Evolution - Sat 15th of July

Whatever sort of trance you are into, this will be phat!

Phat Productions
Presents

Evolution - the Next Step

Saturday the 15th of July

At Space, 6 Osbourne St, Newmarket (Behind Rialto)
10pm till very late

FEATURING
Out Of The Blue (France)
Pan (Spain)
Illusion (UK)
Big Dave (Phat Productions)
Winza (Phat Productions)
Vai (Inner Eye)

-- Phat Productions Underground Trance Party --
$20 at the door
Full Power UV Experience decoration
Liquid 3D Psychedelic Visuals
Crystal Clear Opus Audio Sound
Covered Outdoor Smoking

This will be one super phat experience - see you ALL there!

SEE www.phatproductions.net FOR DETAILS

FLYER:

I will come if I can have a play on the decks

I will come if I can have a play on the decks

Just so people know

This is an underground trance party...

I was having a browse of the Opus Distribution website and read this

"Welcome to a world where sound quality is absolute. With no compromises. A world where no matter how loud it is, it does not hurt your ears or make them ring the next day."

My ears were ringing after I left the Space opening night - which means I had hearing damage which I am not pleased about as i try hard to avoid that. (I forgot my earplugs which i always wear out as very few clubs run their sound properly.)

It was very clear sound, but too f#$%n loud for the small number of people there.

I know you'll monitor the levels better for Evolution. I'm looking forward to another night of stomping psy tunes.

Also, is Space only gonna play psy trance or are they going to play other kinds of music, eg house, mainstream trance, drum n bass etc?

Hi there Quality

Agreed, was a bit loud, but as there was not really many people there we cranked it a bit for our own sake.. dont worry for evolution will be set slightly different and I will PROMISE it wont hurt your ears. Note that it was a result of the sound not being balanced properly (mid/top louder than bass)... not because of distortion.

Rock on! Look forward to seeing you at Evolution

Hi there Quality

Agreed, was a bit loud, but as there was not really many people there we cranked it a bit for our own sake.. dont worry for evolution will be set slightly different and I will PROMISE it wont hurt your ears. Note that it was a result of the sound not being balanced properly (mid/top louder than bass)... not because of distortion.

Rock on! Look forward to seeing you at Evolution

oh...the systems is nice but the TOOOOONS

Incredible -
dance all night like no one's watching

you think psy trance would of taken "the next step" by now - they've been going on about it for the last 10 years - just get on with it already

And call of the day goes to...

for Psytrance, yeah....it takes a while to take that next step when you have been mashed on acid and mushrooms for 10 years.
hence- underground trance ..... slightly different crowd then those still trying to take that step. But I have to say - well done to them for starting the trance scene in the first place

What is the difference between 'underground trance' and 'psytrance'?

They both sound the same to me

Created a new genre have we?

YES
Because we can

For starters, "Underground Trance" ie. EVOLUTION - which totally rocked on saturday (in case you weren't there) sounds and FEELS very very different from say Liam's gig in Galatos a couple of weeks ago or any other "psytrance" gigs that Aucklanders have attended before. I thought you were some kind of an authority on these pedantic definitions?

Perhaps it requires a bit of investigation outside of these forum bitch fights to learn something new?

Oh, maybe you should ask your friends on MSN who may or may not be in Europe (where Underground Trance is a pretty big scene) to enlighten you and "keep you updated"

Hmmmm. Maybe that was a bit mean - sorry but you keep opening yourself up to these kind of comments.
I thought you've given up on the shit-stirring.

Fantastic effort Phat Productions team- thanks for bringing Underground Trance to Auckland!

Firstly. You are a obviously a complete idiot.

Secondly, excuse me whilst i jump on a plane and fly over to Europe to talk to my friends in person. Or maybe i should call them up and spend money on international toll calls.

Its the 21st century, msn and other online networking is the most effective method for overseas communication... although i cant expect you to realise that, you still listen to a sound that has hardly progressed since its conception.

Perhaps you lot should stop making fools of yourselves on internet forums and realise that you are fighting for a lost cause, and if you want to actually make your sound big in Auckland you should perhaps spend some of the time you do spamming your gigs online, in actual marketing and promotion, because i have seen fuck all of it.
Dance websites are not much more than 2% of your market.

Just because you say you have had a good gig on the weekend doesnt mean you can mouth off at me like you are on some God given psytrance crusade.

We had a fantastic time on Saturday

Warmest and friendliest crowd I have experienced in Auckland. Great music . . . whatever trance it may be !

Well done PHAT productions.

Being "underground", to me, implies no mainstream marketing and promotion . . .

You are hilarious.
Don't lose too much sleep over all this, kid.

hahahha
You were at Evolution- I saw ya dancing like mad. Good for making it man.
But seriously
That quote has to be the stupidest thing you have said yet.
You were there - how can you possibly say that the tunes there are not COMPLETELY different from Astral Projection or Prahna from the old psy days?

Truth is mate, what you love is the Trance that was absolutly MASSIVE in '98 - 2001 but in reality is still the same shit as back then. Same producers, same DJ's except that now everyone within 10000 miles of amsterdam has changed there name to Armand Van Something and released a cheesy trance track. Some are good, most are shite, but it's all still the same strings, arppegeo, builds and breakdowns. It's cool if you like it, great - I am even gonna come check out Oxygen - but to say psy has not changed since it conception is just dumber then a rock

that is all

Its the 21st century, msn and other online networking is the most effective method for overseas communication... although i cant expect you to realise that, you still listen to a sound that has hardly progressed since its conception.

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Overseas communication via msn is just that.
Communication - it hardly constitutes Experiential Knowledge that you constantly try to portray you possess. Sorry to break this to you, but your msn friends' updates will hardly ever make you an authority on what should be labeled what.
Do you still not get it?

Oh, hang on did you just say "..you still listen to a sound that has hardly progressed since its conception." ?? You realize by making that comment you have just acknowledged that Underground Trance
as a "sound" actually exists, don't you?
Or how else could it "hardly progress (ed) since its conception" if it doesn't actually exist -


Ok, ok, I give up. I'll stop picking on you.
You've proven yourself Fun Sport and nothing more.
Thanks for making me laugh so much.

Nope i wasnt at Evolution. Will head along next time..

This is me www.myspace.com/jaykay_

Ive met you before Pan.. at Mezze i think it was in Takapuna, had coffee etc and bought some advertising from you for the club i work at.


ravioli... let us cease this futile discussion Catchy ya'll on the dancefloor soon.

Dude- there was a guy there that looked exactly like you, introducing himself as you -
I din't talk to him personally, but someone pointed him out and I was damn sure it was you too....

It wasn't you you say?

Nope. Had a big one Friday. I was outside talking to some people down the road for about 5min though

look at upfm.dj - gallery - the pics for evolution -
page 7, the second to last shot -
this was the Jaykay introducing himself as JayKay

Different JayKay I would think, cause that sure as hell ain't the JayKay you're having a discussion with here.

fair enough - I have met the JK I am having a discussion with here, but it was a while ago....Like 6 months or more and I am not that great at remembering faces after that long- doesn't matter, was just curious. I'll check out oxygen - Jaykay - come check out Dimension Aug 26th, the next Phat productions underground trance gig.

Heh.. couldnt let this one lie..

You obviously dont get out much. The trance that was produced in 1998-2001 is very different to what is coming out these days. I dont even need to explain how. As everyone in this forum knows that it is.

There is a few of the same DJ's from back then yes. However they are going on their own little tangents these days and it is the newer guys who are breaking new ground.

Armand van.... Helden? House DJ. The only well known Trance DJ's with a "van" in their name are Armin van Buuren & Paul van Dyk.
Cheesy? Matter of opinion. I wouldnt call Armin or PVD cheesy.. nor any of the producers or DJ's i like really.

I like a bit of emotion, feeling and difference between the tracks i play... so shoot me


Yeah i might see you at "Dimension".. see what all the fuss is about. Thats if you all you hippies promise not to tie me up to a post and dance around me in the moonlight

Nice one !

There were a total of 3 hippies at Evolution
the rest were clubers, suits, angels and magicians

This is from Astrix- one of the worlds biggest psytrance producers-
not armend van astrix, of course- just some background on the underground of psy - this from Misistry of sound magazine, Psy isn't and will never be comercial, your'e right(and thank fuck it won't be) but it is getting huge;
read on

MINISTRY OF SOUND

Sara Oscarsson explores the psy-trance scene further with her exclusive interview with Astrix and asks about the future of this underground phenomenon and how the Israeli scene is bringing this genre into the mainstream

Electronic era with a special flavour
Astrix, with his unique style and crystal clear sound, had his break through in 2002 with his debut album Eye to Eye. The Israeli artist has since then been on a non-stop tour around the globe and is selling out venues like Brixton Academy and Alexandra Palace. He also entered the DJ Magazine top 100 at no 75 last year.

Avi Shmailov aka Astrix, says psy-trance has been growing around the world for almost a decade. “It is a bit different nowadays though. The production with its more vocal themes and the events are much more for the masses than it used to be. We have entered an electronic era, which has taken many people prisoners and the psy-trance genre is a part of this. It has become a bit more commercialised, but I don’t think the genre will sell out.”

Psy-trance has become a blend of underground music and commercial sounds and production methods. “But it must not lose its soul and its special flavour. It is easier to communicate with the music today, with much coverage in TV, on the Internet and in the media. It will never be top commercial, but we want to bring it to more people,” he says

Astrix thinks that hard house opened the door for psy-trance, but says that psy-trance is more complex and challenging. “It takes the listener on a journey. It does not have an obvious formula and it’s going into the unexpected.”

Womanizer who knows which buttons to press
When it comes to Astrix’s success, he explains that there are two different types of trance artists. “There are musicians and there are engineers. The true secret is to be a musician, if you want to go higher. I’m a musician.”

I point out to Astrix that I think his best track ever is Sex Style on his second album Artcore. “It is funny you should say that. Sex Style is most girls’ favourite. It is very emotional and it really stands out. It is very melodic and not so aggressive”.

“I remember playing it at an outdoor party in Brazil once. All the girls pushed though to the front row and pushed all the guys back. I saw a lot of tears in those girls’ eyes. I like that I can have that effect on people. This track was released over one and a half years ago, but I still play it in my live sets. It’s a timeless track.”

The storytelling wizard
Astrix says each of his tracks is telling a story and that psy-trance is very intelligent and complex music. The evolution of a psy-trance track is different from e.g. a hard house track. It has a different structure and the climax is often in the end, not in the middle.

Astrix played in front of 200,000 ravers at the Israeli Love Parade 2004 and says: “It was such an adrenaline rush and an endless sea of people. I had a vision of The Lord of the Rings. The dance floor was just full of thousands and thousands of heads and it felt like they were moving towards me like an army in a cloud of dust. It was just raw power. It felt like it was a power strong enough to change the world.”

Astrix will soon release a remix of 1200 Mics notorious track Mescaline and he is also collaborating with Sub6. His third album is to be realised by the end of the year.


The UK scene and psy-trance in Israel
Apart from the Israeli scene, Astrix thinks the UK scene is the most important one. “London is the capital of music. It is the door way to all of Europe and then if you can break through there it opens up for opportunities in the US.”

The UK scene is lacking one essential thing though – psy-trance outdoor festivals. “That would help the genre grow even more, because it is a totally different experience to play and dance at an outdoor party. The music travel through air and space and makes the music grow. Outdoor elements such as the sunrise and a full moon add to the experience,” says Astrix.

Israel produces the greatest psy-trance artists in the world. Astrix tires to explain: “I think it’s in the Israeli character. We are very emotional and strong people. Also, in Israel psy-trance has been allowed to enter different forums of exposure, for example in TV, radio and in the news papers and they always play psy-trance at youth parties, not only hip hop. Psy-trance is imbedded in the Israeli culture with icons like Infected Mushroom. You have to come here to understand.”

To find out more about Astrix log on to:
www.hommega.com - Astrix’s record label
www.hommega.com/artist.php?artistID=9 – Astrix homepage

yeah, yeah,....yeah ...that must be it.




any decent DJ will admit to you that they have to sort through a ton of shit music to find decent stuff-even I have to with Psy- but any decent "trance" dj (your kind) will admit that there is a lot more crap these days then before- simply because it became so popular a few years back, everyone and their little brother are trying to make some.

This type of trance is not really all that much different, it's just that the production standards have gone up highly-
Therefore it sounds different
The style is esentially the same thing

To say that psy is essentially the same as years ago shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

but it doesn't matter - my trance rocks and yours sucks
hahahahahaha

Both your and JayKay's trance rocks. You sift through the shit and find the gems. And we all love it.

yeah, I know....but this is just so much fun......
anyway-
I don't get out much,

so I have to do most of my interaction online

Firstly, I would never dance with someone that made the insane mistake of calling me a complete idiot. Or I WOULD be that, wouldn't I?

Secondly, the moment you have jumped on a plane and experienced more genres, subcultures, and Dance Scenes on a world scale (because guess what- it is quite PAINfully obvious to anyone that can spot an imbecile comment that you HAVE NOT)-- well the moment you have, I'm sure we will all notice from your posts then.

Thirdly, to your comment of "...stop making fools of yourselves on internet forums and realise that you are fighting for a lost cause" -- well JayKay,
I'm proud to announce that I Do Not fight for causes --(Fighting for Causes is reserved for hippies, politicians, and scared promoters).
I am simply compelled by some innate instinct to
fight asswipes, dickheads, and small-minded engineering promoter/musician-wannabes.

Lastly, I'd watch my sentence structure and clarity of thought the next time I even think of calling someone an idiot if I were you...

I know where you live you know

Maybe you should try that with the bag over your head

can you reccomend a quality bag for this type of exercize?

why dont all of you just shut the fuck up.

u like your music, he likes his music,. thats pretty simple now isnt it kids

jaykay can play in the sandpit and panorama can play on the jungle gym and tomorrow you can swap. sound fair kids?

This one is pretty cool:
http://www.upfm.dj/gallery/displayimage.php?album=63&pos=50

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come on now Edith, it's all in good fun
besides..... the sandpit has a bunch of broken glass in it and the fucking jungle gym is all rusty...
if you don't like it- don't read it

Trance sucks.

Its all about tearout breaks (appearently)