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Occupation forces no longer control the Green Zone

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=41827

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Green Zone 'Handed Over' to a Government Called Sadr

BAGHDAD, Apr 2 (IPS) - Despite the huge media campaign led by U.S. officials and a complicit corporate-controlled media to convince the world of U.S. success in Iraq, emerging facts on the ground show massive failure.

The date March 25 of this year will be remembered as the day of truth through five years of occupation.

"Mehdi army militias controlled all Shia and mixed parts of Baghdad in no time," a Baghdad police colonel, speaking on condition of anonymity, told IPS. "Iraqi army and police forces as well as Badr and Dawa militias suddenly disappeared from the streets, leaving their armoured vehicles for Mehdi militiamen to drive around in joyful convoys that toured many parts of Baghdad before taking them to their stronghold of Sadr City in the east of Baghdad."


woohooo, Pwn more yanks!!!!!
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dark_light said:
woohooo, Pwn more yanks!!!!!


You want them to take the gloves off?
You must be mad.
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Last time I checked the Yanks were the good guys, our allies. Its easy for you to sit at home and criticise but theyre the ones over there putting in the hard yards and sacrificing their lives so shut the fuck up with your anti American rhetoric.
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three posts Wink
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bobthebuilder5 said:
Last time I checked the Yanks were the good guys

woooo, where have you been?! Explain why they are the good guys?
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dark_light, post a link and short summary only.
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The USA are not the good guys here - and until countries like ours stop with this "but we"re friends kick" and actually hold that country to account for their blatant disregard for human rights and sovereignty

if the yanks take their gloves off - they lose and millions will die

for those following the latest conflict and interested in some insights into Muqtada al-Sadr, I reccomend this Patrick Cockburn interview

www.motherjones.com/interview/2008/03/who-is-iraqs-firebrand-cleric.html
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bobthebuilder5 said:
Last time I checked the Yanks were the good guys, our allies. Its easy for you to sit at home and criticise but theyre the ones over there putting in the hard yards and sacrificing their lives so shut the fuck up with your anti American rhetoric.


Must say I am with you. What is with all the anti-American crap. NZ is terrible for propoganda againts them.

Cant blame the men and women on the ground for the decisions that their president made.

And hey......who ya think is going to save our ass if the need ever arised ???. We should be thanking them we aint speaking Japanese or German.

Good on them, and bless the souls of those that have died over there 'on both sides' for this horrible situation created by politics and money.

President Bush should be your target of interest, not the men and women who are the US Government's pawns of war.
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the truth is not propaganda, it can be presented as such, but the facts are quite clear and I have yet to see any that support the invasion of Iraq and Afganistan as just, legal or even remotely moral

we didn't support hitler for the same reason we shouldn't be supporting the USA's resource wars and imperial pursuits

the whole gemran japanese thing expired in the 50's - please update your argument
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dark_light said:
Occupation forces no longer control the Green Zone


Way to prove your understanding of the situation - where the fuck does it say that in the article? The bit where it says it came under mortar fire? Like happens constantly? Neutral
It's about the Basra militia fights which was primarily a Sadr vs Iraqi security forces gig. The Green Zone isn't even in that region.
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never let it be said that the inconvenient truth should get in the way of a dark_light diatribe

nevertheless he is not alone

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According to De Palma, the pent-up anger of the US forces in Iraq is worse than that of the troops who served in Vietnam, where at least US soldiers had brothels to visit in order to let off steam.

"This is not the way the Army likes to see itself portrayed," he says. "They want to be seen the way the Administration portrays them: valiant people over there creating democracy, all that mumbo jumbo."

De Palma sees the film as a critique of how American audiences are fed propaganda by the US news media. "They sit there and watch their television screens, and see these embedded reporters and infomercials from Iraq, and how well things are going over there, and they think that's the truth."
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talking about his film Redacted

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=200&objectid=10501652
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One of the problems with the media covering this place is that there are stereotypes of news, one of which is "war rages" and the other is "peace dawns." And there isn't much in between. When I talk to foreign journalists, often they are gritting their teeth because they've been asked for a piece about how shops are reopening and restaurants are reopening and so forth—happy pieces. And it just ain't so.


from my earlier link
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Night Rider said:
never let it be said that the inconvenient truth should get in the way of a dark_light diatribe

nevertheless he is not alone

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According to De Palma, the pent-up anger of the US forces in Iraq is worse than that of the troops who served in Vietnam, where at least US soldiers had brothels to visit in order to let off steam.

"This is not the way the Army likes to see itself portrayed," he says. "They want to be seen the way the Administration portrays them: valiant people over there creating democracy, all that mumbo jumbo."

De Palma sees the film as a critique of how American audiences are fed propaganda by the US news media. "They sit there and watch their television screens, and see these embedded reporters and infomercials from Iraq, and how well things are going over there, and they think that's the truth."

that doesn't mean anything!!! I don't see anyone defending the actions of the German army during world war 2 for this reason!!!

Everything is done on purpose, invasion is on purpose, sanctions are on purpose, incited ethnic tension are on purpose, destruction of all civil offices in the country are done on purpose, putting soldiers in a situtaion like this is on purpose!!! Most of you motherfuckers wouldn't hesistate to call Hamas or Hizbollah members a bad name. But when it's fucking yankees doing the same shit they always get a moral sympathy consideration!!! Why should I have sympathies for grunts working for imperialists?

If you fuckin idiots think "fuck Bush" is the answer can shut the fuck up now. How many times must this shit be repeated?!

I suppose you pro_Americans fuck heads thinks the Vietnamese deserves it too?!
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MFC said:
bobthebuilder5 said:
Last time I checked the Yanks were the good guys, our allies. Its easy for you to sit at home and criticise but theyre the ones over there putting in the hard yards and sacrificing their lives so shut the fuck up with your anti American rhetoric.


Must say I am with you. What is with all the anti-American crap. NZ is terrible for propoganda againts them.

Cant blame the men and women on the ground for the decisions that their president made.

And hey......who ya think is going to save our ass if the need ever arised ???. We should be thanking them we aint speaking Japanese or German.

Good on them, and bless the souls of those that have died over there 'on both sides' for this horrible situation created by politics and money.

President Bush should be your target of interest, not the men and women who are the US Government's pawns of war.


Yes yes yes finally someone gets it. Were/are you an MFC by any chance?
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Oh dear. Don't y'all think that everytime words like 'good guys', 'bad guys', 'anti'- or 'pro-american' weasel their way into the conversation the discussion becomes pointless?

That is called a Manichean (i.e. black and white, for and against) approach to making sense of the world. Usually leads to nothing, confusion, further injustice on all sides of the spectrum of opinions and beliefs.
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garethw said:
dark_light said:
Occupation forces no longer control the Green Zone


Way to prove your understanding of the situation - where the fuck does it say that in the article? The bit where it says it came under mortar fire? Like happens constantly? Neutral
It's about the Basra militia fights which was primarily a Sadr vs Iraqi security forces gig. The Green Zone isn't even in that region.


Glad someone is paying attention

bob d - nice article, the book should be interesting