *any* evidence to back those statements up?


Itchy has actually provided a lot more fact and data than you have so far.
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Itchy - If you are doing a lefty paper then yeah you might get a decent mark. But as both myself and your lecturer have said - you need to present both sides then draw a conclusion not draw a conclusion then ignore contrary evidence.

OneHappy - I'm not the one making wild assertions or writing a formal essay, I simply asked the question if he had evidence and his response says it all.

Point in case - china has had formal trade rules with Britain from at least 1760. And international trade as far back as 3000 years. How can you say china was a closed economy? Silk and "China".
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As for india - globalisation has been a major boon for them Indians travel overseas as migrant workers because there are few jobs for them at home and the caste system keeps many of them in rather shitty jobs.
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A few other points Itchy:

I don't think in your essay you define or describe generally what globalisation and free trade are. Also it would be good to see a quick review of the history of free trade where you could note that through most of its history the USA was highly protectionist ,but what is it today? I know the USA has promoted the idea of free trade, but at the same time it is still to some extent protectionist. It certainly has not done what Britain did in the ninteenth century with a unilateral declaration of free trade.

Also, why do states enter into free trade agreements that don't benefit them, or at least some sectors of their population? Whose interests are at stake when agreements are made, and what 'force' is bought to bear in the negotiations?

You mention states buying infrastructure they dont need. Aside from the Suez Canal, can you give other examples?

I think that one of the primary reasons there is opposition to free trade is that it can reduce the price of labour, with states being forced to either reduce wages or loose an entire sector of industry when a transnational decides to move off shore. I think you refer to this, but I'm not sure if you explicity spell out the connection. It can give competitive advantage to states that exploit labour. Although its not as simple as that, eg Chinese workers cycle to work, US workers drive, that's one small reason why China is more competitve.
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bob said:
Point in case - china has had formal trade rules with Britain from at least 1760. And international trade as far back as 3000 years. How can you say china was a closed economy? Silk and "China".


The great problem for the UK prior to them forcing open the Chinese market through the early and mid-ninteenth centruy Opium Wars was that the Chinese market was largly closed to the West. But worse than this, Chinese silk, porcelain (spices and tea too I think, although I guess by that time the British were well supplied by India) were in high demand in europe, and in effect China was a massive drain on European silver and gold.
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For sure so you could say that globalisation was a boon for china and India. Though it benefited the British trading companies too.

Then England went and developed its own fine china industry and revolutionised the process by using scientific management (job separation).
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bob said:
For sure so you could say that globalisation was a boon for china and India.


I wouldn't rush to that conclusion too quickly. India was colonised, its wealth became the "jewel in the British crown" and it provided the UK with a colonial army that fought numerous wars on behalf of the interests of the British Empire.

China in the early ninteenth century was far wealthier than Europe to the point that it was a source of great envy. Militarily however it was weak, and the British quickly bought it to heel to suit their economic needs. China then became an economic joke, it suffered over one hundred years of backwardness because of western intervention. Only now China is reemerging as the power it once was. 'Globalisation', if you take that to mean integration into the global market has been a very mixed blessing for China.
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Thanks Onehappy, good points t think about ...

bob said:
As for india - globalisation has been a major boon for them Indians travel overseas as migrant workers because there are few jobs for them at home and the caste system keeps many of them in rather shitty jobs.


Keep in mind that Indians who belong to lower castes will live and die in that caste and certainly won't have any opportunity to better themselves by going abroad. Fact is, Indian people simply don't have the social mobility that you miight come to expectr in Western countries. You're talking about Indians who are relatively well off and can afford to make this move ... fact is, the vast majority of them can't. Yes, globalisation has been advantageous for some Indians, but huge numbers are still exploited for their low labour costs in sweat shops and even where overseas businesses have outsourced work (ie: call centres) to India just because of how cheap it is.

For the first time in history there are now more people living in cities that rural areas. This urbanisation is another really good example of globalisation stopping people sustainably living off the land (think Monsanto, industrialised agriculture, FTAs where lower agriculture costs mean local farmers can't compete).

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There was an interesting link from TED someone posted a while ago Itchy, looking at the environmental advantages or urban living. The only one I recall was it tends to reduce birth rates very quickly, but there was a collection of others.
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Cheers. Reduction in birth rates due to everyone having no time to sex it and have families due to work commitements?!
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The migrant workers arent the ones that are well off, but they can go abroad, send money back and inccrease both their families wealth and indias. It wont happen over night but it is building wealth.

Yup colonisation didnt do so well for China, though they have come back with a vengence. Globalisation is somewhat different...
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I don't think globalisation is about colonisation though ... but I think it's America centric and imperiallistic with what they do in other countries ... and a lot of this stuff directly benefits American corporations. And, when you look at the WTO and World Bank and what hey expect countries do do before lending them money (ie: massive privatisation and exploitation of their resources) you can't help but see links all over the show back to America ...
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China and Japan also attach conditions to their loans and 'gifts'. Russia did the same.
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Yeah, that's true. I know I've looked at this through a relatively narrow lense ...
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Giovanni Arrighi actually argues that China tends to attach fewer conditions to its loans than the US - one of the reasons he sees the rise of China in positive terms.

But I think you need a definition of globalisation, because I think in essence it simply means an increase in global linkages and interdependence, and that is something that has been happening even before a capitalist world system began to emerge after around the 13th century. The process has certainly become more extensive and intensive over time, but in principle its not especially new.
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That's true, but I think the way globalisation is manifesting itself around the world now is unlike anything we've really seen before and incomparable really to even say 30 years ago. Just with what international products and corprations are now present in basicaly every single country world wide ... it's crazy!
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That is simply a product of the benefits of size. Look at the biggest companies in the world and the economies of scale, research and other resources.
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OneHappy said:
Giovanni Arrighi actually argues that China tends to attach fewer conditions to its loans than the US - one of the reasons he sees the rise of China in positive terms.

But I think you need a definition of globalisation, because I think in essence it simply means an increase in global linkages and interdependence, and that is something that has been happening even before a capitalist world system began to emerge after around the 13th century. The process has certainly become more extensive and intensive over time, but in principle its not especially new.


Of course - they dont attach pesky things like human rights conditions aye :p

But seriously - they are gaining influence with sugar coated deals, for the moment just winning over the americans is enough but the hooks will come out later. Do you really think China is a truly benevolent lender, or at least so much more so than the US?
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Itchy said:
That's true, but I think the way globalisation is manifesting itself around the world now is unlike anything we've really seen before and incomparable really to even say 30 years ago. Just with what international products and corprations are now present in basicaly every single country world wide ... it's crazy!


Why would you even think that - you dont seem to know much about history at all, certainly not enough to draw such a conclusion in spite of *some* evidence.
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bob said:
For sure so you could say that globalisation was a boon for china and India.


I wouldn't rush to that conclusion too quickly. India was colonised, its wealth became the "jewel in the British crown" and it provided the UK with a colonial army that fought numerous wars on behalf of the interests of the British Empire.


That's a tautology. India was part of the British Empire so it fought on behalf of its own interests
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Itchy said:
That's true, but I think the way globalisation is manifesting itself around the world now is unlike anything we've really seen before and incomparable really to even say 30 years ago. Just with what international products and corprations are now present in basicaly every single country world wide ... it's crazy!


???
Again, Roman Empire.
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bob said:
For sure so you could say that globalisation was a boon for china and India.


I wouldn't rush to that conclusion too quickly. India was colonised, its wealth became the "jewel in the British crown" and it provided the UK with a colonial army that fought numerous wars on behalf of the interests of the British Empire.

China in the early ninteenth century was far wealthier than Europe to the point that it was a source of great envy. Militarily however it was weak, and the British quickly bought it to heel to suit their economic needs. China then became an economic joke, it suffered over one hundred years of backwardness because of western intervention. Only now China is reemerging as the power it once was. 'Globalisation', if you take that to mean integration into the global market has been a very mixed blessing for China.



Excuse me. China was backwards because its domestic political culture was backwards.
Look at Japan - wholesale borrowing of Western methods from the Meiji Period onwards led to progress.

You can't blame the West for China's weakness
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Excuse me. China was wealthier than Europe, that's a fact. And, unlike Europe, China did not attempt to colonise and conquor the rest of the world.
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err it had reached the limits of its conquests due to the distances involved in administrating over distances.

Ever heard of chinese whispers?
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bob said:
Ever heard of chinese whispers?


Yes its a particular problem with Chinese as the language is incomprehensible to Britishers.

But seriously, Europe and China were governed by very different logics of power. The Chinese focus was internal and based upon building the national economy through agriculture and the intensive use of human labour. Europe's focus was external, its wealth was primarily based upon gaining control over the most profitable networks of trade and supply. Hence European powers needed to expand or they would be swallowed by their neighbors.
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But china did a lot of its expanding early on. By the time the British were there they had entered a maintenance phase I guess. Also it was completely centrally managed with major decisions having to get all to the emperor and then back. The problem with this was very evident when the british warship parked in their trading harbour and bombed the shit out of any junk that tried to come near to attack. The local area commander wrote a message to the emperor that went up the chain of command. It started as "we are getting our arsed kicked, please send money so we can build a modern ship" the message that the emperor got was "war going swimmingly, please send more money"... The answer finally came back - if you are doing well why would you need money. In the end the local commander just paid some French to build a new boat without asking. Chinas internal focus meant it had stagnated, progress slowed drastically. An example would be their ceramics - they were so intent on quality each job was so specialised no one could make a change over the whole process. (from memory it was to the point there was one person who would paint herons and another who would paint a different type of bird). Later on the british worked out a way to make it a lot quicker/ cheaper even though they didnt have the same labour skill/ pool.

Anyway, maybe if the chinese hadnt been so internally focused/ possibly arrogant, then they wouldnt have had the same problems and we would all be speaking chinese already. As history happened, small tribes were overtaken by bigger/ more advanced tribes and them in turn, each culture learning something from the other until you had cultures who were dominant. They in turn had their golden age and faded once they reached the limits of their influence or the drive to achieve faded and hedonism won. Rome would be a good example, Britain after and America perhaps a more modern / current one.

The Arab states had their expansionistic ways and then soon after, the height of their culture, then the fall. Alexander the great, the renaissance, Venice, Spain, Holland, Britain, the French etc have all had expansion and contraction.

Globalisation in a broad sense is nothing new and short of a big shake up in technology, the environment or popular sentiment it will continue in incremental steps. It is inherently neither good nor bad. The good should be celebrated, the bad mitigated.

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yeh I think globalisation needs to be defined clearly before you have a discussion about it. Is it just about trade, or is it free capital flows, or is it mulinational corporations... dont think you're going to ever stop the interconnectedness of the world anymore but this isnt necessarily what globalisation means....

anyway this thread is a bit too meandering for my ADD attention span however while I could post this link in various places its interesting to read Bernard Hickey today who seems to have done a bit of a volte face and is now talking about nationalism and state controls more than he ever has

http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/opinion-why-we-must-abandon-economic-orthodoxy-and-embrace-capital-trade-and-exchange-rate-controls

I feel like a priest who has been wrestling with his belief in god and has now decided god does not exist.

It's time for me to recant and to say what I've been thinking for months: the economic god of completely free markets and capital flows is not worth believing in anymore and we must look for other things to believe in and do.

I think New Zealand needs to have a debate about capital controls, about foreign ownership of assets, about measures to control our currency and about being openly nationalistic rather than internationalistic about our economic policy.

I think the Global Financial Crisis and the preceding decade of debt-driven instability in global capital markets and trade flows have demonstrated the failure of the economic model most New Zealand policymakers have adhered to for nearly 3 decades.

I think we need to rethink the way we run monetary policy, the way we allow foreign ownership of assets, the way we encourage savings, the way our financial institutions are regulated and change the things we are aiming for.
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Interesting example there bob. Sounds like the Chinese didn't have a clue. Mind you, against just one Iron warship what could they do?

You would have to confess though that the story of gross military balls ups in the face of surprise is long (eg the Germans being afraid to wake Hitler so the panzers could attack on D Day, Americans not recognising the attack on Pearl Harbour, Stalin ignoring intelligence about Barbarossa, etc, the list goes on and on for a mile).

In general though I agree, the Chinese we not well informed about the outside world. But while that helps to explain what was done to them, it does not excuse it. Moreover, our continued survival on this planet requires a cooperative view not a realist one.
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bob said:
But china did a lot of its expanding early on.

True, but to a limit. They knew when to stop. Theres' an interesting GIF on the China article in wiki under the heading Historical Political Divisons showing changes to state boundaries 1000 BC to present.
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I think that limit was semi artificial, unless you read that 1435 or whatever book that thinks it was fear of angering the gods that put a limit.

I would guess it had more to do with the Himalayas and desserts than "knowing when to stop", I certainly dont see evidence of a decision - but even if they did it is HUGE not something easy to control. I believe it was limits of control that limited it but I have little more than analogies and individual situations to support it.

I don't know why a realist view is necessarily wrong? Cooperation is fine but there are so many countries with so many different needs that it has to be beneficial overall to get cooperation.

"Hi we need to cooperate, please give us all of your water, power and grain so we can live. I realise that means you will have to cut back your citizens food and water but if we all pull together we can live like happy families. In return we will be semi grateful and try not to take too many of your jobs with cheap labour."
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Ps if you are explaining / not excusing things please look at chinas internal and local record on human rights and 'looking after' the other nations (past and present) around it.
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OneHappy said:
Excuse me. China was wealthier than Europe, that's a fact. And, unlike Europe, China did not attempt to colonise and conquor the rest of the world.


Wealthier but incredibly backwards
If it wasn't it would have won those wars vs. the West considering they were at the end of 10,000 mile logistics chains
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bob said:
II believe it was limits of control that limited it but I have little more than analogies and individual situations to support it.
It probably was this. For example, conquest of the Indian ocean was possible in the Ming era, but too expensive for likely returns, and the northern border was insecure.

bob said:
I don't know why a realist view is necessarily wrong?
It's hard to imagine realist politics generating answers to the really big problems, like global warming.
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vadinho said:
Wealthier but incredibly backwards

Military weakness does not equal backwardness.
A significant difference from the west was industrial production, and resultant methods of war. China's wealth was out of necessity built upon the intensive use of human labour, not the intensive use of machinery. Wheras Britain could triple its consumption of cotton by the invention of the spinning jenny, had China invented it there would not have been sufficient money in the world to pay for an equivalent increase in production.
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Competition breeds innovation. China thought it had no reason to progress, it focused on doing what it already did better. I think backwards is a fair assessment, they grew arrogant and stagnated. Bureaucracy stifled everything in a centrally planned environment which was adverse to risk.
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bob said:
they dont attach pesky things like human rights conditions aye :p
Well it going to be hard to argue against China's record on human rights. But conversly I think the west has a worse record of violating the sovereign rights of other states.

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But seriously - they are gaining influence with sugar coated deals, for the moment just winning over the americans is enough but the hooks will come out later. Do you really think China is a truly benevolent lender, or at least so much more so than the US?
I think there is potential, if the Chinese can keep the capitalists out of power, that Chinese politics could generate a very different form of international relations because it is based around the Confucian ideal of harmony rather than an aggressive stance towards other nations.
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How is china any better? Business is bribery and personal influence. They have zero environmental credentials and anything is ok as long as you don't get caught. I think you need to put aside you one eyed anti capitalism and have a look at the full picture.



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bob said:
How is china any better?

Because its historical attitude to other states is not nearly as aggressive as that of the west has been. Because Adam Smith admired what he called the "natural path of economic development" in China as the cause of its great wealth in his day. In those ways its better - not in all ways.

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Business is bribery and personal influence. They have zero environmental credentials and anything is ok as long as you don't get caught. I think you need to put aside you one eyed anti capitalism and have a look at the full picture.

Isn't China investing more in renewables than the west? Sure they burn a shit load of coal, and are now the biggest emmitter of CO2. But the west put most of the CO2 up there in the first place. How is real action on the environment in the west looking? How much of the social and environmental disruption in China is due to capitalists gaining power? (I dont know, but neither i bet do you).

Do you think the American way of life plus capitalism will save us?All you seem to want is more of the same despite all the evident failings of our economic system. You accuse the chinese of arrogance but you won't acknowledge the gross violation of sovereignty carried out by the UK which smuggled opium into China and then invaded and sent Chinese society backwards for well over one hundred years.

I'm no bloody one eye thinker. It a very complex situation. And I have acknowledged where China has problems. But I think uncontrolled capitalism is a sure high way to extinction definitley - and that proposition is very easy to defend.
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I'll try come back an d read this all when I'm more sober ..
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Would also like a clear explanation of what you consider globalisation to discuss - if you genuinely want academic views on this then i did study it at postgraduate. Fucken years ago but so we'll see what i remember.
Suffice to say life in NZ would be pretty fucken average if we couldn't export anything to anyone nor have access to anything other than that conceived and manufactured in our borders.
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OneHappy said:
vadinho said:
Wealthier but incredibly backwards

Military weakness does not equal backwardness.


War is the crucible of humanity. Superior groups win.

Don't call it racism. Japanese and Chinese = same race (close enough) but Japanese slaughtered them. Superior.
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Submitted this:

‘Globalisation is intrinsically undemocratic because of the processes of decision-making on social and economic policy issues no longer lie within the control of national governments but with the goodwill of transnational organisations'

Globalisation has seen many benefits bestowed upon a large number of people: International travel, media, communication, access to technology and the ability to purchase international products. This has been extremely advantageous for a minority of people and countries who have reaped the financial benefits and rewards from a world that now embraces individualism, capitalism, corporatism, consumerism, materialism and the idea that a robust economy should precede everything else. Globalisation has also meant that a wide range of people, both from developing and developed countries, have had themselves, their countries and their labour exploited to the point of decimating and destroying all sense of sustainability and autonomy within local communities. With an ever widening gap between those who have access to resources and wealth and those who do not, it has to be asked, exactly who does globalisation really benefit?

This essay will critically examine the above claim by breaking down and deconstructing the ideas around globalisation, the processes around social and economic policy making and what democracy means. It will also argue that transnational organisations dictate from an exploitive top down imperialistic stance which lies at the very essence of critiquing this statement.

Throughout these writings there will be a predominant focus on economic globalisation specifically, due to the prevalent connections between corporations and countries’ economic and social policies. Furthermore, the agendas of organisations such as the World Bank, International Monetary Fund and World Trade Organisation will be focused on to support the premise that globalisation is strongly linked to capitalism and the imperialistic ethos of countries like the United States.

Ife and Tesoriero (2006) believe that globalisation is inherently about an economic process which puts the values of human rights, social justice and sustainability far behind the needs of the economy. The premise is that the economy should always come first and supporting this are the ideologies that the world has unlimited resources, a never ending supply of new markets and an endless quantity of labour to exploit (Anderson, Barker, Goldsmith et al, 2004).

At an international level globalisation can be seen manifesting itself throughout different countries in two predominant ways: Diversity amongst nations has been steadily reduced and replaced with a homogenisation of consumerism where certain global products have infiltrated national borders with corporate marketing focused on a belief that all people should want the same products and lifestyle as the predominantly Western-centric exporters. The other way in which it can be clearly seen is through the capitalist market. The ideology that a robust economy relies on capitalism, which in turn relies on the exploitation of a cheap labour market for the financial benefit of corporations, ensures that people in third world countries as well as developed countries remain in an oppressive state of dependent employment. Internally within countries economic globalisation is also evident from the ever widening gap between the rich and poor. This is exemplified in countries such as the America where company CEOs in 2000 earned 458 times more than the average worker. (Anderson, Barker, Goldsmith et al, 2004).
In 1998, the United Nations Development Program calculated that it would cost $40 billion per year to provide clean water, sanitation, nutrition, health care and basic education for everyone on Earth. (Robbins, 2003). Conversely in 2003 America spent almost $405 billion on military and security not including their expenditure on the Iraqi war. (Pearson Education, 2007). These statistics illustrate a prime example of a minority controlling how and what money is spent on and who that spending will benefit.

Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) defined democracy as being “Government of the people, by the people, for the people”. The essence of democracy centres on the ideals of equality, freedom, social justice and human rights. One key point is the ability of people to individually and collectively have a voice and the ability to have self determination with their lives. Conversely, undemocratic must be the antithesis of this, where none of these values are adhered to, nor do the majority of people have any real voice about policies or issues which may directly affect them.

The End Of The Free Market argues that globalisation is as a result of a world wide demand by the majority and that it has “… lifted millions out of poverty and into an emerging global middle class” (Bremmer, 2010, p 24). What this statement fails to take into account are the people who have been oppressed and exploited to see this rise be possible for the minority. Bremmer also raises concerns about State Capitalism from governments other than America threatening America’s ability to benefit from free market capitalism. This illustrates an imperialistic attitude where international autonomy and sustainability are not desired as they will not be of benefit to the ideologies supporting an oppressive dictator.

Bremmer (2010) puts forth the argument that America operates from a mixed capitalism paradigm and claims that only countries like China and Russia indulge in laissez-faire style capitalism in which markets are controlled by those with the most to gain from exploiting them. Ironically, this is in complete disparity to Americas own foreign policies implemented by their government.

Globalisation has seen a huge surge over the last 50 years with the worldwide media promoting values which support the production and consumption of certain products worldwide and intrinsically dictate the very values of a Western Centric model where success becomes determined more so by what you own individually, rather than what you give or do for others. It has been repeatedly drilled into societies over time that people are not equal, that they shouldn’t be equal and that it is acceptable for those with power to steam roll over the planet and exploit some for the benefit of others.

Whilst it could be argued that capitalism and globalisation provide employment where there is a demand for it, it can also be shown that the participation in this by groups of locals is intrinsically undemocratic, disempowering and unsustainable. Due to capitalism relying on a minority of people dictating conditions to a disempowered and dependent labour market it is undeniable that this process as it exists is undemocratic in its process and outcomes.

Trade liberalism has removed national barriers, subsidies and tariffs to ensure an even market place for international products. However, the culture of this does not acknowledge the ability of local markets to operate in a competitive, sustainable and autonomous way when in direct competition with a global market. The ideologies directly supporting Free Trade are that there will be prosperity for all, that developing countries will financially benefit as much as developed countries, and that social justice and equality will flow on from capitalism and the development of a vigorous and unregulated global economy. (Ife, Tesoriero, 2006).

By deconstructing the moot point we are faced with the idea that transnational corporations, which operate in multiple countries, control the policy making of governments and that this in itself is done in an undemocratic way due to decisions being made by few, with the voice or concerns of many never being a mitigating factor. Furthermore to this, the “goodwill” that transnational corporations show is almost always to the benefit of only themselves, and rarely sees any real advantages for the vast majority, who are oppressed and exploited by the economic and social policies of their own governments.

Due to Free Trade Agreements between countries and the involvement of the World Bank, International Monetary Fund and World Trade Organisation globalisation has seen social and economic policy issues become entwined with the agendas of transnational corporations. Economic policies implemented by governments always take the forefront to social policies; if an economy has to come first and transnational corporations stand to benefit from the implementation of certain economic policies by governments, it is reasonable to conclude that social policies will become watered down and be of little real benefit to local communities themselves. On the contrary it could be argued that social policies which are influenced by corporations driving economic policies disempower communities and ensure that people remain where they are, do not have a voice and are not able to provide resistance or even be informed about the processes around them. Lin (200Cool goes as far as stating “The WTO has faced scathing criticism for the free trade policies that have accelerated globalization and the integration of a worldwide capitalist free market economy.”

The IMF, WTO and World Bank all arguably follow pre determined agendas of powerful countries like America and transnational corporations who stand to directly benefit from Free Trade Agreements and money loaned out to poor nations. Two prime examples of multinational corporations dictating policy agendas and benefitting directly from World Bank and IMF decisions are Halliburton and Bechtel winning contracts in Iraqi after the America invasion in 2003 (Anderson, Barker, Goldsmith et al, 2004) and Monsanto having a monopoly over agriculture in America and a desire to “…achieve worldwide market supremacy, regardless of the social cost to small farmers and rural economies.” (Griffin, 200Cool

The WTO was initially set up at the Bretton Woods Conference in 1944 to prevent depression after World War II (Driscoll, 1996). Whilst the idea was to help out countries financially in frugal times the almost immediate agenda of America and transnational corporations was to dictate who received money and under what conditions. Although the IMF, WTO and World Bank may claim that they strengthen countries’ economies and reduce their debt there are rampant examples of countries that have been loaned money falling into serious debt when they have been dubiously advised to spend money on infrastructure that they don’t need. Subsequently a large percentage of their GDP goes directly to servicing the debt rather than being reinvested into their own country or being of benefit to the majority of their citizens. The magnitude of their debt remains such that their exploitation by other countries becomes an expected status quo that they are eventually forced to accept. Over the years there has been a steady move of solidarity by grass roots level protesting and the rejecting of the ideology of these three organisations. WTO talks on Free Trade were disrupted in Seattle in 1999 and Cancun in 2003; whilst Miami in 2003 had the Free Trade Agreement of Americas talks disturbed and stopped (Anderson, Barker, Goldsmith et al, 2004).

Free Trade Agreements between governments were initially set up via the WTO with the intention of opening up international boarders and allowing the flow of produce into countries, without attracting tariffs on international products or government subsidies for local products. Retrospectively, Free Trade Agreements were never going to be prosperous for both countries and certainly would never amount to equality between local markets producing local goods and international markets with lower costs producing cheaper goods. Paradoxically, instead of creating an environment beneficial for both countries the consequence of having cheaper international goods readily available was that local companies suffered and in many instances closed due to not being able to compete with the cheaper products that were now available. These Free Trade Agreements are examples of capitalism and neo-liberialism manifesting themselves through policies that ardently emphasise the importance of economic growth and prosperity at the expense of true equality and social justice. This in itself is an example of transnational companies exerting undemocratic power and control over the influencing of policies which see direct financial benefits to themselves, whilst majority or developing countries, and their citizens, are exploited and oppressed as a result of this process.

An exception we can see with Free Trade is when both countries do not have competing industries. The Free Trade Agreement between New Zealand and Korea provides an example of a lack of competition between industries ensuring that both countries see benefit from such an agreement. Conversely, if we look at the Free Trade Agreement that the Philippines has with other Asian countries we can unequivocally see that Free Trade has resulted in local farmers failing due to not being able to compete with cheaper imported agricultural products. In this sense it is illustrated that Free Trade has reduced the ability of people to live sustainably off their own land whilst being able to generate an income.

The World Bank directly contributed to Panama’s insurmountable debt from the construction of the Panama Canal. This was documented by John Perkins (2004) in Confessions of an Economic Hitman. This project was undertaken in 1914 after advice from America determined that Panama would potentially benefit economically from this new infrastructure being built. Adversely, apart from the construction costs funded by the World Bank going immediately offshore to America who did all the construction, Panama to this day uses a large percentage of the money from their economy to pay back this debt. Current statistics show pre 2004 70% of Panama’s GDP went to cover the debt they had incurred; currently 45% will contribute to this debt until 2014; at which stage it will be reduced to 35% (Sabo, 2010). As a direct result of the World Bank supporting the funding of this, the Panamanian people are some of the poorest in the world, and it can be argued that the Panama Canal is of no benefit to the majority of the people. This provides an excellent example of an undemocratic top down dictatorship from an imperialistic country with direct links not only to transnational corporations but also to the World Bank and IMF. On one hand the Panama Canal is now back in the full ownership of Panama, but the debt related to the construction, upgrade and maintenance of this amounts to 5 billion per year (Sabo, 2010) and will ensure that Panama will be locked in debt and able to be controlled due to this for many generations to come. Even though Panama now retains control and ownership over the canal, it has given America a real opportunity to exploit Panama as a country. This can be observed through the mining concessions that have been granted and the 2003 Debt-For-Nature swap which occurred, passing on 320,000 acres of Panama rainforest to the US for a reduction of Panamas debt by $10,000,000USD (Nature.org, 2010).

Whilst NGOs strive to empower people and address the issues of disparity and equality in local communities there remains a need to ensure that Community Development policies are monitored from independent bodies. Implementing imperialistic top down strategies where communication breaks down between the provider and recipient of the service and a pre determined agenda comes to dominate what the NGOs want to achieve, can only lead to an undemocratic process. Examples of this can be seen in some developing countries where NGOs have a foreign agenda to adhere to which will not lead to sustainable and ecologically sound development (Ife, Tesoriero, 2006).

Evidence shows that an unequal distribution of power and access to resources has seen a minority of people acquire a majority of the wealth worldwide. Consequently, the minority have become financially rich compared to the vast majority of people in the world, and this status quo is maintained by people living subserviently and acting as cogs in the capitalist wheel of the juggernaut which ensures that what they do directly benefits those who control them. Whilst it can be argued that some Free Trade Agreements can be beneficial to some people, this has to be balanced against the conclusion that it has also seen a wider income gap developing between international countries and nationals within the same country.

This essay has defined globalisation and democracy and illustrated how this does (or doesn’t) manifest itself through a democratic process. It has shown how transnational corporations exert a huge amount of power and control over policy making and how there are obvious links between supranational organisations and countries such as the America who have pre determined agendas about their role in the world.

Globalisation and capitalism have created the world in which we live, but the question has to be asked: Is this world any better or are people any happier than in the past? Has sustainability, holism, autonomy and empowerment become the unwanted bastard child of capitalism and globalisation? When such large numbers are living below the poverty line and without access to basic human needs like clean water, food, immunisation and sanitation, while a small minority hugely benefit from the exploitation of other people and developing countries, you really have to wonder if things have in fact got better for mankind as a whole over the last 50 years or if humanity is in fact quickly digging itself an early grave.











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lol did you read *anything* that supported globalisation? Your lecturer should mark you down for pretty biased readings... but given the type of lecturers who teach these papers you are probably safe.

On a personal level why would you form an opinion and only go looking for things that supported that? Wouldnt you want to know the other side?
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There were a few things in there that were pro globalisation/pro capitalism. The Bremmer stuff and the free trade stuff with NZ and Korea.