Drinking and NZ

Okay, so I'm at risk here of being called an miserable old cunt or something, but it's something that's been on my mind for a few years now and wanted to get other people's thoughts on it. How long has NZ been like this? When was the last time you could walk down the main bar precinct in your hood and not be met by seemingly thousands of people spewing into the gutter or unable to stand and yelling abuse at anything that moves? When did we become 1600's merchant Carribbean sailors?

I had a great night on Saturday. Went to a gig where there seemed to be like-minded people, drunk, but not paralytically so. That finished at 3am, so was then forced to go somewhere else for a final drink. The only places open at that stage around here are the bars on Courtenay Place. My God, talk about a major shift in class. Exactly what I described above, people yelling and anyone, girls with their skirts up over their hips as they were too drunk to notce, on more than one occasion I had to step in the way of a guy getting mouthy to the girl I was with when she wouldn't acknowledge their 'advances' (incoherent yelling). Quite honestly it was disgusting and I was ashamed to live in the same country as them.

Is it just me, or have things got worse? When I was early 20's and going out in NZ I remember it being pretty drunken, but all good fun. It seems that these days people have removed the funness factor out of it all and concentrated mainly on the drunken.

its just you

the horrors of drunks and their behaviour on the street date back to the advent of the 6 o'clock swill at least probably longer

there was a period (prob when you're talking about) when some inner city Auckland streets were quite mellow, K Rd around 2000 for example (pills + clubbers) but over the past 5+ years the K (as an example) has reverted back much more towards its traditional form of bad behaviour, loads of really drunk drunks

As above; lollies + PLUR = safe and fun ^_^

tbh K Rd still feels pretty safe imo; only the mildest underpinning threat of stabbing ^_^

I do think it has got worse in recent times, but for a combination of reasons:

1: aforementioned lack of good pills (anecdotes from knowledgeable friends indicate police haven't seized ANY actual MDMA in 6-9months).
2: Replacement of above with BZP and other such shit leading to more aggressive drunks
3: We *are* getting old and therefore more crotchety at these young kids on our damn lawns


TtheHF, the only time you're on K-Rd at peak times is when you're fucking legless yourself, so not the best judge
Biggest menace on K-Rd these days is fucking paralytic ethnics visiting the many low quality, largely gang-owned venues that suck the life out of the street.

"ethnics" ????

point 2 has a lot of merit - plus the rise of P - both have added to the not so nice aspects of life on the streets at certain hours - and not confined to nightspot locales

throw in hard economic times and you have people seeking to hide from reality via the booze (not good) and the stress/anger.dismay of trying to cope as prices continue to rise and wages don't manifesting itself when pissed

Lack of legalised marijuana is the cause for more drunks.

It's a lot more unfun with the way people behave.. I get scared when I do (very rarely) walk up Queen Street late .. but since I grew up in the hood I know how to hide anything with a a fuck off dont fuck with me look. which works.. But yeah there is a more obvious gap these days of the haves/have nots.. and people drinking or taking shit and not handling it good. Plus P .. I hate that drug it everything combined just makes people so ugly

People don't actually know how to have fun these days without getting off their face too. I feel sorry for them.

It's not just in town/clubs .. people having their lame ass parties at home and getting out of control seems to be getting worse too...

OK, I'll say it, drunk as fuck Islanders. Without a doubt they are the biggest trouble makers on K-Rd.

This is a fact. Islanders (apart from me) can't handle their alcohol and they probably drink top shelf shit which islanders CANNOT handle.

I prefer the extended version to ethnics, less negative stereotype

Oh yeah, I feel perfectly safe when walking around in that. I mean, no one in that state is going to have a chance against me I wouldn't think. These fools can barely stand. I just don't understand how it got to how it is now. Why do youngins feel the need to drink to that point? They treat it as some sort of badge of honour ffs. It makes going out a bore, and at the end of the night I get home and wonder why I bothered. In certain areas anyway. Some other areas (Cuba St here for instance) is fine. Thinking about it, it is a different class of people that frequent these areas.

Re. 6 oclock closing - yeah it was bad, but in no way was it as bad as this has got now imo.

It probably is just as bad now, it's just the levels of what people do has shifted. Once it was considered very poor taste to call someone a "bugger" at the top of your voice, now it's the type of abuse that could make a pirate blush.

Also, I think its got a lot to do with kids drinking energy/sugerhigh/alcopops. Not only do they get real drunk for cheaps, but they also have all the "get out the back" taurine/gurana/caffeine/sugar energy keeping them drinking longer, bigger comedown, cracky, and acting like five year olds at a kindy party after having too much coke.

Lastly, there is a shit load of fuckheads just looking to cause trouble. More people about, more people to pick on bla bla...

Shit, even just drinking Woodstocks or Codys, *packed* with both sugar and caffeine on top of the booze.

6 o'clock was bad in a different way, more crowds of men spilling onto streets urinating and vomiting then driving home

but imo we're still not climbed the depths of disorder I witnessed as a learner drinker in the 80s, we're sure headed there but our drinking culture is much more segregated as in less pubs more small bars and less to no overt gang control (very generally speaking - smaller communities and some suburbs I'm sure its not changed too much)

you know its a bad night when neither the police nor bouncers will support you after grabbing your 'stolen' jug back from the head of the local mob rather they leave you to it

you know its a real bad night when 3 of your friends get stabbed by gang affiliates trying to impress the patched members

you know its a crazy night when the gang take on the police in the car park and you have to walk though both "gangs" to get home and the bouncers are kicking you out

you know your place when a mate whose trying to assist the girl whose been punched to the ground and is now being pulled out of the bar by her hair by her partner gets the beat down by the bouncers cause "you don't interfere in a domestic" and the police agree

all happened in 'nice' pubs I used to frequent...

Simpler times bob d. Simpler times.

Bob, that sounds like every Magog party Ive ever been to.

Kids these days.

LK you are always the exception - I cannot say I've ever been to a black metal party... death metal yep but they were quiet as corpses

Ha! Black metal parties are pretty lame over here. Dudes are more concerned with looking scary than acting scary. Plus most black metal fans in NZ are 14 yo anemic Cradle of Filth fans who dont really know shit about fuck.
They gigs I used to play in the 90's, mostly gang parties - BP"s, Magogs, even a couple of shroomballs, were fucking INSANE.
We played a skinner gig in Bellblock (naki) once, and everything got burned to the ground. Even the stage was on fire while we were playing.
Even the BP's from Waitara got scared and left pretty quick. I honestly didnt think we were gonna leave with our gear. Ha, we got paid!! The levels of violence were quite extraordinary. Worse than a Motorhead show!

Played a show at the Jolly Farmer in Drury (of all places), the whole place got torn to shreds. Tables were actually flying out the window past the drum riser. The owner told us afterwards it was the most money he had ever made off the bar, but he said we were never allowed back....ever.

oh the naki... I went to a mushroom ball one year, dear god what was I thinking LOL

Number of factors. My thoughts are:

1) Not as much chilled out places to drink and have fun in auckland city in the afternoons (other than the rather upmarket viaduct). This leads to most people drinking heavily then going to town heavily smashed. I'm sure everyone wouldnt get as smashed if they were to drink in town only. Australia is like this (known to have drinks in the afternoon early evening in town and continue into the night.

its too expensive to drink for prolonged periods in any bar these days

saying that there is NO shortage of fantastic bars in this city that SCREAM for daytime seasons

I wish I lived across the road from the northcote tavern... for example

Yeah.

Need $5-8 jugs, $5 wines etc like they do in Goldie, Aus.

$5 jugs

thats it I'm outta here

dons KKK uniform to ease immigration issues

Need to bear in mind that the booze prices in Aussie bars are heavily subsidised by the pokie industry.

Liqour stores in aus a VERY expensive. Beer/spirits are crazy. Maybe thats why people drink in town (not get smashed as at home first like NZ).

If there was very little difference in price between liqour stores and bars/clubs, I would definitly drink in town more.

B: Wine is CRAZY cheap in aus ($2 bottles of cheap wine etc).

STICKY FILTH!!!

:rock on:

$5 jugs.. where the fuck do you find those? I want names and addresses! The Bars I've been to are nowhere near that cheap? its like $8-9 for a pint.

and shit loads of people buy from the wholesaler, why they even have drive through wholesalers. Its not that wholesalers are expensive... its that alcohol as a whole is heavily taxed, meaning its all expensive.

Insanity do you know where these $5 jugs are???

Fuck bars - RSL's are where it's at in Australia.

Miss the RSL so bad

In the netherlands, they have $3 six packs on Hoegaarden and, you know, coffee shops.
Unfortunately, they fail miserably at making actual coffee.

The Netherlands is a bit far out of my normal friday night range I'm afraid.

Its also possibly becuase theres more people hanging on the streets now cos thats where they go to smoke .....and then catch other people lookin at them funny. etc

I think the point about different types of alcohol with more sugar etc is good too, Ive long been aware there are certain types of alcohol I have to avoid. Every different type of booze gives me a different type of "drunk"

Not that I really drink much ..and I havent been on that shithole K Road after midnight for 5 years... but yeah

K'rd has definitely taken for a worse in the last few years... the fucked up shit I saw when I lived up there was beyond the pale

I havent been to K Rd to party for years...Ive just recently started getting back into hitting the clubs and the clubs havent changed its just the vibe outside the clubs thats not good. What Im finding hard to find is clubs for me and my girls to go to with just fun dance music ... like Manchu kinda mixes ... :/

I havent been to K Rd to party for years...Ive just recently started getting back into hitting the clubs and the clubs havent changed its just the vibe outside the clubs thats not good. What Im finding hard to find is clubs for me and my girls to go to with just fun dance music ... like Manchu kinda mixes ... :/

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I want to know where the fuck these 18-20 year olds get the money to be getting super crunk one bar price drinks!?!? I mean seriously, not unheard of to pay $9+ per bottle of beer year, how do they all afford it???

They don't pay rent / power or internet bills cause they live at home with their parents.

That and pre-drink themselves stupid before they head out.

Oh no that doesn't happen over here anyway.. $5 jugs everywhere dont you know!

Easy to forget that yeah, lots of 18-20 year olds are working and have minimal outgoings. Add in pre-drinks, and you're away.


Not to mention that 18-20 year olds are only a small part of the group we're talking about.

More clubs need to over nice smoking areas..so many people inclung myself, smoke like trains when drinking...I hate standing on the sidewalk to smoke its so unclassy.

smoking in general is unclassy

yup indeed but Ive smoked while drinking since I was 16... and its just habit now..But I dont smoke unsocially if that makes sense...

While smoking is fucking disgusting, and made worst by people hanging outside bars like fucking bums, it in no way is worse than the thousands that drink themselves into comas every damn weekend.

People who drink themselves into comae every weekend: the benchmark for moral comparison since.... wait, what?

I smoked while drinking, well I smoked all the time since I was 14/15 and it was quite a habit for about 12 years. And then 4 years ago I stopped.

Point is, if you want to stop, you can, it doesn't matter how long you've been doing it.


By the way, it's a pet peeve of mine when people say: "Oh I'm not really a smoker, I'm just a social smoker." As the wise man of the street, Bubbles once said: "You equivocating like a motherfucker!"

You either smoke or you don't. There is no inbetween.

RAWR YOU SMOKERS!

Thats all good and dandy...but I do only smoke when I drink.......Though at the end of the day smoking is a waste of time....it doesnt get me high, makes my hair stinky and gross...but I just do it while drinking and usually having a gossip sesh. Hrmmmm I might think abot getting a electronic ciggie I just like the action of smoking..not the icky bits.

That's fine... but you have to be honest with yourself and admit that you are a smoker. Saying that you are "only a social smoker" is a means by which you justify it to yourself because you feel better that at least you're not a smoker, when in fact you are. The timing of when you do it is irrelevant.

Sorry, I'm not trying to rag on ya QT, I just see it all the time and it peeves/amuses me. You can be a smoker if you enjoy it, that's totally fine - it's completely up to you, you just have to be honest about it with yourself.

I remember when I smoked, there was nothing finer than a beer and a ciggy in combination (except maybe a post sesh ciggy ) so I totally get the appeal and I understand why it's so hard for people to let it go, even when they want to quit. Peeps just need to admit that if they still smoke when they drink, then they're still a smoker who just smokes slightly less than when they used to smoke all the time.

Anyways...

Get some spaceman sticks and then you can get high off the sugar rush

I wont call myself a smoker. I completely understand what youre saying...but say if I decide not to drink or party for 6 months I wont smoke for 6 months...Arent smokers the hardcore addicted to nicotine peeps who go out in the rain to get their fix...I really do think there is a line as I can take it or leave it, smokers cant.

Well... If you've gone 6 months without smoking then that's pretty good. There are degrees of addiction, some people are o bviously more addicted than others and some people have less self control than others but my belief is that if at the end of the day, you're putting a cigarette in your mouth and you smoke it, you're a smoker.

Like I said, I don't want to rag on you QT, I hope I'm not coming across like that. If you believe that you aren't an addicted smoker and you prove that to yourself by not smoking when you drink because you don't get that addictive urge then that's cool. At the end of the day it's your life to live as you wish.

Cool You're right ... not sure why Im being defensive about it...must be denial.

A ciggie and a redbull after a surf is sheer bliss for me. After a munch too.

Y U NOOOO like water from the skies QT?

nothing better than a ciggie in the rain... except maybe skies raining ciggies

#looksupholdsouthandsandhope

god I miss smoking but its so yukky Its weird to crave something you think is disgusting.

I'm not a smoker, i'm only a social smoker.

I miss smoking when I watch Mad Men.


Davil: *shakes fist*