Don Brash , the acceptable face of NZ racism

Bill English was just too nice. If you wanna make it as a conservative leader you have to have balls. Just like Maggy Thatcher the milk snatcher.

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Don Brash is soulless and doesn't know want it means to be a nzer .Who is he to make the comments that he has , He will turn NZ in to another ozzie . we must protect and pereserve our ethicity !

Well a good proportion of people agree with his stance and if you two are anything to go by of the people who dont then the rest have completely the wrong end of the stick.

How specifically has what brash said going to kill our ethnicity or turn us into aussie. I think the path we are on would turn us into aussie with resentment.

We will never be as bad as Aussi who are institutionally racist. Bob just because people agree with what Brash has said it doesn't make it right. It may make some sense, especially given that he has painted only half a picture but he is a racist for only having a go at Maori but not islanders.
He has been selctive in who he attacked and that makes him New Zeaslands most popular racist.

Don Brash is the Rip Van Winkle of New Zealand race relations. He fell asleep in the 1950's when Maori lived out of sight and out of mind from the straight, white, Anglo-Saxon presbyterians who ran the place and he woke up in the 21st century, and felt a threatened angry old man.

It is funny how he doesn't hate Asians, but then he managed to marry himself one so they are obviously better citizens than the cheeky natives.

DESPITE the fact Maori are 12% of the population, live an average 10 years less than Europeans and are generally much less healthy, they only get 11% of all health funding. This is "special treatment."

DESPITE the fact that Treaty of Waitangi settlements since 1979 have only cost less than 0.05% of Government expenditure, this is to much - to much to put right 150 years of injustice????????

DESPITE the fact that much Maori poverty is a DIRECT result of the right wing slash and burn economics advocated by Don Brash's fascist gnomes in treasury, he won't support special help for his victims.

DESPITE the fact there are around 11,000 doctors in New Zealand, of which less than 200 are Maori, helping to redress this with special entry schemes to medical is somehow racist.

Its typical politics of the right - the politics of assiduously cultivating the big lie then playing on fear, fear of the criminal brown man, white middle class fear of slipping down the social scale, fear of the strange and different. Its the politics of envy and hate - something the right pretends to abhor but actually preys on all the time. Envy that someone might be getting something you can't, hate caused by that jealousy and envy.

ANYONE who agrees with Brash, in the face of facts, is either ignorant, stupid or racist, or just possibly all three. The fact that that seems to include about 40-50% of my fellow New Zealanders is shocking - but at least 50-60% don't, wwhich given the sensationalist, hysterical white dominated media in this country is little short of a triumph of common sense.

Oh yes, and this is jolly funny...

http://ihavethingsinmyhead.blogspot.com/

FB do you think this issue should have been left in the closet and left to simmer?

I think its great its finally been brougt into the open and we will see what statements that brash made turn out to be right and what turns out to be wrong. Those people who are screaming racist from the sidelines seem to want to bury this discussion under retoric. Well i think if we dont have this discussion now then there is going to be a building of resentment to the point where facts dont matter and we end up like the aussies.

The maori guy poaching the wood pidgeons would be an example of the treaty meaning different things to different people. No obviously most of NZ believe that the treaty doesnt give someone the right to hunt protected animals. Theres something that should be tidied up with the leadership by the maori. I think specifying what exactly peoples rights under the treaty are rather than saying "with regard for the treaty" which could mean anything. Whats wrong with confronting issues like this?

styln... move along from the pi issue, weve been through it before the treaty issue means that maori treatment is the main issue and just because brash didnt mention PIs and every other small issue in the entire universe doesnt mean he isnt allowed to talk about maoris.... time to move on son.

So finally, FB do you not think this is an issue worthy of being discussed in the media would you rather we all pretended everything was ok while resentment grew.

Bob why should I move on from mthe PI issue. Brash has been selective with the information he has provided and also selective with who he has attacked. You obviously want to move on but i don't.

Bob perhaps you should have a read of this article. Brash cheekily tries to suggest the Bishops don't have a grasp of figures or history yet it's Brash that has delioberately with held statistical information.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3552102&thesection=news&thesubsection=general

Bob - this is not about threatened species, if so I would support him. This is about the fundamental issue of brash wanting to keep maori in their inferior position by removing the policies aimed at redressing the imbalance. On thats right, I forgot, its not racist because he didn't say it was.

Give me a bit of credit jah, of course there are going to be people who are racist who support this but the crux of the issue is not racist - unless of course you want to say that special legislation for maori rights is racism.

and again i think its an issue that needs to be brought up and it could have been done sooo much worse.

It really surprises me the people who are treating this as racism they are the people that i would have thought would be interested in resolving these issues that have been simmering below the surface for some time.

Name calling adds nothing.

And DESPITE all the evidence to the contray fish_boy wants to believe that letting people into tertiary study on the basis of race rather than acedemic merit will somehow hlep Maori to move forward. Would be very interesting to see the number of 'special entrance' students who end up dropping out and the resulting cost to the taxpayer (and student).

Those figures are a great example of how race-based policies just don't work.

And I'm pretty sure that providing a person with an opportunity to study their career of choice becuase they are maori, while denying a more capable student the same opportunity, is pertty much a textbook definition of racist.

yeah, man fully dr cole.. the fact that so few maori get in is because maori aren't as smart as white people... they have got to recognise the white poeple are smarter and that is why there are more white people getting into uni becoming doctors....

and you're right... its pointless letting in those stupid darkies, cause they are just gonna drop out anyways....

I think it casts a shadow over all maori students, people might not think they earnt their degree..

I think theres a case for maori being helped into the school but that help should be financial rather than academic, giving them a lower bar is like saying theres no way they can do it on thier own and will raise resentment in other people who are more qualified but are refused.

Education is an important aspect of the maori culture that needs to be looked at, it would be a shame for someone to work hard to get a qualifcation and then have people think that they didnt earn their degree trough hard work.

surely you mean giving poor people money.. cause giving maori money would be racist

and make sure the dont f**king smoke....dont want them croaking after all that education money has been invested...!!

For all those who disagree with Bob here, what would your solution be? Just to leave things as they are? You might keep the can of worms closed for a bit longer, but the problem isn't going to go away.

11% of funding above the funding which goes towards the entire NZ population.

By Don Brash's "facist gnomes" do you mean Roger Douglas et al from the 80's Labour Govt?

No, 11% of the total health vote red shoes.

Percy, the idea of a solution pre-supposes a problem. No one has provided any facts about suppposed favouritism to Maori. The "problem" exists in the heads of white New Zealanders who have been fed generalisations, vague accusations and half truths that constructively add up to a pack of lies carefully calculated to stoke envy, fear and racism.

Thats why the irresponsibilty of Brash is so breathtaking. He has played the hate card, not the race card. If he follows through on what he threatens, do people seriously think Maori will take it sitting down? So what do we want in this country? Assassinations? Armed rebellion? Do we really want to drive moderate Maori into the radical Maori sovereignty camp?

One other thing. I wonder at Brash's motivation. He is an old man in a desperate hurry for power. At 63 he has one shot at it. Right wing old men are normally bitter cadavers in waiting, with their best years only memories. I wonder, how much of New Zealand now, New Zealand tomorow, is Don Brash prepared to sacrifice to his twisted myth of the past he wants to drag us back to? After all, he won't be around to have to live with the consequences of his revisionist, out-of-touch agenda.

I don't get why people keep bringing up statistics (well actually I do, but lets pretend I don’t) statistics have nothing to do with it, Brash is talking about the word of the law not the statistical results of these laws.

If the word of the law makes little or no difference to the statistics anyway, then what the hell is the problem with correcting the word of the law so that it treats everyone equally regardless of their skin colour or ethnic group?

What about Maori scholarships ?? Why should a poor maori kid have any more right to a tax payer funded assistance than a poor white kid ?

No red shoes it is 11% of total funding. It's no wonder Brash wouldn't supply statistics.

Trapper Brash has made a big deal out of the race issue when it was supposed to be a treaty issue. Pacific Islanders get many of the same entitlements yet if normal NZers were actually aware how much money we're talking about then it wouldn't have made such an impact. Trapper you are for ever telling us to back things up with facts and figures. It's too bad Dr Brash can't do the same. He's obviously deliberately deceived NZ.

He did not deceive anyone.

The statistics that some of you are trying to bring into this issue is nothing but a strawman that you have created because you can't argue with Brash's actual point.

What he said was that Maori get additional entitlements to the rest of us and they do! How much these entitlements are actually used is completely irrelevant, they should not exist at all.

Trapper Pacific Islanders also get additional entitlements yet you didn't see Brash talking about them. Instead he chose to attack only Maori which makes him a racist.

Also Trapper by not quoting figures and statistics, Brash has led most of NZ to believe that it was a bigger problem than it really is. The total spend on health for Maori is less than their precentage of population. That isn't a big deal. NZ had got to see how much the entitlements really were they wouldn't be as worried. I suppose racists and rednecks don't care about statistics any way.

I see you ignored my previous post, which makes an interesting point.


So why the hell not styln?

Statistics do make a difference as they help every one identify how much the entitlements are which by the way aren't necessarily written into legislation. Maori die younger than the rest of NZ, have higher incidences of lung cancer and cancer and are typically a lot poorer although redneck Brash wants to ensure they stay that way.

From a health point of view it is a lot easier to target those that are in need via their race. Brash keeps championing entitlements being set on need rather than race but surprise surprise Dr Brash the two are one and the same.

Of course most of white middle NZ wants to see Maori stay down as they obviously have no social conscience. Brash has just targeted white NZ's dislike and resentment of the Treaty and settlements in general. Perhaps they need to ask that in the next poll. Do you resent Treaty settlements? A lot of NZers would say yes because it happened years ago.

heh i knew you were going to say that. The company i work for pays 2 full scholarships to samoan students. Its a private company and as such it can do with its money as it chooses. So my point remains there shouldnt be any lowerering of the standards required to enter med school, to do so is lowering the standard of the entrants, demeaning the students achievment and suggesting tha maori students are not intellegent or hard working enough to get in on thier own.

I fail to see how getting 390 in bursary helps you to be a good Dr. Surely you could be a good Dr and only score say 350. I know a guy whio was a few years older than me at school. I think he would be around 34 who got into med school with a bursary score in the low 300's which was the standard back then. A high score is obviously the way they limit entrants to med school now but does being a geek or nerd automatically ensure you'll be a good Dr. I would have to answer no.

What Maori scholarships? Name me one state funded Maori scholarship. If you mean the Ngai Tahu ones (which are the ones Brash was referring to) then they are funded by a private organisation (Ngai Tahu) for Maori. No government there.

Are you saying a private organisation doesn't have a right to spend its money to set up a scholarship for any ethnic group it wants?

You've been duped migsey, chalk up one more victim for National party propaganda.

put it this way:

imagine every different ethnic group is running a race. now if everyone except white people are being held back for ages so the white people are winning, do you think it's fair to just let go of the rest and say well now you aren't being held back? the white people will still be WAY out in front and everyone else will never catch up. that is why you must pick them up and place them back in line with the leaders.

does that make sense?

Styln: i think you are wrong - most middle nzers want one thing. Full and final settlement.

There nothing racist or even mean spirited about it.

I agree with you there Bob - that is what most New Zealanders want... Can't see it happening under Brash though... How can there be settlement if Maori see themselves as being unfairly treated?

Umm that's all good on paper but it doesn't seem to be working does it ? I'm all for providing help to those who need it but not based on race. Try explaining to a european kid from a poor background that he doesn't deserve a scholarship because we need to "close the gap" between Maori and Pakeha. That does 2 things :

1) Teaches Maori that they NEED our help to achieve on a level playing field and cultivates a culture of dependancy.

2) Helps to create more animosity among white NZ'rs who are being told that their needs are less important than Maori.

No there isn't Bob. Most NZers do want final settlement but a lot do resent it at the same time.

bob, you'll find that people bursary scores, have more to do with the SES than their "intellegence". And that bursday scores have little to do with how people do any university...

So if you're going on people bursary scores allowing people entrance into university it are basically using people SES to get them into uni.. and Maori / Pacific Is. have lower SES.. hence less get into uni...

Ok... Call me stupid... But what does SES mean?

Socio-economic status

You can't use "might is right" to impose a full and final settlement Bob, so how do you propose we go about doing it? Any different from now??

bob, how do you suggest getting more maori trained for things such as psychologist & doctors?

Its not might, its votes, its called democracy. I believe most people recognise that there is a legitimate greviance to settle and as such we need to work out something that is acceptable to both sides there is no other way to do it. I repeat, most people in NZ want the greviances settled and to be done with it and move on. The longer you hold things out of balance the worse the return is. That goes for settelments aswell as special help.

Neil: if a person cant motivate themselves enough to get through med school even with financial assistance from trusts or whatever then they dont deserve to be a doctor. So how do you motivate someone to be motivated? or said another way why should people be doctors if they dont want to be?

Bob, if you go to a crappy high school, have no books in your house, have shitty teachers, then yes you can motivate your self to do just as well as those fancy white kids, in their fancy white school, with their fancy teachers, books and computers.... but it is gonna be harder, their is gonna be a disadvantage... a disadvantage that needs to be corrected...

I completely agree with you schools need to be fixed. And education needs to be valued by all parts of society.

What about racism Bob? How are you gonna fix that?

Or does that not exist out there in the real world, and everyone's treated equally are they...

hahah phila im sure we could brainwash people if it werent for those pesky civil liberties laws.

Accept that people are always going to be misinformed or ignorant and do what you can to share information and understanding.

Yes, I agree with that too bob...

But what are we gonna do in the mean-time