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Michelin are leaving F1 after being pissed off by senile old Max Mosely for the last time...

And Vodafone are taking their sponsorship dollars to McLaren!!! WTF? How did Ron pull that deal off?

BMW Sauber has also picked up Intel as a main sponsor after Intel didn't go with McLaren, reasoning that the FIAs association with Intel's competition AMD would make things difficult. So why didn't they go with McLaren again?

BH!
Rob W
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now bridgestone will stop development of their tyres .. oh wait .. thats right .. Wink
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nemisis said:
now bridgestone will stop development of their tyres .. oh wait .. thats right .. Wink


Yeah.. tyre development suppsedly increased by over 500% in the first year Michelin came back to F1. Show's what a little competition can do eh?

The only thing now is all the other teams will group together to make sure the rules prevent Ferrari having their own 'special' set of Bridgestones like previously.

Rob W
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RobW said:
And Vodafone are taking their sponsorship dollars to McLaren!!! WTF? How did Ron pull that deal off?


seemingly Phillip Morris actually own all the Ferrari advertising and on-sell it. I'm betting it's purely because Vodafone want to be the title sponsor.
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kris_b said:
seemingly Phillip Morris actually own all the Ferrari advertising and on-sell it. I'm betting it's purely because Vodafone want to be the title sponsor.


Kind of makes no sense since they wont be allowed and branding or logo's soon. I heard that Phillip Morris were trying to do a deal with Ferrari to have the car clean, i.e. no branding at all, just Marlborough red.

McLaren have obviously nicked Vodafone prematurely.

Rob W
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Is no-one wanting to talk about Alonso moving to Renault and the huge spanner this throws into the works?
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Peroxide said:
Is no-one wanting to talk about Alonso moving to Renault and the huge spanner this throws into the works?


He's been at Renault for four years. But he is moving to McLaren at the end of next season.

I'd say we'll see plenty of Fisichella magic this coming season.

Rob W
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I'd hope so, Giancarlo has shown so much potential for so long, it would be a shame for it never to be realised.

I wonder if it is going to be Kimi to Ferrari or JPM moving to perhaps Toyota.
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Even more news.

New regulations for '08

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=26770

Boy things keep changing don't they.
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RobW said:
nemisis said:
now bridgestone will stop development of their tyres .. oh wait .. thats right .. Wink


Yeah.. tyre development suppsedly increased by over 500% in the first year Michelin came back to F1. Show's what a little competition can do eh?

The only thing now is all the other teams will group together to make sure the rules prevent Ferrari having their own 'special' set of Bridgestones like previously.

Rob W

But the only reason that the bridgestones were more suited to the red cars is because the other teams who used them(jordan and minardi), tested fuck all.

Of course a tyre is going to suit a car that tests them all the time, its common sense.

I think alonso to mclaren is great, imagine kimi and alonso fighting it out on track as they will. The only thing I dont understand is he(alonso) has shot himself in the foot announcing it so early as he has cut himself out of the development circle this year. there is no way renault management will reward his deserting the team with a whole pile of knowledge to take with him to the balck n silver.

Juan must be bitter as fuck too now as he knows his only hope of staying is for kimi to go to ferrari, and I have a feeling he wont go there if michael is still in the team as he will worry preferential treatment will occur.

Cant wait to see slicks again and wider tyres.

9 weeks and counting Very Happy
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donotbend said:
But the only reason that the bridgestones were more suited to the red cars is because the other teams who used them(jordan and minardi), tested fuck all.


Bridgestone chose to do it's development with Ferrari in mind, meaning no matter what testing Jordan etc did they would always get a type designed for another car.

It is also relatively common knowledge that in Michelin's first year back Bridgestone would make a special batch of tyres with Michael only in mind, despite being completely against the rules.

The number of times he massively out-performed Reubens when all other widely available driving data showed that their times should have been closer was undeniable. Reubens would struggle to finish a stint on the tyre and Michael would go two stints on them fine... But the next year it all changed and all Bridgstone runners started showing more consistent tyre wear etc.

Rob W
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Actually... while we're on the new rules, I think the new engine size has been changed also with Ferrari in mind. Basically they will get the most benefit from it.

McLaren and Renault have come into a strong era of their engine development, Toyota is coming of age, as is Honda. Whereas Ferrari are at the end and lost their chief engine desingers last year.

Making everyone change engine types completely partially levels the playing field again, which has the predominant effect of penalising the people (McLaren and Renault esp) who have just got onto a good run.

I'd say Ferrari are boned for next year in any case. But it goes to show how much Max Mosely and Jean Todt bend over for each other (frontwards, not backwards).

Rob W
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RobW said:
donotbend said:
But the only reason that the bridgestones were more suited to the red cars is because the other teams who used them(jordan and minardi), tested fuck all.


Bridgestone chose to do it's development with Ferrari in mind, meaning no matter what testing Jordan etc did they would always get a type designed for another car.

They had no choice as the other cars using their tyres had no budget to test. It was their only logical path to follow really.

It is also relatively common knowledge that in Michelin's first year back Bridgestone would make a special batch of tyres with Michael only in mind, despite being completely against the rules.

If this was indeed the case, I would love to know where they got the info from as there are always lots of "rumours" floating around the paddock, especially when it comes to ferrari. And if it was against the rules as you say, bridgestone wouldnt have gone near it, what with them being japanese and honour being their highest priority.

It amazes me how often you hear about cheating claims in f1 when the reality is, no team in their right mind would try and cheat. Bending the interpretation of the rules is different but flagrant disregard for the rules...never. Too many sponsors etc to consider.

Im not sure about the engine rule theory either bro, as the reason that renault and mclaren did so well this year was far more because of their chassis's than out and out BHP.

It easy to come up with conspiracy theories, evrytime the rules are changed but most of them are always just that...conspiracy theories.

And if you look back, the last 3 years rule changes have been to halt michaels winning ways so I very much doubt that after 1 bad year, they will want to give him that advantage back.

Roll on 06 anyways

Very Happy
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donotbend said:
Bridgestone chose to do it's development with Ferrari in mind, meaning no matter what testing Jordan etc did they would always get a type designed for another car.

They had no choice as the other cars using their tyres had no budget to test. It was their only logical path to follow really.


I was referring to before the other major player (after McLaren and Williams) left because of it.

donotbend said:
It amazes me how often you hear about cheating claims in f1 when the reality is, no team in their right mind would try and cheat.


What planet are you on? Only last yea BAR were caught blatantly cheating. Their PR depts explanation of it was laughable. Cheating in F1 is usually discovered a year down the track so not much is made of it. It's often implied as being "testing new parts" etc.. usually to see how far they can go before being pinged. The car specs have pretty much no leeway at all for variance these days and all of the teams know it.

Rob W
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I wonder how Rosberg Jnr will go?
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RobW said:

donotbend said:
It amazes me how often you hear about cheating claims in f1 when the reality is, no team in their right mind would try and cheat.


What planet are you on? Only last yea BAR were caught blatantly cheating. Their PR depts explanation of it was laughable. Cheating in F1 is usually discovered a year down the track so not much is made of it. It's often implied as being "testing new parts" etc.. usually to see how far they can go before being pinged. The car specs have pretty much no leeway at all for variance these days and all of the teams know it.

Rob W


Yeah, the reality is cheating is pretty much a tradition in F1... Perhaps it's not as prevalent as it was in the 80's but it's always happening.
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crash7 said:
I wonder how Rosberg Jnr will go?


Just got the latest F1 Racing mag with him in it.

Going to read his article today.

Interested in what David Richards article is like too, dishing all the gossip on people.
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Peroxide said:
Interested in what David Richards article is like too, dishing all the gossip on people.


David Richards... *yawn*.. Has he got anything good to say about Jacques?

Rob W
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RobW said:
Peroxide said:
Interested in what David Richards article is like too, dishing all the gossip on people.


David Richards... *yawn*.. Has he got anything good to say about Jacques?

Rob W


Of course, yet another barage of praise for Jacques, I get sick of seeing how much those two love each other.

Unfortunately this issue was obviously finished before the big turnarounds in F1 (Alonso to Macca, Vodafone to Macca), so will have to wait till next month for that.

I'm interested to see what Sky does with F1 now they have got their greasey mits on it.

The show had better improve around the race if I'm going to either pay for sky or spend sunday nights around at friends places.
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ill be happy with coverage of practice and quali sessions and uninterupted coverage during the race haha Pink Winky
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I'd quite like Brundle's grid walk before the race to get an idea of what has gone on in the weekend.

That as well as the option to watch the qualifying and practise would be great.
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so are F1 and WRC only on sky this year ?
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I think F1 is only on sky.

Which is balls. (if you can't really stretch to Sky at the moment).
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donotbend said:
It amazes me how often you hear about cheating claims in f1 when the reality is, no team in their right mind would try and cheat.


It starts before the season even kicks off..

http://www.planetf1.com/news/story_21866.shtml

Rob W
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pervert said:
so are F1 and WRC only on sky this year ?


yes both are although I think they have dumped coverage of the IRL and Champ cars(again)
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RobW said:
donotbend said:
It amazes me how often you hear about cheating claims in f1 when the reality is, no team in their right mind would try and cheat.


It starts before the season even kicks off..

http://www.planetf1.com/news/story_21866.shtml

Rob W


*eats hat* Neutral
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Im not sure how long ago they got that info but anyone who looked at toyotas 2003 car can see they copied so many parts from the 2002 ferrari.

As I expect this year we will see more cars shaped like the renault or mclaren in the fromt suspension area.

Immitation is the most sincere form of flattery Smile
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donotbend said:
Im not sure how long ago they got that info but anyone who looked at toyotas 2003 car can see they copied so many parts from the 2002 ferrari..


Copying others isn't really cheating. It's probably one of the most important aspects of how F1 pushes it's development forward so fast. It's the possessing of other peoples testing/technical data as in this case which is dodgy. Illegally removed and obtained.

Rob W
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The BMW that was released yesterday has a front much like last years Mclaren.

I don't think we will see too many back ends that look similar to last year solely on the fact that they will be smaller around the V8 rather than the V10.
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Peroxide said:
The BMW that was released yesterday has a front much like last years Mclaren.

I don't think we will see too many back ends that look similar to last year solely on the fact that they will be smaller around the V8 rather than the V10.


Maybe the front wing, I doubt the front end is that similar in that McLaren had a true twin-keel car, whereas everyone else had a single.

I agree though, minor and major elements of design, front wing and engine cowling/chimneys will become more and more similar as the final $ages of performance are squeezed out of this round of regulations. When they change them agian it'll start all over again.

I'm very interested to see how the V8s handle being at top throttle for more of every laps of every race. More blow-ups in store I'm afraid... With the same weight car with same drag, but less power = more blown engines.

And the few teams who're allowed to run rev-limited V10s might actually gain something from it all in reliability stakes.

Rob W
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The V8's reliability is a concern, I don't like seeing championships won on reliability. I know it is a team sport, but we don't watch an engine being built on tv we watch drivers racing cars.

Didn't Adrian Newey coin the phrase "zero keel" and stated this is what the Mclaren was running, I forget the technicality of it. But of last year Renault had twin keel, Mclaren "zero" and the rest single keel.

And we all know what happened to the rest of the grid last year.

That is from memory anyway.
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No team will run single keels after this year I doubt. Well maybe the financially challenged will Pink Winky
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donotbend said:
No team will run single keels after this year I doubt. Well maybe the financially challenged will Pink Winky


Exactly who would of thought the 2002 Arrows might be coming back in!

The new Mclaren Mp4-21 looks like the lovechild between the 19b and the 20, it's got the needle nose back.

And the Ferarri F2006 looks different with its wing mirrors mounted on the side pods.