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ITT we shall bask in the madness that is the Herald's grumpiest old man columnist, Garth George. A man who's been around since the dawn of time, and should have been put out to pasture long ago.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10614469&pnum=0
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No one seems to be concerned that the salacious slurs cast upon these revered historical figures might bring real distress to thousands of believers, reduce many to tears and drive others to their knees in lamentation and to beseech God to forgive the perpetrators.


"Historical figures" Garth? Lamentation and beseeching? Goodness! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Also, as EtH points out, there are now COMMENTS on his column. This can only lead to more mirth!
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I thought the thread title was Girthwatch
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And no Vanessa no Vanessa got no Vanessa
No Vanessa no Vanessa, Vanessa Vanessa
Vanessa Vanesaa
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this sort of religious diatribe has no place in a secular publication, I would have thought. he belongs in a pulpit, where he can happily preach his hellfire and brimstone, not in a newspaper office!
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heh, posted this in the christian hate thread yesterday, so lame. I even commented with a long winded beautifully researched peice, but that didnt make it, instead a quote of a paranoid christian with my reply of "paranoid much" was selected as my contribution to the herald for the day. That was also ghey.
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i <3 gg
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What a dipshit...
On the topic of South Park, he starts carrying on about slating Islam rather than Christianity. I guess he conveniently forgot the episodes where they do exactly that then.

That whole column is a joke. I did enjoy a moment of delicious irony when he referenced Chirst Almighty! as being concieved from 'dark and ignorant minds'.... Ummm I wonder if he considered the countless number of people that have been murdered in the name of christ, or the brainwashing of hundreds of millions of people into believing dogma that can be easily disproved using irrefutable science, logic or just some plain old common sense.
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oh jason pedantic had a go at you

jafa and proud really sums it up though

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I find it absolutely hilarious that a lot of the people who have commented and can't understand why a Christian would be offended are the same people who would be quick to get offended and attack those who don't believe their views on a several topics on Your Views
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Night Rider said:
oh jason pedantic had a go at you



yeh i know, but i was so dissapointed my epic post never made it, which would have squashed his very comments to smithereens, that i just let it go, heh.
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Are you talking to me NR?
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no. to all and sundry

(<3 that term)
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Like everything else in this world, that term doesn't love you.
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ShaunieBoy said:
What a dipshit...
On the topic of South Park, he starts carrying on about slating Islam rather than Christianity. I guess he conveniently forgot the episodes where they do exactly that then.

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this is the biggest irk for me, and its carried on by the faithful in the comments, who seem to think that christians are picked on more than other faiths for some reason, without realising that most haters despise all religions equally.
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Yah, nothing like a bit of vitriolic victim mentality to fire up the masses
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Is that biggie's Rob W commenting on Garth's column?
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I thought our resident Rob W resided in Green Lane not NSC
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ShaunieBoy said:
What a dipshit...
On the topic of South Park, he starts carrying on about slating Islam rather than Christianity. I guess he conveniently forgot the episodes where they do exactly that then.

That whole column is a joke. I did enjoy a moment of delicious irony when he referenced Chirst Almighty! as being concieved from 'dark and ignorant minds'.... Ummm I wonder if he considered the countless number of people that have been murdered in the name of christ, or the brainwashing of hundreds of millions of people into believing dogma that can be easily disproved using irrefutable science, logic or just some plain old common sense.


By definition, science has to be disprovable. So something that is "irrefutable" isn't science, it's faith, which is exactly what you claim to condemn

Game
Set
Vadz
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10619993&pnum=0

Garth actually making sense and making points I agree with? WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE REAL GARTH?


Of course, still filled with a bunch of "this is how it was for ME", so it's not all weird Wink
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when I get old I hope I am like Garth... only liberal and not employed by the herald
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of late you've been sounding rather reactionary bobby d so maybe you'll fit although gg is rather liberal in his own way in the true meaning of the word
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bob daktari said:
when I get old
??
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-Sunday Star Times = an "irredeemably liberal rag"
-Prince William = "a decent sort of bloke", "no stranger to eccentricity"
-Garth = would like to "soar in helicopters and other flying machines"
-Keith Locke = "sinister"

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10621297&pnum=0
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tbh, and it hurts me to say this about GG, i agree with quite a bit of that article.
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even old fools have their good moments

I had one in 1976
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that when you left home bd?
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when his ass hit the pavement
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thats a huge ass....
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cheeky fucks, I left home in the 50s...
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Jason George said:
tbh, and it hurts me to say this about GG, i agree with quite a bit of that article.


Yeah, I don't have any feelings either way on the subject really, but his point makes sense. It just wouldn't be right for the Garthwatch thread if I couldn't find anything to pick on Wink
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true, just hassle his minging haircut heh.
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po faced republicans asotv looked desperately dateless compared with imperialist army types out in support
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http://editingtheherald.blogspot.com/2010/02/party-on-garth-2010.html

Says it all really Laughing

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Let's give him some credit. He has managed to distinguish between paedophiles and homosexuals, which is more than we might have expected. I like his explanation for not "touching" more often on male homosexuality, homosexuals being a far more "infinitesimal minority" than pedophiles. I suspect that the lack of writing on homosexuals has less to do with their minority status and more to do with the fact that the editor sat him down and told him that it was the twenty-first century, and he wasn't allowed to do it anymore because advertisers would complain. As for the vegan/vegetarian distinction, that's just the sort of quality, Google-led research I've come to expect from Garth.
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pure gold Laughing

Garth said:
I have written often about child abuse and paedophilia, have touched on male homosexuality but find it expedient these days simply to ignore such an infinitesimal minority, and every time I encounter a vegan or vegetarian (I'm told there's a difference) I simply shake my head in wonder.


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Very happy that editing the herald is back Smile

They have always remained far beyond my understanding, no matter how much I ponder them or how old I get.

Haha - somehow I can't see him becoming more open minded as he gets older..
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Well that was weird... but then I suppose we've all talked to an elderly relative and had the same experience of conversation suddenly veering off course. Then again, most senile old folk don't have columns in the country's leading daily newspaper, a column which has swung from righteous rage at animal abuse to advice on getting a dog.

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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I wonder if you agree with this then

"gg" said:
Our new national flag will, I desperately hope, not be a Maori flag. A flag representing a minority race, not a cosmopolitan nation, would be as inappropriate as our existing flag, which is essentially British.

The tino rangatiratanga flag is definitely out. Red and black are not only the colours of death but colours associated with anarchy and pan-Arabism.

And any other flag that has a Maori theme should not even be considered. The national flag must be representative of an independent nation in all its complexity yet must at the same time be simple and instantly recognisable.
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or better still, this:

"gg" said:
As a last resort, perhaps, considering that we are infested by thieving Australian-owned banks and businesses owned by multinational corporations, which annually suck billions of dollars out of our economy - thanks to Douglas and co and their successors - we could well consider appropriating the Jolly Roger.
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that is such christian hate thing to link death, anarchy and pan arabism in the same sentence. What are we still in the crusades?
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if black is linked to death (or is it only when red is associated?) why would he recommend it as a background colour, whatever our sporting dress?
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kris_b said:
http://editingtheherald.blogspot.com/2010/02/party-on-garth-2010.html

Says it all really Laughing

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....~ ~ I suspect that the lack of writing on homosexuals has less to do with their minority status and more to do with the fact that the editor sat him down and told him that it was the twenty-first century...

Laughing Laughing Laughing That is total gold Kris.

My god, I wish someone would interview and ask him straight: do you think gay people are paedos? Yes or no...
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'Climate hysteria won't last test of time'

Fucking Herald Fucking Insane for printing this crap.

Environmentalist David Suzuki made the point recently: If there are scientists who believe in creation who dont get media time to create the impression that doubt exists in the scientific community about how life came into being, why is it that the tiny proportion of scientists who deny global warming are taken seriously, as if there is doubt about climate change???
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great day for garth...
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OneHappy said:
Environmentalist David Suzuki made the point recently: If there are scientists who believe in creation who dont get media time to create the impression that doubt exists in the scientific community about how life came into being, why is it that the tiny proportion of scientists who deny global warming are taken seriously, as if there is doubt about climate change???


Nice way to sum it up. The overwhelming majority of experts on the subject have one view and only a very very very tiny oppose it. As with minor opinion-makers, they scream louder to be heard. They may be proven right one day but there is about as much chance of it as the controlled demolition 9/11 'experts' also being right.
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OneHappy said:
'Climate hysteria won't last test of time'

Fucking Herald Fucking Insane for printing this crap.

Environmentalist David Suzuki made the point recently: If there are scientists who believe in creation who dont get media time to create the impression that doubt exists in the scientific community about how life came into being, why is it that the tiny proportion of scientists who deny global warming are taken seriously, as if there is doubt about climate change???


1 is it a tiny minority who deny (or at least are sceptical of) global warming?
2 the herald has an oblgation to print all views
3 scientists who believe in creationism have expressed their views in the herald
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Night Rider said:
OneHappy said:
'Climate hysteria won't last test of time'

Fucking Herald Fucking Insane for printing this crap.

Environmentalist David Suzuki made the point recently: If there are scientists who believe in creation who dont get media time to create the impression that doubt exists in the scientific community about how life came into being, why is it that the tiny proportion of scientists who deny global warming are taken seriously, as if there is doubt about climate change???


1 is it a tiny minority who deny (or at least are sceptical of) global warming?
2 the herald has an oblgation to print all views
3 scientists who believe in creationism have expressed their views in the herald



2?
So should it print flat earthers?
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yes
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Wow, open the flood-gates - flat-earthers and one million other fringe philosophers stand up, the Herald is your pulpitt. To hell with informing the public we are cruising shit creek without a paddle, the media have a new crazy each day to entertain and baffle you Neutral

'Diversity' is not the same as entertaining fools.
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Night Rider said:
the herald has an oblgation to print all views


I wasn't aware of this obligation
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Climate warming is a hoax. It must be. Garth said so yesterday. Now that bleeding half-wit Jim Hopkins in the same column-space today informs us in his tedious 'witty and entertaining' style that an important scientist has discovered "no significant warming since 1995".

WTF is up with the bloody Herald???
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ShaunieBoy said:
Night Rider said:
the herald has an oblgation to print all views


I wasn't aware of this obligation


Fuck I reckon! Laughing Laughing Laughing Never have I heard such nonsense. At least, never today until now.
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vadinho said:
So should it print flat earthers?

My answer to the "science isn't settled because there are doubters" deniers is always this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society
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http://sciblogs.co.nz/hot-topic/2010/02/18/a-visitor-from-la-la-land-garth-george-gets-it-wrong-again/

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I suppose it was inevitable that the feeding frenzy about various “gates” in the British press would attract the attention of the wise old man of Rotorua, Garth George. In today’s Herald he emerges from his sulphurous lair to add his muted sqeak to the hubbub.


"sulphurous lair" Laughing Laughing Laughing
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For some reason i thought this thread would be about Wayne's World Neutral
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ShaunieBoy said:
Night Rider said:
the herald has an oblgation to print all views


I wasn't aware of this obligation

pabulum populum obligatus haraldus novae zelandicus
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today's garth gold

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Even Brian Rudman - and God knows I wish sometimes that one of his beloved volcanic cones would erupt right under his bum....
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So, do newspapers reflect society or the other way round? Frankly, I don't give a damn as long as my newspapers keep arriving every day and continue to contain serious, intelligent news, information and analysis that you can't get anywhere else.


Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Smile *ring ring* Hello, Subscription Department?
The boy isn't delivering my paper!
Smile Oh I'm sorry sir that's very usual, what's your....
Where's my paper! I pay for my paper where is it?!?!
Smile Sir, if you just give me your details I can see abou.....
WHERE'S MY PAPER. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING WITH IT? WAIT THERE'S SOMEONE ON MY DAMN LAWN HEY YOU WHO ARE YOU BOY?!?!
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Laughing

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10631178&pnum=0
Garth being somewhat reasonable? All things happy in Garthland? Confused
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he's dead and some hack is writing his columns
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no, garth is just a multi-faceted individual

probably has more in common with you than you'd like to think
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I don't doubt that NR
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I was thinking of his quondam intake of the al k hall
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Not that I have any objection to Whanau Ora being just for Maori. Separatism has been the order of the Maori day for decades now and if Whanau Ora manages to alleviate the dreadful social problems that afflict that race, then all of us would benefit.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10638419&pnum=0

Its pretty clear to me that those cheekie darkies need the help of enlightened, socially superior white men like Garth to become productive members of society. Unbelievable. (he did have some valid points, but that whole article came across as condescending in the extreme).
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I like beefyboy's commetn way more than garths article (won't comment on the flawed policy)
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Garth George has this climate science stuff sorted out, it's a scam you see. And even if it weren't, New Zealand's emissions make such a tiny proportion of the worlds carbon dioxide we should just do nothing. You want evidence or New Zealand's tiny carbon footprint? Well, George doesn't need evidence because he has his suspicions:


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I suspect that the eruption of Mt Eyjafjallajokull in Iceland shot more gases into the atmosphere in five minutes than New Zealand would in five years.


But, as Gareth Renowden points out at Hot Topic, George's suspicions don't match the data. In order to work out how much carbon dioxide Mt Unpronounceable (Paul Litterick's joke, not mine) was shooting into the atmosphere the Guardian took the surprising step of asking some scientists. The upper bound of their estimates is 300 000 tonnes of carbon dioxide per day (or about 1040 tonnes in 5 minutes). Impressive, but not much when compared with the 377 million tonnes New Zealanders managed between 2004 and 2008.

Amazingly, Garth George's estimate is out by a factor of 2.75 million. That's equivalent to estimating the driving distance between Dunedin and Auckland as being 60cm. I couldn't let a week that combined such breathtaking stupidity with this nice infographic go without memorialising George's folly:


follow link for graphs and charts and pictures of wombats http://theatavism.blogspot.com/2010/04/garth-george-wrong-wrong-275-million.html
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Some light reading for today from Garth.

On Robin Brooke and Andy Haden's defence of him.....
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"Surely it is perfectly logical to acknowledge that if female groupies attach themselves to sportsmen, drink with them and take them home, chances are they'll end up screwed."

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players in recent years should surely have warned any sports-loving young woman to stay well away unless she is prepared to go all the way.


True story. Laughing
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Awwww, I've been so slack with this, but at least I'm reminded to keep up with it by something so utterly true to form. The old "bitch deserved it" defence! Laughing
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a classy essay from the man today, makes one proud
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That one is straight up unbelievable, I honestly can not believe the Herald printed it. "Maori walk slow to piss off white people" and "rugby players rape so woman shouldn't be around them". Hole. E. Shit.
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I don't think I ever once read a Garth column until this thread started. I'm glad because they're very often funny.
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G-Dub said:
That one is straight up unbelievable, I honestly can not believe the Herald printed it. "Maori walk slow to piss off white people" and "rugby players rape so woman shouldn't be around them". Hole. E. Shit.


I couldn't believe the Herald was agreeing to print such hateful, racist diatribe

no, we really DO want you to keep your thoughts to yourself on this occasion, Garth Neutral
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Hahaha, what in all fuck are they thinking over there at the Herald?

Parts of that column read like a really funny satirical piece...
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you're all fools

the man speaks the truth

unpalatable as that may be
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Is anyone really surprised that NR agrees with Garth?
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like I say you're all foolz
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from my perspective not a bad effort today Mr George....

"But what bothers me the most about all this chaos is that I've been hearing and reading similar things for at least 30 years, if not more.

And I've been reading and hearing the politicians utter the same sort of platitudes and promises to fix the problems and passing the same sort of ineffective band-aid legislation to deal with them, for the same amount of time.

And all that has happened is that the chaos has got worse - because no set of governing politicians has ever had the guts to legislate unpopular but really effective solutions. "

no doubt we differ on what the solutions
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like your work today Mr george!
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yeah, quite a good piece that. Shame really, havent had much craziness from him of late.
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must be off his meds... no shortage of crazy from others to take up the slack
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Off his meds, or on them? Or maybe he just had a few good pies before he wrote it.
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Could have. He lives just up the road from the supreme pie award winner's shop.
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We hear ad nauseam about the need to increase investment and productivity, yet our biggest employers treat their employees as a bum on a seat, a mind and a pair of hands to be exploited, rather than as a person.

yup
after 10 years as an IT worker with a 6 year old computer and only 1 days training at their expense in all that time I told them to shove it.
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top effort today Mr George, good to see you back to holding the polar opposite view to me... I get frightened when we agree

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10675412
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Fuck that woop woop is a (mildly retarded) stretch. The Home & Away thing was dumb too imo. (Dumb as in stupid compliant)
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Garth George's column is not appearing this week.
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some interesting ex pat anecdotage on our inflated food prices here in godzone

perhaps Labour's efforts would be best served focussing on this rather than gst

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10681929
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are you suggesting the govt regulate food prices NR?

surely you'd pick the business has the right to charge what it wants and the consumer has the choice as to where they shop blah blah blah
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price fixing is a political issue of equal concern to left and right

you can bet your hobbiton that
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garth accuses companies of ripping the consumer off, not price fixing
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if the price is too high and there is supposedly competition then that can be a good indicator something is going on.
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we know theres fierce competition between the, what two, supermarket companies

theres no shortage of soild justifications for the difference betwen what we pay here and others pay elsewhere for our goods - most are very believable... but don't dispel the very real feeling we top dollar for average foodstuff (refer to the herald comment on garths column re oranges)
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Yeah but I wonder who is making the momeny - average margins in supermarkets are around 2% though because they use loss leaders there may be a lot of variation. I wonder if its the places like fonterra or turners and growers that are making large margins.

Definitely worth looking into it and while a right wing party may be more keen to let a market set a price they still want to make sure there isnt collusion or cartels.
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I'm sure govts have looked into this many a time with varying outcomes and always a complete lack of action? (both sides of the fence)
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Theres usually not enough info to prosecute but shining a light on it often has an effect. It is the govt job to make sure the market is getting enough information to make decisions.
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text from vads this morn:

"Garth george is a fucking idiot. Post that on biggie for me"
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LOL... I love how some can see that reducing a budget actually will lead to a bigger and better service

saying that I thought Garth's column less rabid than some of the general reporting of the white paper