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Does anyone else think these papers have gone downhill in the last few years? The EP seems to have the trashiest, most sensationalist headlines, crap no-content stories and more advertising than ever before... The international section (only 1 page now) is a joke, and the editorials sound like they are spouted by pauline hanson's evil twin...

Its a shame; but i guess its what happens: you get more readers if you go for the uneducated, rightwing rednecks.

Also their website looks like it was designed by a 2 year old, needs an update baadly...

Has anyone ever read the Herald-Sun in aussie? This is where the Dom/EP is heading. I only read the (somewhat better) Herald now Sad
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(That last sentence i mean the NZ herald of course)
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Never saw or heared of it..
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I actually like the Herald less than the DOm/EP.

But I hear what you're saying.. they're haeding ever more "Truth"-wards.

("truth" the scurrilous rag, not the moral concept)
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Its a trend will all news media over the last few years.

Even one network news is really 'dumbing it down'. Listen to the announcers sometime - its all heading to magazine style conversational reporting.
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The nz herald is the fore runner of all the crappy so called newspapers in nz!! I used to think the dominion was a reasonable paper but haven't read it in a while so could have gone downhill in the last few months. Is this an indication of society or just commercialism?? I think commercialism but when I see nike wearing mcdonalds eating kids maybe it is society???

What say you savages??

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After reading the article in the Sunday Star Times about that NZ cop talking about drugs on a website, that paper is now, in my opinion, in the same category as the truth

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a great topic. I agree that what constitutes public media discourse these days is degrading. I was thinking about some of the articles on Bill Clinton when he was here last week...the focus was on what he thought of NZ and - where he will shop. This consumer-obsessive focus in the media has got to be critiqued by groups of people now...corporations have far too much influence on what is produced..Another crude media habit is the way it promotes the cult of personality/priveledge -wanting to be 'seen' is an interesting phenomenon that seems to be a key motivation for people here - e.g. like institutions/commentators/artists/sportsMEN here are desperate for global recognition - instead of just enjoying the art that is created - the whole world *needs* to know how great this country is - its quite embarrassing...the media here really advances insecurities in people..
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I agree with tpl about the NZ herald being worse generally (from what I have seen of it anyway). The sunday star times has always been a tabloid basically, just in a different format and that article was just the latest example of it. I don't think our media is any worse than elsewhere, and certainly better than the US or UK.